So Yamaha, Honda, Kawasaki and Can-Am (sort of) all have sport quads in the 700cc range. And Arctic Cat has a 950 ute. How far off is a true 1000cc quad? Imagine a Raptor 1000!? Or a huge utility machine with a true 1000... how likely is it that this will happen in the near future? It can't be that much longer...can it?

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08 Raptor 700
02 Banshee
03 Kodiak 450
89 Quadzilla (Sold Aug. 06)
03 Raptor 660 (Sold Aug. 07)

I think at that point, its a little overkill lol. I would love to see a true 1000cc quad though. Im sure we will see them in the next 2 years.

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08 KMD 250cc Sport Quad
07 SunL 110cc SLA-145 Utlility
89 TRX250R (almost rebuilt)

I think I like the direction Yamaha is headed, Take the Grizz 700 they tried to build the quad around the motor instead of a motor around the quad [can am] what they seem to have come up w/ is complete pkg. Yes it might not be great in one paticular area but it shure doesn't fail at anything. Point beeing I'd rather see technology in quads that beeing handling [yfz450/Raptor] EfI [Raptor/Grizz] weight [Raptor 250] all which will make all quads faster than just shoving a bigger engine into a existing quad. Heck it will need to come sooner than later as by the sounds of it most states have a cap on what class a certain size cc motors can be in!

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08 YAMAHA RAPTOR 700R
04 POLARIS SPORTSMAN 600

PLEASE DON'T BE THE ONE THAT RUIN'S IT FOR THE REST OF US!!!!!!!!

MOPAR FOREVER
Move-Over-People-Are-Raceing!!!!!

i dont think we will see like a raptor 1000 ever. or atleast for a long time. people who want to go super fast can build there 700 to the tranny limit (about 100hp). also i think it whould hurt the handling of the quad because of the weight.

And as long as the 1000 high out put as well. I bet the 450r Honda can hold its own against there new 700xx. its not just about displacement.

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2001 SP 500 H.O

your right about that ^^^^^^^^^^^^^.

just like they can hold there own with the raptor untill you start to get into the engine. then the 450s have a real hard time keeping up.

I don't see this as much a pure displacement issue, as a total size/weight/horespower package issue:

Power/weight ratio of what really counts. I really like the trend in sport quads to do more with less! Like the 450's, which are all around 350 pounds and go faster than any sane person would ever want to go.....and now the new Raptor 250 which is an ultra lightweight.

From day one starting with the Honda 300, I always felt that the utilities were way way to heavy. Of course if you are going to put 4wd on a machine it is going to require extra metal, but at least the Japaneese manufacturers have kept the weight in the 600 pound range. I was sure disapointed to find that my Rancher 420 got heavier (instead of lighter), compared to my (fairly light for a ute) Rancher 350.

The North American manfacturers seem to think the sky is the limit!!! They keep building bigger heavier "feature laden" machines, and of course you are going to have to bump up the displacement just to haul that huge pig around!

The worst accidents I have seen have been utility rollovers!!! There is a notion out there that "speed kills", but that isn't what I am seeing out on the trail. It isn't the testosterone crazed teenagers on sport quads who are fit and have good reflexes that are getting hurt, it is rather the mom and pop senior citizens on the monster utes! I am hoping for a backlash in utility design, and a move to make these machines lighter and safer.

If it isn't heavy, you don't need huge displacement to haul it around!

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Desert: 450R
Trail: 400EX
Technical Trail: Rancher 420 and 350 4X4's
Kids: Two 250EX's and 90
Dual-Sport Bike: XT225

Past rides: 300EX, 2wd Rancher 350, Recon, TRX90, Z400, LT160, LT80, Warrior, Blaster, CRF230F

Edited: 04/24/2008 at 02:11 PM by reconranger

Amen Recon Ranger I agree 100%

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2007 Honda 450r
2004 Honda recon
2003 Honda rancher
2003 Honda foreman
1983 Honda 185s 3 Wheeler
1998 Polaris xc 700 Snowmobile

All Honda Red Except the Snowmobile

This brings up a GREAT point. If you aren't that experienced ride to your ability! I have been hit twice on trail rides. Once by an 11 year old kid on Honda 450 ute and once by a 90lb girl riding a Polaris 800! Wtf are these people doing riding in the front of a riding group on quads way to big and powerful for them? Its all about fun, but when I got started, it was on a 250cc and I was always in the middle of the group.

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08 Raptor 700
02 Banshee
03 Kodiak 450
89 Quadzilla (Sold Aug. 06)
03 Raptor 660 (Sold Aug. 07)

I just feel like all the manufacturers are trying to out do each other. Now that Honda has a 700, Yamaha may look to the be first to the 1000cc club

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08 Raptor 700
02 Banshee
03 Kodiak 450
89 Quadzilla (Sold Aug. 06)
03 Raptor 660 (Sold Aug. 07)

Actually the ATV manufactures are holding back.

AC 1000_________65.84 hp
Can Am 800______61.7 hp
Can Am 650______55.4 hp
Brute 750 Carb____50.1 hp
Polaris 800_______50.1 hp
Brute 750 EFI_____49.8 hp
King Quad 750____49.6 hp
King 700_________48.5 hp
Grizzly 700________45.6 hp
Polaris 700_______44.3 hp
AC 700 H1_______41.4 hp
AC 700__________41.4 hp
Grizzly 660_______40.9 hp
Can Am 500______40.4 hp
AC 650 H1_______39.3 hp
Rincon 680_______38.5 hp
King 450_________36.7 hp

65hp is the top dog in ATVs, yet Arctic Cat(Suzuki makes there motors),Polaris,Yamaha and Can Am All make smaller 800cc 4 stroke sled engines that make well over 100 hp easily.
I think they just know there would be law suits like they did with 3 wheelers if they when all out on ATVs.

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2001 SP 500 H.O

Edited: 04/24/2008 at 08:48 PM by TLC

This isnt good... That is what happened to the 3 wheelers.
Honda came out with the 250r which was insanely fast. Soon after atc realated injuries began rising. I myself got hurt on a 1986 250r and was in the hospital for a week. The 250r engine had way to much power to be in a 3 wheeler frame.. for most people. what i am trying to say is sooner or later there will be quads that will have way to much power to be in an atv. injuries will rise atvs will be banned.

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2007 Honda 450r
2004 Honda recon
2003 Honda rancher
2003 Honda foreman
1983 Honda 185s 3 Wheeler
1998 Polaris xc 700 Snowmobile

All Honda Red Except the Snowmobile

Another issue is design. People are getting killed in Rhinos, which have a rollcage! You roll a huge monster utility, and you have racks and big fairly solid fenders to deal with, not to mention the weight.

If you roll a sport quad, as long as you avoid the handlebars, what do you have to deal with? Some soft flexible plastic....

Doesn't hurt to wear saftey gear as well!

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Desert: 450R
Trail: 400EX
Technical Trail: Rancher 420 and 350 4X4's
Kids: Two 250EX's and 90
Dual-Sport Bike: XT225

Past rides: 300EX, 2wd Rancher 350, Recon, TRX90, Z400, LT160, LT80, Warrior, Blaster, CRF230F

The need for a 1000cc engine is here, ... now! It is needed in side by sides. How many of you own a Rhino 660 or 700? They are the all time dogs of the century in the performance department. A 1000 cc side by side would be just right in my opinion, but the whole side by side would need a redesign, and would need to be a side by side designed for the engine, and for improved handling. Lower, wider, more suspension travel, power steering like on the Grizzly, and a better roll cage, better doors, and at least four point harnesses from the factory.

DV

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'07 Yamaha Rhino 660: Lonestar long travel suspension w/ Elka shocks; Gorilla axles; Trinity sheave; Dynatek CDI; Yoshimura RS-5 exhaust
'07 Yamaha Grizzly 700: Ohlins shocks; Fix Powersports sheave; Dynatek CDI
'08 KTM 530 EXC R: street legal dirt bike

I probably shouldn't mention that I will have a big 6" long scar on my right butt cheek for the rest of my life that is the exact inprint of a DS 650 foot peg.

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'07 Yamaha Rhino 660: Lonestar long travel suspension w/ Elka shocks; Gorilla axles; Trinity sheave; Dynatek CDI; Yoshimura RS-5 exhaust
'07 Yamaha Grizzly 700: Ohlins shocks; Fix Powersports sheave; Dynatek CDI
'08 KTM 530 EXC R: street legal dirt bike

What's the sense if all they ever do is sell us detuned models of the sizes we have now?

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700 sportsman efi, 2500 lb warn winch, american eagle plow.

Previous machines:
89' mohave
89' banshee modified
92' yz 250
93' cr 250
94' zx 7r ninja
96' yz 250
99' yzf 400
99 seadoo xp limited
00' yzf 426

What I don't understand is why atv engines have such lower output per cc compared to sleds and motorcycles. As far as ATV's getting banned, maybe they need to change the laws or something so people who can't handle stuff can't ride the stuff. Never going to understand why people think they can just hop on a quad and ride like a pro or that they need the most horsepower when there first starting out. Ute's are being made way to fast these days for how well they handle, I really don't see the need for a 700+lb 4x4 quad to do anywhere near 80mph! When have you been going threw the woods or mud or anything and needed to go 80?? I wish people would be scared of fast quads like the must be of dirtbikes as you never see stuff like this with them.

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1999 400ex-Renthal bars, K&N Filter, DG Baja complete exhaust
Bmx-Grim Reaper 24lbs
1987 Warrior- White Bros. Racing Carb, Uni filter, new plastic, new rear shock
1991 Quadracer- Trinity exhaust, DG Baja full skidplate, K&N Air filter, Works shocks, Graydon Proline Nerfs/Front Bumper , race plastic, douglas rims, Renthal bars
1984 200x- Sold for $200