
08/28/2007 06:44 AM
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GregV
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Dirt Wheels has again been very critical on the RZR in their latest shootout between the RZR and the Rhino Sport.
The comment that totally blew my hair back was on page 110 when they said:
"At top speed, the RZR hits it's rev limiter at 55mph while the Rhino will only reach 40mph. On long graded roads, this makes the Rhino painfully slow. To make both machines better we wish the Rhino had a ten-mile-an-hour higher top speed and the RZR had a five-mile-an-hour slower top speed."
They did mention that at top speed that they didn't think the RZR was that stable......But speed and acceleration are one of the MAJOR selling points on machines. For them to say that they would both be better if they were the same is insane.
That's like saying that the Scrambler 500 would be better if it were 15mph faster and the Renegade 800 would be better if was 10mph slower....Of course the Scrambler would look better if the advantage was taken away from the Renegade.
Sometimes I really don't follow Dirt Wheel's logic....I have been a faithfull subscriber for 6 years now too.
Yamaha will more than likely come out with a bigger engine to stay competitive. That's what competition brings......improvements.....or they go out of buisness.
As far as the Mags go......Dirt Wheels are getting a lot of strong competition their selves. Honestly I thing that QUAD Magazine is much better and has the best photos in the ATV magazine market.
My wife isn't very keen on the whole centerfold thing though. ha ha
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2002 Yamaha Raptor 719 Stroker 1st. build up was a Trinity Racing 686 with the Pro-Port. Then I switched the WEB CAM to a HOT CAM STAGE 2 - HIGHLY RECOMMENDED. Head Work with new Valves & Springs by Craycraft Racing - Bob is Awesome to work with!! Hot Rods 719cc Stroker - Hot CAM's Stroker CAM. (The rest is a result of a lot of blood & sweat) Black L.E. plastic. 2008 Polaris RZR (TOTALLY FREEKIN ROCKS) Warn 3000 lb. Winch
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08/28/2007 09:12 AM
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TLC
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I gave up on Dirtwheels years ago when they had 350 Rancher vs a 350 Wolverine. They admitted the Wolverine was quicker,fast,lighter,had better brakes and had more suspension travel but those little details were not enough to out do the Rancher!
They did mention that at top speed that they didn't think the RZR was that stable
Leave that one up to the buyer, most people do not ride around from point A to Point B at WOT 100%.
A fast bike has the option of going slow, but a slow bike has no other option.
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08/29/2007 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by: GregV
(DirtWheels article said
"..To make both machines better we wish the Rhino had a ten-mile-an-hour higher top speed and the RZR had a five-mile-an-hour slower top speed."
Sometimes you've got to wonder if these guys just 'say' things like this to jump start more discussions and get their name bandied about; as they sure aren't proofreading this stuff if they don't (I intentionally left out the 'idiot' factor; as you can't believe that somebody would say something like this on purpose).
GregV):
"...They did mention that at top speed that they didn't think the RZR was that stable..."
I have intentionally slowed our Rzr down many times since '03 after a few pucker moments involving overconfidence (bone stock machine save the CDI).
Our out of the crate Rzr causes me to slow down at times simply for the fact that at speeds where the Rhino seemed uncomfortable?...the Rzr does not (which "I" believe ought to scare me...)
"...For them to say that they would both be better if they were the same is insane..."
Agreed.
(GregV):
"...Yamaha will more than likely come out with a bigger engine to stay competitive. That's what competition brings......improvements.....or they go out of buisness..."
They'll do so and I believe Polaris is (at least partly) banking on the fact that nobody has followed them into the much lower center of gravity 50" market to date. The fact is...they got beat up at the largest maintained system out there by the holier-than-thou motorcyclists and every one of the red-headed-step-child atv clubs fighting over 60" trail allowancess...so why in the heck would they build a 'me too' banned (in certain places) rig like everybody else?
They don't have a stand-up community out here to suport reasonable trail widths or even common sense on any issue involving the sport itself...so they're stuck building whatever they may throw against the wall and sticks in the UTV market...which this machine obviously did for good reason.
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08/29/2007 03:14 PM
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GregV
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People spend unbelievable amounts of money on their Rhino's to make them go faster....I'll bet they all wish they had the power of the RZR.
My wife had ours up on two wheels one time and scarred the crap out of our Daughter.
Me, I've NEVER had it come up on me and I do a lot of aggressive driving. You just have to respect it in the turns.
I am very happy with the width, the shocks, the tires ( the rims need swapped out)......heck, I've even gotten used to the gas pedal.
I don't think I would be happy at all if I spent 10G's on a machine that couldn't climb a little sand hill (Silver Lake) !!
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2002 Yamaha Raptor 719 Stroker 1st. build up was a Trinity Racing 686 with the Pro-Port. Then I switched the WEB CAM to a HOT CAM STAGE 2 - HIGHLY RECOMMENDED. Head Work with new Valves & Springs by Craycraft Racing - Bob is Awesome to work with!! Hot Rods 719cc Stroker - Hot CAM's Stroker CAM. (The rest is a result of a lot of blood & sweat) Black L.E. plastic. 2008 Polaris RZR (TOTALLY FREEKIN ROCKS) Warn 3000 lb. Winch
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08/29/2007 03:17 PM
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GregV
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Maybe Polaris should spend more advertising money with Dirt Wheels........then maybe they will catch a break.
You are right though about Polaris not being respected for a long time!!
I think they are headed in the right direction now with theur latest releases. Hopefully they will change a few minds !!
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2002 Yamaha Raptor 719 Stroker 1st. build up was a Trinity Racing 686 with the Pro-Port. Then I switched the WEB CAM to a HOT CAM STAGE 2 - HIGHLY RECOMMENDED. Head Work with new Valves & Springs by Craycraft Racing - Bob is Awesome to work with!! Hot Rods 719cc Stroker - Hot CAM's Stroker CAM. (The rest is a result of a lot of blood & sweat) Black L.E. plastic. 2008 Polaris RZR (TOTALLY FREEKIN ROCKS) Warn 3000 lb. Winch
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08/29/2007 03:28 PM
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I've never had it come up on my either (as you say, just simply respect a 50" rig in the turns) and have faith in Polaris also with this new engineering.
Not many Rhino owners out there chiming in here....hey guys, I'm just about as sick as you are that we spent all that money in the aftermarket since '03 also!
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Forming a "Long Range Financial Subcommittee" in MI.: Take two inexplicably expired term motorcycle reps. still serving on the board (one names yet another motorcycle rep) Add 1 full-size and but 1 atv rep. Arrogantly claim that the entire process should be finished in 4 conference calls with absolutely no public involvement or any meeting minutes recorded. Result? No complaint whatsoever from sheep-like atv clubs with literally tens of millions in play.
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08/29/2007 04:10 PM
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HONDA CRUSHER 93
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there might not be many rhino owners chiming in here because this is a polaris ranger and razr thread
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08/29/2007 04:15 PM
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HONDA CRUSHER 93
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Originally posted by: GregV
Yamaha will more than likely come out with a bigger engine to stay competitive.
yamaha will probly come out with a 700 rhino, but they more than likely won't go any bigger because they just lost a multimillion-dollar case on the rhino. also they were probly critical on the rzr because polaris has had a lot of reliability issues. DIRTWHEELS IS NUMBER 1 if you don't like them then *good for* you.
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08/29/2007 05:59 PM
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Scrambler00
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well theres a die hard dirt wheels fan, the RZR is supposed to by a fun and fast side by side while the rhino is more of a work horse. and personally alot of people who own and take care of their polaris's dont have any reliability problems. and ya guys i think quad mag is getting to be better, the dirtwheels is kinda plain and old now lol
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08/29/2007 09:17 PM
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Thanks for breaking the dumbfounded silence on that one...
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Forming a "Long Range Financial Subcommittee" in MI.: Take two inexplicably expired term motorcycle reps. still serving on the board (one names yet another motorcycle rep) Add 1 full-size and but 1 atv rep. Arrogantly claim that the entire process should be finished in 4 conference calls with absolutely no public involvement or any meeting minutes recorded. Result? No complaint whatsoever from sheep-like atv clubs with literally tens of millions in play.
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08/30/2007 12:12 AM
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CaptnKidd
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Hey BB
Did you know this was a Ranger-RZR thread?
Oh yea and that no Rhino owner would read anything in this area, (it would make them crazy you know)
All in Jest my friends, all in jest.....
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08/30/2007 12:08 PM
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(chuckle)  ...you're right; it's all in jest.  (if we didn't laugh about it....)
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Forming a "Long Range Financial Subcommittee" in MI.: Take two inexplicably expired term motorcycle reps. still serving on the board (one names yet another motorcycle rep) Add 1 full-size and but 1 atv rep. Arrogantly claim that the entire process should be finished in 4 conference calls with absolutely no public involvement or any meeting minutes recorded. Result? No complaint whatsoever from sheep-like atv clubs with literally tens of millions in play.
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08/31/2007 12:02 AM
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travelor
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I think the rzr handles great at top speed. 72 mph and one hand comfortably. On atv 72 gets a little fast.
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08/31/2007 12:14 AM
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CaptnKidd
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72 mph....Holy Mother of...........
What in that thing?
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08/31/2007 02:36 AM
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tmm2good
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I read that review because I really like the looks of the RZR, I can't believe Dirt Wheels almost had to say a POLARIS was better than a Yamaha. They were really stretching to find better things in the Rhino.
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08/31/2007 07:47 AM
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garyc660R
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Originally posted by: CaptnKidd
72 mph....Holy Mother of...........
What in that thing?
If true, a man that wants to die.
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09/01/2007 12:41 AM
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travelor
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I don't think it is fast at all compared to the outlander . This is speedometer speed so is probably less. Remove spacer and reprogram ecu and hit 7000 rpm, new rev limitor and you will be over 70 on speedometer. Wanting a turbo and higher gearing.
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09/05/2007 08:59 AM
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Nightclerk
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travelor you say 72 mph! Has this been tried & proven if so just exactly how is it done, sure would like to try that out. I got 59.20 mph on mine at a dragstrip with 27" 589's & I weigh 300 lbs. I was hitting the rev limitor at the 1,100 to 1,200 ft mark & it slowed a little so I figure it was a bit over 60 mph top speed.
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09/05/2007 09:11 AM
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Originally posted by: Nightclerk"..I got 59.20 mph on mine at a dragstrip with 27" 589's..."
I'm not sure that the Rzr speedo actually compensates for different diameter tire sizes...yet I may be mistaken on this.
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Forming a "Long Range Financial Subcommittee" in MI.: Take two inexplicably expired term motorcycle reps. still serving on the board (one names yet another motorcycle rep) Add 1 full-size and but 1 atv rep. Arrogantly claim that the entire process should be finished in 4 conference calls with absolutely no public involvement or any meeting minutes recorded. Result? No complaint whatsoever from sheep-like atv clubs with literally tens of millions in play.
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09/05/2007 04:20 PM
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Nightclerk
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BB that 59.20 was the dragstrip measurement they let us run the track & that was the speed printed out on the ET time slip. We ran e few passes & the speedo was showing nearly the same speed.
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09/05/2007 04:41 PM
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Hey, you can't beat that for confirmation and thanks for taking the time to set me striaght on this.
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Forming a "Long Range Financial Subcommittee" in MI.: Take two inexplicably expired term motorcycle reps. still serving on the board (one names yet another motorcycle rep) Add 1 full-size and but 1 atv rep. Arrogantly claim that the entire process should be finished in 4 conference calls with absolutely no public involvement or any meeting minutes recorded. Result? No complaint whatsoever from sheep-like atv clubs with literally tens of millions in play.
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