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Posted by: 14mins
There were alot of reports that early cannons sucked when going thru low water crossingsor puddles. I do not know wether they fixed that or not. Cannon had a habit of throwing parts that may not suppose to be on the model in question. Most of the time it was better shocks or something of that nature, exhaust, handlebars. From reading post on here they (cannon ) would make changes at anytime and used a few diffent designs of the swing arm. Some of the early models did not complete magazine testing before they quit running. Reliablity from what i have seen is not a selling point. The factory stood behind them but there is no factory now.
Kawisaki- Unless you are a die hard i would stay away from the cannons. They do some stuff well and so stuff makes you wonder. They remind me of the MGB cars when they first came to america. When they run, they do it well but they do not always run. Seems like every cannon guy that bought one new and signed on at the connection has had quite a few problems, some small and some big. As far as how it runs? That sounds makes you wonder at times. They do come out of the hole the first 100 feet strong, most of the time they will jump out in frontof other brands but it fades after the first 100 feet. Top speeds depends on gearing. Anywhere from 60 to possibly 80 depending on sprockets. Percentage wise more cannons will have or had a problem than the other brands.
There is one strong point about them now. If you decide to buy one the other owners will be able to help you keep it running. They have been threre and done that. The supporting vendor site on here has atv addiction and the owner ( i think his name is lewis) can get you what ever you need for it. Be though in looking one over. I have seen many post in which the owners have stripped drain plugs and what not. Make sure it has motor updates or tear into before you ride for. Battery and starting was a problem for a while. Hopefully you can get a dealer service manual for one still.
There are no new ones and they are getting years on them. No one knows how the frame will hold up after 5 or 6 years. The motorcycle racers do not keep there aluminum framed rides that long. I would pick one of the 2 450's currently out now over the dale. I never run across many dales where i ride but the ones i see are at some point during the week end towed back to camp or on a battery charger . I have not paid any attention to any in the last year and that might be cured know with all the support of fellow riders. Some have better computers than others so find out which one is the best to have. I do not know if you can interchange them or not or if they are prone to failure. Check and see what the price is of various parts on the quad from starters, clutches, spark plugs, computer, a-arms etc. I bought one at action that does not run. At some point i am going to part it out, probably on ebay
Good luck
If you decide to buy one make a copy of Wistechs thread ,Tips for dales he has put a lot of useful info in it for dale owners
Posted by: 14mins
wistech- very interesting comments.
Alot of guys just like to tear apart there quads and change pieces just cause they can.
Then there is another group (larger) that can not afford to make any changes due to there finances. Had cannondale bought a motor like artic cat and others do they would have been better off. The fact that there was no motor differnce between the base and moto was a fatal mistake to me. If i paid 12.5 for a moto and a canonible down loads the same program i would be a little ticked off. They should have done more to seperate the blaze and moto from the entry levels.
Same thinking did in the chevy ZR-1 corvette.
That is another thread. Canondales were not intended for the masses and most riders would be better off with a different gas and go brand.
Posted by: 14mins
wistech- I agree. It is a shame that cannondale could not survive 2 more years. I am not a cannondale fan but things would have been more intesting. Hell if they would have scrapped the motorcycle after the first year they might have made it. It was suicde trying to compete with the motorcycle.
Posted by: DeuceRooster
Hmmmm, mine is up for auction on ebay right now. Wish I could have got to ride it first (bought it non-running) ! BR>
I can say from looking at it though that the technology and R&D is second to none.
Posted by: KNOWSALOT
badazz400,
You obviously have never been to a harescramble race in muddy conditions.
Oh, you had better keep an eye out on that chain
Posted by: KNOWSALOT
Posted by: armoks
check with abbots racing over at cannonaleriders he got a hold of quad tech to make more of the carbon hoods
Posted by: armoks
check out cannondaleriders.com or cannondaler.com they have some good gurus to help ya!!
Posted by: armoks
badazz400, you against jeff at the wisp???? I'll bet my truck against that, he'll mop the track with ya
Posted by: JeffatTQS
For the person that said the Cannondales aren't good in the mud......I'll put the Dale against any other sport quad in mud, snow and water anyday!
Posted by: JeffatTQS
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Originally posted by: badazz400
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HEEEE HHEEEEEE HAAAAAA HAAAAAA! R U SERIOUS?!?!?!?!?
No problem, I see you live in Maryland....why don't you come out to The Wisp GNCC on june 26th and we'll see what that ol Polaris is made of.
Posted by: JeffatTQS
Thats what I'm telling you! Apperently you've never been to a GNCC.
John Penton GNCC
Posted by: JeffatTQS
GNCC website
Posted by: JeffatTQS
You know its funny.....I can't think of one single person out of around 500 people that race the GNCC's that races a Sport 400.
mxquadracer....what are the certain things that Dales won't do?
Posted by: JeffatTQS
Like I said, the challange has been made. Its up to you.
Posted by: JeffatTQS
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Originally posted by: badazz400
lol, wat kind of terrian do you run in. when it comes to riding in mud da cannonadle is not even in my league. yes its fast but so is mine. you can go buy me in a race, but when i get you in the mud not only am i going 2 go by you im gonna leave you. oh yea and dats with my stock tires. trust me its been proven many of timesBR>
badazz400
I'll say it again, your belt will be slipping way before a Cannondale will even hickup in the water. You obviously have no idea how Cannondales are built, they are the most water proof sport quad ever made! Here is a little pic from round 2 of the GNCC series in Palatka FL of my good friend Rick Cecco on his Cannibal.
Florida
Here is a drowned out 400ex in the same hole
Honda
Posted by: JeffatTQS
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Originally posted by: badazz400
lol, wat kind of terrian do you run in. when it comes to riding in mud da cannonadle is not even in my league. yes its fast but so is mine. you can go buy me in a race, but when i get you in the mud not only am i going 2 go by you im gonna leave you. oh yea and dats with my stock tires. trust me its been proven many of timesBR>
badazz400
I'll say it again, your belt will be slipping way before a Cannondale will even hickup in the water. You obviously have no idea how Cannondales are built, they are the most water proof sport quad ever made! Here is a little pic from round 2 of the GNCC series in Palatka FL of my good friend Rick Cecco on his Cannibal.
Florida
Here is a drowned out 400ex in the same hole
Honda
there the most waterproof sportquad ever!!!! please. u just wait til you get dat lil computer gadjet you guys have gets wet. dat lil fony laptop gadget wont help u back n da woods.
Ahh....the computer is completly sealed, It is sealed the same way that a CDI on all other bikes and quads are sealed.
Posted by: JeffatTQS
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Originally posted by: badazz400
you know wat gets me is dat it takes a 440cc 4stroke cdale to compete with a 250cc 2stroke at da gncc's.
You know what gets me....there is not 1 single 250cc 2 stroke in the GNCC or GNC pro class this year. Every pro is riding 400cc and up 4-strokes. Even GNCC champ Bill Ballance said so long to the mighty 2 strokes.
Why don't you give up....you obviously don't know what your talking about with this subject.
Posted by: JeffatTQS
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Originally posted by: badazz400
no wonder i dont have one. they dont makem no more!!!!!!!!!! and i sure as he!! wouldnt have one if they did makem!! personally i believe id rather chew my left arm off than own one of them.
but anyway you like your cannondale i like my poli.. if your happy i am 2!
dat blaster comment was funny tho. u guys always seem 2 amuse me.
later
ross
Yet again where you don't know what your talking about. You can buy a brand new 04 Cannondale/ATK from any ATK dealer.
So.....your gonna show up at the Wisp GNCC on June 26th to put your money where your mouth is?
Posted by: WISTECH
Bdazz Sorry you feel that way . My speed is just plain awsome in dunes, snow and trails . I havent really taken it "muddin" yet and dought I ever will. I gave it up years ago. Just got sick of changing brake pads and wheel bearings in my Hondas and Im sure it would be the same on the cannon. With a tall first gear they arent much fun for slow put put riding where other quads are probalbly more suited.
Posted by: WISTECH
deuce, check your pm's
Posted by: WISTECH
Hey thomes Have you riden a 450r yet ,I did , It seems to have an excellent chassis and suspension but the powerplant leaves much to be desired. It looks like the yamaha 450 is still the quad to go after.
Posted by: WISTECH
I would personally never give a cannibal a second look . The whole purpose of the model was to be a "NO FRILLS" bare bones low cost model to be competative with sport quads out at the time. Which was a futile effort because there was no way you sell it at those prices keeping the alloy frame and efi so they tried to make up for it by using the cheapest parts available which detracted from the whole purpose of the quad. If you have the old school mentality of buy it new then tear all the new stock parts off and throw on thousands and thousands of dollars of aftermarket items then it would be preferable machine. I believe dinili will try to do the same thing with one of their models. Its to bad that most shootouts I have seen they used cannibals and then when they they didnt do so well everyone used that as the basis for comparison.
I believe Cannondales biggest downfall was a lack of experience and capital to build a exotic no comprimize super quad and bike from the ground up . I hear they estimated they could have done it for 25 million and ended up spending almost 100 million when they should have spent 200 million on r&d to do it right.
There have been so many cases of a product being doomed by flawed first release problems . Remember the 1984 pontiac fiero ,corvair,delorean,comet airplane. Even if the next year vehicles were flawless the damage was already done and got a bad rap for it and couldnt sell.
In cannondales case they they fixed many of the initial problems the second year and when money was getting short they implemented a bunch of cost saving measures that actualy caused a bunch of problems for the 3rd years. Valve covers ,cartridge plate bolts ,engine case material,crankshafts, became an issue later on in 2002 and 2003 models which wasnt a problem in 2001 and early 2002 models. This lead to a lot of engine problems and breakdowns and a lot of "I saw one getting towed back " comments.
On positve side if you do your research and understand that all the major problems are completlty fixable with not a lot of money (500 to 1000) you can have a very reliable machine. With prices on new ones so incredibly low ($5000 motos) they are very tempting but they are not a quad for everone and were never meant to be. So do your research and know what you are getting into before buying. For me I still have yet to find anything else that I would rather have but the gas gas,erasers,and yzf 450 are pretty high on my alternatives list.
Posted by: WISTECH
Thomes I consider the 450r and the yz450 old school quads. That gets into the race ready discusion.
14min I agree the base model should have had a farmed out cheap to build carbed 4 stroke or even cheaper 2 stroke with a steel frame to at least get a market hold and use the profits from those to then finish the r&d on the exotic equiptment. Woulda coulda shoulda.
There are many reasons the project failed but I think a lot of good came from it.
Posted by: WISTECH
Last winter we were crossing a river and the only quad that didnt make was a predator. Check out my page for proof. Deep water is nothing to my quad, those high mounted air filters come in handy. Allthough stalling it with the exhaust underwater would be bad.
Posted by: WISTECH
yes
Posted by: WISTECH
Yes go to cannondalers web site and cannondaleriders. All your questions will be answered in thier tech section.
Posted by: 4WHEELRACER
the dale rocks in any condition...... unless you want to go slow....
Posted by: thomez
Runs - better than any other 4stroke out there maybe minus YFZ
Top speed -mid to high 70's I would say.
Reliable - if you are willing to do some preventative things they are.
Posted by: thomez
LOL - and thats why Jeff Stoess is one of the top GNCC riders on his stock Blaze.
They are probably the best mudding sport quad from what I've seen... flat out amazing.
How could any sport quad suck at trail riding?
Are you upset cause they are faster? lol
Posted by: thomez
They all have that wonderful sound - it is from cut gears that are stronger and cause less friction - like a dragster. You want performance it is gonna have downfalls - one is the loud engine noise.
Still don't know what you are smokin about the mud/snow/rough stuff - suspension is great and they do well in mud. Only reason they wouldn't is tires.
You can't compare your 400 with 24" tires to a Dale running 20's.. lol
Polaris' have plenty of problems too
Posted by: thomez
You should race the GNCCs they are plenty muddy. With that scenario you'd be in the top 10 in the nation.
Posted by: thomez
No, I haven't ridden either the YFZ or the TRX - I watched Natalie ride his YFZ and Farr ride his R though, those guys can ride! but the bikes didn't look all that special to me. Natalie admitted he was not that impressed with the power from his YFZ and Farrar and Farr battled for 3 laps with Farrar riding his 'Dale - granted it is a SBM IV but he definitely had more power.
Over the summer I hope to get the chance.
Posted by: thomez
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Originally posted by: WISTECH
I would personally never give a cannibal a second look . The whole purpose of the model was to be a "NO FRILLS" bare bones low cost model to be competative with sport quads out at the time. Which was a futile effort because there was no way you sell it at those prices keeping the alloy frame and efi so they tried to make up for it by using the cheapest parts available which detracted from the whole purpose of the quad. If you have the old school mentality of buy it new then tear all the new stock parts off and throw on thousands and thousands of dollars of aftermarket items then it would be preferable machine. I believe dinili will try to do the same thing with one of their models. Its to bad that most shootouts I have seen they used cannibals and then when they they didnt do so well everyone used that as the basis for comparison.
Wis - that isn't old school. - Look how many people you see on the forums that just got their YFZ or TRX and have it apart in the garage for upgrades after break-in.
Posted by: thomez
Now THAT sounds like a good healthy challenge!
Posted by: thomez
You know whats funny?
Jeff could hand you your @ss on a Blaster
Posted by: mxquadracer
lol, this guys just trying to pick a fight. A challenge was made and he backed down, it's as simple as that. Badazz race or shutup dude, you obviously haven't seen the dales in action or you'd know what they're capable of. Unless you actually ride one don't bash dude, you obviously don't know a thing about the dales, because like said earlier they are fairly reliable there is just some certain things you can't do.
Posted by: draggincannibal
They are very fun to ride. Very predictable, and very reliable until you start to modify various parts. They usually don't have problems but mine is the only exception that I've heard of.
Posted by: kawasaki88man
What do you think about the cannibal?
How it runs?
Top speed?
Is it relieabal?
Posted by: badazz400
man theyre a good sandbox toy but they suck in any mud and trail riding
Posted by: badazz400
yea my buddy has one and its only a year old. it sounds god awful and i would never recomend the quad to a person who goes through any snow, mud or rough terrian. and yea theyre fast but theyre only good 4 one thing racing. if i had sponsers to help me pay for the little nik nak sh!t dats going to tear up on dat c dale id get one. on second thought id rather have a polaris with no sponser
Posted by: badazz400
lol, wat kind of terrian do you run in. when it comes to riding in mud da cannonadle is not even in my league. yes its fast but so is mine. you can go buy me in a race, but when i get you in the mud not only am i going 2 go by you im gonna leave you. oh yea and dats with my stock tires. trust me its been proven many of timesBR>
badazz400
Posted by: badazz400
wistech and 14mins you made some very good comments. the bottom line is if your looking for dependibility the cannondale is NOT!! the way to go. save your self alot of heartache, backpains, and knuckle bleeding, and do not purchase one of these machines!!!!!!
Posted by: badazz400
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HEEEE HHEEEEEE HAAAAAA HAAAAAA! R U SERIOUS?!?!?!?!?
Posted by: badazz400
so what your telling me is your cannondale can go through more mud than my sport can. come on man quit flatering yourself. i thought i told you boys that this experiment has already been done before, and i hope you dont call dat alot of mud at the GNCC races. i could make it through that on my little brothers z 50. apperantly you boys have never been riding in marsh mud.
ross
Posted by: badazz400
hey man where exactly is the GNCC's at? Id like to go.
Posted by: badazz400
I just checked out a man riding a canondale on the GNCC website. looks like to me he had alot of mud spun in his face. BR>
have a nice dayBR>
ross
Posted by: badazz400
To comment on mxquadracers thread, no im not trying to start a fight. im sorry if you cant take a joke. Yes I have rode a cannondale. I have seen its performance throughout many of trails, at which i was not impressed with at all! why would i go 6 hours across MD. to race a cannondale in the trails when i got one in my home town that i can beat any day of the week. Its not a matter of if you can beat me in a drag race, because you can. I just dont see how you can go through more mud than me when i have got more ground clearance, and a bigger tire.
ross
Posted by: badazz400
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Originally posted by: badazz400
lol, wat kind of terrian do you run in. when it comes to riding in mud da cannonadle is not even in my league. yes its fast but so is mine. you can go buy me in a race, but when i get you in the mud not only am i going 2 go by you im gonna leave you. oh yea and dats with my stock tires. trust me its been proven many of timesBR>
badazz400
I'll say it again, your belt will be slipping way before a Cannondale will even hickup in the water. You obviously have no idea how Cannondales are built, they are the most water proof sport quad ever made! Here is a little pic from round 2 of the GNCC series in Palatka FL of my good friend Rick Cecco on his Cannibal.
Florida
Here is a drowned out 400ex in the same hole
Honda
there the most waterproof sportquad ever!!!! please. u just wait til you get dat lil computer gadjet you guys have gets wet. dat lil fony laptop gadget wont help u back n da woods.
Posted by: badazz400
you know wat gets me is dat it takes a 440cc 4stroke cdale to compete with a 250cc 2stroke at da gncc's.
Posted by: badazz400
no wonder i dont have one. they dont makem no more!!!!!!!!!! and i sure as he!! wouldnt have one if they did makem!! personally i believe id rather chew my left arm off than own one of them.
but anyway you like your cannondale i like my poli.. if your happy i am 2!
dat blaster comment was funny tho. u guys always seem 2 amuse me.
later
ross
Posted by: badazz400
how much $$ we talkin!??! i could use some extra $$$!
BR>
ross
Posted by: Skeeve
Right now i have a Polaris Trailboss and its REALLY slow so im looking to get a better quad at a pice under $3000 so im looking into a 440 cannibal Overall how good is this quad?
Posted by: cdaleracer315
I have seen many cannibles made into motos, do you think they are just as good a a true moto?
Posted by: cdaleracer315
I just bought my moto, are there any things that i need to be aware of, or need to take better note of to kep it running great?.....any suggestions or advise on it will be well appreciated
Posted by: cdaleracer315
what about the carbon hood?....cant seem to find one anywhere
Posted by: cdaleracer315
thanks, I will look to see if I can find one...Also, why have i blown a fuse 20 amp, located on the left side by the front whhel...What is it for, and is there anything that I could do to keep it from happening again?.....Thanks for all the help you guys have been givin me, I am a new dale owner, and I can sure use all the help I can get with it
Posted by: cdaleracer315
Badazz....why are you so interested about cannondales ? Are you maybe one of those who only wish they could trade in that polaris for a dale, but cant find a dealer anywhere that would want it? to me, sounds like your jealous, so what better way than bash what you cant have
