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Posted by: blackballed
I put these on the Rhino some time back and noticed a huge difference (obviously) in handling between the stockers; original Mudlites; the Bighorns and (what I thought to be) these great performing tires.
Does the improved power to weight ratio almost overpower the tread on this design or does this tire really make it feel like a whole other machine as I felt it did on the Rhino?
Posted by: blackballed
Experimented today with a set of 26's that we used to run on the Rhino years ago (stock Rzr wheels).
I've always liked the way these tires handle at both slow and faster speeds (when remembering to respect the reduced tread contact); along witrh the much smoother overall ride and (IMO) a greater ability to actually 'feel' the power come on much more dramatically. The bigger tire obviously affects the handling somewhat; although it's not such a big deal with this much less agressive tread.
Conclusion?
After getting somewhat used to the stockers and really just enjoying the overall almost perfect set-up that Polaris has provided with this machine; I'd like to hear more from those running 25" ATRs or tires of similiar tread design before moving on up in size.
Posted by: blackballed
These Holeshots are 26's; yet even with this somewhat performace type tire; I just don't feel that I'm gaining anything with the larger size. Granted, this same tire really seemed to wake up the stodgier Rhino; but beyond the obvious somewhat better launch on certain surfaces; the much different overall handling and even higher CG is a minus, IMO.(any maintained traction effect throughout the powerband is quickly lost by possibly an overpowering of the tread on this design also).
Although I recognize the advantages of just a few more inches of ground clearance on this machine at these speeds and when approaching unexpected obstacles; you're going to have a little trouble convincing me that this thing is more fun to drive with taller tires installed than the 25's which come with it.
Posted by: blackballed
I think you've got the right plan and that the stockers are just as good (with tread on them) than most anything out there.
My local riding (SW MI.) has been almost 'hardpack' this summer with no rain and lots of dust. Otherwise; we did the small dune area we have locally called Silver Lake; very tight and twisty (sandy) trails in the UP and a faster mix of sand/rock/dips in the same area on an old railroad grade (all on stockers).
This thing has just been a blast everywhere that we've taken it to and I love it.
Posted by: blackballed
Originally posted by: CaptnKidd
hey I want to thank you for all the info on this. If you ever get down in the southwest area during the winter, let me know.
Thank you, CK; I appreciate the invite.
John
Posted by: blackballed
The Mudlites that we had on the Rhino years ago (I'm sure that they've probably changed the design) were great tires that did the job well; although they were certainly nothing approaching that size (didn't even know that they made them).
The only problem that I ever had with that original design was that they wore out very unevenly when you had to run the pavement (some ereads were almost cut in half at a 45 degree angle).
Posted by: blackballed
Originally posted by: CaptnKidd
So I have to ask...why the handle Blackballed? To many comments that hit home?
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I started out back in '99 with a Sportsman and some crazy ideas about actually getting involved in the sport that I soon grew to love. Quickly joined a suburban Detroit area club that was then the biggest in the state; yet soon realized that there would be no elections held or even good explanations made as to just how the state orv system was being run (or by whom) 'publicly' on their club forum.
After being threatened and/or called every name in the book for 'daring' to question leadership....club membership soon found out that the emperor did indeed have no clothes...and most were forced to start their own club! Being a glutton for punishment; I tried to make the trip across the state several more times to push for some kind of mission statement that would define this new club's goals or even a discussion that went beyond the more important quest for new t-shirts and bumper stickers...to no avail (their first attempt at coming up with their 'own' political plan came years later when they attempted to become a subchapter of our iron-fisted state motorcycle club...which pretty much explains the 'we just want to ride' attitude that I received before quitting these people yet again).
I've joined more organizations all over this country that I can count; sponsored youth training programs; attended state orv advisory board meetings and have found one truth to be self-evident:
You don't point out the obvious in the American off-road community and you sure as heck don't question ANY leader running it....as they obviously all go to the same conventions and all cover each other's arses no matter how ridiculous the matter may be.
This community, over several decades, has just plain scared off the true professionals or (worse yet) the just plain 'ol good folk that were willing to get involved in this sport a long time ago. These massive closures are a result of this... there are absolutely no young people waiting in the wings to take these old arrogant coot's positions of power...and everything that's happened to us?...we've sure as heck done to ourselves for simply a lack of individuals posessing the stones to speak out about it.
How's that for an explanation? (lol) (with the sad part being that you can't get a guy or gal up here to dispute a word of it...)
Posted by: blackballed
Originally posted by: CaptnKidd
"...I'm involved in a very large motorhome group and I find that people can not see the big picture. We just had a 900,000 buget loss and the only thing they wanted to complain about was a $2. pin and a $15. dinner that got taken away...." [IMG][/IMG]
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It's as if there is no real 'basis' ever formed when these people come together; or it's soon forgotten. As in your sport (especially); these people aren't hurting for cash or not desirous of or posesssing the skills to make any...they're on average half-way intelligent enthusiasts who posess the capability to not only build useful legacies...but help those even outside the sport along the way! (IMO, the number of charity tie-ins per event that we've witnessed around here has even been frankly shameful for years).
Sorry to get off topic, all...and to get back on...I'm getting less and less impressed with these 26" Holeshots on the Rzr as we run them (which is why I can't see the 26" more agressive tread models performing much better when compared to stock).
Posted by: blackballed
You also and I wouldn't say that the Holehots are not fun to drive; just that they seemingly hookup great for a few seconds in whatever terrain that they work best in ...then immediately feel almost overpowered and even 'pushy' elsewhere in the powerband. I should lower the pressure right down to wherever the race guys run them; yet I'm not comfortable enough with them in the corners using standard pressures at this time.
Posted by: blackballed
Originally posted by: CaptnKidd
"So BB
I was talking to a guy who recommended the Maxxis Bighorn's. Any experiance with these...."
I put a set on my Rhino when the 26" size first came out and they're really hard to beat. Most anyone will say that they wear well; are very stable (wide/flat pattern) and are just a great all around tire. You may or may not be familiar with him; but Mike Penland won his 10th GNCC Utility Stock Championship running BigHorns and you see them on UTV desert racers all the time (usually with tire balls http://www.tireballs.com/ ).
"Oh I was also told I will need to extend the tires out some, I will lose the 50" width doing this. Not sure at this time if that is a biggy for me...."
I don't know what the width rules are where you plan to ride (sounds like 'all over' when the day comes!) ..yet if you're going to match a set of wheels with these; I'd contact Matt @ AtvOutfitters, as it seems that he has been asked every question known to man regarding wheel offsets on the Rzr.
One other tip...carry a good tire repair kit http://www.powertank.com/produ...stPage/2/productID/186 a decent inflator (or two cheap ones) and a good size bottle or two of some kind of tire sealant. What I found after recently picking up a pretty nasty 3/4" gash; is that you can go a long ways on sealant alone....just don't stop and go like heck to keep centrifugal force working for you. (you're going to lose a lot sealant int the process; yet you can't lose what you don't have on board).
As mentioned earlier; it's really hard to find someone unhappy with the BigHorns. You will definitely feel the difference over stock in this flatter tread pattern; although not to the point where you won't quickly become accustomed to it and most likely enjoy same for (IMO) pure stability alone.
Posted by: CaptnKidd
Just one question, do you still like the Rzr stock tires, or have you moved up in size yet
Posted by: CaptnKidd
Thanks, my plan was to run the tire that comes on it and see how it does in the areas I will be riding and then look at changing them out if I have issues. I now feel this is still a good plan. Thanks for the input.
by the way what part of the country do you run in?
Posted by: CaptnKidd
hey I want to thank you for all the info on this. If you ever get down in the southwest area during the winter, let me know.
Posted by: CaptnKidd
So I stopped in a dealer while traving through Eugene, OR. they had a RZR out front with a set of Mud lites. what got my attention was they were 30x10x . Also looked like they may of had spacers. This sure made it look high up, wonder what it will do to the center of Gravity. I bet the light they put on the top of the roll bar do not last long.
Posted by: CaptnKidd
Not 100% sure they were mudlites, I was reading it upside down but sure was surpised at the size. It really raised the rig up. Wish I knew more, but I think I'm about to learn.
So I have to ask...why the handle Blackballed? To many comments that hit home?
Posted by: CaptnKidd
You are some trouble maker, you lol
It is a great explanation, but a sad state of affairs.
I'm involved in a very large motorhome group and I find that people can not see the big picture. We just had a 900,000 buget loss and the only thing they wanted to complain about was a $2. pin and a $15. dinner that got taken away.
Sheep I tell ya, Sheep
well one must continue to have fun, I guess we can only watch our own arses and maybe help look out for our buddies.
Posted by: CaptnKidd
yea we did get off topic a wee bit.
So it seem polaris may have truely did some research and matched the tires to the machine.......Wow what a concept. lol
I will just run the stocks for now and see what comes up
have a good ride
Posted by: CaptnKidd
So BB
I was talking to a guy who recommended the Maxxis Bighorn's. Any experiance with these.
There are some pic's on another forum of a greenie with SS108 wheels and 26" bighorns.
I must say that ol' green did not look to bad with black wheels.
Oh I was also told I will need to extend the tires out some, I will lose the 50" width doing this. Not sure at this time if that is a biggy for me.
Posted by: CaptnKidd
Thanks once again Blackballed
I found both links to be very interesting. The tire balls were really a neat idea, if I was in comp, they would be a must.
The kit was a good idea also. While at the powertank site I found an writeup on using N2 in your tires. Well that just saved me about $100 on my RV. Thanks for that one........I would recommend to everyone to read this before spending the time or money to change out to N2
Also it might b Matt@AtvOutfitters that I had contacted. I will check and see, if not I will make sure I get with him.
I think most of the time we will ride on open BLM land in the southwest. Like I said before I will run the stocks for awhile and when I do change out I will have them to go back to if I get in a resticted area.
From what I have been reading a lot of folks like the wider stance of the RZR with the spacers and wider tire. We will see.
Again thanks for the good info. (I really need to start a list)
