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Posted by: AZDUNERAT
you will want to add a clutch kit that will adjust for the tire size. If you are going to that size tire you may have issues with rubbing the fenders and might want to look into lifting or long travel kits. Off set rims or spacers will be a must for that tall of a tire. The damn things are tippy enough as is.
Posted by: DesertViper
27" tires will fit with no spacers and no rubbing anywhere on a stock Rhino with its 7" of suspension travel. If the $7K in modifications includes a long travel suspension though, then the 27" tires are going to rub. I have a Lonestar +6.5 XTR suspension with Elka Elites on my Rhino, and 25" Bighorns rub the tops of the rear fender openings 1" up on the plastic when the suspension is fully stuffed. So if I were the type to let blackened scuffed up plastic bother me I would have to trim at least an inch of plastic all the way around the top of the rear fenders to prevent tire rub, even with 25" tires. The Lonestar suspension has 15" of suspension travel, so if you don't want the Rhino sitting a mile in the air, that extra travel has to come from somewhere, and a good portion of it is increased compression suspension travel.
There are lots of different clutch kits for the Rhino that make it easier to turn big tires. I have a Trinity Racing sheave and clutch weights in mine, and it helped alot even with just 25" tires. The new sheave and weights let the engine rev more, quicker, and then it launches harder and accelerates faster, with more top end speed as well.
DV
Posted by: DesertViper
Oh, and one other thing ...
If you are getting a long travel suspension, or even a mid-travel suspension for the new Rhino, then get Gorilla axles with it. Most suspensions will offer a choice of either HD Gorilla axles and CV joints, or extended axles that re-use the stock CV joints. When you first look at it you are going to think you'll save a lot of money by just getting the extended (Lonestar for example) axles, and re-using the stock CV joints. After all, the Lonestar extended axles have a lifetime warranty, and if you ever break one they will be replaced for free. The problem is, the stock CV joints wont hold up to the abuse a long travel suspension is going to dish out. I've had my long travel Rhino up and running with the long travel suspension since the end of May, and in four months I've broken three OEM CV joints. I broke the left rear outer CV joint twice, and each time it took out the Lonestar axle (splines) with it. Lonestar will NOT replace an axle under warranty if the CV breaking is what tears up the axle. So the first time I replaced the Lonestar axle and the OEM CV joint. The second time I broke that same OEM CV joint I replaced both rear axles and all four rear CV joints with the HD Gorilla axles and CVs. No more problems with the rear end. But this weekend I had a front Lonestar axle come out of the CV and tear up the splines on that axle. So now I'll be putting the HD Gorilla axles and CVs on the front end.
So save yourself some money in the long run. There is nothing wrong with the Lonestar axles, but the stock CV joints that are used with them are way too flimsy for the speed (and abuse) that long travel Rhinos are capable of. And any aftermarket suspension that uses extended axles with the stock CV joints is going to have the same limitations -- the stock CV joints. Get the Gorilla axles with whatever long travel suspension you use.
Now if that $7000 in accessories does not include a suspension system, then you are going to have a whole lot of billet aluminum on that Rhino, LOL.
DV
Posted by: DesertViper
Ok, I was just guessing on the long travel suspension, because thats what they cost with a set of Elka shocks added in.
Break-in process should be the same.
It takes about an hour to put in a clutch kit, if you just change the sheave and weights. If you change the springs on the wet clutch you would probably have to add another hour. The hardest part of changing clutch components is removing the CVT cover, but there is a trick to it. I've read where some people have even unbolted their motor mounts, or used a big pry bar to tweak the motor in the rubber mounts to get the cover off, but you don't need to do any of that. When you get the cover bolts out, just pull the cover out about an inch, and then rotate the whole cover ninty degrees and it will slide right out underneath the seat frame.
Posted by: DesertViper
The Trinity sheave and clutch weights cost about $230 if I remember right.
Clutch mods will affect top speed. An aftermarket sheave allows the transmission to shiftout more, and at a lower RPM, so you will have a higher top speed before hitting the rev limiter. Lighter clutch weights let the engine RPM build faster, and if used without an aftermarket sheave they can decrease top speed, but help you turn big tires easier. Changing the secondary spring to a stiffer spring also slows down shiftout rate, and lets engine RPM build faster like the lighter weights do, and a stiffer secondary spring can also decrease top speed. It just depends on what is limiting top speed, and whether it is the clutching or the stock CDI.
Posted by: DesertViper
Yes, some clutch mods will make it easier to turn big tires, and increase top speed. It depends on what clutch kit you go with though.
I know with the Trinity clutch set up they use an entirely different sheave, with a different ramp angle for the roller weights, and it is also made to shift out farther than the stock sheave. When the Trinity sheave is combined with the lighter weights that they sell with it, the Rhino revs faster, and revs more initially, but then shifts out harder once the revs are up, and shifts out more overall. The main focus of the Trinity sheave is improved acceleration, for closed course racing, but the net effect is that it does make it easier to get the tires moving, and also adds about 4 mph to top speed.
Hunter Works also makes a sheave and various clutch tuning parts for the Rhino. And so do a few other places. Some focus on increasing top speed only, and actually hurt low end and make it more difficult to get the tires moving. Some focus on low end only, and help more with getting oversized tires moving, but hurt top end speed.
I would first decide what size tires you want, and then take a look at what clutch mods will improve performance where you need it the most.
Posted by: DesertViper
I change my mind which I like best about once a month. Right now I'd say definitely get the Grizzly. Our Rhino breaks down too much, and neither of our Grizzlys has ever broken. Of course, I fly the Rhino a lot farther than the Grizzlys. I don't dare jump as far on an open ATV as I do in the Rhino. A full race cage, welded on metal doors, and five point harnesses do a lot to inspire confidence. 15" of suspension travel doesn't hurt either.
DV
Posted by: DesertViper
The camo Grizzly is my wife's, and it has 27x9R14 XTRs in front and 27x11R14 XTRs in back. My Grizzly is the silver one, and it has 25x10R12 Terracross tires at all four corners. The XTRs are probably a better tire, but since we already had a set I wanted to try the Terracross tires this time, and focus more on handling and suspension performance, rather than ground clearance.
Posted by: DesertViper
I suspect the SS wheels are a pound or two heavier than stock, not sure exactly how much though. The Grizzly 700 has no problem turning 27" tires. But don't let someone tell you the 27" tires don't make a difference though. There is a hillclimb near where I live that is three miles long, and climbs 4000 ft in elevation. I do this hillclimb every couple of days, because it is the closest way up on the mountain to where the fun ATV trails are at. I can run at wide open throttle for most of the climb, and at some points it is steep enough that it slows down the Grizzly a fair amount, even at wide open throttle. I've done the trail enough times that I know it well, and know just what straightaway is the steepest, and slows the Grizzly down the most. Yesterday I did the climb in the morning on our camo Grizzly with 27" tires. Max speed at the end of the steepest climb was 14 mph, and that was at wide open throttle in two wheel drive high range. I did the same climb later on the same day on my silver Grizzly with 25" tires. Max speed in two wheel drive high range at the end of the steepest climb with the 25" tires was 18 mph. And with the 25" tires I was not at absolutely wide open throttle either, although the throttle was within a quarter of an inch of being wide open. I think the Grizzly with 25" tires could have easily finished that climb at 19 or 20 mph. So thats a 25% decrease in speed on the hillclimb due to 27" tires. The speedometer is going to be off by less that 10% due to tire size, so thats still at least a 15% decrease.
Posted by: DesertViper
Yes, the camo Grizzly has boiled gas in hot weather. The temps have cooled down since we bought the SE Grizzly, so it hasn't had the problem, and neither has the camo one since it cooled down.
I wouldn't put an aftermarket exhaust on my Grizzly if they were free. They are all way too loud and make minimal improvement in performance. I have had numerous different brands of aftermarket exhaust on other ATVs that I have raced, including HMF, FMF, Yoshimura, Muzzy, and Pro Circuit. And we have a Yoshimura exhaust on our Rhino, which we use for racing. I will put up with the extra noise for racing, but I use the Grizzly for trail riding, and aftermarket exhaust get very annoying on all day trail rides.
A full system makes very slilghtly more of an improvement than a slip on exhaust does (about 1 extra HP).
Posted by: HONDA CRUSHER 93
I plan on purchasing a rhino next year and I have a few questions. Does a Rhino have trouble taking off from a dead stop with 27inch tires? Is there anything that I can do to fix that? Where can I find out what states that you can license them for road use? I plan to put over 7k worth of accessories into it.
Thanks in advance
Posted by: HONDA CRUSHER 93
I wasnt wanting to put them on it when i get it, but i've heard a lot of people say that they had trouble doing it.
Posted by: HONDA CRUSHER 93
I dont plan to buy a long travel kit, but i might put a 2inch lift kit on it. some of the things that i'm getting are, full skids, tires and wheels(teracross or the mudlightxtrs or whatever they're called along with ss108 wheels), a j-strong top with the sterio, bumpers, and a lot more.
thanks for the info DV
Posted by: HONDA CRUSHER 93
also i posted the other thread"BREAKING GRIZZLY IN" would the same process be used to break a rhino in?
Posted by: HONDA CRUSHER 93
got to thinking and talking to a friend and i might put a clutch kit in it, wheel spacers and 27" tires. how hard is it to put a clutch kit in and about how much does one cost? will it affect my top speed.
Posted by: HONDA CRUSHER 93
so if i put the clutch kit in with the new sleeve weights and springs it will help me turn bigger tires and raise the top speed? i'm trying to find out if i can get it street legal here, and if i can, put a black rhino cdi box on it and smaller tires just for the road. would it hurt the clutch kit? (i don't know very much about motors on the inside but i know just about the everything on the outside of a quad.)
Posted by: HONDA CRUSHER 93
ok, i know that you've read my other threads about getting a grizzly because you posted in them, and i'm not sure which one i want. three hours ago i wanted the rhino ad now i want the grizzly. i'm going to get the money for a stock rhino 700, and when i go to the dealership it will probly be which ever one that i want that day. IT'S DRIVING ME CRAZY, I CAN'T MAKE UP MY MIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: HONDA CRUSHER 93
i just looked at your pictures again, your grizzly looks great. what size tires are you running on it?
Posted by: HONDA CRUSHER 93
Are you 3tv on Grizzly Central? I saw someone post on their about thier Grizzly and Jeep against each other on a snowy hilclimb, and the picture is the same one from your album.
Posted by: HONDA CRUSHER 93
Here is the way it goes for me. I like the looks of the Rhino and Grizzly the same, I like the Grizzly's balance better, I like the Rhinos seating better along with the cargo box, and I like the Grizzly's power steering and ability to catwalk easily.
The list goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on!!!!! Like I said earlier its driving me crazy trying to choose, and will probly be whatever is in stock at the local dealer when I get the money or whichever one that I like that day.
Posted by: HONDA CRUSHER 93
also, do those ss rims on your grizzly weigh much more than stock, and does the grizzly have trouble turning 27" tires?
Posted by: HONDA CRUSHER 93
ok thanks
Posted by: HONDA CRUSHER 93
does your grizzly boil gas? i've heard that it has something to do with the valve. i don't know if you know, but if i put an aftermarket exhaust on a grizzly it will give me more power, but will it give me even more if i put a complete one on it?
thanks
Posted by: HONDA CRUSHER 93
alright, thanks i didn't know how much power that they added. i knew that on the early 07s there was a combinations of buttons that you could pushon on the controll panel that would give you 16% more power, but i heard that yamaha has fixed it so you can't. rightnow, i'm planning on the grizz but i will change my nind back and fourth.
Posted by: HONDA CRUSHER 93
i'll probly go with the grizzly, and i might be able to get it by the end of this year.img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">there are some people riding illegally on our farm and every time we come around the leave on their recons. they are around 12-year-old kids, but they are riding wheelies jumping, and doing donuts. my warrior is torn apart and they can outrun my honda. also i'm tired of getting smoked by my cousins rancher. with the 2grand that i'll save i can fix up an old truck to use such as my dads old 86 f-150.
