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Posted by: jmoney45
lt250r91,
I see you are from Ohio. Where is your dealer located? Do you know of any others up here that will sell the quad? I am really only about 3 hours from Ohio so its not that far anyways. That is one nice looking machine. Can't imagine buying a new 2 stroke that is not purely a dune machine. Pretty cool.
Posted by: jmoney45
Thanks for the info. I will check around to see who plans on selling the quad.
Posted by: jcv400ex
Armoks,
Don't tell me that! I'm gonna end up getting divorced before I even get married! That's only an hour away from me.....
Might have to cancel the GSXR purchase now......
Posted by: AlkyBurninX
I don't see how there is any possible way to twist and ATV axle. No matter how hard I holeshot my banshee I will either spin or if I hook, I will stand straight up. Both of these take the torque off of the axle. The only twisting I have heard of in relation to an axle is on the durablue X-33. The bolt in the pin drive hubs has been known to shear off if it isn't kept tight. This happens in a hard turn with extreme side loads, usually coupled with sudden hard acceleration.
What are the two versions (52 and 48") designed for? I am guessing the 52" is for desert only? 50" is as wide as is allowed in TT and I believe it is the same for MX racing.
I am impressed with what I see from Gas Gas bikes. I will definetly check one out when they come on the market. I guess since Yamaha is pulling from the 2-stoke market, Gas Gas is going to try to fill the void.
Posted by: markvette
now i could be wrong so correct me if i am. i have heard that the U.S. is going to ban production of all 2 strokes in the near future. why would any bike company put all the money in research and developement of something you can only sell for a couple of years. then if you own one parts will be hard to get and probably very costly
Posted by: AlaskaYFM
it is amazing what reverse engineering and a couple years can do... for some reason, though, I was under the impression that Gas Gas had designed their own 400cc and 250cc four-stroke engines???
Posted by: DSBUDDY
that quad would look nice with a set of those carbon fiber wheels
Posted by: bbertram
Any updates on this?
Posted by: special
I cant wait till you give your first ride report.That thing looks sweet.
Posted by: MrP
There is no way I could ride with a twist throttle. It doesnt matter if it was a 2 stroke or 4 stroke. I would kill myself.
Posted by: CBUS660R
Hey LT, what's going on. Did you go to the GasGas homepage and check out the press releases? They have a picture of one of the Mclaren F1 drivers (Kimi Raikonen?) powersliding the 300 on a trail. Can you imagine C-Dale getting Little E or Jeff Gordon to do some PR for them, that would be sweet!
Posted by: CBUS660R
The 2-stroke ban that everyone keeps talking about is only going to be for "off-road models", not "competition use only" models. As everything is now, all quads are sold as off-road models, but if you look at dirtbikes, the mx models (CR, KX, RM, YZ, and SX) are "competition use only". California already bans MX bikes made after a certain date of production from riding on public lands. Someone from Cali can give you better info as to exactly how it works. Basically, the EPA is looking at making the Cali laws the model for the national regulations. Its not so much about banning the manufacturing of 2 strokes, just preventing their use on public lands. At least that is how I understand it to be, but as always, I accept no liability if I'm wrong! Also, if you are a small company (KTM and GasGas like lt250r91 mentioned) that makes or imports less than a certain number, you do have a different set of rules to play by.
Posted by: CBUS660R
No thumb throttle may not be that big of an issue. The 250R that I just bought came with a twist throttle and I love it. I'm not sure I would want a twist for an instant response 4-stroke like a C-Dale, but with the 2 stroke when you are bouncing around a gear high and off the pipe, a twist is fine. After a few minutes to get used to it, I would have to say there is no way I'm going back to thumb (at least for the R or another 2-stroke). Did you ever try a twist on your old LT250R?
Posted by: CBUS660R
I know the whole twist vs. thumb is a very subjective argument and I never would have bought one myself, but since the R already had one, I figured what the h*##, I might as well try it out. I am glad I did, but I also have a background in dirt and street bikes, so that probably is a large reason why I was able to get used to it. On the other hand, one of my riding buddies tried one on his 400EX and hated it and went back to the thumb after a couple of rides and he rode CRs before getting into quads. If you have already tried one and don't like it, I'm certainly not going to tell you that you are wrong, I'm just saying that in my personal experience, it really surprised me and I'm glad I gave it a shot. It is also important to note that I trail ride and will be getting into harescrambles and GNCCs. No MX for me.
Posted by: KNOWSALOT
I may be wrong here, since i don't deal with GasGas, buty I thought that the engine that they copied from Yamaha [YZF] was a 400cc instead of a 450cc?????
It also only has a 4 valve head instead of the 5 valve like the Yamaha. Also the valves aren't titanium like the Yamaha.
I read a test of this engine in a dirtbike with the fuel injection setup and heard nothing but good things about it. Sounds like a winner to me.
Posted by: KNOWSALOT
lt250r91,
Well, I'm not sure if they copied it or if it is actually built by Yamaha.
The enginecases are identical as are the cylinder and head externally. The only difference that I see is on paper. 4 valves instead of 5.
They call this a "Spanish YZ400F" but I don't know if that is a Yamaha term or a term made up by those working on the project.
Like I said....I could be dead wrong. I'm not much of a GasGas fan. [We sell KTM....LOL]
Posted by: mojavekid13
SWEET the only dealer is i NS thast where i live!! man i will have to find out where that is!! Its only an hour and a half drive to get to bouth ends of the whole frigin province!! because iam right n the middle!! cant wait!! gotta find out where it is!
Posted by: mojavekid13
Thast sooo cool! Thast only about a hour drive from where I live!! Iam gonna go down on the weekedn adn check em out! and i will let u guys knwo what i think!
Posted by: YoDaddy
About the axle twisting. What I've seen happen is the axle cracking all the way around about a quarter of an inch deep, and when the wheel starts wobbling, the axle twists and then snaps (like over tighting a bolt). I saw that happen on a Raptor once. I seriously doubt that the GAs Gas quads put out near enough power to twist an axle apart w/o cracking the axle all the way around like I just described.
Hope that made sence.
Posted by: YoDaddy
After the axle cracks, the outside half of the axle will bend where it's cracked. When that happens, instead of the wheel/tire rolling across the ground, it will kind of bounce along due to the wobbling, and it just gets progressively worse (like breaking a toothpick in half and spinning one end... the other end will flop all over the place) and the axle starts to twist more and more as that tire and outside half of the axle wobble more and more. After a little while (a very little while... it goes pretty fast) the whole half of the axle just twists apart and flies across the track. The one I saw do that shot about 20 feet straight up in the air. LOL, it was pretty cool watchin it.
Maybe that explains it a little better? These explanations sound a lot better before I type them out.
Posted by: YoDaddy
Because tree huggers have taken over this country. GasGas is from Spain, so the European market is their biggest. I don't think they are all that worried about the American market since they have never been big sellers here.
Posted by: zukimanmx
What's the site for that, I went to gasgas.com, but couldn't find any info.
Posted by: scarecrow
Yamaha is changing the YZ400/new 426 to a 450 this year, so perhaps one reason is this change.
Posted by: lt250r91
Stop at the dealer to talk to him about the new Gas Gas 300 Quad. He just got back from the dealers meeting over the weekend. If anyone was at the Badlands sunday they might have seen the new quad, since the dealers were test riding the machine there. Here's what he told me:
First the quad is schedule for release the first or second week of October.
They change the dura-blue axle out for a stronger one since they had problems twisting the dura-blue (has anyone ever heard of this problem on another quad? I heard of them break do to jumping, but not from twisting in half do to too much power.)
Juan, the guy in that is in charge of the testing and inproving the gas gas products, told the dealer that the quad has been tested in races all over the world for the past year.
Juan also said that Dirtwheels has been bugging them to get a test ride on the machine, but he knows how they work and is refusing to let them ride the machine, because if Gas Gas doesn't pay them dirtwheels will pick the quad apart.
The machine will have to models a 52" wide and a 48" version.
450 4-stroke fuel injected quad that is schedule to release early next year.
I have a couple picture with specs on the machine but don't know where I can post them so if someone can tell me how or where I'll do it or if you want them e-mail to you pm me.
Posted by: lt250r91
The twisting the axle thing is what Juan told the dealers. I don't know the details and have not seen one twist either that's why I was asking about it.
As for the widths of the machine the 52" was geared towards motocross (remember this is a European quad so the reason for the 52" width is maybe their rules allow it. Plus It maybe adjustable)
The 48" is for woods and trail riding.
The only difference that I know of between the 2 is the width.
Posted by: lt250r91
I saw that. He even had special black plastic for the machine. Looks like fun doesn't. Can't wait to get mind. It would be nice to see someone Like that from Nascar. I would pick Jimmy Johnson though, since he started his racing career on a Honda Pilot.
Posted by: lt250r91
Knowsalot
Gas Gas was going to go with a 400cc 4-stroke, but opted to design a new 450cc 4-stroke instead. The 450 will also be in the 2003 bikes. I have no clue on copying Yamaha's engine.
Here are some websites that I've been checking on the new info of the quad.
Gas Gas website Gas Gas
MotoMerlin Website Merlin
Infomotores, this is the one CBUS660R was talking about F1.info
Quadtreros They did a review on the quad quadtreros
Jas they have a couple pics on the machine Jas.es
Posted by: lt250r91
Yep, the 300cc will retail for $7000 and the 450cc for $7700. I would call and talk to the dealer and make sure that he sells them, because some dealers just do the trails only. If that is the case I'm sure another dealer would be interested in shipping it to your dealer or making some type of arrangement.
Posted by: lt250r91
I can't wait to get my hands on one and I definity will have a report with lots of pics . I just hope the collar bone can handle all the power.
Yodaddy
I think I know what your saying, I haven't seen what the axles looked like and have never heard or seen one do something like that. So at least I know it can happen.
Hey Knowsalot since you sell KTM's do you know Mark Hyde? I live near him and have talked to him every now and then, also got to meet Rodney Smith a couple years ago at Mark's house. Mark has helped me work on the old Suzuki quad.
Posted by: lt250r91
mojavekid13 & CreditGuy
Here is the website for the dealer in Dartmouth, NS: GasGas Atlantic
The price on the EC300 bike is $8395 CND and it's a little less than what the US dollar amount of the quad. So I would guess around $8600 CND for the Quad.
You might want to give them a call and your questions.
Here's all their info:
GasGas Atlantic
135 Main St., Unit#14
Dartmouth, NS
(902)434-8516
Posted by: lt250r91
Mark
I thought the same thing until I found that how the current laws on atv's are worded. It only effects the ones that are made in the USA. Overseas company's (Gas Gas and KTM) don't have to meet the current rules. That's why some of the mini conpany's prices are lower than Suzuki and the other major companys that are produced in the USA. They don't have to meet the safety regs. It's a loop hole for now. Plus Gas Gas is working with the ATVA, along with other companys to keep the 2-strokes from being banned. They might end up with major restrictions, but who knows.
Posted by: lt250r91
The dealer that I'm talking to is in Dover, Ohio. Don and his wife own the shop and the name of the shop is Race Ready Cycles. He sells Gas Gas and VOR Bikes and now the new quad. There are a couple dealers a little closer for me, but he was the only one to call me back and he's a super nice guy. He's going to give me a deal on the machine plus a percentage off on parts. If you are looking for a dealer closer to you go to GasGas and check out the dealer list. One warning not all the dealers in this list carry the quad and dirt bikes, some just carry the trails. So call and make sure that they have what you want. If you plan on going to talk to Don at Race Ready Cycles tell him that I (Mike) told you about the place. Hey maybe if I help him sell some of the quads I'll get a better deal Hope that helps
Posted by: lt250r91
New Info
I just got off the phone with the dealer.
First off the front shocks have a 10" travel.
No factory thumb throdle option, have to buy aftermarket one.
Rear rims have been changed to Beadlocks.
The dealer was not sure on the rear shock travel.
WP steering Damper is an option that you have to buy extra. (I'll get the Denton it's cheaper).
Still no offical release date.
I'm also talking with Houser Racing on long travel fronts.
I'll let everyone know if I get anymore info.
Posted by: lt250r91
I rode a 200x three wheeler once with a twist and hit a tree do to pinning the throdle on accident. I have a tendency to roll my wrist when I corner on a quad, so I think the twist will have to go. I'm going to give it a try just to see if I like it.
Posted by: lt250r91
To make it easier for everyone I have posted the flyer on Yahoo. Here is the link: GasGas Flyer
Posted by: lt250r91
mountainman10
I've heard it's supposed to be faster.
DSBUDDY
I've got 2 sets for my c'dale. I'm hoping the bolt patterns the same. If so I'll have a set on it as soon as I get the machine.
Posted by: lt250r91
Latest News on the GasGas Quad:
My dealer just called me a hour ago do said that they are doing invoices on the machines and was told to tell his customers 3 weeks on the quad. The reason for the delay was do to them changing the front to get 1 more inch of travel(it either has 10 or 11" of travel up front now). Becuase of this Ohlins had hard time meeting the order on the new shocks, putting them 3-4 weeks behind.
So look for a review on the machine in the next 3-4 weeks.
Posted by: lt250r91
Check here Dealer List
There is 2 dealers in VA. One in Parkersburg (Black's Motorsports) and the other in Beckley (Cycle City Inc).
Posted by: lt250r91
The lastest news check out this site
http://www.off-road.com/atv/press/gasgas/wildhp300.html
Posted by: lt250r91
Just got off the phone with dealer on the quad and he said they should be hitting the dealers in 2-3 weeks. There has been a price hike on the quads do to the addition of the beadlocks and shipping cost and misc. things. The new price has been set at $7695 for the 300cc 2-stroke and when the 450cc 4-stroke is release your looking around $8395. This is $700 more than the orginal prices of the quads. The other bad news is GasGas is not going to give me a factory discount on the machine. They don't plan on any factory help until maybe next year.
Posted by: lt250r91
Mountainman10
I hope your right, cause mine just told me $7900 OTD for the one I have on order (300cc 2-stroke). That's with his $500 off and $150 worth of accessories. If that's the deal he makes I'd jump on it. Since GasGas isn't going to help me with the cost I guess I'll be looking for new riding gear. I'm not going to pay full price for their overpriced Hebo line that has Team GasGas on it. Let me what the final price OTD from you dealer when he has it so I can tell mine. thanks
Posted by: lt250r91
Yep I got mine. Read the post on GasGas update (PICS). That is if you haven't already.
Posted by: armoks
I don't know if this is closer to you but grove city cycles in pa said they will be getting them grove city
Posted by: CreditGuy
I saw in their website that they have one dealer in Canada (Nova Sotia). I hope this guy will sell the quads. Do you know what is the price of the 300 2 stroke ?
Posted by: CreditGuy
It is in Dartmouth body.....
I sent an E-mail yesterday to them in order to know if they are selling the quad and what was is the Canadian price but no answer yet. Keep me in touch if you have more info....The dealer is Gas Gas Atlantic.
Posted by: mountainman10
SWEET!!!!!!!
Is it going to be as fast as a C-dale, If it is I'll take two.
Posted by: mountainman10
I just got off of the gas gas web site and it only shows 3 dealers in the US. The nearest place to me is indiana according to the site. It doesn't even show the one in Ohio. Does anybody know where I could look to find a dealer in my area?
Posted by: mountainman10
I talked to a dealer in my area today and he said he should have the 2-stroke in about a month. He said the 4-stroke was on hold and he had no clue on a release date for it. He also said that the price on the 2-stroke was going to be in the ballpark of $6600 with the four stroke a couple hundred higher. I thought that sounded too good to be true with all of the features they are going to have and questioned it but he said that is what he was told by gas gas. I hope he is right. If he is I need to make some room in my garage!
