Here in Oregon the Senate is looking at a bill 049 to limit the age of riders for atv's. This is a huge impact on not only Oregonions, but all who like to vacation here on the coast or anywhere here and ride as a family. Please take a look at this link and write Sen. Bates asking him to not sponsor this bill any longer.




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Thank you
Patrick

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2007 FSW3200 loaded
2005 Z400,Alba pipe w/wisper tip,Filter,jet kit,Procom cdi,ELKA dune edition shocks, Powermadd handguards
2006 Z400,Same mods minus the elka's
2006 dvx400
Extreme 90, yoshi tri oval,k&n, Haulers, Sand star front tires.
2004.5 Cummins for the pullin the toyz

Edited: 01/18/2007 at 08:43 AM by ATV Connection Moderator

I'd rather it passed, hopefully to drive an intuitive requiring formal instruction and licensing of all off-road drivers of dirt bikes and ATVs on public lands who are too young to obtain an Oregon driver license.

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05 KQ

SHHHHHHHH dont let the lawmakers here in Arkansas hear that.

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88 quadzilla,KFX 700,300 bayou,blaster,moto100,trizinger 60, honda trx90

At the local swimming pool you have to show the life gaurd you can swim across the pool and back before you can go to the deep end. I don't mind seeing a little, like mandatory safety course for riders 15 and under or someting like that. However one size fits all does not apply in the reverse also. Most 12 to 15 year olds are to big for 90cc atv's. Where will the happy medium be? Here is a case where common sense should apply, however those of you that have been to the dunes know that it doesn't, so how do we police ourselves so that the goverment doesn't!
From my years in the sand it appears to me that the real problem is some of the younger adults who act like morons,pushing more and more negative light on the sport, heck almost all kids are more disciplined and way more courtious. maybe the goverment ought to regulate us adults instead of the kids
From what I read there is a lot of other issues at stake.

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KING QUAD 06 LTZ-400 04 EIGER 4X4 O2
CODY 05 Z 250
CODY 88 LT 80 MODDED NOW BACK BETTER THEN EVER
CARLY 04 LT 80 MODDED

We do a trip to Oregon Dunes every summer, and we spend lots of MONEY in Oregon! Our group has many kids under 12, all of whom have been riding since they were in diapers. I would venture to say that most are better riders than the average adult, but granted being kids they may lack perfect judgement at times. All have taken the rider safety course.

ATVing is a FAMILY thing for us and I know we would stay home if the kids couldn't ride with us, so you can pass that on to your elected representatives!

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Desert: 450R
Trail: 400EX
Technical Trail: Rancher 420 and 350 4X4's
Kids: Two 250EX's and 90
Dual-Sport Bike: XT225

Past rides: 300EX, 2wd Rancher 350, Recon, TRX90, Z400, LT160, LT80, Warrior, Blaster, CRF230F

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Originally posted by: reconranger
We do a trip to Oregon Dunes every summer, and we spend lots of MONEY in Oregon! Our group has many kids under 12, all of whom have been riding since they were in diapers. I would venture to say that most are better riders than the average adult, but granted being kids they may lack perfect judgement at times. All have taken the rider safety course.

ATVing is a FAMILY thing for us and I know we would stay home if the kids couldn't ride with us, so you can pass that on to your elected representatives!

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I'm certainly not against anyone spending their leisure time in Oregon or anywhere else, but let's be serious about the economic impact.

The majority of ATVers who visit Oregon Dunes, especially those with families, are pretty well self-contained. They're RVers, campers and such who bring the majority of their food, beverages, etc., leaving the remains in Oregon. Some souvenir t-shirts, maybe a meal or two out and possibly gasoline/diesel are the normal extent of their spending money in Oregon. Most Oregon residents and non-ATV oriented visitors avoid the dunes on any three day weekend and the abutting weekends like the plague.

I'm certainly not against anyone spending their leisure time in Oregon, but let's be serious about the economic impact.


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05 KQ

Just guessing here, but I am willing to bet that georged is one of those utility riders who doesn't really have much use for the typical sport quad riders that are likely to show up at the dunes..........

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Desert: 450R
Trail: 400EX
Technical Trail: Rancher 420 and 350 4X4's
Kids: Two 250EX's and 90
Dual-Sport Bike: XT225

Past rides: 300EX, 2wd Rancher 350, Recon, TRX90, Z400, LT160, LT80, Warrior, Blaster, CRF230F

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Originally posted by: reconranger
Just guessing here, but I am willing to bet that georged is one of those utility riders who doesn't really have much use for the typical sport quad riders that are likely to show up at the dunes..........

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To each his own. I don't care what anyone rides, that's their business. The topics were age of riders and visitor economic impact.



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05 KQ

To each is own! Hope you have your own property, because eventually that will be the only place left for you to ride.
Try to remember we are all on the same team. recon I think your right.

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KING QUAD 06 LTZ-400 04 EIGER 4X4 O2
CODY 05 Z 250
CODY 88 LT 80 MODDED NOW BACK BETTER THEN EVER
CARLY 04 LT 80 MODDED

Think of events like DuneFest. It is a Family event that has become very Family friendly over the past several years and that in it's self brings Thousands of dollars to the Coastal area's. It WILL make a huge Economic disadvantage to this state, being that they are trying to take The FAMILY out of FAMILY RECREATION. There are over 600,000 registered atvs in this state and If I can't take my entire family with me, I would not purchase a $55,000 trailer In OREGON, A $45,000 Truck to pull that trailer IN OREGON, the $20,000 in quads and equipment and riding gear. the aftermarket accessories and the fuel to get there, I'm just 1 family, multiply this by the thousands of families in OREGON and the one's that VISIT and the economic devastation would hurt our state.

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2007 FSW3200 loaded
2005 Z400,Alba pipe w/wisper tip,Filter,jet kit,Procom cdi,ELKA dune edition shocks, Powermadd handguards
2006 Z400,Same mods minus the elka's
2006 dvx400
Extreme 90, yoshi tri oval,k&n, Haulers, Sand star front tires.
2004.5 Cummins for the pullin the toyz

We usually have about 10 families and stay a minimum of one to two weeks, and are always carefull to avoid Dune Fest. We do park our rigs at a relatives campsite on 10 Mile Lake, so it is true we aren't spending money on either hotels or camping fees, but we do buy groceries, pizza, gas, parking fees at the dunes, fishing licenses, etc.........

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Desert: 450R
Trail: 400EX
Technical Trail: Rancher 420 and 350 4X4's
Kids: Two 250EX's and 90
Dual-Sport Bike: XT225

Past rides: 300EX, 2wd Rancher 350, Recon, TRX90, Z400, LT160, LT80, Warrior, Blaster, CRF230F

Edited: 01/30/2007 at 10:17 AM by reconranger

We must of vonviced him, he aint replied back

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KING QUAD 06 LTZ-400 04 EIGER 4X4 O2
CODY 05 Z 250
CODY 88 LT 80 MODDED NOW BACK BETTER THEN EVER
CARLY 04 LT 80 MODDED

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Originally posted by: reconranger
We usually have about 10 families and stay a minimum of one to two weeks, and are always carefull to avoid Dune Fest. We do park our rigs at a relatives campsite on 10 Mile Lake, so it is true we aren't spending money on either hotels or camping fees, but we do buy groceries, pizza, gas, parking fees at the dunes, fishing licenses, etc.........

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From a fiscal impact point of view ATV tourists provide negligible revenue for Oregon businesses and the state when
compared to traditional tourists who rent rooms, take all meals out at restaurants and also spend on attractions, licenses, etc. As an example, the Oregon lodging tax of 1% furnishes over $10M/yr in tax revenue from just motel/hotel/RV lodging. The visitor business revenue to generate just that tax revenue stream dwarfs visitor ATV family expenses who camp out (with or without a trailer).

The thread began with someone suggesting Oregonians write their elected reps to kill an ATV operator age limit bill. Then someone else jumped in with how Oregonians should stress to their reps the economic benefits of allowing children of all ages who visit Oregon to ride their ATVs with no restrictions.

Again, I don't care where or how people spend their leisure time. To make a statement that ATV visitor financial impact is of enough importance to kill legislation of age limitation for ATV riders is just plain ridiculous. Tax revenue from safety courses to license those ATVers without state driver licenses (from any state) would also dwarf groceries, pizza and gas expenditures by ATV visitors and residents.

If Oregon was smart, and thanks to those who overstate their own individual importance this is a letter I will write, Oregon should be collecting a hefty registration tax on all out-of-state ATVers/dirt bikes who use Oregon facilities, as other states have done for years, and push ATV classes/licensing for Oregonians under state driver licensing age.

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05 KQ

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Originally posted by: quadduck
We must of vonviced him, he aint replied back

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Nah, the weather here has been absolutely perfect for outdoor activities so forums lose my attention.



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05 KQ

I wonder, does someone belong to the seirra club. Give me a break does he even really own a quad\ride a quad?
The mole has been discovered!

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KING QUAD 06 LTZ-400 04 EIGER 4X4 O2
CODY 05 Z 250
CODY 88 LT 80 MODDED NOW BACK BETTER THEN EVER
CARLY 04 LT 80 MODDED

Michigan already has age limits.. see http://www.offroad-ed.com/mi/handbook/

So who is the mole?

Actually the money spent does affect the local economy where the atv'ers stay & ride.

Claiming otherwise is just stupid.

Will age limits hurt, just like any regulations, yes in some way it will.


Motorsports



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"Sorry if anything I posted caused you any offense or pain"

Edited: 02/12/2007 at 02:08 PM by Motorsports

What states make you pay extra??? We've went to Idaho, never paid anything extra. Going to Utah this summer and we don't have to pay extra to ride there?? Do you have any idea what this law could do the thousands of families that own quads and the wonderful quality time they get to spend together with eachother and friends in groups enjoying theiswonderful state we live in?? What kind of person would want to take this away from kids? Kids can swim in any body of water and it's the parents job to make sure they won't sink....they can walk down the street and it's the parents job to make sure then know how to cross without gettting ran over....it is our job to keep out kids safe not the State of Oregon. We need to all pull together and make sure that they realize what a mistake this is for Oregon and the people that live here!

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2003 Z-400
2001 Polaris Scrambler 400
2000 Banshee
2000 E-ton 90

Sir I am a bit taken back by your input here. How is it possible that visitors to the dunes to not substantiate economical impact. Are you sure you're drinking good water?
I don't mean to be insubordinate, but seriously do you get out? This is not a few campers in tents, the dunes area is booked almost a year in advance - every camp ground during the spring and summer. Hotels are booked more than not, this is one area you don't find cheep rates during these months. Restaurants are packed, and the gas, well suffice to say these aren't hybrids being driven, no trucks pulling toy haulers or motor homes with cargo trailers. Not just Groceries and firewood but everything in the stores are moving from the shelves, and this all happens in areas of depressed economies.


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Predator 06 TLD

way to go sandflicker, you are correct. Look forward to seeing you at the Temporaryinsandity Meeting on the 10th.

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2007 FSW3200 loaded
2005 Z400,Alba pipe w/wisper tip,Filter,jet kit,Procom cdi,ELKA dune edition shocks, Powermadd handguards
2006 Z400,Same mods minus the elka's
2006 dvx400
Extreme 90, yoshi tri oval,k&n, Haulers, Sand star front tires.
2004.5 Cummins for the pullin the toyz

Some of these people are starting to really get to me with their personal observations which may (or may not) be accurate, and they try to pass it off to others as valuable information. It isn't , and it is wrong to spred propaganda.

I'll see you at the meeting, and am looking forward to it too.

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Predator 06 TLD

Hmmmm I doubt it is possible to really get a handle on the dollar figures unless you have them from the state in front of you. I suspect that if you canvassed the local merchants, you might get a difference in opinion regarding the actual impact. Some may say it is significant, while others may tell you it is very little.
Administering a state program of registration etc costs money too.... you can't plan on making large amounts of money to be used for trail building without adding up the costs involved. All states are different. I know that WI will require you to register your machine there and pay the tax difference if you come from a state that does not register ATV's. And there are quite a few out there that do not.
As for the age versus size argument.. that is one debate that has been argued for many years. I have come full circle on it. I agree there has to be some limitations. I also agree that kids being larger than they were when the original CPSC guidelines were developed might suggest that some treaking occur... However one thing that has not changed is the mental capacity that kids at certain ages posess. What I think the real ANSWER is would be for the manufacturers to wake up and build a larger frame machine with the smaller engine class to power it. THAT more than anything would be a MAJOR improvement. Kids will have fun on anything. Witness the resurgence of the powered scooters. Nothing says they need to be able to fly through the air... and it keeps them off full size machines.
Making them take a safety course is good business. The really hard thing to do is find people willing and able to teach them in a reasonable amount of time. Here isn VA, it is hard to find enough instructors to teach...

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