Cannondale's listed dry weight is 375 lbs, Yamaha YFZ450 is 350 lbs, where does the extra weight come from?
Is the 'dales aluminum frame that much heavier?
Thanks,

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'01 Service Honda CR500AF
'88 Banshee, too many rebuilds to count.
Stomping grounds: Glamis, Dumont, Pismo

The frames, axles and swingarms are stronger then the YFZ. This takes more material. EFI has more internal things so more weight for that also. The YFZ weight is exaggerated by Yamaha for advertiseing.. It does use aluminum upper A arms and will break in mx use. The Moto is the only true race ready quad ever built to this day, sorry Suzuki. Slap on some numbers and go race in the pro class.

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Dune Quads

ATKannondale Moto 450 Falicon'd by DAB Racing

Athena 434Z by DAB Racing

Edited: 04/21/2007 at 11:54 PM by Sandgod

Any idea about comparison of the frames weight as a roller? remove the motor, EFI, exaust from the 'dale, and motor exaust from the yamaha, how much wieght differance and which is lighter?

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'01 Service Honda CR500AF
'88 Banshee, too many rebuilds to count.
Stomping grounds: Glamis, Dumont, Pismo

The bro is shipping a fully gusseted YFZ frame w/ JRD subframe this week. I am shipping a Dale frame w subframe. We have to weigh them for shipping quotes. The JRD sub is chromemoly I believe.. On my scale the Dale frame and sub came to like 42lbs. I need to get it on the scale a little better I think..

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Dune Quads

ATKannondale Moto 450 Falicon'd by DAB Racing

Athena 434Z by DAB Racing

Edited: 04/22/2007 at 12:25 AM by Sandgod

Have you had the chance to weigh the YFZ?

My reasons for asking is that I have it in my mind to put a CR500 motor in a 'dale frame or possibly build a cromealloy frame from scratch.
I have heard stories though that bike motors will crack frames.

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'01 Service Honda CR500AF
'88 Banshee, too many rebuilds to count.
Stomping grounds: Glamis, Dumont, Pismo

The Dale frame w/ engine crade is 40lbs and another 5 for the subframe. The JRD gussetted YFZ frame is 42lbs. The JRD subframe was over 10lbs but it's chromly.

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Dune Quads

ATKannondale Moto 450 Falicon'd by DAB Racing

Athena 434Z by DAB Racing

Thanks for the info, that is what I was looking for

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'01 Service Honda CR500AF
'88 Banshee, too many rebuilds to count.
Stomping grounds: Glamis, Dumont, Pismo

I'm not sure how heavy the gussets were on the YFZ but at any rate it is 2lbs heavier then the Dale .

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Dune Quads

ATKannondale Moto 450 Falicon'd by DAB Racing

Athena 434Z by DAB Racing

I think also the dale motor is 89lbs were YFZ is 70lbs I think?

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Cannon Speed

A YFZ motor is around 67, but I need to double check that. A Dale motor is 72, but I need to double check that also..

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Dune Quads

ATKannondale Moto 450 Falicon'd by DAB Racing

Athena 434Z by DAB Racing

The engine weights above are correct.

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Dune Quads

ATKannondale Moto 450 Falicon'd by DAB Racing

Athena 434Z by DAB Racing

I guess thats with no starter on both motors?

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Cannon Speed

Actually the Dales has the starter and the YFZ doesn't.. I forgot to mention that..

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Dune Quads

ATKannondale Moto 450 Falicon'd by DAB Racing

Athena 434Z by DAB Racing

--FYI-- They just came out with a battery for Electric start quads that saves 4 pounds. Its a new high power lithium battery. I just bought one and it is the weirdest thing... It feels empty but starts the motor no problem. It's made by a company called Wicked Batteries. (info@wickedbatteries.com)

Very interesting news!
What's the pricing and availability of the new battery?
Life expectancy? Any issues with stock charging systems?

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NotSoYoungAnymore
Keep the rubber side DOWN
Black Widow 450 Cannibal

The only drawback that I could see was the price,($399) although price per pound it looks like the cheapest way to cut weight on a machine.

Lead time was 3-4 weeks.

No problems with the stock charging system, and the life expentancy is very good as long as the battery is not left below 8V for extended periods of time.

It looks like the web site is still under development, but if you send them and email they are quick to respond.

Ow! That's steep!
I think after the lithium battery is out for awhile, the price should come down.
Right now they are the only game, so they can get the price.
Thanks for the info.

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NotSoYoungAnymore
Keep the rubber side DOWN
Black Widow 450 Cannibal

Props suck. To bad I can do nothing about it.

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Close the US borders!

I think the price should come down also,..

What does "Props suck" mean, I am new to chat room lingo,..

I didn't get that either

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NotSoYoungAnymore
Keep the rubber side DOWN
Black Widow 450 Cannibal