
05/29/2007 07:15 AM
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ajd187
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Kyle Clark (Savannah, N.Y.) - A Wayne County man faces a felony charge for laying a booby trap in his neighborhood. Police think one of the people he was trying to catch is a local judge.
All terrain vehicles (ATVs) racing along a dirt path behind Mike Fagner's property in Savannah were noisy and annoying. So he decided to do something about it.
Investigators say he took a thin piece of metal wire and built himself a booby trap.
"It was a booby trap. That's a good way to put it," said District Attorney Rick Healy who is prosecuting Fagner for reckless endangerment. "It's really a bizarre story. I've never seen anything like this before."
Police said Fagner tied one end of the wire to an anchor bolt on a warehouse and tied the other end to a tree. In between lay the path of the fast-moving ATVs.
"And it was at neck level. So this is the kind of thing that could have killed somebody easily," Healy said.
Somebody Special?
Fagner's neighbor told police Fagner said it "wouldn't hurt his feelings" if the booby trap's victim was ATV rider and Town Justice Ed Teneyck.
"Because apparently he ruled against him in a civil case," Healy said.
A grand jury will decide if Fagner was actually targeting the judge.
"That could bring an attempted assault, attempted murder," Healy said.
Fagner reportedly admitted to police he set the trap.
"I don't know what this guy was thinking," Healy said.
Teneyck did not return a request for comment. Because of his involvement, Fagner's case is being heard in another town court.
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05/29/2007 07:40 AM
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95wolv
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Any one who would intentionally put out a device that could easily kill you is a murderer, plain and simple. A board with nails or a hole is one thing, but a thin wire at neck height has only one purpose, to cut through flesh, and possibly remove the head. When I was 9, my dad had to stop for a snowmobile accident, a guy had cut across a field and went under an electric fence, took his head clean off, still in the helmet.
I can see anger at illegal driving across your property, but death as a punishment?
How would you feel if Dad was taking 5 year old Timmy for a ride, and the wire took off the child's head?? Some of these "nature protectors" scare me, I have seen web sites devoted to deadly booby trap making to "discourage" off road riding, knowing severe injury or death could result. Tree huggers see ATV injuries as a victory to them, reinforcing the "deadly, destructive nature" of the off road hobby. I am not saying we should have uncontrolled access everywhere, we need to balance our intrusions into nature, some areas can easily take a steady traffic of vehicles and not be compromised, while others are damaged beyond belief by only a couple of tracks. Legal, maintained riding areas are vital to keep ATVs off restricted and delicate areas, but a few bad apples continue to give us all a bad name, and encourage the " nature patrol" to act out against us with laws and outright attacks with traps and other methods. I say punish all equally, you ride in a banned area, you get fined or jailed, you put up an illegal fence or a trap, you get arrested for assault or even attempted murder. Leave nature for the hikers and campers, and give us good trails to ride, and everyone could be happy. Sorry for the rant, but some topics really set me off, and this is one of them.
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05/29/2007 03:49 PM
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Mr. Exceptional
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That's pretty messed up man. I don't think anything like that has ever happened where I live...that I know of.
But that would take someones head off if they were going fast enough. He is a murderer.
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07/02/2007 02:05 PM
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DustyJones
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The scary thing is how much worse this story could've been.
Does anyone know how the booby trap was discovered before it hurt/ killed anybody?
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08/23/2007 04:29 PM
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Krissibare
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How'd you feel if someone zoomed past you and your 2 year old child on their four wheeler with no intentions of slowing down and almost hitting your child??
Get both sides of the story before assuming that EVERYTHING you read it correct!
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08/23/2007 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by: Krissibare
How'd you feel if someone zoomed past you and your 2 year old child on their four wheeler with no intentions of slowing down and almost hitting your child??
Get both sides of the story before assuming that EVERYTHING you read it correct!
Isn't that an assumption in itself?
Interesting first post to the forums, I must say.
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08/23/2007 05:39 PM
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Krissibare
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I'm not assuming anything if thats what your trying to say b/c I am the wife of the man ya'll are speaking of. I knew first hand of what truly happend. The case was dropped so apparently not all what you hear in the paper is true.
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08/23/2007 06:58 PM
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KINGQUAD450
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The same thing happened in my grandpal's woods back in the late 70's.
Caught the neighbor's brother in the helemt and threw him clean off the bike.It was a wonder he wasn't hurt.We are pretty sure who put it up but there was no way to prove it was him.
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08/23/2007 08:19 PM
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Williebee
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KINGQUAD450 was your grandpa's wood's posted land , and was he having trouble with trespasser's can you give us a little more info on this story ? .....................
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08/24/2007 05:17 AM
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KINGQUAD450
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He didn't put the wire up someone else put it up on his land.They actually had permission to ride there.
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08/24/2007 05:20 AM
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Krissibare
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yeah well in this case.. this land is posted. NO ONE had permission to ride on this property. so like I stated before. you all need both sides of the story before calling me husband a murderer.
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08/24/2007 05:23 AM
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Krissibare
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and another thing. It states it was hung neck level. FALSE! it was just low test wire. hung losely and the tallest height of the wire measured to approx 30 inches (as told by the person who found the wire)
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08/24/2007 07:45 AM
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So why don't we get to hear the whole story?
You post bits and pieces. Lets here it all.
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If it take more than 3 bolts to hold it on, it's probably crucial.
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08/24/2007 07:47 AM
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Originally posted by: Krissibare
and another thing. It states it was hung neck level. FALSE! it was just low test wire. hung losely and the tallest height of the wire measured to approx 30 inches (as told by the person who found the wire)
Put a 5 year old on a quad and measure to the neck.
Even more disgusting that something like that could be done by someone who claims to be protecting children.
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If it take more than 3 bolts to hold it on, it's probably crucial.
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08/24/2007 08:20 AM
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Originally posted by: Krissibare
How'd you feel if someone zoomed past you and your 2 year old child on their four wheeler with no intentions of slowing down and almost hitting your child??
Get both sides of the story before assuming that EVERYTHING you read it correct!
And your response would be to cut the riders head off?
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08/24/2007 08:20 AM
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Originally posted by: Scootergptx
Originally posted by: Krissibare
How'd you feel if someone zoomed past you and your 2 year old child on their four wheeler with no intentions of slowing down and almost hitting your child??
Get both sides of the story before assuming that EVERYTHING you read it correct!
Isn't that an assumption in itself?
Interesting first post to the forums, I must say.
Interesting Indeed.
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08/24/2007 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by: Krissibare
I'm not assuming anything if thats what your trying to say b/c I am the wife of the man ya'll are speaking of. I knew first hand of what truly happend. The case was dropped so apparently not all what you hear in the paper is true.
So why don't you tell us the true story?
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08/24/2007 08:22 AM
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Originally posted by: Krissibare
and another thing. It states it was hung neck level. FALSE! it was just low test wire. hung losely and the tallest height of the wire measured to approx 30 inches (as told by the person who found the wire)
And physics would start to apply when?
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08/24/2007 08:23 AM
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Originally posted by: Scootergptx
So why don't we get to hear the whole story?
You post bits and pieces. Lets here it all.
Where's Paul Harvey when you need him?
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08/24/2007 08:30 AM
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Originally posted by: Krissibare
I'm not assuming anything if thats what your trying to say b/c I am the wife of the man ya'll are speaking of. I knew first hand of what truly happend. The case was dropped so apparently not all what you hear in the paper is true.
Well I'm sure the court system in this country has never let a guilty person go free before.
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If it take more than 3 bolts to hold it on, it's probably crucial.
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08/24/2007 08:33 AM
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Krissibare
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This is the letter my husband gave to the D.A it tells the TRUE story of what happend! and let me just say, I NEVER will agree that my husband was right for doing what he did. I am just saying don't call someone a murderer if you don't know the entire story! Thanks,Kristin
When I came home from work a couple weeks prior to this, I found two kids on four wheelers making donuts at the end of my driveway. I asked them to please not drive their four wheelers around my house because the loud noise was disturbing my 2 small children when they took their naps and went to bed at night. Their four wheelers have after-market pipes and are extremely loud. A few days later, they started riding by my house again. They were deliberately trying to disturb us by revving the engines in front of my house. They would look towards the house to see who was watching as they passed. One of these four wheelers was bought from my neighbor Francis Steen, who knows the buyer personally.
Francis Steen and I were good friends. We would go to each others home and help each other whenever help was needed. I don't recall the complete conversation, but I told him about the wire. He called Ed TenEyck and reported the wire. I think Ed TenEyck saw this as an opportunity to place charges against me again. (There was as small claims court case against me concerning a baby sitting issue. The judgement was for the sitter.) Per Ed TenEyck's written statement, he said he had ridden on the railroad property also. I have a security camera focusing on the road and my driveway. He has never been seen on our camera by myself or my family. The only riders seen were a before mentioned four wheeler and a dirt bike.
Francis Steen told me the police couldn't do anything about the noise unless the riders were caught in the act. I was told it was illegal to ride on the railroad property and roadways, unless it was to go around an obstacle. Our road has no trails for off road vehicles, so the only reason they would ride down our road would be to get to the railroad property.
The night I placed the wire, I was very upset with the four wheelers. Just earlier that evening, I was on my dead end, normally very quiet street, teaching my daughter how to ride her bicycle. One of the four wheelers zipped passed us, and never even slowed down when they approached my daughter and I. This disregard of peoples safety would anger anyone, especially if their child was involved.
A couple days later, I woke up to find all 12 of my tires slashed. However, the tires on Francis Steen's trailor (parked next to my truck) was never touched. I called 911 and the State Police responded. The policeman asked me what I could have done to anger the person that slashed my tires. I told him about the four wheelers and the wire that I put up to stop the noise. The officer didn't offer any comments. I could have chosen not to say a thing about the wire, or denied putting it up, but I chose to tell the truth. I didn't realize that this piece of wire was illegal. If I had known about the trouble it would cause my family and I, I would not have put it up.
Since the episode, I have been asked why I didn't tie flags on the wire, or use a bright colored rope. It was a low test wire and I placed it low enough to be caught by the machines and then break, causing no harm to anyone but let the driver know he was not wanted here.
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