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Posted by: jcv400ex
Dynojet numbers on the Cannibal have it up in the 37-39HP range. The only other Dyno-jet reading I've seen is one with the Big Gun exhuast and Moto mapping. It was up to 51.1hp.
SandGod and Buddah both have some real good seat time in the sand to give you some opinions.
Posted by: Sandgod
Last weekend it rained hard at the dunes here. My Dale was bogging a bit in the certain areas, cause the sand was so damn heavy. It has the same power as my modded Raptor used to except the Dale revs waaaay better and handles like a Honda. This weekend will be different as the sand will be dry. The Z's will be there too...
Posted by: buddah
I didn't get much riding time on my brothers Cannon, but the little time that I did, I was impressed. The handling is great in the sand and the power is strong. The quad turns great and seems to jump well with no weird quirks. Wasn't airing it out to big on my bro's new ride. I would definitely consider purchasing one. He got an awesome deal on his as well. Very nice machine!!!
My new Z-400 compares well to the Cannondale. The power is definitely stronger on the Cannon in the low to midrange. (It feels stronger everywhere than my piped, geared, jetted, filtered raptor did, especially on the top end). The Suzuki is a little weak off the bottom but the mid range is good, and it rev's out nicely. Doesn't have the top end as the Cannon, but we're talking about a stock Z without fuel injection. The Z jumps really well and handles similar to a 400ex. The stock suspension is average at best. The Z performs great for only displacing 400cc.
We'll get more seat time this weekend at the dunes, and then head to the mx track and see how they compare. Keep you posted.
Posted by: 1986atc250r
chad400ex - I find your comments on the steering interesting...
I own both a heavily modified 400EX as well as a new Cannibal. I find that the CD's steering is MUCH lighter than my 400EX's steering - in fact, my wife loves the CD because of it's light steering.
Neither quad feels twitchy, except the 400EX at higher speeds. The CD does get some feedback thru the bars due to the stock front wheel offset. I installed my 400EX front wheel/tire combo and it was a large improvement - far less feedback on the trail.
As far as front end measurements go, the CD has better stats everywhere I've measured the two. Things like lower control arm pivot to lower control arm pivot, front wheel mounting surface to ball joint center, etc... All in all, the CD is an impressive machine - can't wait to put a decent exhaust on it and install either the Moto or Blaze mapping....
I can't imagine DW rating the CD low in the sand - I had a blast on mine last time I was out there - it climbed well, jumped well, went thru the whoops predictably (no rear swapping) and put on a really good showing at the sand drags for a bone stock quad, outrunning all other stock quads it was against as well as many of even the piped Raptors, DS650s, and Banshees. Due to it's 2 stroke like fast, high revving HP, I'd tend to think it's the best dune 4 stroke available.
Posted by: 1986atc250r
Take it easy Chad... All I said is I found your comments interesting because my experience had been different. I followed that up with some info from some comparison of my two quads I've done. I really enjoy both - in fact, my 400EX is still my race quad, the CD is just my play quad.
My comments about the sand were about what a magazine had said, not directed at you and I was far from "mad" when I typed that up, I've been on these forums WAY too long to get upset by someone's ride impressions.
Before offering "Chill" advice, you may want to take it yourself. No need to be so defensive...
Posted by: 2fun
How do those things do in the sand?
I have yet to try one out, but I would really like to!
What is a (realistic) figure for rear wheel H.P. on one of these?
I am partial to 2-strokes for the sand, but am curious about the new 4-strokes none the less!
Posted by: 2fun
<< Hey 2fun
I am eventually, going to get down there to visit you, and get the southern tour.(soon) You can ride mine then. When CHad rode mine, it was with my itp holeshots.(with too much air) THe front suspension set stiff.
I now have softened up the front suspension a bit and gotten Kenda geckos/ and dune trackers on the front. Should be a lot more stable in the steering now.
He felt like the other machine he rode was twitching in front end cause Cannonmans is HOT> HOT> HOT>. and he couldn't keep the front end on the ground. heheee. >>
Cool! I can hardly wait!
Posted by: 2fun
Thanks for al the replies, and info guys!
I can't wait to try one of these things out at the Oregon dunes!
Posted by: FasterThenYou
correction...it was 4 wheel atv action not dirt wheels...sorry bout that
Dirt Wheels did give it a very low rateing too in the sand only because it had lots of problems, Then they did a later review with all the recalls updated
Posted by: briansgi
I drag race alot at Little Sahara in Oklahoma, the C'dales do extremely well in the sand. HP is going to range from around 33 on the Cannibal's and Speed to around 39 for the Moto and Blaze. The neat thing is you can download the Moto or Blaze map into the Cannibal's computer and slip on an aftermarket exhaust such as the HMF, and now you've got the same HP. Cannondale also has great customer service as well.
Posted by: Cannitor
in dirt wheels hi-per shootout the cannibal rated low in dunes and desert...
whats up with that?
hi-revving...great handling...great suspension...i dont get it?how could it rate so low?
Posted by: Cannitor
correction...it was 4 wheel atv action not dirt wheels...sorry bout that
Posted by: chad400ex
2fun, I've ridden two of the guys' cannibals from the Oregon Rider's group in the sand. The cannibal does pretty well in the sand. It's definitely fast. The front end feels really twitchy compared to my 400ex. It was really hard to steer, but that's probably due to the front tires, and the stock handlebar bend. One of the guys had his computer remapped to I think the "blaze" mapping. It was ALOT faster than the stock cannibal mapping. I rode it up the first bowl at Sand Lake doing a wheelie in 3rd and 4th gear. So, that was pretty impressive. It sounds like you're riding on a 2-stroke, and it is pretty loud (the motor, not exhaust), but all in all...it's a really great machine.
Posted by: chad400ex
The comment I made about the steering was not meant to be an attack on the cannondales. It's just what both of the bikes felt like to me. I also ride with dune trackers on the front of my 400ex, so dirt tires in the front are naturally going to feel cruddy in the sand. But the front suspension does feel a bit harsh for sport/recreational riding (maybe it can be softened up a bit), and those holeshot tires aren't that good in the dunes. If your bike feels good to you then that's all that matters. Ride it and have fun!!! I just don't like how they handle in the sand, and that's my honest opinion. And nowhere in this message am I saying that my opinion is right, it's just right for me...so relax 1986atc250R, I wasn't making a personal attack on one of your quads. Too many people in here are too quick to get mad if someone says something that isn't 100% positive about their quad. I did say that I thought they performed very well and that the power was very impressive. They're just not the quad for me.
Posted by: chad400ex
Dirthawg: are you talking about the dune trackers?? The ridge down the middle should be angled outwards to help keep your front end from sliding out when you're turning. But, if you're just into sand drags, some guys keep them pointed towards the middle. Then the tires give you good floatation, but offer no bite, so the front end will slide around a bit. I have mine angled outwards, and my quad corners like it's on rails.
Posted by: Dex2380
Well rode my speed for the first time in the sand on saturday and man was it fun! I have rode ex's, R's, and banshees in the sand and I had just as much fun on my dale. You could pull any hill in one gear, it just revs so good. Its a blast to ride!
-josh
Posted by: DirtHawg
Hey 2fun
I am eventually, going to get down there to visit you, and get the southern tour.(soon) You can ride mine then. When CHad rode mine, it was with my itp holeshots.(with too much air) THe front suspension set stiff.
I now have softened up the front suspension a bit and gotten Kenda geckos/ and dune trackers on the front. Should be a lot more stable in the steering now.
He felt like the other machine he rode was twitching in front end cause Cannonmans is HOT> HOT> HOT>. and he couldn't keep the front end on the ground. heheee.
Posted by: DirtHawg
Hey Chad
I really appreciated your feedback to me on my CD. That's why I had you ride it man, your a far more experienced rider than I am and this is my first machine. I want to know if there are things I can do to improve on my ride. I did get the sand tires you suggested,and the helped a lot. BUt you know, I had to learn something else and Bill pointed it out to me after our last SandLake get together. My front tires were shipped to me from Tires Unlimited, mounted backwards. You know I thought the flat edge of that rib down center should have been to the outside of the tire, but figured they knew what they were doing. I talked to Bill, then got email back from Kenda tires, and of coarse, duh, they were backwards. Makes a difference!!
OUch Les Schwab hit me $20.00 to remount them. Makes up for all the freee flats they have fixed for me I guess.
