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Posted by: jcv400ex
All the engines should have the tranny window. Cannondale's supplier of the windows ran out, and Cannondale still wanted to produce the engines. The allen wrench drain hole is temporary. Cannondale should be sending the dealers the windows, to install into the engines with the allen bolt setup.
Posted by: jcv400ex
The tubes seem to be larger, but the main thing is, they've made them narrower. There is less room now between the arms and the shocks. I can barely slide my hand down in between the shock body and the a-arm now. I believe this would aid in rigidity(is that a word?)and handling, less flex.
They also have a "shield" now that covers the ball joints. I don't understand it, it's like the A Arms have a cup where the ball joints go in. Just looks like a place for dirt and water to lay in to me.
I like the steering stem alot better! I have one order....as soon as they're available anyway. BR>
Posted by: jcv400ex
yep
Posted by: 1986atc250r
Speed map will get you the same thing... It's only 700 RPM.
Cannibal rev limit - 10,800
all others - 11,500
Certainly not anything to write home about. Hardly worth the couple minutes remapping time.
Posted by: 1986atc250r
Smitty, do you have that map file on hand? If so, please email me
Posted by: 1986atc250r
Very cool... Shoot me an e-mail anyhow, your profile doesn't show yours...
Posted by: 1986atc250r
Interesting observations...
On 2002 models equipped with either Arvins or Ohlins, I found the Ohlins to be more plush for casual riding. It seemed that the Arvins had a more firm spring rate but would blow thru the travel more easily if pushed (less high speed comp damping).
Much of the harshness that comes from the 02 bikes stems from control arm binding on the urethane bushings. Fix that and you will vastly improve suspension action.
Maybe they fixed the control arm issues on 03 which makes the Arvins "feel" better than 02 quads?
Posted by: 1986atc250r
Hmm.. Well, the only place I compared the two was at the sand dunes and the one with Arvins was brand new (although mine was only a week old)...
Just felt like, on the sand, that the Arvins danced around a bit more. May be different on the trail though.
We've also got a Speed that's been converted to the Moto front and rear (by someone else). The Moto control arms have quite a bit of slop in them at the attach points to the frame - does that sound typical of the ones you've dealt with?? The control arms do move freely, but there's enough slop in there to make front end setting changes on the fly-- not good.... Haven't investigated further yet.
Also, lately I've noticed that my idle speed on my cannibal keeps getting lower and lower... Haven't adjusted it yet, but it does make me curious that this setting is changing on it's own. Seems like I read somewhere that was a sign of throttle body wear.
It also seems like I read somewhere in C-Dale's stuff that the throttle body shaft is supported on bearings, which should make the assembly last a very long time. Any thoughts? I haven't had time to investigate this one myself yet either.
Posted by: 1986atc250r
A worn cable affecting the idle speed? Shouldn't the throttle be setting against a throttle stop and not having the cable holding it open?
I spent a little time adjusting my throttle a while back. Seems that it must be set perfectly in order not to affect idle yet still get WOT. Seems that a little cable stretch would prevent the quad from getting full throttle.
I'm hesitant to adjust the idle detent because of the TPS voltage change. In a fuel injected car, this would throw off the whole idle air circuit and cause problems. Luckily (I guess), with the CDale the only thing the IAC is used for is cold start and it has no feedback, only a pre-determined position vs temp. However, in the Cannondale, it does throw off the throttle percent calculation which affects fueling across the board -- unless you re-upload the map with the new setting. Unfortunately, I am having trouble accepting that I must give Optimum $300 for software and a cable that should cost $100, so I don't have the maintenance & diag kit.
Control arms... Does the Moto setup use a spherical bearing like a Honda 400EX control arm? This quad has very few hours on it, I'm thinking it hasn't had enough time on it even if there was an absence of lube for it to develop this much slop due to wear. I'm wondering if it was an error by the person that assembled the front end, or just a design problem (much like the Cannibal arms).
Posted by: KNOWSALOT
The set ammount of LEs were 200.
Each dealer was allowed an allocation of no more than 5. Even though this is the rule, there are a few dealers who received more.
If the number of units ordered exceeded the 200, those allocations would be honored. [More than 200]
220 units as of two weeks ago.
4strokemadman or Mikexcr might know the current numbers being that they both work for Cannondale.
Posted by: KNOWSALOT
One more thing to mention regarding this topic....
The 2003 LE Cannibals do not have the new style A-arms.
Only the standard Cannibal and other Cannondale models have them.
Posted by: KNOWSALOT
2003 Cannibal.......Fox Rear / Arvin Front
2003 Cannibal LE....Ohlins Rear / Arvin Front
Regarding the fronts.....
The Arvins are much better suited to "all-around" riding than the Ohlins fronts found on the early 2002 models. They are more comfortable than the Ohlins at slow speeds and on the trails where you don't see many jumps. I would pick the Arvins over the Ohlins anyday unless I planned to race motocross. Not that the Arvins couldnt handle it, but the Ohlins would be better for this purpose.
Regarding the rear......
The Ohlins rear shock on the 2003 LE model is the same rear that was on the 2002 models. There really aren't any differences between the Ohlins and Fox rear shocks when it comes to the casual rider. both are comfortable but the Ohlins MIGHT be better if your plans are for MX. I haven't jumped a Cannibal with the rear Fox unit yet, so I can't say from experience how it handles jumps.
Posted by: KNOWSALOT
Gabe,
I haven't ridden the 2003 standard Cannibal yet.
I have ridden the 2003 Cannibal LE models which still have the old A-arms and it feels much softer than the Ohlins on mine.
You may be right about the A-arms. I haven't checked yet to see if they are still using these bushings or not. Cannondale is trying to lower the production costs of the Cannibal and Speed models though.....so I would doubt they upgraded these to bearings.
Posted by: KNOWSALOT
The only thing that I would guess on is that maybe the bearing weren't greased correctly or at all when they converted to the Moto A-arms.
We had a Cannibal come in a couple weeks ago with the low idling problem. It was just due to throttle cable wear and not the actual throttle body. We adjusted it slightly and it was fine.
The throttle bodys last year were different between the bike and quads. The woods racers who rode the motorcycles used the "cam" from the throttle body off of the Cannibal because it offered a smoother powerband than the bike making it easier to ride.....This past spring, they started using the same throttle body on both the bikes and ATVs. The cam now hs two throttle cable connections. One for the bike and one for the quad. If I remember correctly, there isn't enough cable on the ATV to change it and make it more responsive, but you can change it on the bike models.[I may have that backwards...we haven't been experimenting with them since they changed them]
Posted by: NRATH
Back to 727's original question: The easiest way to tell them apart is that the Arvin's have black bodies, the Ohlin's are a light gold color.Both have yellow springs- the Ohlin's say "Ohlins" on them, the Arvin's have no writing that I've noticed.
I'd say to go with the Cannibal with an extra $1000 cash out. You can get the Tag T2 bars(Moto Bars) with clamps for $135 which are the next step up from what comes on the Speed. Then you have $865 for shocks. That's gonna get you rezzies and triple rates- also better than the Speed. All your missing then is the 1000 RPM on top end that you won't miss when riding. The power flattens out a little up there any way. Of course, if you really like the silver and yellow plastic of the Speed, there's only one way to get it- buy a Speed!
Those are my thoughts on it anyway.
Posted by: smitty911
When you get the slip on or full exhaust you will need to remap to take advantage of the extra flow. Yes you will notice a marked improvement. What's a few HP between friends.LOL
SMITTY
Posted by: smitty911
727,
I have the map the Team Trinity race with. It is a modified Speed map that Harry has worked on. When My quad gets back toghter I'll see how well it works on a 450cc BIG BORE.LOL
Smitty
Posted by: smitty911
Nope Harry loaded it and I would have to buy the software to get it. Haven't done that yet. I was laid off last month, and I'm working on my own business, can't lay yourself off.
I can see about getting it for you though.
Later
Smitty
Posted by: haulin
I would go for the speed. Only because of the shocks. To answer your other questions, yes, and yes. The only thing that would change the difference in speed would be if you changed the gearing. Good luck!
Posted by: cannondale27
I noticed the A-arms are different than 02s maybe wider even.Also the steering stem is different the bar clamp is straight with the stem it used to be angled up.The ball joints have wire clips on the boots to keep them sealed.Did anyone else notice the a-arms?Are they wider?
Posted by: cannondale27
On the dales I have seen the idle set screw tends to back off cause of vibration or something a little bit of blue loctite on the threads works well.Also after breakin they benefit from having the min & max throttle settings reset.This setting is very important for good starting and running.I havent had a chance to check the 2003 with the airbox off but you definetly had to check the2002 to make sure you were getting wide open throttle most werent.Knowsalot at my dealer they have a LE with the different a-arms.Are these arms slightly wider?
Posted by: 727Banshee
I just wanted to know if there is any way to tell if all of your shocks are ohlins shocks on a canninbal?
Posted by: 727Banshee
Is there anything different on the limited edition canninbals besides the plastics for 03
Posted by: 727Banshee
Thx everyone is there anything else I need to know before I buy a canninbal or a speed.Oh yeah one last thing would a speed and a canninbal have the same top speed if they both hand HMF's silencers with moto remaps? Sorry one last thing can you get a moto remap done at the dealer?
Posted by: 727Banshee
Does the le have ohlins all around or just in the rear and one last thing do you have to special order the le cause I read somewhere that there only makeing 200 of them.
Posted by: 727Banshee
If i get a moto remap will i get those extra 1000rpm's on the cannibal
Posted by: 727Banshee
Thanks you guys for all the help and one last thing cause I know yall are gettin tired of me but how does a cannibal react to simple mods like a remap and a exhaust is it like a whole new machine or is it not notice able.
Posted by: 727Banshee
Thx smitty but what remap do you have on your speed and one last thing does anyone know the msrp price on a 2003 le cannibal
Posted by: 727Banshee
THX KNOWSALOT one thing are fox-shocks good when compared to ohlins or those other ones they use on the cannibals.
Posted by: 727Banshee
Thx Sir KNOWSALOT (LOL)-L8r -Josh
Posted by: MxDale71
The rear resevoir will have the "Ohlins" logo on it and if you look on the front shock springs, you will see the logo on them as well (if they're Ohlins... I don't know if it will have the "Arvin" logo on the other shocks). If you are looking at a new one, I SERIOUSLY doubt they will have Ohlins on them. I got Ohlins on mine but I bought it in December.
Posted by: ezride
The only thing that I noticed different is it has a site glass on the transmission. It will also be the last of the cannibal olins shock, the 03's will be fox. In my opion for mx'ers it would be wise to buy an le the fox shock is not as good for mx, it's more for trail riders.
Posted by: ezride
By the way I only have four left. OTD is 6,750.00
Posted by: ezride
Yes, Ohlins on rear only on the LE, not sure how many they made I here from 200 to 500. I ordered 25 and only got 5 and can't get any more, so that tells me something just not sure what.
