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Posted by: Sandgod
An ATK 450 w/ HMF pipe and Moto/Speed map will run about 2 quad lengths behind a piped, filtered, rev box, cam modded YFZ when the ATK is topped out.. That is a FACT!!! No headwork of any kind to the ATK.. The YFZ has more top speed also. The YFZ pulls ground the whole way from a second gear roll on through the gears..
Posted by: Sandgod
Jordy has a D&M kit for my quad. It runs better then his as it should w/ the reangled injectors.. The YFZ is just faster in the sand..
Posted by: Sandgod
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Originally posted by: stevendsm95gst
My buddy has a cannondale moto. He put his little brother on it to drag race me up comp hill at sand mountain nevada. I have ESR intake, gytr pipe, and cammod. His moto is stock with the titanium pipe and moto map. I think his brother is about 70 pounds lighter then i am. I beat him by about 5 or 6 quad lengths.
I beleive your story. I rode my bro's cam modded YFZ up our Sand Mtn this past weekend. I held 4th the whole way. I would of been faster w/o paddles. I tried 3rd and the piston was about to come out the tank. I was revving the snot out of it. He has stock gearing.. He's gonna drop a tooth on front and I should pull 4th at redline all the way up..My Dale has two less teeth in the rear and I couldn't hold third at redline. Stock gearing I'd be at redline.. The YFZ's get "On top of the sand" better...
Posted by: Sandgod
What I have experienced is the YFZ gets out to a quicker standing start in the sand. They have a two stroke like hit. We all know what two strokes do in the sand. On harder surfaces it is waaay closer. When we race aound in the giant bowls the YFZ has no advantage as we are not starting from a standing stop.. The Dales power is more broad like a Quadzilla, on a lower scale of course. Banshees mop up on Zillas in the dunes due to the way the power is delivered.. On dirt the Zilla's power is way more potent compared to a Banshee..
Posted by: Sandgod
My friend Jordy has one. Has the ATK 450 motor in it.. The suspension is softer then the Speeds. We saw five other Cannondales at Little Sahara, Utah today.. About 15,000 people today and tons more were filing in as we were leaving.
Posted by: Sandgod
Yes that was him. He is a regular w/ us now.. Mine runs a little better then his.. He will be at the ATK ride. My bro will be on an Alaskan Cruise, but I'm sure if anybody thinks their Dale can take his YFZ up the Mtn he will gladly let me prove them wrong aboard his YFZ..
Posted by: Sandgod
Jerry maybe your experiences are different. My brother owns a YFZ now since July 2nd 2003 and it has all the bolt on goodies. Please don't take this next statement wrong. Comp Hill isn't even a speedbump. Oldmobile hill is a joke compared to our hiill. Your sand pile is called a hill ours is called a mtn. You can't compare a hill w/ a mtn.. Sand Mtn Utah is the benchmark of sand hills and the faster more powerful machine will always win no matter what the skill level. See my pic in my gallery of our mtn.. See my video on www.dunereview.com of me racing a Predator up Choke Cherry Hill at Saint Anthonys and then watch my bro's YFZ run the same hill..Wistech Please chime in on our hill. You rode dunes w/ me for the first time in your life last year on your Speed and your from Wisconsin.. I have a Wade Wilcox motor and it will not beat a YFZ, EVER, up Sand mtn..I speak only from experience and am not blinded, because I own a Dale and want to believe my Dale is faster. On the Sand hills the YFZ is faster... Wade Wilcox is gonna see our hill for the first time on the ATK May 21 ride and I will have the bro's YFZ w/ along w/ my Dale. My bro will be on an Alaskan cruise.. All Cannondale owners are invited to the ATK factory ride. Pack up and head north to meet the best Cannondale engine builder and Frank White and ride our hill and dunes.. It's to hot at Glamis. There is no excuse not to come. The ride has been posted for 3 months now on all Cannondale sites.. Wade will have some new maps he has designed himself for us to try...
Posted by: Sandgod
I agree w/ you on why I own my Dale also. I could of sold mine for 6k 2months ago and didn't. I'm not a hillshooter either, but comparisons are always gonna happen.. My bro is my twin and w/ that we are always trying to out do each other..I like to be different and I like the Dales special unique things, like you and all Dale owners. Maybe you'll come to the ride. Our dunes are 11 hrs from downtown LA pulling a trailer..
Posted by: Sandgod
Wisetech, I will be at work. I will hit you w/ my cell/home number over the weekend. Glad you could come back. Who else is coming??? I will be leaving work ASAP on thursday to head up to ATK. I'll call you first of course.. A YFZ is really corked up stock so I woud think a Cannondale would win stock vs stock. The YFZ is a different machine when uncorked, more so then a Cannondale.. My video on dunereview was when I had the stock 432 motor w/ just a moto map and slip on pipe..Jerry funny thing is my bro had a Speed, but got spooked because of the bankruptcy and stage 8 issues and bought the YFZ.. A new 450Z is his next purchase when they hit the shores..
Posted by: Sandgod
Wisetech is exploring Little Sahara, Utah and Saint Anthonys, Idaho at the moment. He drove 1500 miles and will be back every year to both places.. Oh Jerry I have always run a 40r sprocket. I shredded it and put on my stock 42r and beat my bro's YFZ up Utahs Sand Mtn this past weekend. He does weigh more, but I was as surprised as he was... Check my sig for some new dune pics in the last folder!!
Posted by: Ryanstones
My stock piped cannibal put multiple whippings on the stock TRX450 a couple weeks ago.
I haven't raced a YFZ, but did see a friends 450 Cannon beat a piped/airbox/jet YFZ a while back.
Posted by: Ryanstones
The YFZ looks like a mosquito! I'll take the frog over the swarm of skeeters out there any day.
Posted by: Ryanstones
Good post Maine! My bro had a similar experience vs a heavily modded 450r last weekend. It was dead even once they got underway.
How'd you get an 04 'dale? I want one of those too!
Posted by: thunderalley400ex
I have had 2 Cannon's and in the sand a pipe'd YFZ walks the dog on a piped Cannondale with a pipe. Jerry, I might take you up on that little offer of bringing a YFZ vs your quadzilla. Mine's 325lbs 60+hp
Posted by: thunderalley400ex
470 and a bunch of other little stuff....
Posted by: bulldogz400
My dad's all stock Speed is not faster than a stock YFZ I'm sorry to say. My neighbor has a Moto with an HMF and that thing is QUITE a bit faster than mine, so I'm sure he could pull them. I need to get a pipe on my Speed because the stock one (AKA the lunch box, LOL ) sure doesn't flow enough.
Posted by: 250R4LIFE
I have drag raced a few C-dales in the dunes with the mods listed in my signature. I always won by atleast a couple bike lengths. That's just my experience. I'm sure there's C-dale guys out there who have beaten some of the new 450's
Posted by: WISTECH
I think it will all depend on what map and pipe combo you go up against. So far it looks like a stock yfz450 has more power than the cannondales with the lower rev limits and the smog pipes. Cannondale advertised them at around 33 horse. The moto had a race pipe on it and they rated it at 40 horse. Of course the moto was geared for mx. With all the new combo maps and airbox mods The rumors are you can get close to 50 horse with no internal engine mods. Those machines are few and far between . I have yet to see a how the ATK450 quads do against anything else.
Posted by: WISTECH
Yep the "toaster " is quite restrictive. As soon as all the baffles break inside and you gut out all those spark arrestor cones you see why they loose 7 horse to the moto exhaust.
Posted by: WISTECH
Hey Sand its great to hear you got the old dog back in the game. I should bring my D&M kit with me for the Atk ride and get some serious tuning done to your quad. Its amazing how how a couple of minutes on the laptop can make your quad from a smooth easy to ride all day engine to a arm pump inducing tire spinner. I hope to have my moto ready to go for the dune trip and see how it does against my speed.
Posted by: WISTECH
I think Im going to name all mine Silvertoad 1 2 and 3.
Posted by: WISTECH
Yep it starts out the same every time ." I raced A cannondale" Thats like saying you beat a vette and leaving out the che....vette. LOL
Posted by: WISTECH
LOL
Posted by: WISTECH
Whats up with the sand drags. Anyone ever take a Glamis out to the sand?
Posted by: WISTECH
Hey Sand was that Jordy we met at the gate last year as we were arriving. I think that was a Glamis in the back of the truck.
Posted by: WISTECH
Hey sandy , We are leaving wed morning and will pulling into Salt Lake thursdayaround noon . Are you going to be around if we stop by before going to the barbeque. Also I have aquired a 25 dune flags for any one that needs one. My local speed shop mistakenly ordered way to many and gave them to me at cost so he didnt have to send them back. If any one needs some just pm me.
Posted by: stevendsm95gst
My buddy has a cannondale moto. He put his little brother on it to drag race me up comp hill at sand mountain nevada. I have ESR intake, gytr pipe, and cammod. His moto is stock with the titanium pipe and moto map. I think his brother is about 70 pounds lighter then i am. I beat him by about 5 or 6 quad lengths.
Posted by: Eceriderjbomb
I would think that the dale would dominate in the end. Im just thinking the way they are built. There all great. The looks of a yfz are much nicer then the frog like looks for cannondale. Just my 2 cents
Posted by: thomez
I'll be ready for any TRX and almost any YFZ this summer. 450 kit, head work, exhaust, map, nothing that major... I think I'll pull 50-52RWHP
Posted by: thomez
People often lump all of the Cannons together and think they are doing something when they go out and spank a Cannibal. They easily forget the Blaze and Moto had an extra 6HP just from exhaust and mapping. Be careful thinking you can take them all ... it don't take much to get another 10HP from one
Posted by: thomez
LOL Wistech .... very very true .... and remember most of them out there are either Cannibals or Speeds .... the ones giving up 6HP with a toaster.
Posted by: thomez
I don't include sand because weight of the quad and rider is such a factor. Do a roll-on on pavement, see who pulls who. Should be closer. The 'Dale is heavier and doesn't perform as well in the sand. Sandgod can tell you the same.
Posted by: thomez
jerrygomez on Riders has his Glamis spanking modded YFZ's - with a toaster and the Glamis/Speed map.... lightened it to like 350 and now the power shows up.
Posted by: thomez
I'd love to be there to do just that
Or at least try to
Posted by: mxquadracer
does anyone on here even have a glamis??? I know there's quite a few over on cannondale riders but haven't seen to many on the connection.
Posted by: WhiteBros440EX
how do you guys think these new 450s with compare to come of the c-dales 440?
are the c-dales faster than the 450s, im pretty sure i read somewhere that they rev to the moon
Posted by: largegreenhead
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Originally posted by: FOX400
HAY WHATS UP! IHAVE A BONE STOCK 01 FX 400 , ITS A MONSTER AND NOBODY CAN TOUCH ME, ICLUCING MY BUDDY WITH A MODDED 04 BANSHEE. THE FX JUST SCREAMS. NEVER GOT TO GOT TO HOLESHOT WITH A NEW YAMAHA OR HONDA 450 BLA BLA BLA BUT I CAN SAY THEY BETTER HAVE SOME KIND OF MOD DONE.
01 FX 400
E MAIL BRADY057@AOL.COM
I think the FX does have a higher compresion than the other Dales.
Posted by: largegreenhead
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Originally posted by: Hebs
had the pleasure of going head to head w/ a canibal today... i only weigh 153lbs and obviously my quad has a few extras... but the only reason I sometimes had trouble pulling away was because by 4th gear I was still spinning my wheels. (hard dirt) A few times I had trouble keeping the front down til 4th... (i started in 2nd gear most of the time.) but it wasn't more than a gear change, and i had caught up.
I had the chance to drive this c-dale... (my first dale ride ever) And i must say. It accelerates like a raptor... (pretty much no real guts til the rpms get midrange to high, and it takes a lil while to get there.) The stearing is a lil awkward compared to a yammy honda, or suzy. Extremely tight. (I'm use to more of a flowing movement, like an extension of your arms.) the suspension is a lil rough, similar again to the raptor... fuel injected is cool.
Overall, it's a different but nice looking machine, that has plenty of potential.
today i also raced a:
yoshi piped z400
660 rappy
it may not be right for everyone, but the yfz is definately the quad fer meh....
Wow, i think a Dale and Raptor couldn't be any different. A Raptor revs slow, a Dale revs fast. A Dale doesn't have a lot of bottom end and a Raptor does. You can lug a Raptor where a Dale would stall. A Raptor is tall and has a high center of gravity where a Dale sits lower, the steering on my Dale was only slightly more tight than other quads. I don't have the Dale anymore though, sold it after the engine blew up for the second time.
Posted by: Hebs
had the pleasure of going head to head w/ a canibal today... i only weigh 153lbs and obviously my quad has a few extras... but the only reason I sometimes had trouble pulling away was because by 4th gear I was still spinning my wheels. (hard dirt) A few times I had trouble keeping the front down til 4th... (i started in 2nd gear most of the time.) but it wasn't more than a gear change, and i had caught up.
I had the chance to drive this c-dale... (my first dale ride ever) And i must say. It accelerates like a raptor... (pretty much no real guts til the rpms get midrange to high, and it takes a lil while to get there.) The stearing is a lil awkward compared to a yammy honda, or suzy. Extremely tight. (I'm use to more of a flowing movement, like an extension of your arms.) the suspension is a lil rough, similar again to the raptor... fuel injected is cool.
Overall, it's a different but nice looking machine, that has plenty of potential.
today i also raced a:
yoshi piped z400
660 rappy
it may not be right for everyone, but the yfz is definately the quad fer meh....
Posted by: YFZblu
I met up with a guy in Mexico with a cannondale, and was hopeing to out race him, no problem. My YFZ was completely stock, and hadn't even been broken in yet, but i couldn't help seeing what was up with the cannondale. The race was a dead tie, although we were in the sand, and he was beefed up with paddles, and a jetted out piped bike. The YFZ stayed right with him, although I have to give the credit to the cannondale...hopefully after i pipe the bike i can take him again..since stock yamaha pipes are so crappy
Posted by: YFZblu
I don't wanna sound like im bashing the Glamis at all,
My cousin has one, and I LOVE it. I just don't understand how it could out run a YFZ in a drag?
From what I know (I could be wrong) the Glamis is 25 pounds heavier, and doesn't have as big of an engine as the YFZ..Again im not trying to piss anyone off, Id just like to know how??
How does the Glamis compare to the YFZ in handling??
any info could be helpful..
Posted by: YFZblu
what about a stock Glamis vs. a stock YFZ?
short drag
Posted by: YFZblu
what are you talking about? I never asked how a lightened moded Glamis would perform. I asked how a stock Glamis would perform against a stock YFZ..you're the one who brought all this weird crap into my question..
and your quadzilla sounds great, as long as you want to lay on the throttle and ride straight all day..
Posted by: YFZblu
Actually, I was looking for more than "i think the cannondale will win"
Its usually more productive when I get information from people who know what they're talking about BR>
lol and I'm sure your zilla can turn...ITS A GOOD THING YOU CAN HANDLE IT! cuz...according to you, not a lot of people can??
Posted by: QuadLT500Racer
you tell me how you got 60hp out of ur yfz
Posted by: JerryGomez2002
FYI - I have been riding Glamis a lot lately and been running with YFZs and TRXs. I can honestly say, a stock Glamis 440 will pull both a YFZ and TRX, stock for stock, my stock Glamis will pull the stock YFZ by 1-2 bike lengths and pulls TRX by 3-4 bike lengths, on Competition Hill. On the flats, the YFZs get close and TRX450s still behind YFZs. I have beaten 7 out of 10 YFZs with mods, jetted, and exhausts and this Glamis 440 is still running stock mapping and stock breadbox. I do have my dale at around 350lbs with some alum and titanium hardware, but now it's comparing apples to apples. Of course, I'm very meticulous about the maintenance on my dales so they are almost at peak performing conditions. I believe healthy and good running dales definately can keep up with the new 450s.
Now, i know that stock YFZ owners think they can't be touched, I see them riding around Glamis like they have the best (and they do have the best mass produced quad) but they do get disappointed when a dale starts pulling away in 4th gear up comp hill.
Anyway, I think part of it is who is the better driver, shifts at better times, etc. All these machines are in the same range. I've been running ATVs for 15 years so I'm sure I maybe running mine optimally. Besides, I high speed dune and rarely drag dales, but these cdales are definately hi performance machines without a doubt.
Posted by: JerryGomez2002
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What I have experienced is the YFZ gets out to a quicker standing start in the sand.
Depends on gearing and paddle selection.
Posted by: JerryGomez2002
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Posted by: JerryGomez2002
Experiences do differ. I was only comparing stock vs stock and my lightened up Glamis 440 at around 350lbs. Maybe on longer hills, others run best, i 'm not sure nor I care. I simple like Cannondale quality, nice welds, fuel injection, gp software, alum frame, etc. If I wanted to drag race, I would be on a heavily modded Banshee.
Posted by: JerryGomez2002
I'm a twin too, but both of us have dales. I would love to go up there and ride one day, Glamis and Dumont Dunes are way too hot in the summer, the only place I can ride is Pismo Beach. In fact, I'm hitting Pismo this weekend, just checked my Glamis/Moto, all looks perfect.
Posted by: JerryGomez2002
My Glamis is sitting at under 350lbs and the engines are almost same in size, 432 vs 439, plus the fuel injection has incredible response. My Glamis has the Moto setup with 19" hi travel dual stage ohlins and it out handles my 89 250R, It's the only other quad i driven which seems to handle better than my 89 but I not driven the YFZ.
Posted by: JerryGomez2002
I was comparing apples to apples, 350lbs to 350lbs.
If you want to compare apples to oranges, what about my bring my 90 Duncan Racing Quazilla which is lightened by 30 lbs , Paul Turner hi rev pipe, 39 duncan jetted PWK, alum base gasket and oring cool head. ABout 365lbs and around 60HP+, bring your YFZ.
Posted by: JerryGomez2002
Does this answer your question??? (from another cannondale owner)
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A YFZ is really corked up stock so I woud think a Cannondale would win stock vs stock.
And yes, the Zilla does turn, just not many people can handle one.
Posted by: JerryGomez2002
Agreed.
Posted by: Thunder53
I think it is all about the rider... if you have a new rider against an experienced rider the experienced is always gonna win. My dads friend owns a raptor with a ton of mods on it and we were up at the dunes and he was smoking everyone he raced then he let his friend race it a few times, he just go into riding and he was in the back most of the time. So I think it doesn't matter what you have, its whether you know how to run it or not. Also no matter what you have there is always gonna be someone out there faster lol
Posted by: MaineCannondale
This is to the cannondale vs. 450 is much like quadzilla vs. banshee. I must agree, I race against yfzs and hondas at my local track. I have a stock engine speed. They beat me off the line all the time. As soon as we start racing aorund corners and going up hills its a diferent story. I walk away from them all. The 450s get me on a dead start, just by a little, but as soon as we get side by side coming out of a corner and I punch it its diferent, especially on the hilly parts of the track. I just thought Id tell you my story.
Posted by: MaineCannondale
This is to Wistech. At the beginnning of this conversation you said that with air box modifications and remapping and a pipe you could reach close to 50 horse. I was wondering what type of air box modifictions and where can I get this part if it is available? I like having my eye balls touch the back of my head, and i think this would help, lol.
-Nick
Posted by: MaineCannondale
Sorry about that RyanStones, I actually have an 03 speed. I must of been day dreaming when I typed up my info. Anyway I saw the plastic for the 04 cannondales and I was wondering if anyone might know wehre I could that plastic because I cracked mine and I think the 04 looks a lot diferent, I think it would turn a lot of heads.
-Nick
Posted by: FOX400
HAY WHATS UP! IHAVE A BONE STOCK 01 FX 400 , ITS A MONSTER AND NOBODY CAN TOUCH ME, ICLUCING MY BUDDY WITH A MODDED 04 BANSHEE. THE FX JUST SCREAMS. NEVER GOT TO GOT TO HOLESHOT WITH A NEW YAMAHA OR HONDA 450 BLA BLA BLA BUT I CAN SAY THEY BETTER HAVE SOME KIND OF MOD DONE.
01 FX 400
E MAIL BRADY057@AOL.COM
Posted by: hondarules666
the 450's are faster only because the c-dale spins very badly off the line.
but it also does depend on the type but otherwise the cannondale is faster if it could hook up off the like
my friend owns a cannondale and another one owns a kfx 450 and the kfx won but the cannondale was almost sideways off the line and still came back to lose by a 1/2 a bumper length
