I want to know the differences of these atvs, and the best overall performer.

There are numerous differences and if I had to decide between the two I would choose the ktm without hesitation! It is one hell of a machine right out of the box! The only thing I can think of that the outlaw has over the ktm is the irs option....and that is only an advantage if you trail ride alot. Otherwise, straight axle is the way to go imo!

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I don't think the mud is that deep....!!!

2007 Sportsman 800 EFI Deluxe
ITP SS108's, 26" Mud Lites, 2.5 Warn, Synthetic Rope, bumpers, Dalton Clutch, K&N

2008 Sportsman 700 EFI X2 - The Wife's
800 rims, 27" Mud Lites, 1.5" spacers, 2.5 Warn, Synthetic Rope, Dalton Clutch, K&N filter, brush guard

2007 Troy Lee Predator 500
HMF Sport exhaust, UM Racing air box, K&N filter, Jet Kit, UM bumpers, UM nerf bars, etc...etc...

The Outlaw 525 is a straight axel. Here is a review on all of them.

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2001 SP 500 H.O

Edited: 04/18/2008 at 07:17 PM by TLC

well, the outlaw has a HUGE price advantage. The ktm is about a bit lighter and comes with race ready components for XC. But if you're going to mod it anyway, why not get the outlaw? What's the point of replacing the near-top-of-the-line suspension for the very-best-top-of-the-line suspension if you could have just saved $2500 and gotten the outlaw instead of the ktm in the beginning.

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Jacob
06 DS250
-nerf bars
-Can Am "DS" bumper
-coming: eventually, probly next summer/spring, Durablue +4 Axle, Dynojet Jet Kit

Only Tricks i can do so far are no footers (see my pics)
Any advice on how to land no handers?

http://s203.photobucket.com/albums/aa247/crazy1291/

More pics^^

One thing that's different is the out of the box Horsepower. The KTM has 41 at the wheels and the Outlaw has 38. They have the same motor but I'm sure it comes down to stock intake and exhaust set up there. If it was me I would get the Outlaw and put the extra money into add ons and make it Rip. Of course the KTM has an awesome Chromoly frame that is hard to beat. I think the outlaw looks more suited for bigger guys too since the handle bars sit a lot higher. So that's just a few things to look at with these beasts.

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01' Bomb DS650
OMR Carb Mods(thanks OMR)
Big Gun CDI box
K&N filter (no air box)
15t front sprocket
Full CT pipe
JE 11.5:1 piston
80%/60% woods springs
Barnett Clutch
more to come......

03' Z400(Wife's ride)
Full LRD pipe
Cams

According to HMF, both the KTM and Outlaw put out the same HP. Seen this on other exhaust sites to. The only place I've read where the KTM had more power was DW mag. And we all know how accurate they are. The shootout between the Outlaw and KTM had them near dead even on power and drags with the slight advantage to the KTM. But this is more due to 30lbs lighter. The $2500 price differance and only a 30 day warrenty with KTM, the Outlaw is hard to beat. Plus, even tho the KTM does come with Ohlins, there are not the best and still need to be rebuilt for your style. That is another $700

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08 Outlaw 525s
03 250EX
05 LTZ 250
http://community.webshots.com/...EtXgAk?327">XC Quad</a>

Dirt Wheels did the shootout, but I found the info in ATV action Mag which I trust more than DW's. They said they dynoed the KTM at 41, the Outlaw at 38, and the Raptor700 at 41. I wouldn't think they would lie. But like I said, the outlaw has a worse air intake and exhaust design from the factory which is probably the main reason they differ in HP. This can easily be remedied so no big deal there.

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01' Bomb DS650
OMR Carb Mods(thanks OMR)
Big Gun CDI box
K&N filter (no air box)
15t front sprocket
Full CT pipe
JE 11.5:1 piston
80%/60% woods springs
Barnett Clutch
more to come......

03' Z400(Wife's ride)
Full LRD pipe
Cams

From what ive heard the ktm is better. And more expensive

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All men are created equal, to be better than someone you have to work at it.

Amen! The very reason I bought another predator. Got my new 07 TL predator last month for only 5k! With competitors 2k more or so, I could do a lot of mods and smoke em! I looked hard at the outlaw too...I do know polaris has an eccentric intake system that really robs hp's. Changing that alone and rejetting if nothing else should make up that 3hp and would only cost about $250.....

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I don't think the mud is that deep....!!!

2007 Sportsman 800 EFI Deluxe
ITP SS108's, 26" Mud Lites, 2.5 Warn, Synthetic Rope, bumpers, Dalton Clutch, K&N

2008 Sportsman 700 EFI X2 - The Wife's
800 rims, 27" Mud Lites, 1.5" spacers, 2.5 Warn, Synthetic Rope, Dalton Clutch, K&N filter, brush guard

2007 Troy Lee Predator 500
HMF Sport exhaust, UM Racing air box, K&N filter, Jet Kit, UM bumpers, UM nerf bars, etc...etc...

ATV Rider just did a shootout of the big bores which was the ktm 525 xc outlaw 525s and the raptor 700 They did every kind of test and the ktm 525 xc took everything from Trail Riding and MX to dirt drags, Hill climbing and sand drags. The outlaw 525s dynod in at 38 RWH the raptor 700 dynod at 41 RWH and the ktm 525 dynod at 45 RWH. The ktm 525 price tag msrp at $8,900 the outlaw 525s msrp is at $7,300 and the raptor 700 msrp is 7,100 thats just th regular one not special edition. Just the front ohlins suspension is $1,600 dollars and the rear is $500 that is straight off there web site. So just puting that suspension on either the raptor 700 or the outlaw 525 would make that bike more expensive then the ktm 525 xc.

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GOIN THE BIGGEST

Ya..... but you're going to replace the A-Arms on the ktm anyway to make it wider, and then put some even better shocks on, then you're screwed with the ktm, money wise.

If it were me, I would just get a new intake and exhaust for the outlaw to add power, then get a +2 axle and +2 a-arms. Then add fox Float Evo X's on the front and just get the back revalved or keep the back stock since it's already a fox Podium X.

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Jacob
06 DS250
-nerf bars
-Can Am "DS" bumper
-coming: eventually, probly next summer/spring, Durablue +4 Axle, Dynojet Jet Kit

Only Tricks i can do so far are no footers (see my pics)
Any advice on how to land no handers?

http://s203.photobucket.com/albums/aa247/crazy1291/

More pics^^

Your numbers are way off. The 525 KTM MSRP is $9499, the Outlaw 525 is $7199, and the Raptor is $7399. The Ohlins that are stock on the KTM are not there best shock, and will still need to be rebuilt for your style racing. That's another $700-$800 to the price. The KTM is a sweet quad so don't get me wrong. But you can get a real good deal on a Outlaw for much less then $7200 then you will for a deal with the KTM. Plus, the KTM only has a 30 day warrenty. Plus, the Fox Podium X shocks that are on a Outlaw are not much difference then the Ohlins. In fact, I read the 09's KTM will also have Fox shocks. I race my Outlaw on rebuilt Fox shocks that would make the stock Ohlins look bad, and they were much less then $2000.

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08 Outlaw 525s
03 250EX
05 LTZ 250
http://community.webshots.com/...EtXgAk?327">XC Quad</a>

Well i guess it depends on where you look for the bike personally for me i can get the bike OTD for $8,900 and i could get the ohilns shocks rebuilt for my weight for 200 dollars but i guess you are right the average is usually higher then that. Do you guys know if they are going to make a MX version of the KTM 525?

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GOIN THE BIGGEST

Rebuilt for your weight for $200? That is one heck of a deal. The springs alone would run that much. Who is doing them for you?

And you can get an Outlaw 525S for $5,699 here The only other fee is the $12 title fee. $3200 will buy 1 heck of a lot of mods. Especially when you are starting out with the same engine.

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2007 525 Outlaw
2007 500 Predator LE
Yamaha Raptor 350, 2007 Polaris Outlaw 90, 2006 Polaris Predator 90, Yamaha 50 Raptor, Jetmoto 150.

Yamaha FZX 700 FAZER (my open air rocket)
Jaguar S-type V-8 Sport Edition (my airconditioned rocket)
GMC Yukon XL Denali

Now I have no idea what a BB kit on a 525 would cost but I bet that with that 3200, you could build that outlaw to 580 or 600cc or something and smoke the KTM.

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Jacob
06 DS250
-nerf bars
-Can Am "DS" bumper
-coming: eventually, probly next summer/spring, Durablue +4 Axle, Dynojet Jet Kit

Only Tricks i can do so far are no footers (see my pics)
Any advice on how to land no handers?

http://s203.photobucket.com/albums/aa247/crazy1291/

More pics^^

My freind will do them for me he actually owns his own buisines and he is giving me a 100 dollar discount its usually about 300 dollars but i would totally get the outlaw if it it was 5600 i am trying to get 5000 for my quad rite now that about pays for that quad but i wont be able to mod it for a while because i was planning to pay payments on the ktm i cant pay payments on suspension,exhaust, the new airbox ext. Dont wanna do that i have been on both quad several times dont like the suspension on the outlaw at all the suspension on the ktm is way better there is no comparison. And my freind has the same ohlins suspension on his 450r and it is the best feeling suspension ive ever been on so im thinking still to go with the ktm and spend the 200 to get them rebuilt for my weight. I think that bike will pay off in the end the most.

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GOIN THE BIGGEST

it probably wasnt set up for your weight on the outlaw.

And about the payment thing, dont you feel like a real sucker to be paying 21% interest? I mean, they're really f***ing with you when you pay monthly payments, you end up paying almost double for the quad.

The ktm is tall and skinny, the outlaw is wide. That settles it 4 me.

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Jacob
06 DS250
-nerf bars
-Can Am "DS" bumper
-coming: eventually, probly next summer/spring, Durablue +4 Axle, Dynojet Jet Kit

Only Tricks i can do so far are no footers (see my pics)
Any advice on how to land no handers?

http://s203.photobucket.com/albums/aa247/crazy1291/

More pics^^

Whatever everyone has there own opinion but from what i have heard and read in the tests that the mags did other then the price the ktm is a far more superior machine and if you can afford it i would def choose that over the outlaw. Its also a 1st year quad im gonna wait tell the 09 models come out i am hoping they make a mx version of the 525. And if not see what improvements they make to the xc version

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GOIN THE BIGGEST

to be honest I'm not a big fan of either one and the ergonomics they bring to the table....

Polaris never seems to get this part right for my taste, they always feel wide in the saddle, spread out and almost clunky and patched together....

the KTM not so ironically feels like an MX bike, narrow and tall in the saddle......

if I had to choose I would go with the KTM simply because it comes with more goodies stock and though it feels narrow the wheelbase says otherwise and the center of gravity seems OK.....

but IMO no one gets close to Suzuki and Honda for ergonomics except perhaps Yamaha.....they are different but still comfortable and nice..... with all that said ergonomics are a very personal thing.... they dictate your ability to give and receive input to and from the machine......but they are also dependent on what you are used to, your body type, your ability and what kind of riding you do......

I would buy whichever you feel more comfortable on.... not which one is supposedly better or faster or might have 3 more HP ....etc..... if think thing feels like crap and you cannot take advantage of it's handling then it does not matter......

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'05 Zuki z400
'06 Raptor 350 (wife's)
'00 Honda Rancher 350 4x4