Hello everyone I have run into a small dilemma.

One of my relatives wants to buy my new SPECIAL EDITION SILVER 2007 GRIZZLY 700 FI 4X4. He will pay Canadian prize for it less the taxes.
So I have the opportunity now to either buy another 700 Grizzly or buy a 2007 Outlander Max 650 H.O EFI with the XT Package without putting in a extra pennie..... LOVE THAT CANADIAN DOLLAR.........

If you have read my other posting the SPECIAL EDITION SILVER 2007 GRIZZLY 700 FI 4X4 is a fantastic 4wheeler you just can't beat the power steering on it, I love it and that's what sold me on it. The problem is that I have to spend more money to get a winch, windshield, better tires and a passenger seat. The 2007 Outlander Max 650 H.O EFI with the XT Package already will come with new BRP XL2500 winch, ACT radial tires there is already a passenger seat (2up) and the salesman said he will throw in a free windshield for me. I have read over and over again what a great machine the outlander is and what great power and ride it has. I have test driven the outlander and it has a great ride but it does not have
the excellent power steering like the Grizz.......

I know that I am in a great position...........but I am being torn..........

SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS.............WHICH ONE.............

2007 GRIZZLY 700 FI 4X4 or OUTLANDER MAX 650 H.O EFI XT...... ???????

That silver special edition Grizzly 700 is one sweet looking ATV, isn't it! A Grizzly 700 works well for one up riding, but the seat length is pretty darn short, so with two up riding the passenger is going to have the rear rack up against their back side. My wife and i have ridden two up on our Grizzly a few times, and although it isn't that comfortable for the passenger the Grizzly can certainly handle two riders. We rode the ATV course of the WORCS race in Monticello, UT, and it had an insane steep silty and rocky hillclimb on it. The Grizzly went right up it in 4-low with two riders onboard. There wasn't much weight on the front tires, but it never felt unmanagable at all. The Grizzly has fantastic terrainability (a Yamaha word), and the suspension actually feels really good with two riders. Still, ... for two up riding I would give the nod to the Can-am.

Some of the Grizzly 700s didn't start in sub-zero weather last winter (mine included). And our Grizzly 700 also tends to run real hot when temps are over 100. We did some long rides in the red rock country of southeastern UT three weeks ago, and temps were 104 to 106. The Grizzly 700s fan is always on in those temps, and the gas in the gas tank boils all day long. It doesn't vapor lock, or seem to have any power loss or hesitation at all, but the gas in the tank certainly is at a rip roaring boil alot of the time.

DV

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'09 Can-Am Renegade 800: ATVTorture.com project quad
'08 KTM 950 R Super Enduro
'08 Dodge Challenger SRT8
'04 Jeep Wrangler Sport

2008 Arctic Cat 700 H1 EFI SE

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2006 Arctic Cat 650 V2
3000lb Venom 3000XT winch
50 ft synthetic winch rope
ITP Mudlite XTR tires
ITP C-Series Type 7 rims
Arctic Cat handguards
Arctic Cat shock covers
K&N Air Filter

DV, there's some adjustments you can make to stop the gurgling affect in the venting for the gas tank.

As for what you should do btremont, you chose the grizzly once over everything else... It'll suck if you get something else then constantly second guess yourself or miss it... Then again... the decision is up to you... We helped out the first time... now it's just plain your decision...

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If you never wreck, yer not riding hard enough...

04 yfz 450 Curtis Sparks Big Core Exhaust Kit
Cam mod
Airbox lid removed
GYT-R Jetting Kit, Grab Bar
AC Bumper, Nerf Bars, skid plates
TrailTech Xbars
HiPer beadlocks w/ razr's...

07 Grizzly 700 (Ducks Unlimited Edition)
Warn 3.0XT winch - Full Yami skids - 27" 589's all around
Dalton Clutch kit - Reverse rev-limiter override

Yes I do agree with you Hebs........don't get me wrong my 07 Grizzly is everything I want and need and more........ the person who approached me offered me a great price.................but your 100% right it will be crazy to be going back and forth............ thanks for your reply and honesty.

Regards

Hebs,
We tried switching gas caps between our Grizzly and our Rhino just to be sure it wasn't a problem with the Grizzlys gas cap not venting properly. It made no difference, so either both gas caps do not vent, or the Grizzlys gas cap works fine. The Rhino did fine during this whole time, and did not run nearly as hot as the Grizzly did. The Grizzly 700 is the hottest running ATV, side x side, motorcycle, jeep type vehicle that I have owned in the last 30 years. Yamaha definitely needs to upgrade the cooling system capacity.

DV

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'09 Can-Am Renegade 800: ATVTorture.com project quad
'08 KTM 950 R Super Enduro
'08 Dodge Challenger SRT8
'04 Jeep Wrangler Sport

My Buddy's Grizz700 ran really hot too. Part of the problem is mud getting flung up into the back side of the rad by the front tires. We're making a small deflector/shield thingy out of a mud flap to prevent this. Bit worried that the shield will prevent some airflow and actually make the problem worse, but we'll test anyways. We also tried a different rad fluid with a higher boiling point. Seems to keep it from boiling over, but it's really just a band-aid. The motor is still running too hot.

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'02 Big Bear
Supertrapp IDS2
K&N
26" Mudlites
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'06 Bruin 350 4x4
25" Mudlites
-SOLD-
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'06 Her Chee 90 (DS90)
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'07 Rhino 660
K&N
RAIS Powertube
EPI Clutch Kit
Hunterworks Tri-Fire CDI
26" Mudlite XTRs
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'08 Grizzly 700FI EPS
HMF Penland Pro + Optimizer
Twin Air Filter
FPS Clutch Kit
26" Mudlite XTRs

Ok this is very interesting are you guys saying that the motor runs hot only in hot, hot weather and you run the machine for a long time......???? or are you saying the motor runs hot in any kind of temperature if you run the machine for 4 to 5 hours......??????

It only runs hot in really hot weather. With our Grizzly it tended to be worse when my wife rode it than when I rode it, possibly due to a different riding style. I remember stopping after a tough spot in the trail with the Rhino, and waiting for my wife to come over it in the Grizzly, and when she pulled up my first impression was "dang girl, you're overheating that thing". It was hot! But whoever rode it, the engine fan was on continueously, and there was so much engine heat that the plastic covering the engine sides and the airbox area would get so hot and soft that they would collapse if you leaned against them. And the plastic tabs that hold the different plastic pieces together didn't want to fit right. The plastic parts were coming apart and had to be snapped back together, and when you tried to snap it back together the plastic was so soft it wouldn't stay together. The Grizzly was definitely too hot, but it was 106 outside, we were riding on slickrock, and the overheat light never did come on, so we just made the best out of it. The Grizzly made the trip just fine, but I've never had anything get that hot before.

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'09 Can-Am Renegade 800: ATVTorture.com project quad
'08 KTM 950 R Super Enduro
'08 Dodge Challenger SRT8
'04 Jeep Wrangler Sport

My experience as well (buddy's Grizz). Running hot on hot days AND in extreme conditions. Everybody was running hot with plugged up rads and caked mud all over the machines, but the Grizz was the only one boiling over. Like I said, the new rad fluid keeps it from actually boiling over, but doesn't really help it run any cooler. A good shroud around the fan, and over the back of the rad would help in keeping the mud from flinging up into the back of the rad. The radiator is also very hard to clean out properly due to it's placement. It's a trade off between effective cooling and protection of the radiator. This is the ONLY bad thing I have to say about the 700 Grizz, and remember, it is a new design in it's first year of production. These type of things pop up, and are usually fixed in subsequent years. In a lot of cases the fix can be applied to earlier models.
You could always get a huge aftermarket rad and mount it up on the front rack.

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'02 Big Bear
Supertrapp IDS2
K&N
26" Mudlites
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'06 Bruin 350 4x4
25" Mudlites
-SOLD-
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'06 Her Chee 90 (DS90)
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'07 Rhino 660
K&N
RAIS Powertube
EPI Clutch Kit
Hunterworks Tri-Fire CDI
26" Mudlite XTRs
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'08 Grizzly 700FI EPS
HMF Penland Pro + Optimizer
Twin Air Filter
FPS Clutch Kit
26" Mudlite XTRs

I agree that PS is nice but if you are going to ride two up the the outty is the only way to go.In a lot of places you will be stop for riding two people on a one person ATV.

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bruce taft

The grizzlies have been running hot for years... That being said, DV, it's not the gas cap that's the problem, it's the valve in the vent hose. (to be honest, I don't think there's even a valve on the 700's cap) Replace the check valve with a small NAPA fuel filter. This allows the pressure to equalize plus it filters the incoming as the pressure drops. This won't get rid of the heat the engine produces, but it'll clear up the breathing issues in the tank...

Also, the grizzly runs probably 40% hotter when putting around for an hour or so, than it does when tearing around on trails... It just doesn't like the low rpms I guess.... lol...

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If you never wreck, yer not riding hard enough...

04 yfz 450 Curtis Sparks Big Core Exhaust Kit
Cam mod
Airbox lid removed
GYT-R Jetting Kit, Grab Bar
AC Bumper, Nerf Bars, skid plates
TrailTech Xbars
HiPer beadlocks w/ razr's...

07 Grizzly 700 (Ducks Unlimited Edition)
Warn 3.0XT winch - Full Yami skids - 27" 589's all around
Dalton Clutch kit - Reverse rev-limiter override

Thanks Hebs, I'll check into that vent hose. We've actually owned three Grizzly 660s, and this Grizzly 700. The 700 doesn't start as good in extreme cold, and doesn't handle extreme heat as well either. Everything else is better though; engine noise, vibration, steering, handling, and suspension.

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'09 Can-Am Renegade 800: ATVTorture.com project quad
'08 KTM 950 R Super Enduro
'08 Dodge Challenger SRT8
'04 Jeep Wrangler Sport

I wonder if Yamaha will sort out the EFI issues for 2008? It obviously shouldn't have left the factory as it did. Hopefully they rework the EFI system. Cold starting issues and having to fiddle with the fuel settings to get the thing not to stall or to get it to idle correctly is exactly the type of thing that EFI is suppose to eliminate. It was painfully obvious that the EFI on the Grizzly wasn't thoroughly tested and wasn't ready for release.

My fan came on 1 time at about 10 miles. Did the POD adjustment and the fan hasen't come on in 300 miles even in 95 degree heat. Never have had a gas boiling issuie either. Never have had one problem yet.

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2006 Honda 450ERRRRRRRRRRRRRR<BR>2005 Yamaha KodiaK 450...crashed/Totaled<BR>2005 Honda 250EX (sold but never forgotten)<BR>2003 Yamaha Raptor 80<BR>2006 Sukuki ZZZZZZ400
GRIZZLY 700 FI........nothing compares!

The Outlanders will not run any cooler. More cc's equal more heat. Outlanders have been melting plastic for awhile. This was an issue with the 800's, unsure if the 650's have the same problem.

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2006 Outlander Max Full Ricochet 26" Mudlite XTR - Now an XT

The Grizzly has power steering, real 4WD, good looks, and a fairly strong engine for its size.

The Can-Am has a crazily powerful engine and "Visco-Lock" 3WD (it's not real 4WD).

It really depends if you want to sacrifice true 4WD for the extra power.

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'07 Brute Force 650i (Silver).
-Warn 2500ci Winch.
-14" ITP C-Series Type 7 wheels on 27" ITP Terra Cross tires.

Live life to the fullest.

Do a test ride' that way you won't be second guessing. I would go with the Outty personally.

Thanks everyone for there input and help onces again. I have kept my GRIZZ, I don't need that much power and the GRIZZ has everything I need and more.... If you really look at the big picture for an all around 4wheeler the GRIZZLY is the way to go............ as I said before I have always been a HONDA fan and I still am..........but when I test drove the GRIZZ it was all over..............YAMAHA has really done a good job with this one.........

Thanks again for all your honest responses.

I was wondering the same thing. Two of my employees have 700's and I am wanting to ad a 700 to my ATV family.

I can't decide between the new Brute force 750 efi, Grizzly 700 or the Outty 650. I recently bought a KQ 450 this year. I like the KQ but I don't like the low intake pipes and belt exhaust. I know on the Grizzly 700 they are really high. Does anyone know where the BF and Outty intakes and belt exhaust are located. The KQ's are just to LOW!!

go to www.yamaha-motor.com/outdoor and order the grizzly dvd, and it should tell you what you want to know about intakes and everrthing for the Grizz and the rest of the big bores.

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2008 Yamaha Grizzly 700 fi with eps by this time next year
1998 Yamaha Warrior 350 (traded, but not forgotten)
1988 Honda 300 4X4