Laws are changing!!! The trails you ride today, will be locked up tomorrow. Think you'll just sell your quad. Good luck! Who'll buy something just to put it in the garage?

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07 outlaw 525
07 Raptor 350

Must be a tree hugger in disguise?

We will always have places to ride in Michigan as long as we fight the greenies and their sister tree huggers. WE MUST ALSO POLICE OUR OWN AND MAKE SURE THEY DO THE RIGHT THINGS WHEN RIDING.If you sit around and WATCH your area's get closed down, your part of the PROBLEM. Get out and get INVOLVED!

hey if we pay taxes why do u really care about atv's. do u call the police when harleys drive by. their a heck of alot louder!

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Most of the regulations are developing as a result of safety issues and property distruction. Do your part! and the issues are not as serious. Ride responsibly and safely and get involved with helping. Education is a big key for these issues. If you can't do anything to help, at least don't be part of the problem - drive safely and don't destroy other peoples property - show some responsibility on your own and encourage others to do the same then governmnet isn't going to have to step in and mandate. It took a few to ruin it for the rest, let these few know that you don't appreciate what they did to ruin your sport. Don't blame government - put the blame where is should be (ourselves).
Here is a suggestion - if eveyone printed just 5 signs on a computer and put them in plastic covers and posted them all over the trails that would help. "DRIVE RESPONSIBLY AND SAFELY OR BOTH YOU AND I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO USE THIS TRAIL" If just 100 people did that then that is 500 signs out on the trails to serve as reminders.

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Being locked out is going to happen. It's law now! Has to be in effect by 2009. All U.S.A. public land. your riding will be very restricted. Better do some research before you loose it. Email, fax, call write letters. Or say goodbye to your hobbie.

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07 outlaw 525
07 Raptor 350

Here is what I do and I don't care what anyone thinks. If I see an irresponsible rider, riding without a baffel or off a designated trail or tearing up property needlessly, or an under aged child on a trail unsupervised by a guardian, I write down there registration and send it to the Warden Service.
Is it squealing - damn straight it is. And I don't give a rats-ass what people think of that. These irrespnsibles have ruined my sport thus far and I am fighting back and telling them that they are not going to continue to ruin it. And if I can get their sorry butts off the trails then I will. I don't go looking for it but if I run across it I just don't say to myself "It is none of my business what they do", because it is my business. They are ruining my sport and I will ruin their day if I can.
And when the Game Warden visits their house and gives them a written warning, a ticket or impounds their machine or has a little talk with a guardian - guess what - makes them stop and think next time as to who is watching. And it is not just a 'hide and go seek' game with the authorities.
You irrisponsibles have ruined it for me and now it is my turn to take a 'wack' at you. And I am not going to sit idle and allow you to ruin it any more than you already have. So if you can't ride responsible and safely then don't let me see it, because I will turn your sorry butt in. Because I am not going to cry about it later, and complain that government has issued more mandates and taken my sport away.

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We deal with irresponsible riders every may 24th and labour day here too. Most of them when confronted about their behaviors will appologise and then are more or less trouble free for the rest of the weekend. There are plenty places around where you can "tear it up" so it doesn't need to be on congested trails and near peoples dwellings (even if it is a cabin).

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Buckaroo......the current Access travel management plan being put into place has nothing to do with safety or property destruction. It is a plan that does only one thing and that is to deny access. The plan is not just ATV but car, pickup, motorcycle and so on. If put into action (or should I say when) there will be 6000 miles automatically placed off limits to motorized use. In Oregon the USFS is the manager of the public land and "game wardens" only deal with wildlife. It sounds like use might be heavier in your part of the world. The places I ride the only person to see any signs I post would be me. The access travel management plan is nationwide on public land. The miles involved are different but the result is the same.......You will only travel routes designated by the USFS. On the Wallowa-Whitman National Forest we are supposed to be content because they are perfectly willing to designate 120 miles for use.......
Does Maine have National Forests designated? Yes it does. Contact a district ranger office and ask for a copy of the Access Travel Management Plan. I think you would find it interesting..........Tass

Tass............is so right. Keep turning in people. I think that is great! If thney can't respect it get them out of there. But you have all ready lost your right to ride on public land. Thats right lost the right! Check it out like Tass said.

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07 outlaw 525
07 Raptor 350

Muddy4life.........In reading some other posts it seems that the majority of any access on Michigans Ottowa National forest has come to an end. The access travel management plan is the tool that was used........The idea there will always be places to ride if we fight the greenies and the enviros only works if we win the fight......we are not, we are not even in the game.....perhaps it would be beneficial to check with a district forest ranger....Things are not always as they appear........Tass

A lot of Maine is owned by paper companies. For just one example "Plum Creek" has allowed 150 miles of trails on their lands in just the Solon/Bingham area alone (maybe a 40 x 40 square mile piece of land). Other paper companies are doing a similar thing. They have even built trails and bridges for ATV's at their expense. All they ask is that we respect their property and stay on the trails and to stay out of work areas, and they post big 8' by 4' signs designating a 'work area'. They can close it at anytime if they choose too - it is private property. You can fish, hunt and camp on their lands also - keep it clean, don't destroy, take your trash home with you and don't burn the forest down. With people that nice why would you want to not comply with their wishes. But 3 riders did and entered a work area, someone had a cell phone and within minutes the Game wardens, state police, and sheriff's where there and the 3 were caught and their machines impounded on the spot. It just goes to show that there are a few that no matter what, they are just not going to show respect or be responsible. These are the people that we need to get off the trails for good. And I would turn them in, in a heartbeat. I will work with the paper companies to help police or any other property owner that opens up their lands to include the State own lands. It they are going to help me by providing a place to ride then I will certainly 'scratch their backs', and help protect their property.

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In Maine Game Wardens have the most authority, over State Police, Sheriff's etc, they are also Fenderally sworn (federal agents) and can cross state lines. They can bust you for just about anything they want and they can go right into another state to get you too. You don't want to be messing with a Maine Game Warden.

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The Game Wardens sound much like the description of Federal Marshalls. I don't think Oregons are empowered to that extent but I am not sure it wouldn't be a good idea.....They are at least out on the land and for the most part are local residents and not USFS employees just moving through the land till retirement.
We also have large blocks of private land in Eastern Oregon. The largest one being Boise Capitol. They were allowing use of a beautiful tract of land on Mt. Emily untill abuse ( ATV,Motorcycle, and pickups) of the land caused them to change their position..........It is now locked. If individuals choose to violate good manners and common sense they need to be reported, caught, and penalized. If they are abusing the ground they are also abusing us.........Tass

Oregon game officers are state policemen. Just have differnt training. I have a friend that is one. Had to become a stste police officer and then got the fish and game training.

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07 outlaw 525
07 Raptor 350

A little off topic but....
All the Game Wardens in Maine that I have met are very nice. More so than some State or Town Police that sometimes have a Barney Fife demeaner with a Gestapo attitude.
Yesterday I hit a check point with Game Wardens as well as several other people, well this one young fellow (20-25 yrs old) did not have a baffel in his sport bike. The Game Warden appologized to them for disrupting their ride for the check point. Cautioned them to be careful, that there were cars and trucks on the dirt roads traveling to and from camp sites and fishing etc. He said "I won't hold you up, now go and enjoy the rest of your ride and the day, and I hope the next time I see your bike there is a baffel in it." To me that did more for the learning process for that young fellow than to give him a ticket and putting a sour taste in his mouth.
You can talk with Game Wardens and they will tell you where the good fishing is etc, if you are low on gas they will give you some gas, most carry 5-10 gal of gas in their pickups. And it is the way it should be. The people like the Warden service as apposed to some other agencies.

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Tass,
we've always had restrictions for ORV use in ANY of our 4 Natioanl forests here in Michigan, that is NOTHING new to us.

In addition to our current 3000 miles of trails, we legislatively just got approved for an additional 800 more miles of trails to be put on the ground. In addition to that, HB 4323 was just currently passed thru the House by a vote of 107-0 to allow each Michigan County or Township the authority to allow ORV use on the shoulders of their County roadways.

All the above would not be possible if we sat on our butts and did'nt face the greeneies/enviro wackies and the DNR, face/face...

We dont just sit on our butts here in Michigan and WAIT for others to do the work that needs to be done to protect our sport.

Excuse me for asking for help for a situation taking place in the remainder of the USA. It is wonderful that Michigan takes such wonderful care of its ATV folks........Tass

We will always have places to ride in Michigan as long as we fight the greenies and their sister tree huggers. WE MUST ALSO POLICE OUR OWN AND MAKE SURE THEY DO THE RIGHT THINGS WHEN RIDING.If you sit around and WATCH your area's get closed down, your part of the PROBLEM. Get out and get INVOLVED--END OF QUOTE*


Now what part of my original post dont you understand?

Your posts are quite clear. Please take a moment to review the posts in "They just closed Factory Butte in Utah" particularly the posts by "wolvydude". He seems to indicate a different picture on at least one forest in Michigan. My posts are an attempt to get individuals to make sure they know what is happening in reference to the Access Travel Management Plan........Then get involved and make some noise. If it is a collective noise making there might be some hope, otherwise it will be as wolvydude indicates happened on the Ottawa and what is currently taking place on the Wallowa-Whitman........Tass

Chickenlips... is there a website or paper document or something that I can see for myself. To no offense to you, I just want to see it. Thanks,

Z

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The information I posted in that thread is, unfortunately, quite accurate. I got the information straight from the horses mouth, so to speak. Individuals who were actively fighting to keep as much of the Ottawa NF open as possible. They were there when the ax fell. With a stroke of a pen, the Ottawa went from 90% open to atv travel to 90% closed. Countless miles of old, abandoned logging and mining roads that made for spectacular riding are now untouchable. I will still be there to ride the few token areas of the Ottawa that are still open to atv's, but it will only be a shadow of it's former self. This is a subject I would love to be wrong about, but I'm not...

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