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Posted by: cctman
Oh Geeezzz! You guys actually believe half of what you spout about the 250R. They are not going away. If anything with the introduction of the powervalve and the large amount of chassis mods being offered for the Honda 250R it will never go away. I find it vary hard to believe that a Cannondale or any other ATV will ever beat the all around and complete race package the 250R has to offer. You guys have yet to offer a reasonable answer to the question many including myself have asked many times before... "If the 250R is such a dinosaur then why do they still dominate almost every race circuit known to man?"
I will always be a two stroke man!...
If I were to make an analogy the best I could come up with is a 2 stroke vs 4 stroke is kind of like a GP500 bike vs a Harley. or a Formula 1 car vs a Mustang.
You guys read the new article on the powervalve banshee 400cc? IT smoked everything!!
Posted by: mtecate4g
I was realy skeptical about cannondale myself til you see how they always make sure you are happy with your bike and replace anything free if it breaks. I have been wanting to open a dealer ship for years and now that i see how cannondale is iam. I have the paper work filled out with them and hopefully by november ill be up and running.
Posted by: mtecate4g
i am from medford WI but the deler ship is in colby WI.
Posted by: mtecate4g
I havent received any prices on the blaze or moto 440 yet but will be selling the speed(fx400) for between 7000-7200 and the cannibal from 6000-6200. Will know exactly when the price book comes. I have never heard of that town your talking about so no sure how close it is to me. Get out a map and see if yah can find it. its in central WI.
Posted by: mtecate4g
They must be severely behind or somthing cause i have been waiting 2 months and still havent received anything on my dealership. I have left messages and emails with the sales rep. and still no avail so they must be busy or somthing as to not having there site updated yet. All i got to say is if they dont hurry up an get me my dealer ship info soon im going to give up and go with one of the big 4.
Posted by: ex_master
Why doesn't cannondale build a smaller quad around 250-350cc for a cheaper price.
Posted by: lonestarbanshee
hey man, 2strokes are out of the question. Emissions are killing them. Be happy that you can get a TRICKED OUT 4 stroke!
Posted by: AWSOME88250R
You have to keep in mind that for the last 15 years nobody has offered a four-stroke powerplant in a quad that was built specifically for competition. Until 99' the biggest four-stroke sport quad only had 350cc engine, and a low tech one at that. The 400EX powerplant is from a mild motorcycle, the Raptor and DS650 motors are both based on dual sport motorcycle engines. I've owned many of these new machines and the Cannondale has by far the most race ready engine since the last of the two-stokes. The only difference being the four stroke is more reliable, powerful, easier to ride, and by far easier to maintain. The technology also exists to make four-strokes capable of revving up to 20,000 rpms. Like it or not four-strokes are definately the future of performance ATV's.
Posted by: dirtfiend27
Hey Scott, When are you going to be releasing the Moto440 and how much will it cost?
Posted by: dirtfiend27
Scott,
I just got off the C-dale web-site and am wondering about your horsepower figures. Is your rating at the rear wheels or at the engine. The reason I ask is because on the web-site the Blaze is rated at 35 HP
(I am mainly interested in the Moto440) while these YZ426,DRZ400 and soon CFR450 powered quads are well into the 50+ HP range, how is your quad going to hang with these guys in the GNC races or are someone's HP figures off?
Thanks for your time.
Posted by: PaRoostR
If you look on the left side under his user name/nickname is were they live. He has that he is from medford, Wisconsin
Posted by: GaryManilow
The reason some pros are switching to 4strokes is beacuse they are like lots of you here. "Its the way thinga are going." Give me a break! they way things are going is the way you determine they go. No one is going to implement any kind of standard that will eliminate 2strokes. The 2stroke design is the most effecient design available. Lighter, easy to wrok on, produce much more HP per CC and fire on every stroke. I don't give a damn about some bureaucratical fallacy shouted to gain a sympathetic image. We as ATVers/off roaders contribute a literal drop in the ocean to the worlds overall pollution, its all a lie to gain votes and you morons are swollowing it whole spouting the greatness of having a "clean burning engine with usuable power." The 2stroke is NOT a dinosaur. Light, nimble screamer. Slower, heavier, grunts, which sounds like a dinosaur?
Posted by: MXZX
Boy I sure hope Mr. Montgomery looks into some of the new technology before he goes off spewing how 2 strokes are dinosaurs. 2-cycle motors never had a reason to improve until now with the 2006 EPA standards coming into effect. There are some maunufacturers out there trying to improve 2 cycle technology for the earth and for the consumer. There are existing prototype 2 cycle engines that out half the emissions a common 4 cycle engine produces today. Something to think about before you go puting down an engine design and promoting your own company. Yeah Im sure your atvs are fast, they look nice. What's the clunking engine noise people had been hearing anyway? Ohh yeah how are the motorcyle sales going?
Posted by: hylton400ex
What class exactly would a smaller engined quad be competing in?
Posted by: ltracerx
I totally agree with GaryManilow on this one. But I am considering a new cannondale since I am old enought a get a real job now. Moto24, where did you get your FX?
Posted by: Moto24
cctman, your analogy my have been true in the past but since you used it I would have to point out that GP's and F1 are top of the food chain when it comes to technology as I sure you know.
But GP 2-stroke technology has hit the wall, and they're dead, I know people don't want to except that, and I don't mean dead as in they still don't have life on the level of atv's but atv's are bottom when it comes to techno-trickle down effect. GP's are going to 4-stroke F1 type engines that can rev out of this world and produce mega hp. In the past 10 years 4-stroke Superbikes have crept closer and closer to GP bikes and thats a bike that gives away 100lbs. and just "old" 4-stroke technology not F1 type. This is not a bash against 2-strokes it's just the case of what was and what will be.
Moto24
'01 FX400
'98 Kaw ZX-9R(NEW!! 79mm kit(998cc),Muzzy full titanium header and oval silencer, slotted cam sprockets and Factory jet kit)
'90 Kaw ZX-7(Superbike racer)
'84 Honda VF750R
'80 Kaw KZ650
Posted by: CdaleRacer
In the Oct.01 ATV SPORT mag. MR. Scott Montgomery was interviewed. He said that they were considering a new cc. quad. He said that they didnt know yet if they would go up or down in cc's.,but would probably go down smaller than 440. I think this would be good. Heck, I could'nt imagine a 500cc or bigger C-Dale! My FX400 is plenty for what I do. If the manufactures keep going up in cc's.,I think most MX tracks will have to be totaly redone in a few years. There is a suchthing as too much for a track. Thats why you dont see 500cc stroked banshees racing MX. They could build something to race with the 250x and 300ex quads.
Posted by: CdaleRacer
Well DirtWheels says 74mph. Faster than the Raptor and DS650. I say it just flat out hauls! Not saying they are wrong because I think they are right,but I bet when they done the test their rider weighed more than I do, 135lbs. So I think with me on mine the top speed may be a few more mph.Also it gets to 4th gear real quick,takes a little longer to stretch 5th out,but I never use 5th on the track.
Posted by: CdaleRacer
If the 2-strokes aren't slowly going away,then why is it that many PRO GNC racers are switching to 4-strokes.The tech. of 4-stoke engines can now compete and alot of times beat the 2-strokes. I know it has more to do with the rider,but why are alot switching. In other words why mess with something when its working. From what I understand Shane Hitt will be racing a 4-stroke next year. Also I seen a tricked out 4-stroke that Joe Byrd has had built, but dont know which class he will run it in. I stongly think that in a couple of years most of the pros will be riding 4-strokes. The question isnt when and who will build a 2-stroke,the question is when and who will build a 4-stroke that will compete with the Moto 440!
Posted by: mudmunster
I colby near Mountian?
I'm going up their this summer and I might be getting a new Quad I was thinking about the Raptor but I do like the Cannondale.
Mabye if its kinda close me and my dad could buy from you.
How much does the Blaze run for?
Thanks
Posted by: mudmunster
I meant to say is medford near mountain wis,I don't know were I got colby from,but I will look at a map see if medford is close,if it is I will talk to my dad about it and he already likes them so it just a matter if he wants to buy it up their or not(I would like it up their Because my grandma has like 100+acres on a mountain, and I'm usualy bored up their for 3-4 weeks)
Also about how much do you think the Blaze would run for?
Are their some good riding areas near north eastern,central?
We were considering the Raptor so it will be a 2002 Raptor or the Blaze.
Thanks
Posted by: mudmunster
I just found out from Mr. Scott montgomery that The Blaze will retail for $10,450, the Moto 440 is $12,450.
Thanks Scott
Posted by: ScottMontgomery
It might help you to decide about Cannondale to visit the cannondale.com website > motorcycle >
photo gallery.
This week has been an emotional roller coaster. The tremendous loss to our country certainly
ruined the week.
But the resolve of our staff and the tremendous response from the many, many dealers who visited
our company, test road our ATV's certainly reminds us that with hard work, smart staff, we can
do and overcome anything.
Sincerely,
Scott Montgomery
Director
Cannondale
Posted by: ScottMontgomery
We will get specs up next week sometime. Sorry for the delay.
We will never build a 2-stroke, they are a dinosaur.
Scott Montgomery
Director
Cannondale
Posted by: MasterOfDisaster
how fast does the c-dale go??
Posted by: cannondaleMOTO440
I've got an 86 R thats an AWESOME bike! but the point is that its 15 years old!!! It's not very reliable but i take extremly good car of it! It's a MX quad (+2 a-arms, axle, shocks, MUCH more!). I have been searching for a succesor to the R, but nothing even came close! UNTIL, isaw the new Cannondale moto 440! its a 4-stroke with fuel injection! AWESOME! plus already set up for MX/TT and Nac's is running Cannondale's over R's! They must be AWESOME! so C-dale guys, is C-dale a reliable & fast bike? whould you reccomend a Cannondale to a guy who races 250r's? but the biggest problem is its price! im only 14 and my R just keeps costing me money, so if i just race my R for another year the buy the Moto 440 it would be awesome. Now all i have to do is wait for DW to test out the Moto 440!
Posted by: cannondaleMOTO440
where are you located?
Posted by: cannondaleMOTO440
why dont you have any info on the moto 440! and when are you gona build a 2-stroke! someone needs to make one!!
Posted by: cannondaleMOTO440
THEN WHY HAVE DINOSAURS DOMINATED PRO RACING FOR 15 YEARS! THE 250R WAS THE BEST EVER MADE, NOT MANY PEOPLE WILL SAY THEY ARENT! HANDLING, POWER TO WEIGHT! THE CANNONDALE HAS GOOD POWER TO WEIGHT RATIO BUT NOTHING LIKE AN R, OR LT
Posted by: cannondaleMOTO440
but there are thousands of racers/riders that are waiting for a 2-stroke light weight quad. It seems like im gona have to get a 400ex. My 250 is the fastest, and funnest quad i/ve ever ridden but its a 15 y/o 2-stroke and i dont have thousands of dollars to buy an aftermarket frame and all kinda of other stuff!
Posted by: cannondaleMOTO440
well scott its been 10 days since you said it'll be be next week for the moto 440 specs (i really want a msrp)? whats goin on?
Posted by: cannondaleMOTO440
same here, i might have to but a 400ex or new suzuki!
Posted by: cannondaleMOTO440
i'm a hardcore MX'er! If i bought the fx400 i would have to put at least $1000-$2000 shocks, axle, a-arms! and those arent even for sale from anyone! so i plan on keeping my R for 6 months then seeing whats on the market (cr4500f, kxf2500, zuki 4-stroke?). So i'll just and try to sell my R for now (or trade for 400ex)!
Posted by: cannondaleMOTO440
mxzx,
you said everything i was thinkin! I like 4-strokes, but I LOVE 2-stroke! If someone could build a 2-stroke like an R, 250cc, light weight, quick, awesome handling i would DEFINATLY buy on!!!!!!! No doubt about it!!! My money pretty much goes to the fist company to make somethin like my R! So scott PLEASE think about a 250cc 2-stroke! and NO their NOT dinousars! I'd like to see an R vs and Speed kinda race (R costed $4000 less!)
Posted by: cannondaleMOTO440
EXACTLY! 4-strokes are slowly takin over racing! but those are custom built bikes and the R isn't! And some cost $20,000 to build! I would NEVER build a quad like that unless I was pro. My point is, WHEN is someone gonna make a 250 2-stroke, a 450 liquid 4-stroke thats lightweight, or a MX ready quad for under $8000!!! I would buy anyone of those quads! I guess time will tell, and MY R will live on!
Posted by: jamison
HEy, I am 14 years old too. I have a cannondale fx400, and its so fast. If money is your problem, i wouldnt recomend the moto 440, there going for 11,000-13,000, and you cant finance it because its made to race. So go with the fx's or cannable's there so fast, Ive ridden a 16,000 250r and my fx kicks its ass
jaime
Posted by: CornDog
Jamison you are 14, how the hell do you have an $8000 quad? I have been saving for a long time and will probably get a Cannible or used FX400 around Christmas. I just can't believe that you would have a quad most adults can't afford.
Posted by: CornDog
Why not just stick with the 250R? It is the best MX quad there is and ever has been, unless you want to spend $20,000 plus on a 4 stroke.
