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Posted by: Trx440
Frank was actually trying to buy the rights to the Husaberg Enforcers 18 months ago [or so]. ATK has beeen trying to get in the ATV market for a while.
Posted by: Trx440
Will Dinli be using the same engine layout/frame as the former model line? It will be nice for the current owners if they continue to make the same parts. I will be interested to see what the frames look like if they continue to use aluminum. Cannondale welds look like artwork, at least that's how it is on my bicycles.
Just what did ATK buy? The left over parts inventory? Who bought the manufacturing equipment? Dinli? I'm so confused. Help me, Help me, I've fallen and I can't get up!
Would someone mind telling me in 3 sentences or less just what the ____ is going on?
Posted by: rockrider
Dinli? Why is that exicting? Arn't they a Tawianese company that makes mini quads?
Posted by: evhwg
sure it isnt one company buying another company for STOCK gains?
Posted by: Sandgod
ATK right here in my home state of Utah. Right ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Frank White does things and he does them right.. Put that bad boy two stroke Maico Intimidator 500cc, 620cc 685cc, motor in the best frame ever made and improve our motors also.
Posted by: Sandgod
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Originally posted by: thunderalley400ex
Well what I know is that ATK just bought the Cannondale parts and not Cannondale motorsports which would of gave them the right to make Cannondale quads. Peges still owns that part of the Cannondale franchise...
Your'e correct, but there is hope. Ya never know... Another company got the rights to the quads/dirtbikes..
Posted by: Sandgod
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Originally posted by: desertgears
Talked to my buddies out East tonight and was told the owner of the company that supplied the gears to Cannondale will be going to Utah next month. The designs for the Cannondale quiet gear sets were dusted off and are being reviewed by engineering and will be going along to Utah so....................Maybe there is still hope for an American made ride!
If what you say is true on the new gearset I would think ATK will move foward on it. R&S says they can knock the engine noise down by 25% w/ something they offer, I forget..
Evhwg ATK is just a small company. I know I live in Utah and have followed them for over 10 yrs... They rescued us that's for sure and can probably compliment the ATK line w/ something from this deal..
Posted by: Sandgod
I hate to say it, but if the Dale isn't made in America it has lost it's edge as far as a consumer stand point. HarleyDavidson=proud Americans. C-Dale and Tawain=nothing.....
Posted by: MXZX
ATK is the only American based company (Utah) to produce dirt bikes. They were growing during the late 80's-early 90's. They have some cool bikes, but are manly into dirt track bikes now. They use ROTAX motors, and I remember that at one time around 1990(?) they had a prototype ATV, using a 604cc 4 stroke motor. It was incredibly fast, awesome suspension etc.. but they could find a way to produce them affortably. The final proto-type they built, if it went for sale, would have gone for over 15 grand, so they scrapped the project.
It would be nice if a somewhat succesfull American motorsports company was able to produce the Cannondale atvs/bikes. ATK had some very innovative designs in their day, and boost in some new technology might bring them up to par with the major players in the business. Even if they if they were at they level of the Husaberg or the Gas-Gas level. Not the biggest or the cheapest, but just about the best money can buy.
Posted by: cannondale27
I heard recently that ATK was working out a deal with Maco for motors also.Didnt even know Maco was still aroun but I guess in europe they still sell.
Posted by: desertgears
Talked to my buddies out East tonight and was told the owner of the company that supplied the gears to Cannondale will be going to Utah next month. The designs for the Cannondale quiet gear sets were dusted off and are being reviewed by engineering and will be going along to Utah so....................
Maybe there is still hope for an American made ride!
Posted by: desertgears
As mentioned, the quiet gears are not unique to Cdale but are an engineering exercise that Cdale did not want to invest in until the last months of production. Then they talked about having the work done but never committed by issuing purchase orders, but the boys out East went ahead on their own thinking Cdale had no choice but to bring down the DB of the engine. Of course we all know what happended and my buddies ate the cost of R&D but that might be recovered with the new relationship with ATK. In the research for Cdale they also discovered some profiles that they are currently using to develop a new race trans for road bikes so the work was not totally lost.
The way I understand things is that ATK uses Rotax and this foray into Cdale motors would be a breakout for them. As far as intellectual properties there are few patents on the machines but what is of value is the drawings and specifications. A little reverse engineering is all that is need to overcome that issue if they can not get the drawings. I can't see anything on the bikes that has not been done before so maybe the patents are just paper and can be easily broken.
I would think that there are not too may obsticles in the way for a rebirth of Cdale motor sports. The bike/ATV will probably never be a mass market item if done right, but that's typical of a high end performance machine. Here's hoping Frank White will do the right thing and bring back an American made performance vehicle. If he does, and the Dinli outfit brings something out also, all I can say is for me, American made goes and off shore blows!
Sorry all you off-shore bike owners but my paycheck comes from an American company and I would rather see my American friends and neighbors prosper than someone I will never meet much less ride with.
Posted by: raptor8
yes. they are.
Posted by: raptor8
mmm. they may be picking the meat off the bones. the parts division goes one way, the motorsports goes another? doesnt sound good to me. sounds like it's being parted out. I hope not.
and Dinli makes those weird looking mini atvs from Taiwan. This is gonna be interesting...
Posted by: raptor8
aw come on... play nice now. we'll have to wait and see.
and I am curious why ATK bought just the parts division. that's very strange, I guess we shall see. A comeback would be cool!
Posted by: RacinJason
Cannondale is dead...it has been buried....please please let it rest in peace
It didn't do anything that great in its life that anyone should mourn its loss
Posted by: thunderalley400ex
Well what I know is that ATK just bought the Cannondale parts and not Cannondale motorsports which would of gave them the right to make Cannondale quads. Peges still owns that part of the Cannondale franchise...
Posted by: thunderalley400ex
Oh yes after another 2 or 3 weeks parts should be ready to be shipped to dealers around the counrty!
Posted by: oldsandman
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Originally posted by: MDE3
Sounds like maybe they bought the parts division to get the designs for the "quiet gears". This technology would not be limited to Cannondales.
The "quiet gears" are not propietary. Just like the "electronic control boards" from another thread.
Posted by: oldsandman
As much as I hate to I have to agree with tester...I really can't see atk starting back up production of the quads, bikes maybe. At best I think it will be a limited production of quad/bike with parts on hand, parts that aren't sold outright to fill current demand. I hope Mr. White really is going to do the things he says. But looking at it from a financial stand point I really don't see where it makes sense. It is just too small of a market and price will not be competitive with the yfz or the new honda. I can see atk using the motor to fill the four stroke slot in their line of bikes though. The quad line just seems too costly and c-dales market niche will be filled by trx450 and yfz 450 before atk can start production. I can see atk supporting the dales already out there as a parts vendor/supplier.
Posted by: tester
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Originally posted by: desertgears
As mentioned, the quiet gears are not unique to Cdale but are an engineering exercise that Cdale did not want to invest in until the last months of production. Then they talked about having the work done but never committed by issuing purchase orders, but the boys out East went ahead on their own thinking Cdale had no choice but to bring down the DB of the engine. Of course we all know what happended and my buddies ate the cost of R&D but that might be recovered with the new relationship with ATK. In the research for Cdale they also discovered some profiles that they are currently using to develop a new race trans for road bikes so the work was not totally lost.
The way I understand things is that ATK uses Rotax and this foray into Cdale motors would be a breakout for them. As far as intellectual properties there are few patents on the machines but what is of value is the drawings and specifications. A little reverse engineering is all that is need to overcome that issue if they can not get the drawings. I can't see anything on the bikes that has not been done before so maybe the patents are just paper and can be easily broken.
I would think that there are not too may obsticles in the way for a rebirth of Cdale motor sports. The bike/ATV will probably never be a mass market item if done right, but that's typical of a high end performance machine. Here's hoping Frank White will do the right thing and bring back an American made performance vehicle. If he does, and the Dinli outfit brings something out also, all I can say is for me, American made goes and off shore blows!
Sorry all you off-shore bike owners but my paycheck comes from an American company and I would rather see my American friends and neighbors prosper than someone I will never meet much less ride with.
Tester agrees. Much R&D work was wa wa wasted in the last months of the project. Sad, but its over. With all the good things tyhat were on the drawing board and in process, its sad it a fell into the Sheet can . The boys from Taiwan can't pick up and carry it. As for ATK, Tester says its just a parts game and we'll probably never see any new products.
Posted by: tester
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Originally posted by: oldsandman
As much as I hate to I have to agree with tester...I really can't see atk starting back up production of the quads, bikes maybe. At best I think it will be a limited production of quad/bike with parts on hand, parts that aren't sold outright to fill current demand. I hope Mr. White really is going to do the things he says. But looking at it from a financial stand point I really don't see where it makes sense. It is just too small of a market and price will not be competitive with the yfz or the new honda. I can see atk using the motor to fill the four stroke slot in their line of bikes though. The quad line just seems too costly and c-dales market niche will be filled by trx450 and yfz 450 before atk can start production. I can see atk supporting the dales already out there as a parts vendor/supplier.
Tester thanks you for your support! Tester can assure those in doubt that Tester knows many things.
Love,
Tester
Posted by: KGB
wow, thats unbelieveable! Is there a press release? Man, I am as excited about that as the Honda! Tell me what you know!
Posted by: dsracer666
they were still more relible then raptors!I have 2 in parts in my garage right now!
Posted by: SpotOnTheRug
to my understanding atk is working on a 700cc two stroke quad to be made here. they have it in a motorcycle now but are looking for a company to do r&d on the chassis side of it. don't ask me how a two stroke will make it past epa with there lovely standards on air pollition.
Posted by: MDE3
Sounds like maybe they bought the parts division to get the designs for the "quiet gears". This technology would not be limited to Cannondales.
Posted by: MDE3
I stand doubly corrected....was speculating of course.and it would make sense. On the electronics - I understood they had some problems as RRP was working on testing some new prototypes for the control modules a little over a year ago - having seen problems both on the bikes as well as the quads.
Hard information is alays preferrable over speculation.
Posted by: Alpinesports1
Hey Lewis
Thanks for the vote of confidence. DinLi makes the best youth ATV on the market in our opinion. We had to wait for the word to say anything but we got the OK Friday To let you all know that DinLi will be making the Cannondale ATV's in Tiwan in the near future.
Posted by: Alpinesports1
Dont be confused. ATK ownes only the parts that were left
