i dont get why 2 strokes are so bad i love riding them they have a power that you can not find any were else. i also no plenty of people that own two strokes and can not aford to go out and buy a 4 stroke. i think it is the dumbest thing ever. there are plenty of other things in the world to think about dont u think?

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There are lists of things to think about! The two strokes burn oil and of course the epa shut them down!

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I do medical research, and this is the kind of thing that we sit around thinking about....so don't mistake me for some kind of wacho environmentalist.

I have two buddies who's wives grew up on 2-strokes...and grew up riding behind other 2-strokes breathing their exhaust. Both of these women got breast cancer, and at a relatively young age!

These are young women in their prime, with little kids...and lucily both of them have survived now several years out from surgery and chemo....

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Desert: 450R
Trail: 400EX
Technical Trail: Rancher 420 and 350 4X4's
Kids: Two 250EX's and 90
Dual-Sport Bike: XT225

Past rides: 300EX, 2wd Rancher 350, Recon, TRX90, Z400, LT160, LT80, Warrior, Blaster, CRF230F

Edited: 10/31/2007 at 08:26 AM by reconranger

You've got to be kidding me right? The reason these women have breast cancer is because of a little premix? I've heard it all now!

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Edited: 10/31/2007 at 08:39 AM by motox26

Not to dispute any research you're doing, but we can also draw another conclusion.

Women who have or had breast cancer may have been sitting in traffic with the window down. I'd bet the toxins were more abundant and concentrated there.

Odds are, the family history had more of a role than the 2 stroke.

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A man needs a wife. You can't blame everything on the government.

Kudos Recon. This is now one of the most bizarre statements you have ever made.

I think the tree huggers would of used it as ammo to kill the 2 smokes if it was even remotely possible.

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Obey Gravity....It's the law!

Nothing like the smell of Klotz 118 Octane racing fuel.

Hey reconranger,

You are a helpful guy around here, so I got your back. You did not state there was a specific correlation between inhaling 2 stroke fumes and breast cancer, now did you? The other blokes here took two statements and drew their own conclusion based on the fact two statements just happened to be in the same post.. and the same paragraph.

As a professional researcher you are charged with coming up with many different hypothesis and this might have been just one of many falling out of an informal coffee break brainstorming but certainly not from any scientifically backed research.

Take care.

And you got to that conclusion how?

No one is saying he isn't helpful. Pretty sure if you had a question about the 400ex or the 420 he would have a good idea of the answer.

But to post something like that, and not draw the conclusion that he is indeed comparing the two, well, I guess I missed that day on comparative reasoning.

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A man needs a wife. You can't blame everything on the government.

Because it was a personal observation and not backed up with any reference to any peer group vetted scientific research. Maybe there are such studies and we surely know intuitively that sucking a bunch of two stroke smoke can not be good for your heath but I've not read that gardeners who strap two stroke blowers on their backs all day or stand behind pushing two-stroke mowers or snowblowers or whatever have a decidedly higher rate of cancer incidence anywhere near the rate of 100%.

Geez. Lighten up. I'm sure he was not making this kind of comment in a recreational forum with a professional researcher's cap but rather an off the cuff personal anecdote and musing about the possibility of such a cause-effect relationship.

It could be your wife, your mother, your sister, your daughter.....

Some of you obviously don't seem to be able to handle anything more complicated than a "which one will go faster" kind of post...and that's OK, I was 12 years old once too!

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Desert: 450R
Trail: 400EX
Technical Trail: Rancher 420 and 350 4X4's
Kids: Two 250EX's and 90
Dual-Sport Bike: XT225

Past rides: 300EX, 2wd Rancher 350, Recon, TRX90, Z400, LT160, LT80, Warrior, Blaster, CRF230F

Edited: 10/31/2007 at 01:59 PM by reconranger

Already happened in our family.

Ya gotta admit, the which one is faster thread coincides just a tad more with the site in general.

I'm sure somehow, Honda will be credited with the cure here.

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A man needs a wife. You can't blame everything on the government.

I guess I am use to throwing ideas like this around with doctors and medical students, so I never imagined that the level of ignorance was so great out there! Just shows how far behind American education is in the sciences!

There is a very plausable connection here folks. There are numerous examples of occupational/environmental factors causing cancer, so don't act like a bunch of stupid redneck hillbillies and think this isn't possible. These ladies both grew up from childhood riding 2-strokes, so their exposure may have been crucial at some point during their breast development (pre-puberty??).

A classic example is that chimney sweeps in England all came down with testicular cancer. It was found that the soot which is full of all kinds of toxic chemicals, stuck to the skin of their balls, and that was the cause.

Hell, everybody knows about cigarettes smoking causeing cancer. Even you guys should be able to figure this one out.......

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Desert: 450R
Trail: 400EX
Technical Trail: Rancher 420 and 350 4X4's
Kids: Two 250EX's and 90
Dual-Sport Bike: XT225

Past rides: 300EX, 2wd Rancher 350, Recon, TRX90, Z400, LT160, LT80, Warrior, Blaster, CRF230F

Edited: 10/31/2007 at 02:57 PM by reconranger

Ok, it's plausable.

So instead of banning 2 strokes, we can ban women on, or following 2 strokes.

Will the medical community accept that as a solution?

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A man needs a wife. You can't blame everything on the government.

Don't you just love his backhanded, my chit don't stink, comments like this? Honda and Southern California are usual his main things throw around, at least this is new.



What cracks me up, is that "some" ignorant fools come with these wild ideas, and if we listen to all of them, well pretty much we can't have anything or do anything, because these morons claim EVERYTHING gives you cancer! Whaaaaah, you're not going to cheat death, we're all going to die, try and live somewhat healthy and play the cards your dealt!




Guys, I just heard that wrapping yourself in pillows can give men prostate cancer. CHIT, we can't even do that now!

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-'06 KLX110 PitBike



Edited: 10/31/2007 at 03:50 PM by motox26

Uh, that's biting pillows Moto.

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A man needs a wife. You can't blame everything on the government.

Using facts from the American Cancer Society, and estimated 210,820 NEW cases of female breast cancer will be diagnosed this year. This doesn't include existing cases.

I'm sure the pharmaceutical companies are gonna be crawling over each other to invest in a study where they have 2 people that MAY have gotten cancer from an exhaust of a vehicle operated in a well ventilated area.

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A man needs a wife. You can't blame everything on the government.

I guess you can doubt this source for the numbers.

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A man needs a wife. You can't blame everything on the government.

i dont think it was the emmissions that made them start getting rid of two strokes. look at some outboard boat motors they are 2 stroke. i read somewhere that BRPs 2 stroke motors were more epa compliant than their 4 stroke motors. something to think about.

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STOCK

Sorry we cant converse on the same level as you and your highly educated buddies reconranger. I barely made it out of HS.

I do wonder what percentage of women with breast cancer have been exposed to 2 stroke smoke? If we just use the 2 you know of its gonna be pretty small.

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Ahhh yes my friend, and then there is The Phantom.....the most supreme organisim ever to type words of such eloquence in these vast forums. The only one which no one can outsmart, out speak or outlast here in the ATV connections...

Now, is there a correlation that could corroberate and substantiate the statement that 2 stroke emissions could be a cause of breast cancer??? Very likely as we have seen that there are new causes found every day and every other day a current cause is debunked. Reconranger may be right, but I think dangerous ground is being walked upon when somoene in our grand sport decides to publicize and specify our great sport as being a cancer causing element. We have enough obsticles to overcome that adding fuel to the fire is not the most intelligent thing one could do.

The Phantom....doesn't do this nearly enough anymore....Rider

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