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Posted by: blackballed
I'd like to hear more on your assessment of the problem also; as Outerwear took a look a my machine today on an unrelated matter and we'll be meeting again soon. Evidently, this is a standard Sportsman size filter.
Posted by: blackballed
Originally posted by: rzr
what is the sock thing for what crapo
It's a pre-filter that you can wash and re-use. A K&N is available from JaggedX as mentioned and Uni will most likely will come out with one soon also (Unis filter a little better; yet have slightly less airflow than the K&N brand).
Posted by: blackballed
Holz is shipping my two Unis today.
Great service; very nice folks to talk to; looks like a lot of exciting products on the way, including a variety of clutching mods.
I like these guys from a first impression standpoint and will be giving both them and Jagged my first look for parts.
Posted by: blackballed
Didn't get a chance to oil and run the Unis this weekend in pretty dusty conditions (southern WI); yet I echo Sandman's concern and would ask trevorsride about the filter clamp..do you have one on yours? Mine never came with one and it looks like there has been very little room provided to ratchet one on to begin with.
I guess my next question would be...does anyone run a prefilter on the UNIs; or is 3 layers of filtration just to much of a restriction when compared with the higher volume K&Ns that normally do so?
I'll get one made locally and share the info (if this is reasonable); as I pretty well toasted two paper filters in just over 50 miles (didn't like what got past these any more than sandman described).
Posted by: blackballed
Originally posted by: trevorsride
The clamp I was talking about was on the outside of the airbox. On the hose between the airbox and the motor.
Thanks; I'll be checking it and will call Uni today about the prefilter.
Posted by: blackballed
Uni says that their two-stage filter will be restricted to the point of affecting performance with an Outerwear prefilter. Called Holz also and the Uni does not use the clamp provided in this application.
Posted by: blackballed
I took a very short ride recently with the new Uni oiled and installed under pretty dry conditions. Again, as osg referred to; you really have to keep an eye on your filter with the Rzr (it looked like I had travelled a lot further than I did).
Posted by: blackballed
Snorkels are great when the tubing is properly sized for any increased lengths and friction losses, IMO. A lot of the designs that I've witnessed over the years take neither into account (thanks for your offer of pics.).
Posted by: blackballed
I agree and that this is especially important in regards to the the Rzr. When I shut the door that supposedly pushes the end of this filter in; I by no means feel the end of the filter giving any resistance to the filter door and often the filter is already canted downwards due to gravity acting on the filter itself.
The aftermarket guys claim that this is a bit of a tight fit on theirs; yet I believe that it needs a door shim of some kind (in the middle) to properly snug this up on mine. Mine also needs shimming on the filter throat itself to prevent this drooping.(there is simply no way to determine just how/where the filter has seated with the absence of door pressure).
The Sportsman filter that I have in my '99 is both SUPPORTED lengthwise in the filter box and allows the (IMO) needed clamp to be installed to boot.(hence, hotdogmb's inistence that one had better put some grease on there to help overcome this).
Posted by: blackballed
It'll be interesting to see what you come up with; as I remember this debate being very long and involved regarding the Rhino years ago. Good luck.
Posted by: blackballed
A solution for our lack of access to the filter attachment point inside the airbox might be as follows:
1) Determine approximately where the filter connection sits in the airbox as related to a horizontal line drawn rearwards toward the wall of the airbox itself
2) Drill a small hole in this box the size of a long screwdriver shank or larger and pick up a plug-type soft rubber grommet to fit the hole.
3) Carry a small tube of sealant to reattach the grommet each time you change the filter; allowing the clamp bands sent with our Uni filters to actually be used; assuring positive sealing at the intake throat.
Posted by: blackballed
Thanks, Sandman; I saw that discussion and my dealer has ordered the parts. It sure would be nice if they also sent along a 'grommet' to plug the hole we have to drill for the screwdriver that tightens the clamp....
Posted by: blackballed
Is the Twin Air shorter/narrower than the Uni or does it simply 'give' for lack of any internal steel mesh support?
Not only can't I get my hand in there and turn that ratchet; it's a mess with the super tacky oil we use, to boot. Figured that simply approaching it from the side would be easier; yet thanks for the tip.
Posted by: blackballed
Originally posted by: Sandman2
I didn't have to bend the filter out of the way. I'm not sure if it's narrower than the Uni. It's about the same diameter as stock...
I'll slip a latex glove on for the tacky oil and I suppose "try 'er again" until the fix arrives; thanks.
Posted by: blackballed
Originally posted by: CaptnKidd
Question guys
Does the filter kit in the new Catalog help or take care of this issue?
I'm not sure what the kit conists of captn'; yet we run foam filters with a tacky aerosol spray (much easier than the bottled type) and douche same afterwards with any of the filter manufacturer's cleaners; which are great all around grease/dirt busters to have around the house for other jobs also.
Posted by: blackballed
I took the advice of someone on another forum and purchased a TaskForce 1/4" swivel ratchet from Lowes ($10.99) to attach the hose clamp to my filter (works as advertised). If you don't want to purchase the wrench; at least do this; which I should have been doing from day one...with the filter in your hand and unattached....slowly tighten the clamp around the filter until you get a better fit than obviously the dangling state that you found it in when opening up the box for the first time.
Push the filter on for a nice tight(er) fit....done.
Posted by: Hotdogmb
make sure you put some grease on all the slip-on connections for the air intake. The grease will help stop the dust at these points.
Posted by: Hotdogmb
make sure you put some grease on all the slip-on connections for the air intake. The grease will help stop the dust at these points.
Posted by: Hotdogmb
make sure you put some grease on all the slip-on connections for the air intake. The grease will help stop the dust at these points.
Posted by: oldstillgoing
Sandman 2. I had the same experience this last weekend. I agree the stock filter does a bad job. Also saw very fine dust getting by the paper filter. The black outwear seemed useless. Seems there is a strong need for a better air intake location. Above the heads of the passengers, not behind them. The back of us and the RZR were covered with dust. No clean air at all where the present intake is located.
RZR, does your dealer sell the K&N? My guess is he does not. Why would the 800 in the RZR be different then the 800 in the Sportsman? Have not heard of problems with the K&N in the Sportsman 700 or 800 EFI, or did I miss that discussion? Is your dealer just trying to keep your part business? I do not know, just asking questions.
Posted by: oldstillgoing
The air intake is in the cab between the seats. Impossible to see, but one can feel it. The black plastic that runs across the bed behind the seats has a bulge in it between the seats. The air intake is in it. What I want for for the after market folks to offer an extension to be cut into the plastic and go up over our heads and tie to the roll cage where the air is clean. The problem with the present location is the fact dust is pulled into the air intake area by the bodies in the seats. Just check how dirty one's back is from the dust after riding.
Posted by: oldstillgoing
Originally posted by: supersonictoys
I am going to snorkel mine before it gets dirt past the filter as I am hearing they do and will take some how to photos and post them .
I'm interested. I want a snorkel that does not take up any bed space and looks good. Of course any snorkel may cause problems with later accessories. But a snorkel is very badly needed. Will be very interested in your snorkel.
Posted by: supersonictoys
where is the stock location of the filter boxes air intake? I was crawling under mine today and the only thing I could find was this oval rubber tube under the bed and right over the injectors. is this it? if so yes, its in a dumb spot and I will be relocating it
Posted by: supersonictoys
I am going to snorkel mine before it gets dirt past the filter as I am hearing they do and will take some how to photos and post them .
Posted by: supersonictoys
I am going to make mine out of black plastic pipe fittings and will use pipe glue to seal all fittings 100%. should I need a flexable connection somewhere or a strange angle that I cant find in the plumbing section I will use large diameter pre molded radiator hoses and cut out the angles I need from them. the hard part will be making a unit that will be decent looking and will not allow rain to enter and will not take up any bed space and that will be completely free flowing. mine will be done by the end of next week. I was also thinking that you could even add a second free flowing filter on the intake end of the snorkel if you wanted some extra protection.
Posted by: trevorsride
Check the clamp on the intake behind the filter. Someone was complaining that it was left loose on there machine. K&N does have a filter for the bike. I have seen them on ebay, and jaggedx sells them along with a prefilter.
Posted by: trevorsride
The clamp I was talking about was on the outside of the airbox. On the hose between the airbox and the motor.
Posted by: Nightclerk
I just had the update installed on my new (2 weeks) RZR the mechanic installed the clamp on my K&N filter with a small air ratchet. I hope this update works as I got a lot of dust in my airbox. I also have a loud clicking noise coming from the front outer axel drivers side dealer has ordered a new one, has anyone else had similar problems?
Posted by: rzr
what a crappy filter what is the sock thing for what crapo i think i had beter get a ggod one
Posted by: rzr
dealer says that the k&n filter will make the rzr run bad cause it cant tell the diff in the air presure? said not to use one it will make the rzr run bad?
Posted by: rzr
well i dont know he must want the bis also said that the polaris filtere was better cause it has smaller holes in the papaer lol also said that if i ride old rail beds that the fine dust will get buy the k&N ----------- i must be stupid------ to old----------- and on drugs-------- and totaly ignorant----------- also have been a bike meck for 38 years
Posted by: Sandman2
Has anyone checked their air filter lately? I used my RZR once in a somewhat dusty area and when I got home I thought I'd inspect the air filter. I'm absolutely unhappy with the stock set up. I found dust inside the intake that got past the air filter. Can't wait for K&N to come up with something better. I couldn't believe that dust went right past the cheap filter, even with the outerwear around it (Looks like they attempted a cheap fix). I've been riding in the same area for many years and have never seen dust get past the filter on any of my bikes...
Posted by: Sandman2
Thanks for the tip on the Sportsman filter. I'll be ordering a real filter soon...
Posted by: Sandman2
Check with your dealer. I believe there's a bulletin with some modifications to the intake system. The reason the filters get so darn dirty is because they pick up air from behind the cover that separates the engine from the cab, instead of the front. You need to seal the cover on top, near the intake so it only picks up air from the cab area. There's lots of information about this at prcforum.com
Posted by: Sandman2
I was able to tighten down the clamp on my new Twin Air filter with a deep 7mm socket and a 1/4" ratchet without drilling anything.
Posted by: Sandman2
I didn't have to bend the filter out of the way. I'm not sure if it's narrower than the Uni. It's about the same diameter as stock...
Posted by: Sandman2
I got the Twin Air oil for my filter and it is amazingly not too sticky. It's very thin and runny so the oil penetrates well into the air filter, then you just squeeze the excess out. The solvent evaporates and you end up with a well oiled filter. Much nicer then the thick sticky oil I used to use.
Posted by: kboxx
Holz Racing Products has both the UNI and the K&N filter in stock.
Posted by: kboxx
Blackballed - Thanks for the kind words. I think I talked to you on the phone.
We've tested out the UNI and K&N filters on the RZR, and both seem to work just fine. No difference in performance from the stock filter from our mildly scientific GPS speed tests.
You guys are correct - the Sportsman filter is the same as what is in the RZR.
Regards,
Kevin Boxx
Holz Racing Products
www.holzracingproducts.com
Posted by: CaptnKidd
Question guys
Does the filter kit in the new Catalog help or take care of this issue?
Posted by: CaptnKidd
This is a new world to me, we never worry about dust up here much. Thanks for the info. everyone
Posted by: CaptnKidd
So that is sure some good info. Seems one should keep that tool in the onboard kit.
Posted by: bandanna
I disassembled, checked and resealed the airbox this weekend. Mine wasen't too bad but I did see some gaps I didn't like. I fell in love with this thing the first time I seen one and never considered a side x side until the rzr... just had to have one. I should be getting all the air from the vent in the cab and we will see how clean that is next weekend.. It's a good idea to grease the seal around the filter housing and make sure the clamp on the filter is tight.. Polaris could have have done much better with the intake system design and hopefully they will impove it in furture models. They also need more plastic clearance from the exhaust header.. mine melted the fender well somewhat..
