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Posted by: DuneDevil
I have used this map.
On the dyno with a filter and exhaust, it produced 43.8 hp.
On the dunes, It was great! I would recomend it to just about anyone.
DuneDevil
Posted by: DuneDevil
That is a thought........
How much can the map be "richened up"? It would be fun to play with some "liquid oxygen" in the fuel to see if I could break the 50hp mark.
Just kinda wish I had a Dyno around here.
Anyone in KC know of a dyno.
DuneDevil
Posted by: jcv400ex
There's no way to "marry" two maps or anything like that. They would have to modify the current fuel parameters of a map to reflect another map....1986ATC can explain it better.
Posted by: jcv400ex
I was gonna ask you about the Timing Gabe. I guess a good setup to run for the lighter guys is the Motard setup. I guess the timing is quite a bit more advanced than the Moto.
Didn't mean to sound like a dick Lap.
Posted by: Kodiak01
Whats the diference between the Speed & Cannibal maps? If say the Cannibal has more bottom-end, wouldnt it be decent if someone combined them for us guys with the stock exhaust?
Im not sure if the only difference is the Rev-Limit or not.
Posted by: 1986atc250r
Yes, that is a map I made by special request...
It is available for download from cannondaler.com or on the Cannondale Yahoo email group
It is a moto basemap that switches to Speed mappings around 8000 RPM (can't remeber the exact RPM).
If anyone needs the exact RPM of the switchover, I can look at it and figure it out.
Posted by: 1986atc250r
Dune Devil, I saw a dyno run with 45 HP using my map, only they richened it a bit by using the injector size parameter in the M&D kit. Something to play with....
Posted by: 1986atc250r
Actually, the traction maps were made by Optimum.
Yes, I can look at them and see what the differences are compared to another map if you like. Just let me know what one you'd like to check out.
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Not sure where the limit is on richening up the map, they said they richened it a few times and each time the power curve smoothed out and extended thru the top further.
Posted by: 1986atc250r
Fueling varies between moto and speed, the speed map has more timing on the top end.
I looked at Cannibal traction map 1 compared to speed - less timing across the board, less accel transient, no fueling changes.
This means the engine will feel more mellow and have less explosive acceleration with the traction map (hence the name?).
Posted by: 1986atc250r
Worth a try if you have the equipment to upload maps.... You could always go back to stock if you were not happy with the results.
Posted by: 1986atc250r
The only difference in the Cannibal and Speed maps is the rev limit.
Posted by: cannondale27
Gabe made the motospeed at my request because I loved the top end of the speed but it was hard to get a good third gear start with plain speed.Motospeed solved that.I am glad to hear that guys are getting better dyno readings by richening since that is what we found doing our testing without a dyno.I believe the speedmap kicks in at 7400 rpm.
Posted by: MadeMan
does the moto have a weak top end or something? what's the deal?
Posted by: MadeMan
so the speed map has a little more fuel for the higher RPM's?? or more of a top end hit??? let me know guys. really curious about that.
Posted by: MadeMan
the reason I ask is because I own a 03 moto 440 and wasn't thinking about changing my map ... but now.. I dunnna know... things to think about... tell me what you guys think
Posted by: zwilldog
quadsource for $280
Posted by: jschner
I have heard of some guys using motorcycle maps in their quads with great success.
The S440 and X440 maps are identical except the throttle transient sensitivity is more sensitive with the S440 map. All the fuel and timings are the same. Below 4K they are pretty mellow probably for holeshoting. The most aggressive bike map we have is Radical Rons CX map. It combines the aggressive low end of the C map with the upper power of the S and Xmap with a TS of 110. One guy said it made his bike feel real close to his KTM520.
YMMV
Posted by: jschner
$300 and you can buy them at www.optimum-power.com
Posted by: LapTraff1c
I understand there is a Moto speed MAP out that uses the bottom end from a Moto and speed map for the top.
Anyone using this?
Where can I find the file?
Posted by: LapTraff1c
I dont know, I havent tried that Map, from what I understand the sped has a better top end so someone married the two maps. I think Dubya1 knows a bit more about it
Posted by: LapTraff1c
I got off another board where you can download the MAP. 'Marry' may not have been the best term, but I didnt know a better way to describe it. The MAP from what I understand uses the fuel parameters for the Moto map up to, I believe, 7400 RPM then uses the fuel parameters from the speed map. Supposedly taking the best of both?
It was apparently made by Gabe (atc250r)
Posted by: LapTraff1c
Thanks for clarifying that BR>
What are the significant characteristics of the Traction maps on the candaler page, I know that Dubya made them, I just didnt know if you knew the differences and how they performed?
Posted by: LapTraff1c
oh, I just wanted to know in general how they performed relative to eachother (there are 3 of them) and there's not a lot of info. I dont have the software for doing my own downloads so I like to know a little bit before considering the map.
Dont sweat it though, Im definately giving the moto speed a try.
Thanks
Posted by: LapTraff1c
Explosive acceleration = Happiness.
I think that's what they were looking for with the Moto / Speed map Hard hit all the way through.
I need the software so I can screw around with this stuff.
Thanks for the info
Posted by: LapTraff1c
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Didn't mean to sound like a dick Lap. hr>
LOL
didnt even notice
Posted by: UPSIDEDOWN
Anyone ever try a motorcycle map?
Posted by: UPSIDEDOWN
Anyone know how much a DM kit is and where to buy one?
Posted by: UPSIDEDOWN
Thank you!
