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Posted by: GregV
You won't regret it... ! I love mine!
The only reason that mine still looks sowroom clean with a bunch of miles and hours on it is because I haven't had the heart to go headlong into the mud with it yet?? ha ha
It just looks so good right now, I hate to bury it in mud. I do have the 3000 lb. Warn Winch on it for when I do decide to get it really dirty......I'm just not ready yet. ha ha
Posted by: blackballed
You've got the right machine for want you want to do, IMO. The Rhino will meet your needs as described also; yet from an owner since the day they were first introduced...you'll go more places and have more fun doing it in this machine.
Pick up some gusseting products from either Holz Racing Products or JaggedX and keep an eye on what they offer for continuous improvements straight from the desert racing series. Is the Rzr built tougher than the Rhino(?)...no...but they're built well enough to hold up to what's thrown at them with a few improvements from these two fine companies. Fellow member Rzr and I are evidently the only folks on this planet who saw what happened at Antelope Valley and believe in the need for these products by the number of replies here http://forums.atvconnection.co...tid/85/threadid/522133 yet I suppose that some folks have to learn the hard way!
The only reason you aren't seeing a lot of 'buzz' on this product is simply because many of the people buying them right now have had absolutely no interest in the sport previously and aren't all that 'machine' inclined to begin with. Think about it....the classic Baja race comes around but once every year in a few different races....only one side-by-side has ever finished (the 250)....yet you can't even start an intelligent conversation on ANY of these races...let alone the desert series running every weekend! (with vendors like the two above hot and heavy into all of it; willing to talk on the forums about their efforts...and ignored week after week during the season!).
Go with your gut sense on this one....as there are a lot of guys out there skewing the "what's more fun" debate who have frankly made the wrong choice on just what machine that they should have purchased or waited for....and Momma's (unfortunately) not going to let them get another one anytime soon.
Bottom line?
The most enjoyable machine that I've ever had the pleasure of sitting on or in in bar none.
Posted by: blackballed
Originally posted by: CaptnKidd".... So what are gusseting products? I take it by other post that they reinforce the welds, is this right...."
Both Holtz and Jagged have hinted at either pre-fabbed bolt or weld on kits...no word from either as yet.
Here is some of the work that Holtz is doing in this area http://www.holzracingproducts....index.php/rzr_gallery/ (1st 3 pics on the bottom) and I will have to say that making these kind of pictures available in the first place has earned them big points with me.
Some of you might not have been heavily into the Rhino when it was first introduced; yet Black Rhino Performance quickly earned my business by being far and away the most responsive company out there on the web.(besides the fact that owner Brian is simply an all around decent guy).
We sorely need a manufacturer's forum for this machine that goes beyond the extremely 'light' conversations that we've witnessed to date and somebody should possibly take BRP's highly successful model and run with this.(although it would be somewhat hard to replicate the kind of attitude that Brian had; as that site was built around an anti-swag/influence free speech model that few businesses and certainly forum managers can honestly handle).
Perhaps the make-up of newer model side-by-side ownership and/or forum involvement has just changed drastically over these last few years...because you sure don't see the type of poster that we were witnessing in force come even the fall of '03 pre-launch.
Posted by: blackballed
BTW, Captn'...you were asking about gusseting products earlier?
Here is why few aside from myself and a few aftermarket vendors (privately) are willing to discuss the need for these products 'openly'; as compared with similiar crash survival stories involving the Rhinos over these past few years: (from the utilityoffroad forum) http://utilityoffroad.com/foru...pic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13283
This Rzr probably didn't roll 8 times anymore than the Rzr which got bump/rolled in the corner at the Antelope Valley race debacle...as opposed to "T-boned at 50 mph" as the quickly hushed up story went.
Build 'em as if you're going to race 'em folks...or pay the consequences.
Posted by: blackballed
Originally posted by: CaptnKidd"..I do not understand why anyone would not be willing to take about any product that is needed or desired by others. After all that is what a Forum is all about...."
What you tend to find is often forum moderation far to caught up in the 'swag' mentality of forum sponsorship or even simply the chance to meet or visit with any 'player' well outside of our fairly mundane community membership. I have never witnessed moderation on this forum go down either one of those roads to date; yet, as you well know; a lot of folks out there just don't 'get out much' and vigorously defend whoever pitched the last freebie their way or effectively caused them to feel more important than our all somewhat normal lives afforded yesterday.
The bobblehead discussion surrounding the two Rzrs wrecked at Antelope Valley earlier this year (and the unexplained 'conspiracy' spin which quickly followed) was a classic example of what is described above. Brand loyalty was so rampant that it was impossible (on some forums) to even discern what happened there after pictures were leaked of not one but two Rzrs nastily tweaked and not looking like they were truly race ready in the first place.
Another problem tends to be that that separate moderator or 'just us' sub-forums are set-up and that a lot of private messaging between these 'priveleged' folk detracts from the 'peon' conversations merely bringing in the money or swag for the bguys off-line.
Membership finally gets wind of this fact or find that everybody's not necessarilly on the same friendship-type footing....and you can guess the rest.
I agree 100% that problems are unlikely if you use the machine as described above; yet by the looks of many Rhinos in use today...the limits are definitely being pushed, IMO, with a much differently constructed product.
Posted by: blackballed
....and if anybody still has questions as to exactly why "I" feel that gussetting is a good idea for my rig....observe what ultimately happened to this guy's friend (and the Rzr's frame) on the 2nd page here: (from the polaris ranger club forum) ">http://www.prcforum.co...ic......whichpage=1
Again, you couldn't get guys to even talk about this subject just a few months ago.
Posted by: ForemanDan
I had an extremely bad experience with a Sportsman 600.............but I really want that RZR! There is nothing big and clumsy about it.
Posted by: HeftyLefty
Honest answer?. If you are having second thoughts, cancel your order. If you buy now and aren't happy, you will lose money because you are selling a used machine.
Check www.prcforum.com It's a world wide Ranger forum. Good Luck
Posted by: rzr
well ill tell ya i recently had my rzr in as deep as the head lights it kinda sounds like a weard motor boat it never mised a beat and kept on going one thing you will get wet and muddy it was great
Posted by: CaptnKidd
So I have my new RZR on order, I was very lucky, the folks I deal with called me and told me about one that got canceled.
Here is my story......I'm ready to buy a new side by side, my wife and I fell in love with the RZR after sitting in it and driving it around the yard. We are not big users, racers, or even big in fixing things when they break. I was rasied in a garage and worked on my own stuff but over the years I have left it up to the pros (or so called anyway) to work on my rigs. I want a fun machine to run in the deserts of Arizona and the woods of Alaska. I'm not a radical driver but will have fun. So after reading every post in here, I ask myself if I'm jumping into this to soon. I have owned a Polaris Ranger 6x6 and it never let me down but darn it was big and clumsy.
Another thing is everyone here seems to run theirs in dry conditions, we have mud and water here, lots of bogs...any comments on what you think this rig will do?
Thanks everyone for the great info I have found on here so far.
Posted by: CaptnKidd
I want to thank both of you guys. HeftyLefty, I can see your point, but my second thoughts are much smaller than my excitement for this michine. besides if I always changed my mine everytime I had a second thought about something, I would have missed out on a lot of things in my life. but again thanks for a Honest answer. I will check our prcforum also.
Blackballed, I have read many of your post in hear and have the option that you really like this machine and have a lot of experiance with others.
My gut tells me to enjoy the heck out of a Razor, but like I said, I'm not to much into fixn' things, but I have the ability. So what are gusseting products? I take it by other post that they reinforce the welds, is this right.
again thanks both of you
Posted by: CaptnKidd
Thanks rzr, this is what I like to hear. I'm sure I will get VERY wet but that part of the fun, right!
Come on August........
Posted by: CaptnKidd
Thx blackballed, I guess the only saving grace is that I'm not a very agressive driver, I will have fun and I'm sure at times I will push myself and this may get me in trouble but I hope not roll down a hill side 8 times.
I do not understand why anyone would not be willing to take about any product that is needed or desired by others. After all that is what a Forum is all about. Yes it is nice to hear about all the fun we are having and maybe even poke at the other guys once in awhile. But to me it is a place to geather info and learn from those who have more experance and time. Sometimes even one of us newbie's will come up with something.
Agian thanks for your input.
Posted by: CaptnKidd
wow what a mess. Brand loyaty is ok TO A POINT, but not when it makes you blind. We all want our team...the problem is our team is not always the winner and credit should be given to those who deserve it. One of the great things about this country is that we can speak our minds when we want. We need to remember that it's in our best interest to speak up. But the fact that so many do not or if they do they follow the loadest or most popular opion that allows others to control the out come without truth or facts to back it up.
