OK guys... chime in here and let me know what you think.
I won't be racing with this quad... just thrashing woods trails mostly.
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well if you're doing wood trails then u gotta get the outlaw, i don't have one but i heard there amazing on trails cause of the irs, and they're really fast, not that the predetor isn't, but if theres a money thing, the predator is a good choice too, no doubt
jumbofrank
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Outlaw. No doubt about it. But I'm spoiled from 11 years of Cadillacs, I mean Sportsmans.
I have arthritis in every single vertabrae of my neck and back. If I didn't have IRS I wouldn't ride at all. Getting old sucks, especially when you get arthritis at age 20 or younger.
------------------------- 2006 Sportsman 500 EFI with winch, Glacier Plow, Lock & Ride backrest, front brushguard, rear bumper, 8" rear rack extension, thumb-warmer, 3-headlight kit, RAM mount for Garmin GPS 12.
Evo 2X 50cc 2-speed powerboard (scooter) with Power Pipe, velocity stack, ADA Racing air filter, bigger drive gear. Only 55 pounds with 6 HP.
2001 Chevy Siverado half-ton 4x4, regular cab, long bed, Leer fiberglass cap, an old mutt in the passenger seat.
Between these two particular choices, price is not even a consideration, and I refuse to let it be.
Both quads have the 500cc mill... I don't think I care about that. I mean I like the KTM in the newer ones... but I'm thinking the maintenance might be higher... and I'm just wanting something that will run forever with a little gas and oil.
Both quads seem to be pretty similar other than cosmetics and the rear suspension setup. The Pred may have better tires and wheels... and maybe the TLD has a better tranny setup???
Cosmetically I like the Outlaw much better, and since I first looked at one a while back I've been leaning that direction. I haven't been able to not consider it since I saw the video. The clearance underneath is so nice, the traction should be superb, and now that I'm not 20 anymore I'm thinking it may ride better.
Here are my concerns....
#1 - More complicated rear setup, more stuff to break, etc...
#2 - Will I like the IRS with my flick it around style of riding?
There are several atv's out there that I can flick through tight woods with body english, throttle control and clutch work.... meaning I can make them go where I want spinning/sliding/etc rather than "steering" with the handlebars. I've never ridden the IRS setup to know how it performs and responds.
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The IRS does handle diff. but after some practice you will be able to do the same thing. It may take time but once you get used to it you should have no prob. doing the same type ridding. As for the KTM engine, I have heard nothing but praise and how bulletproof this engine is. But since it is an 06 it will not have the ktm.
If you have a chance to ride an IRS quad you will love it. If you ride mainly trails I would go with IRS.
jumbofrank
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When my friend had a straight shaft utility quad it wasn't any easier to toss around than the independent suspension. I imagine the same is true for sport quads. And if we can do what we do with big utility quads, I don't think an Outlaw would be any problem. My moron brother said you can't do sidekicks with a 4x4 but he was wrong. You can sidekick, powerslide, whatever you want but it's not as nice as a sport quad on the tight twisty stuff. Too much weight to toss around.
------------------------- 2006 Sportsman 500 EFI with winch, Glacier Plow, Lock & Ride backrest, front brushguard, rear bumper, 8" rear rack extension, thumb-warmer, 3-headlight kit, RAM mount for Garmin GPS 12.
Evo 2X 50cc 2-speed powerboard (scooter) with Power Pipe, velocity stack, ADA Racing air filter, bigger drive gear. Only 55 pounds with 6 HP.
2001 Chevy Siverado half-ton 4x4, regular cab, long bed, Leer fiberglass cap, an old mutt in the passenger seat.
Well, I'm a preddy fan and you would think I would recommend them, but I think you would be much better off with an outlaw. Especially since you said you had lower back problems and the irs would give you some relief. Also, the ground clearance is quite impressive for a sport quad. If you did a lot of sand riding or mx, then you might consider the preddy. I was in a similar situation and decided to buy the sp800 for trails and the preddy for the track/dunes/flight time....etc....
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I don't think the mud is that deep....!!!
Does anyone own a ktm dirt bike in here???? I have only one dealer in town and its a ktm and can am dealer. Everyone in town buys the dirt bikes i dont see alot of the can am atvs around though. I see them selling the bikes after about 2 years i even seen a 08 too stroke for sale on main road. I have no idea why but it could be cause of parts and rebuilds being to much money or reliability problems. I have taken a look at the outlaws there sweet ass atvs but as for a weekend rider i dont know if there just a start up and go machine. Mantainence might be high along with ktm parts prices. I have a friend the has an 04 yfz 450 with just a slip on. All he does is change the oil. He dosent garage it either just a kiddie pool and tarp. It gets snowed a ton here on and it starts right up. If you want a trail machine with low running costs get a 4x4 atv they are more versitile. Just check the belt and change the oil and ride. Im even intrested in the outlaw cause know one has one around these parts i want bragging rights. My women will kill me and i want to put money in gas, skids, pipe, nerf bars, and performance mods. Not parts and high maintainence. My advantage would be the ktm dealer though. If you work and live at home with your parents wich i expect alot of the people are doing in some of these forums get it and rail it. If you are on a budget be conservative.
Good post... and I have a bit to add for you and all...
There is a guy here that knows me well that works for a Polaris dealer. He and I have had a couple of really good conversations this year, and we just had one today.
He knows if this was years ago that I would have been #1 on his list for a KTM 450XC or 525XC (also a KTM dealer) no doubt about it. But it's not years ago, and he understands too. He also knew full well he had no chance of seeing any of my money too, as he knows I've found some new late models, which cut him out on price.
According to him, the KTM and Honda race engines ARE higher maintenance. Quick oil changes critical, lots of valve adjustments, etc. He says the Suzuki and UM 450 race engine is the best of the lot as far as that is concerned.
We talked about the Outlaw IRS too, and the old 500 engine. I think I actually prefer the 500 even though I could have the KTM engine and straight axle for just a little more ('08 450MXR = $400+)('08 525S = $800+)
He says to him the IRS has more advantages that outweigh the disadvantages and after some seat time it would even out with experience even on a track. Myself, I think the ride quality, ground clearance and traction make it worthy of a try as a trail machine. I really do.... although I do wonder if "I" will be able to adjust and learn to throw it around like I can a straight axle... because that's all I've known.
Anyways, I left him and went on my way to pick up my new LTR450... which I felt was an equal gamble for me... 450 trail manors, short rear tires, wide width... but just a shorter drive away than the Outlaw 500.
Went to do the paperwork to find out the other salesman (sales mgr) sold it out from under me... which was a BIG BUMMER for me and my salesperson. So Monday they are supposed to run a deal by me on a Raptor 700R. No clue if it will be a real deal or not... we'll have to see.
So now I have more time to "think" which I'm not sure is a good thing....
On the way home, my wife and I talked a LOT, which has made matters worse.
Understand that I was wanting to buy her a utility 4x4, but talked her into considering a used Trailboss 325 we were going to look at today, which got sold yesterday. ANOTHER BUMMER. So she still wants an auto, which I can understand, etc... but we have also talked about the fact she might not ride with me much for a while because of the baby, etc... so we are both sort of all confused now.
It's to the point that right now I'm even considering just getting a Scrambler 500 4x4. Sporty looks for me, auto for her, 4x4 for me, 500 power for 2-up riding for us, etc...
I'm thinking about it serious since she has a friend that rides, and would be able to go out for short rides with her if she wanted, etc... I'd love to have the 4x4 for me and the auto for her for the time being until the whole family can go out on a pair of quads.... But at the same time I am cringing about having to ride an auto for a while, having 4x4 but no engine braking, and the darn weight. Heck.... I imagine it would 'feel' like you were riding '2-up' when riding all by yourself... LOL...
So here I find myself staring down a list of at least 15 ATV's when I had it down to the 2 we were going to buy a couple of days ago... so I dunno...
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Well the scrambler is a great atv. You will feel the weight but it does handle great and the comfort seems more like ut than a sport quad. My wife rides mine now and loves it. I loved it when I rode it. You say you don't want to ride it because its an automatic but it may grow on you. You will not be dissapointed!
The main reason I went with a new outlaw irs is because my wife wanted a scrambler just like mine and I felt it was dumb to have two identicle quads. I wanted the same comfort when riding but did not want a sportsman. The irs was the obvious choice and am extremely happy I went with it. I was going back and forth between the Outlaw and an 08 Raptor. Went with the Outlaw because it rides sooooo much better mainly because I am used to a plush ride with the scrambler. That and the dealer for yamaha spent the whole time ripping on the outlaw instead of telling me why the raptor was a great quad. The polaris dealer gave many great comparisons and the raptor he said was better in some ways than the Outlaw. But for the ridding I do the Outlaw was perfect.
The scrambler is a true 4x4 sport quad! It will rip up hills and around corners like a sport quad. It also jumps although not very High. I can't remember ever hearing anyone that got a scrambler complain about handling or ride. It is just a blast to ride!
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