i just bought a sandstorm which is made by american freedom. it is same as the 17cb. has anyone who has this trailer had a problem with bunk ladder not fitting between the bottom fold out beds. the ladder i got is 12" wide but the space between the beds is only 10". if anyone has had this what did you do to fix it.

Does American Freedom have a web site??? Can't find one............

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Southern California Deserts and Mountains....

Desert: 450R, 400EX
Technical Trail: Rancher 420 and 350 4X4's
Kids: Two 250EX's and TRX90
Dual-Sport Bikes: KLX250S and XT225

Past rides: 300EX, 2wd Rancher 350, Recon, TRX90, Z400, LT160, LT80, Warrior, Blaster, CRF230F

I don't know of any american freedom website. The only web site that I know of that you can see the trailors is usabankrepos.com

Hello Funrdad I have a 21 ft. fcb model from American Freedom trailers. I have the same problem with the ladder. Other than that I am really happy with the trailer. Doug who runs the manufacturing end of the company in Riverside is a class act. I have had a few minor problems,and he has is really quick to fix it. There are a few of us on this forum which have purchased this rig. I looked for a long time before choosing american Freedom. The price was right and as far a construction they are built the same as all the competators. I toured the weekend warrior plant and the Thor plant , You are paying for the name. American Freedom has only been makin trailers for 2 years now so not alot of people have heard about them.Usabankrepos is the sole dealership that Doug uses, he and the owner of usabank repos are partners in the business. Like I said its a great trailer for the price sales them cheaper because they have very little overhead like the big manufactuers have.


American Freedom 21ft FCB
Chevy 2500 4 x 4 HD
440 ex
450 ex
500 predator
TTR 90
" shut up and ride it "

I LOVE MY AF! I have the 17cb with, at first, no ladder issues. The configuration I bought was the two gaucho beds/couches, one on each side. The ladder fit perfectly between the two beds when they were both open. However, I have since "upgraded" to the dinette set on one side. The dinette set sticks out farther from the wall than the regular bed, so that the gap between the two lower bunks when both are open is about 6". Usually it's only two of us so either we both sleep downstairs or one up/one down and we don't fold out one side bed.

I agree with Blown, Doug is awesome. I have had a few warranty issues and he has taken care of them within a day, even had the dinette installed in less than two days. If you buy, get the add ons like the awning and rear screen from the factory as I was quoted about $100 more from the sales lot.

My issues were weight, as my tow vehicle is only rated at 6500#. I have pulled the 17' with full water, two quads and lots of beer with no problems. The weight on the AF's is lower than the WW and Carson, whihc are the other two brands I looked at. The AF was also the least expensive of the bunch, too. As soon as I can afford to upgrade to the mother of all trucks, I'm going to look at the AF fifth wheel!

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'02 Kawasaki Lakota Sport
'03 Suzuki LT 160
'05 American Freedom 17' toy hauler
'06 F150 V8 4x4 crew cab
'?? Yamaha Sun Classic golf cart

Well I fixed the ladder problem I went to Home Depot and bought two 8ft long 2x3's and 4ft long 1 1/4 inch wood dowel. I then cut the 2x3's to 66 inches, drilled four 1 1/8 inch holes in each 2x3, cut the dowel into 9 3/8 sections and hammered the dowels into the holes. It is very narrow ladder but in does the trick.
Does anyone have phone number that I could talk to Doug or someone at the factory? I am tired of waitng for the dealership I bought my trailer from to get the things they said they would make right done. From what I've heard everyone say about Doug I'm sure he'd fix my very minor problems.

I can not seem to locate the number to the shop, but you can call the Riverside sales lot at 951 788-5546 and they will give it to you. The lot is like 2 miles from Dougs shop. If its minor repairs he will have it fixed in one day. The few times that I have had to take my trailer in I have taken it in on a Saturday morning and they have fixed what needed to be fixed first thing before they start working on the other trailers. So give Doug a call like a day before and let him know what is wrong and when you can drop it off.They are really quick to, I have never been ther more than an hour. I see you are from California, what part, Katstoy and myself are the only ones that I am aware of that have AF toy haulers. My family and buddies ride out in Joshua tree, Ocotillo wells, Hungry Valley. Keep me posted on your trailer and the trips and riding places.



21 ft A F toy hauler
400 ex
450 ex
500 predator tld
2500 chevy HD 4 x4 crew
TTR 90
2 dogs

" shut up and just ride it "

The number to the factory is 951-276-1501.

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'02 Kawasaki Lakota Sport
'03 Suzuki LT 160
'05 American Freedom 17' toy hauler
'06 F150 V8 4x4 crew cab
'?? Yamaha Sun Classic golf cart

How come they don't have a web site? Is the AF their light model? Any idea what the dry weight of your trailers is?

I am really impressed by the SuperLite Weekend Warriors, but would consider another brand if it were even lighter. But for now, I only have a half-ton truck, so I am holding off. I could afford a bigger truck or a trailer, but not both at once.

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Southern California Deserts and Mountains....

Desert: 450R, 400EX
Technical Trail: Rancher 420 and 350 4X4's
Kids: Two 250EX's and TRX90
Dual-Sport Bikes: KLX250S and XT225

Past rides: 300EX, 2wd Rancher 350, Recon, TRX90, Z400, LT160, LT80, Warrior, Blaster, CRF230F

Reconranger, I have a 21 foot AF itss dry weight is 5000 lbs. I used to pull it with a chevy 1500 with the 5.3 liter in it with no problem. When I ordered mine I also got and additional 65 gallon water tank, it come with one 65 gallon. I haul 2 quads and 1 bike. and on weekend trips about half full of water. water weighs 8 lbs per gallon. I did some figurin and I am pullin about fully loaded about 6500-7000 depending also on the amount of beer I bring. I just bought a 2500 4 x 4 HD crew cab with the 8.1 liter. now I have all the truck in the world and to small of trailer. it works for us, its just my wife and 2 girls ( 3 & 8 ). I looked as well at the superlites and yes they are nice but i believe they are a tad heavier, also they where about 3000 more than what I paid. I got mine for out the door for 18200. I had them put on 2 halogen flood lights on my entry door side, diamond plate across the bottom and front, no tv, microwave, HD 5500 lb axles ( really look at that when you buy a hauler get the 5500 lb ) add a wall plus some other stuff. I have buddies that have WW and there biggest complaint is the customer service and the time it takes to get repairs done. I have had a few repairs done to mine and Doug one of the owners at the riverside plant where they make them is just a class act. I take it in and he has repaired it in a matter of about 1 hour. If its a few fixes he'll put 2 or 3 of his guys on it so he can send you on your way. If you decide to get a AF he doesnt have a problem with you poppin in to watch the progress on it being built either. Oh the website he uses is www.usabankrepos.com . They are the only sellers of his trailers. Happy huntin and keep in touch.



2500 HD 4 x4 crew cab
400 ex
450 ex
500 predator TLD
TTR 90
2 dogs
" shut up and ride it "

Hi Recon! Long time no see! We're doing a Stoddard Wells run the first weekend in Jan - 6th to 8th - so come on up and check out my toy hauler.

I have the 17' which for two of us is perfect. With your crew you'll need something larger. We can fill it with two full sized quads and a dirt bike. We may be able to squeeze a small quad in too. The dry weight on the toy hauler is about 3800#. My Jeep pulls it no problem up Cajon with the three bikes, full 60 gallons of water and all the gear. The tow rating on the Jeep is 6500#. My guess is that fully loaded I'm running at about 5000 to 5500#. I love my hauler. It weighed less than the WW and was considerably less expensive for pretty much about the same features. My only issue is that the 17' does not come with a generator, you'll need to hook up one outside, but it has all the other creature comforts and the bathroom is considerably more comfortable than the WW. More leg room as there is no sink the the bathroom.

So, my plan for this year is to update the tow vehicle, and then next year a larger toy hauler with front bed, pump station (I hate those gas cans) and built in generator!

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'02 Kawasaki Lakota Sport
'03 Suzuki LT 160
'05 American Freedom 17' toy hauler
'06 F150 V8 4x4 crew cab
'?? Yamaha Sun Classic golf cart

I just took my AF 17cb out for the first time and I loved it. I have '01 Chevy silverado Z71 that is lifted w/ 35 inch tires, a K and N 77 series cold air induction system and a Hypertech programmer. The truck towed my trailer with no problem. It was loaded with 1 full sized quad, 2 kids quads, 1 crf 450 and 60 gallons of water. My next trip out will be to Ocotillo wells on Jan. 13-15.

How is the quality of these trailiers? With the price being so much cheaper then others I was wondering if they were any good. Any information would be helpful. I live in Las Vegas so it is about a 3 hour drive to go and take a look at them.

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2002 Scrambler 400
2004 KFX 700 V Force (Orange) Pink Spring
2004 Sportsman 90

Hello BAM welocome to the forum, the quality of the AF trailer is good. Its really all about what you want in a trailer. The AF is a quality trailer at a good price,just not alot of people have heard of him because they are new to the toyhauler market. I have a 21 ft FCB It can sleep 8 comfortably. 2 queens in the back , 1 in front and both couches are fulls. I have a generator, pump station ( 26 gal. ) 130 gallons of water ( 2- 65 gal tanks ) microwave, ac, ect. for 18,200 . that price will almost double for alot of the name brands. Like I said it has nice interiors, good colors , structurally its built the same as all the others chassis are the same , Doug the owner of AF just does not have all that expensive overhead to pay for like the other name brands. He makes them in Riverside. He does'nt have a problem with people stopping by a checkin out his operation. I highly recommend this trailer especially for the price, he doesnt sacrifice the quality. I dont think it will be a wasted trip for you to come down a check them out. They will also customize your trailer with just about anything. They also have a choice of graphics and other stuff. Keep us posted on the progrees and any more questions you might have.


21 ft AF
2500 HD 4 x 4 crew cab
450 ex
400 ex
predator 500 TLD cross country edition
TTR 90

" shut up and ride it "

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Originally posted by: BAM2003
How is the quality of these trailiers? With the price being so much cheaper then others I was wondering if they were any good. Any information would be helpful. I live in Las Vegas so it is about a 3 hour drive to go and take a look at them.

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FIRST - wooo hooo just got my new truck last night! 2006 F150 V8 super crew 4x4 - now all I need is a bigger toy hauler!

SECOND - The quality on the AF is pretty good. I have been in the Carson Funrunner, the Attitude and an All American Sport - and the AF is compable in features and quality. I've had mine for almost a year and still love it.

THIRD - We'll be at Dumont for MLK weekend. So if you're up for it feel free to come take a tour of the 17'. At least in Dumont it'll save you about 1-2 hours ride and you can have some fun in the sand too!

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'02 Kawasaki Lakota Sport
'03 Suzuki LT 160
'05 American Freedom 17' toy hauler
'06 F150 V8 4x4 crew cab
'?? Yamaha Sun Classic golf cart

Funny Katstoy we are in the same boat as far as the big truck and smaller trailer. We had a half ton silverado when we got the 21 ft. Now we have 2500 HD 4 x 4 crew cab with the 8.1 liter and the allison trans. We went and looked this weekend just for kicks at the 2006's and man I would not trade mine in for any of them. although there is a really nice 2006 American Freedom at the Beaumont lot ,its 27 ft fully loaded except for a tv . with the same floor plan as my 21 ft with the bed in the front for 21,000 it has the new electric beds and it has the dinnete in it which I am going to talk to Doug about gettinn in mine. You said you like the change in your 17 ft right. Was there a charge for the dinnete.to be swapped. Also that 27 ft has some reallt wild red graphics, similar to weekednd warrior.

21 ft FCB AF
2500 HD 4 x 4 crew cab
450 ex
400 ex
500 predator TLD
TTR 90

" shut up and ride it "

Blown450 - I like the set up with the dinette much, much better. It was $400.00 to swap out one of the couches for the dinette.

Bam2003 - I just had a new brake controller istalled on the new truck today. I went to a local RV place. The service guy asked what I towed, and he had a very good reaction to the fact that it was an AF. He said (very quietly as they do not sell them there) that it was a good hauler that is built better than most of the rest.

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'02 Kawasaki Lakota Sport
'03 Suzuki LT 160
'05 American Freedom 17' toy hauler
'06 F150 V8 4x4 crew cab
'?? Yamaha Sun Classic golf cart

I also have a 17' AF.... lol I bought mine shortly after reading all these good reviews from Kats and Blown. I have done things here and there to my toy box. like add a satelite and reciever, TV mount with TV, Radio with Ipod plugins, and little things the wife has installed in the kitchen and restroom.

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It all started on a 250ex ... boy what a mistake... Now its still a honda and its a 250 also... But its the 250R......

We have another happy member to the AF toy hauler family he announced it on this forum LIFT350 bought the 27 ft. Just a little fyi. I have a 9 toy box party so far that is going to Buttercup dunes over the President s day holiday if any of you would like to join us come on down, plenty of kids to play with if you have kids and always plenty of good times. We are leaving on Friday the 17 and coming back on Monday.



2500 HD 4 x 4 crew cab lifted
21 ft AF toy box
blown 450 ex
400 ex
500 predator TLD cross country edition
TTR 90

" shut and ride it "

were is Buttercup dunes? and thanks for the welcome.

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2005 Dodge 2500 4x4 CTD
27' American Freedom
2005 450R
2006 400EX
2002 CRF450R
2002 F4i

Buttercup is at the southern end of the imperial sand dune ( Glamis ) You take the 10 to the 86 towards brawley/ el centro and then take highway 8 and go past el centro. I forget what off ramp it is but you will see all the trailers and stuff. Its a blast. Dunes for ever. It takes us about 2 1/2 hours . There is usually a good crowd there, but nothing like Glamis. I like Ocotillo better ,mainly because it has a little of everthing , the place in Joshua tree is just like Ocotillo but not as big.



2500 HD 4 x 4 crew cab
blown 450 ex
400 ex
500 predator TLD cross country edition
TTR 90