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Originally posted by: dosthoff
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Originally posted by: hard2find
When you engage in any activity related to motorcycles, ATVs, UTVs, or even jeeping, you are assuming a risk. Injuries are commonly associated with all different kinds of activities ranging from football to our topic at hand here--offroading. If you aren't prepared to accept the consequences from the risk associated with certain activities, then do us all a favor and leave your @ss at home on the couch.
Well Put there !! I still cant believe the idiots that still complain about their OWN ACTIONS. Its sad that we have to live in a world with these kinds of losers that cant get a life without ruining it for others.
Posted by: RaptorOwner
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Originally posted by: Alexandria
Obviously you don't learn, to bad for you. It's not about taking responsibility for my own actions, I always have and always will. This is about Yamaha taking responsibility for what they have done. I have an inside on the investigation and believe me, if you learn half of the stuff I have...you wouldn't be saying what your saying.
They know they were wrong...why do you think they are settling every case. It's not just to keep it out of the media, it's because the further we dig, the more we find. You would be very surprised on the certain things they "left out" or "took off" just to save themselves a few bucks. Guess Karma decided to come back to them.
I'm obviously not going to get through that thick skull of yours. I just hope you put some doors on yours so it doesn't happen to you too. It's only a matter of time.
Ha !! doors arent going to save your leg or foot!! read my post on the page before. I actually rolled my rhino for the first time. Yes I have the legminders and even if I did have the doors, my wife out of instinct put her leg out and it was at the end of the roll and her foot was at the middle of the windshield where it was crushed and pinned. So dont tell me the half doors will help. Maybe you should tell all the Raptor owners out there to put half doors on their tippy quads and see how silly you will look!! Or tell the guy who parachutes to add 5 more saftey shoots just in case the first 4 dont open!!! Come on bro, get a grip on this.
Posted by: RaptorOwner
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Originally posted by: pwillie
A Rhino is like a gun(fire arm) it can set in one spot all day and never hurt anyone.Its the fool that uses it,that hurts one self.............
Posted by: RaptorOwner
Originally posted by: LeroysRhino
I finally rolled mine this weekend, everybody did what they were supposed to do, hold on and ride it out. it held up great, nobody got hurt but the pass seatbelt doesnt work now. I think i will try and persued yamaha to buy me another seatbelt in exchange for me not suing them lol. by the way, there wasnt a scratch on it after we flipped it back over, i was impressed. (I'm kidding about sueing them, I was doing something stupid and I take full responsibility for the rollover)
Same here, rolled mine as well at Dumont on the razor backs, flipped over, i have the half doors but my wife still put her leg out at the windshield level and landed on her foot. hanging there helplessly I couldnt get the seat belt off fast enough. Finally I managed to lift my self up and undo the belt, got down in side the cab and dug my wifes foot out, she screamed and I thought it was broke but luckily it was sand. A few fellow riders stopped by and rolled the rhino back over and we took off back to camp. I told her I would like to go to the nearest hospital and chekc it out but she didnt want to leave camp and toughed it out. We finally got home, made an appt and low and behold it was not broke but was in pain for a few months. Now this was my fault and I take full responsibility. YES they do roll over even at 5 miles an our and turning over a razor back ( which I do all the time on my quad) but dont do it on a rhino.... hehehehee
Goes to show, you get doors, you will still manage to get your foot out if you want to. The netting seems like a great idea and would love to try it out. If in fact it covers both complete sides that is so your arms or legs dont get crushed.
Posted by: RacinJason
I vote that people start taking responsibility for themselves and actions
Posted by: RacinJason
I could see a nerf style net there...but what about the people that trip and hurt themselves on the nets...what can we do for them?
I don't think we can ever make the world safe for everyone(I'm sure this post will be a contributing factor to my Carpell Tunnnel Syndrome)...alll things come with assumed risks(breaking your leg, crushing a brand new 8000 dollar machine, hurting or killing yourself...or worse someone else)and then there is just crap luck which is a contributing factor for all of us some timeBR>
What we as a population(not anyone inparticular)have forgotten how to do well is asses risk and realize what consequences of these risks are(not the broken leg but the 4-6 weeks off of work, not the fact that you rolled, but the fact that this months repair bill will far exceed the payment on the machine, hurting someone else and having to deal with it
I don't mean to attack your position...I follow what you are saying...These machines could be safer with race style harnesses, better suspension, better roll bars...etc but you crazies would still mess them up...you would still find and exceed the safe limits...its human nature to push...
same as rounding first and heading strait for third
Posted by: LTZ
Rhino and Ranger products.
Posted by: LTZ
Sorry to hear of his accident. How old is your stepson and his cousin?
Posted by: LTZ
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Originally posted by: xFreebirdx
Short people got no reason....Short people got no reason....Short people got no reason to live.
hey now!
I guess we'll never know the age of the stepson and the cousin huh?
Posted by: raptorchick
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Originally posted by: OneFlyCowboy
But I can tell you these situations are a mere product of society.. and we need to make changes elsewhere.. Its not with ATV manufacturers.. These changes need to be made in ourselves. Do we live,, or do we hide and only wish we lived? When we live, we take risks. thats life.
Very well said! BR>
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Originally posted by: motox26
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Originally posted by: Alexandria Do you really actually think that it is IMPOSSIBLE for the rhino to have a defect??...
I seriously doubt a defect is going to cause Rhino's to flop over on their lid just at the snap of a finger. I have some seat time in them, and while they are tippy when you corner them fast, the driver is responsible for the machine and should know it's limits.
I laid my dirtbike over last weekend, does that mean it has a defect and I should report it to Honda?
It's not Hondas fault you took the training wheels off. BR>
Well, maybe they should have been welded on. You may have a case.
Posted by: Scootergptx
Sorry, but just got this mental image of a Rhino, with curb feelers.
Posted by: Scootergptx
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Originally posted by: LeroysRhino
I bought a set of 1/4 doors today, shiney diamond plate $125 plus shipping for the pair. I'm telling you, someone could get rich off this scare topic lol
Well now ya gotta find another company to sue Leroy.
Posted by: Scootergptx
Dial, Armstrong, Doctor Scholl and the floor wax people are all gonna hear from my attorney.
Posted by: wader
Ok i don't own a Rhino"YET" trading the grizz for one in the spring. I don't think i'll have the problem of sticking my foot out incase of a rollover as i have an artificial leg(so no worries there) but if ppl are so worried about it buy or build sum half doors for it easy fix plain and simple......Wader
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That looks good, definatley won't be stickin yer leg out the side now, nice job....wader
Posted by: motox26
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Originally posted by: Alexandria Do you really actually think that it is IMPOSSIBLE for the rhino to have a defect??...
I seriously doubt a defect is going to cause Rhino's to flop over on their lid just at the snap of a finger. I have some seat time in them, and while they are tippy when you corner them fast, the driver is responsible for the machine and should know it's limits.
I laid my dirtbike over last weekend, does that mean it has a defect and I should report it to Honda?
Posted by: motox26
WOAH, that's one heck of a story prowrench.img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0"> At least your still out riding tho.
Posted by: motox26
"doesn't look like something that would tip going 20 miles in hour "
I just noticed this statement in Alexandria's profile. This is why these things and ATV's in general are dangerous, people assume they're safe and because they have 4 wheels people feel safe when they sit on/in them. I'm sorry you got busted up, I really am, but please quit blaming any manufacturer for you or anyone else getting hurt because of inexperience and knowledge of these machines. You and anyone else who rides these things are responsible for yourself and the machine. 20mph is plenty fast enough to roll these things if you cut it hard enough, they are not low to the ground like a Ferrari. These are intended for off-road use, off-road use means it will sit up high for suspension travel and ground clearance, and it will be narrow to fit between tree's for woods use, this equals "tippiness".
-Brandon
Posted by: motox26
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Originally posted by: Alexandria I just got a lawyer.
And this is the type of person that helped the 3-wheelers disappear.BR>
***Anyone who is sue happy, please stay away from my sport, you're going to ruin it for the MANY people who enjoy it.
Posted by: motox26
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Originally posted by: LeroysRhino
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Originally posted by: Adamzim
I am a Rhino owner with concerns about rollover safety. I have several friends who have broken arms and legs!
whatever happened to Darwin's theory? I hope your friends dont have any offspring. this gene pool is full of idiots! we need CLORINE! lol
LOL, I see you and OFC have the same idea's.
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Originally posted by: maw
My son was involved in a Rhino (rollover) accident. I've seen postings on the web were people talk about "low speed turns" in which a rollover occurs. I'm searching for data that supports low speed turns can in fact result in a rollover. In your case, how fast do you think you were going? Can you point me to any rollover test data, and/or point me in the direction of someone who might have this information.
thanks for you help in this matter,
-maw
I havn't seen crap about low speed roll overs. And if the driver knew what he/she was doing, it wouldn't of happened if it did. If you are a sissy, and can't handle the dangers of the sport, then please stay out of it!
Posted by: rescuediver
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Originally posted by: RaptorOwner
Oh, I just realized something, THIS BUTT HEAD LIVES IN MY TOWN.
Think you need to pay him a visit and show him how to drive a rhino.
Posted by: rescuediver
I know this is an old thread that has been revivedFrom what I have witnessed out at Pismo and other places, the Rhino and others like it are being ridden like an atv, which they are not. Time for the driver/rider to take responsibility for their actions or buy themselves a padded suit
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Originally posted by: GusinCA
Wow, I started this thread so long ago, can't believe it's still going.
I agree, Rhinos are driven very agressively, sometimes too much so for the design of the machine (without the right modifications) or the skills of the driver.
But that's true with almost every vehicle. When you see the guy with the fully loaded and raised Suburban towing his fully loaded ATV trailer down the freeway at over 80 mph, what do you think he's going to be like when he gets there... hr>
He's going to be operating his toys of choice the same wayWe are our own worst enemiesThen we cry foul when the government cracks down on us, because they try to stop the wrecklessnessthat a minority portrays everyone in the sport as being.
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Originally posted by: Bk9360
You know what, y'all can throw "Golden BS cards" all you want. You guys can think I am talking half truths all you want, and that's fine. But next time you take the rhino out with your kid in the passenger seat, at least you will know the danger is out there. Thats the most important thing. Truth be told, I will never meet anyone of you in the outside world and in most cases I don't want to meet most of you, so you guys thinking I am some tree huggin hippie hell bent on taking away all your fun and turning America into North Korea, go ahead and continue believing that, no skin off my back. I just hope one of you guys dont get injured because you remained closed minded about the topic.
I read one post say that he was going to put legminders on because of the possibility of this happening to him. That in my mind makes all you guys thinking I am satan himself worth it. Though you guys hate me for it, at least one person is safer because of people like me who have the balls to speak up.
Another post asked whether or not people's feet were thrown out upon roll over. That is exactly what happened in my accident. My passenger's feet were thrown out due to centrifical force and lack of feet protection. THAT is what this is about. The vehicle needs something to keep the legs in the vehicle because on a rollover like that, all force is pushing you out. Thats why people who aren't wearing seat belts get flung out of a rolling vehicle. On the rhino, you will notice that stock there is nothing to keep your feet IN the vehicle when they are on the floorboard. Like I have said in previous posts, it would be a very easy fix for Yamaha but they won't do it. That is where I see fault that is not my own. We can argue until we are blue in the face whether or not I am a skilled driver and whether or not I was driving withing the "capabilities" of the vehicle. Truth of the matter is, y'all don't have any basis for your arguements because there was only one other person at the scene (my friend who got his foot shattered) and he also maintains I was not driving crazy or driving poorly, that's all I really care about. How you guys view my driving skills worries me not. Just know that if Ivan Stewart bought a Yamaha Rhino, I'd strongly recommend to him to put some sort of leg support in. I am not comparing myself to Ivan "Ironman" Stewart, just proving the piont that my skill level had nothing to do with the rollover.
This is going to be my last post and I will not be returning to this discussion board because there is not much "discussing" taking place, which is very unfortunate. Somewhere along the lines you guys have decided that anyone who disagrees with you and has another viewpoint is now the enemy and is to be hated. Sad really. But I want to depart with this, the Yamaha Rhino has a strong possiblity of rolling over, even if you do not expect it. There is no leg support for that kind of rollover. If you purchase this $10,000 vehicle spring for at legminders or even better, half doors. Considering you just paid $10k for a recreational vehicle, another $200 is not too much when considering the safety of your passengers and yourself.
Thats all I got and I am gone. Hopefully I will not meet up with you guys in the ER
-Bk
That's to bad your buddy/friend was injuredIt's the risk you take in this sport. If you spent $10,000 on the thing, why didn't YOU spur the extra $200 and buy the doors for extra protection? Apparently the way you drive it, you need the protection. By the way, were you wearing a helmet? And I love your statement "he also maintains I was not driving crazy or driving poorly, that's all I really care about." Of course he isn't going to say you were driving like an idiotHe along with you see BIG $$$$ in Yamaha. I suggest he go after your homeowners policy, sounds more appropriate to me.
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TPR: well said
Posted by: rescuediver
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Originally posted by: GusinCA
You misread (misunderstood) my post.
What I was saying is that these sorts of things are NOT possible, and that is why it is IMPOSSIBLE to make everything 100% safe.
Please re-read the post and let me know what you think.
After reading it, it looks like I took it out of the context. There forth I removed my reply to it
Posted by: hondablue
I dont own one but have driven them. MY friends have them and race them on a motorcross track...and guess what yes they do roll.... at 40mph in a hairpin turn while bumpping fenders....the roll overs I have seen People keep their hands and feet inside the ruv...This is nothing new ...We have been told to keep our hands and feet in from the first day of school if not before....I do a lot of riding and see a lot of stupid people..I have also seen those same people DIE and have their families say that they were good safe riders...(the most recent one was a drunk on a banshee at night with no lights or helmet at top speed into the side of a motorhome...thats safe?)we all need to take responsability for our unsafe behaviour...Ofc was there at the time of my last big crash......handlebars broke at top speed....but I did not sue the bar manufacture...at first I blamed them but came to realize that it was due to me tieing the bike down by the bars weakened them...MY FAULT....injuries were due to unsafe riding....MY FAULT....ball up and be responsable ...
Posted by: pwillie
Now you know why insurance premiums are so high!!!!!
Posted by: pwillie
A Rhino is like a gun(fire arm) it can set in one spot all day and never hurt anyone.Its the fool that uses it,that hurts one self.............
Posted by: pwillie
How come a Rhino has a roll bar and a Grizz. doesn't? Do you suppose its because the Rhino has more tendencies to roll over than a Grizz?Personally I like the added factor of the roll bar,I think it is much safer than a 4X4 like a Grizzly.I have owned several ATVs,and I must say for my use the Rhino works well for me.No, I don't try to cross the Grand Canyon,are any other giant obstacle.I use mine primarily for hunting and general woods riding.I have known several people that can break a steal ball,or a railroad anvil....most any machine can be torn up, I have a friend that can attest to that! Trucks,boats,half tracks etc...he can break them.....I bet my friend could break my Rhino,but I want let him near it!!!!
Posted by: pwillie
Did he break his steering box?
Posted by: pwillie
I think its a good thing!
Posted by: pwillie
I am real sorry you have had your problems,as an old time rider of motorcycles and Quads,I must agree that it is usually pilot error that causes accidents! With that said,I can't understand why a Rhino would flip over going 8 mph.The nut that holds wheel is the most important part of any vehicle.........
Posted by: GusinCA
Yamaha neds to adress this issue, provide some netting or at least a bar to keep people's legs inside during a tip/roll.
Lawyers like this are already salivating:
http://www.rhinorollovers.com
Posted by: GusinCA
Well, I agree, to a point.
See if that were the case, there would be no safety features, like seat belts, airbags, ABS, etc.
And while I am a big believer in being careful, I am also the son of a trauma surgeon, and the sh!t I have seen would make your hair fall out.
So, if lawsuits are the only way that make manufacturers build safer products, then that's a shame...
Like I say, I am divided on this one. I hate to see Yamaha pull a machine off the market becuase of too many lawsuits, but I've also scared myself by putting my foot out when I thought I was going to tip over. It's just not something you can tell your brain not to do. And this isn't some lawn maintenance machine like some of the other sidexsides out there, this thing is arguably the most off road oriented of them all.
I wouldn't sue for something like this, it really is a case of something the driver did, either by going on really rough terrain, or by putting their foot out.
But it's such a simple fix for what seems to be the most common way to hurt yourself on this thing (I've heard of at least three broken legs so far, there's got to be a few more) that I'm pissed Yamaha hasn't done anything simple to fix it (like the replacement gas cap, that was simple).
Posted by: GusinCA
I am trying to tell myself not to do it, and I'm getting better at actively thinking about it, but here's the thing:
How do you train a new passenger? Or someone who is just driving your machine for the first time?
Ain't gonna happen.
Posted by: GusinCA
I did notice that, but I wonder if it comes back far enough to make any difference?
Or was it maybe to keep mud and stuff out?
I wonder why only on the passenger side?
Wierd.
Like I said, simple fix to the most common injury causing problem. C'mon Yamaha, just put something there...
Posted by: GusinCA
Wow, I started this thread so long ago, can't believe it's still going.
I agree, Rhinos are driven very agressively, sometimes too much so for the design of the machine (without the right modifications) or the skills of the driver.
But that's true with almost every vehicle. When you see the guy with the fully loaded and raised Suburban towing his fully loaded ATV trailer down the freeway at over 80 mph, what do you think he's going to be like when he gets there... BR>
Posted by: GusinCA
Here's something to consider, I have never flopped my Rhino over. I started this thread long ago, and it's still going I see. Must be a hot issue.
I have had my Rhino two years now, and have taken it on some of the most treacherous terrain imaginable, where tires are way off the ground, and never once laid it on it's side.
Now, I have leg minders, and arm minders, but maybe I'm just a really good driver?
Posted by: GusinCA
Wow, I am really sorry to hear about some people's injuries.
As the son of a trauma surgeon, I have seen horrible, awful things. My mom (the surgeon) always used to say "you should see the ones that never make it to me".
Oh well, anytime you do something that we (as humans) weren't designed to do, injury or death can result. Driving, flying, going fast or high or underwater.
Given that I started this thread, I don't think the Rhino is inherently dangerous, but is it more tippy than a Ranger, sure. But it's also a lot more capable.
Now comes the question, Yamaha obviously knows about the lawsuits coming in from these particular types of injuries, so they must be talking about this at some level up in management, and the conversation probably goes like this:
"Should we put half-doors on the Rhino"
"Might make it look like we are fixing a safety flaw, expose us to even larger lawsuits, can't you just hear the lawyer now: 'why are there now doors on the Rhino, and why didn't you recall my client's Rhino to put doors on it?'"
"But I would really like to put these doors on, maybe we should make them an option, for 'mud protection' or something"...
Usually it just boils down to, what would it cost vs. how much lawsuit money has to be spent. Companies (advised in huge part by attorneys) actually do make these calculations all the time. Airlines, car companies, etc. It's a delicate balance in this country between liability and profits. I'm almost certain that if they had predicted the lawsuits that are coming in before they finalized the Rhino design it would have had little half doors or a bar or something. For now they will probably stick with another sticker.
Posted by: GusinCA
I think the danger from a Rhino that a quad doesn't have is that "pinning" effect.
I still think the Rhino is safer than a quad, if everything is kept inside and it isn't ridden past it's capabilities (however low those might be in certain situations, as with any specialized vehicle).
I think that's why you see a lot of new quads with a full plastic shield behind the pegs to prevent the injuries people were having when their feet fell off the pegs and went backwards.
I don't think you'll ever see a quad all caged up with seatbelts, that doesn't make sense for that design, but more or less keeping everything inside a rollcaged, seatbelt-type vehicle does.
Posted by: GusinCA
Maube the best thing about threads like this is the warning it provides.
I know I might not have bought legminders if I headn't read it somewhere that it can happen...
Posted by: GusinCA
Well, as the originator of this lengthy thread, I have Yamaha's solution in my hands:
They sent out a letter reminding people to keep their hands and feet inside the vehicle, and a new sticker for the machine showing the same thing.
See? I told you the lawyers were in charge!
Posted by: GusinCA
What are you talking about "recalling Rhinos"?
I haven't heard of any recalls?
Posted by: GusinCA
Wow, it was back in October 05 that I started this thread, I had no idea how far it would go.
I'm kind of bummed how many people are planning on suing Yamaha for this, since it is so clearly not a manufacturer's defect. My friend is a DA here in L.A. and I had him look at it. Under the law it is not a defect, but rather a hazard of using the machine. In the instructions it warns about it, and that's that, from a legal perspective. That said, he guesses juries will see the injuries and award anyways, and so Yamaha will settle, and pass the costs along to us and thier shareholders, of course.
He pointed out that a defect is something that through normal use injures or destroys property (like a spontaneous fire coming from a bad carb or axles breaking under normal use sending the vehicle out of control, that sort of thing). This is nothing more than the same problems all ATV's, motorcycles, jetskis, snowmobiles, bicycles, anything that is a vehicle of any kind has, including a Rolls Royce limousine.
Anytime you do anything besides sit in one spot, you can get hurt.
Posted by: GusinCA
Well, it's like I said, it technically doesn't fall under the definition of a "manufacturer's defect". The argument can be made that it is too tippy, or that there should be more protection, but those are just that, arguments.
You can break just about anything down if you approach it in that fashion.
Airliners should have doors on every row, a parachute under every seat.
All cars should be the same size, and as safe as a new Mercedes S-class.
All ATV's and motorcycles should be banned, since there is no way to make them much safer than they already are.
You can argue extremes in many circumstances, you could fully enclose the Rhino, give it airbags, 5 point harnesses, stability control, crumple zones, etc.
There is just no way to make everything 100% safe.
Unfortunately, the Rhino is a particularly easy target since it LOOKS so safe. Rollcage, seatbelts, car like controls. It doesn't LOOK dangerous nor does it have the dangerous reputation ATV's and motorcycles have (yet - maybe it would be a good thing if it did, it might garner some more caution from it's users). I guarantee this is a major argument foundation for the prosecuting attorneys.
But juries love to stick it to big companies. They are human, after all, and figure that someday if something happens to them they might get a big settlement as well.
One of the problems is that health insurance is so sketchy in most cases that without some kind of settlement the people with injuries are really screwed, so I do feel for them in that regard. It's just unfortunate that their only recourse is to take a big corporation to court. The downside for all of us is that we get higher prices, and maybe eventually the Rhino is removed from the market alltogether.
Posted by: GusinCA
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Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: rescuediver
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Originally posted by: RaptorOwner
Oh, I just realized something, THIS BUTT HEAD LIVES IN MY TOWN.
Think you need to pay him a visit and show him how to drive a rhino.
Or at the very least, help him to understand that this kind of activity has its dangers. There are dangers in off road riding. Any one who isnt ready to acept that fact should not be participating in such activities.
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Originally posted by: RIS
GROW UP AND TAKE BLAME FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS!
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Posted by: OneFlyCowboy
I have always wondered why they are too cheap to put the half doors on them factory?
Could that have something to do with the classification of the vehicle? maybe they would require side impact and all that crap if they had doors?
Posted by: OneFlyCowboy
For general use putting around your ranch feeding some animals and what not.. You don't need the doors. but if your going to go out and roll it over and dont have the where withall to keep your feet in the vehicle then you will prolly want the doors. but by design they are made to be easy to get in and out of. and as safe as anything. I know i will flip anything i drive at least once.. Ive flipped cars, trucks, ATVs, Motorcycles, Dozers, excavators, boats and so on.... Notice I flipped them. they did not flip themselves.
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Originally posted by: Slinger
Prowrench. lighten up. You act as though you were the one being sued. .
As a yamaha consumer we are being sued. and as a person who enjoys innovation in the atv marketplace.. again being sued. Its like people who are skiing at a ski resort and crash into a chairlift tower and sue the ski resort. or people who spill coffee in their lap and sue mcdonalds. whats up with that stuff. Sue happy america. wooo whooo. no one has to have accountability for anything.. only the evil corporations. Its all their fault.
Posted by: OneFlyCowboy
Fwew.. OK i read everything here.. To the people who say they was doin nothing crazy.. What was the tire pressure like at the time of the incident? Stock tires on all atv's suck, especially when under inflated. they roll and the wheel hits the ground and over you go. I can't see that rolling the vehicle is yamaha's responsibility in anyway though. someone was driving the vehicle and the roll over was their fault. going slow or not yamaha executives or employees were not behind the wheel of anyones rhino. Chit happens.. if you think it don't thats inexperience. and thats how you end up getting hurt.
Posted by: OneFlyCowboy
Alexandria.. I don't think anybody wishes for you to have to have experienced what you did.. Its just we all cannot see how it is in anyway yamaha's fault. they didnt make you get in the rhino. no one says atving is a safe sport. But with proper precautions taken it can be done with relative safety. I know numerous people who have broken their legs on quads by sticking them out.. None of them think its the manufacturers fault for not trapping their leg on. chit happens. I guess i need to know where yamaha ever represented that the rhino could not flip over?
Posted by: OneFlyCowboy
So i guess there is something wrong with my outlander cuz i was backing off the concrete and turned and it just rolled right over. I wasnt doing anything crazy either. I just stopped at my uncles house to grab a rake and was backing out. Did the same thing on the polaris 700.. I can see why the CPSC has to get involved.. Because people contually prove time and time again they are not responsible enough for freedom.. and thats sad
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Originally posted by: LTZ
Rhino and Ranger products.
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Posted by: OneFlyCowboy
All i can say is i did some research. and I liked what i found.. and it also explained allot..
Posted by: OneFlyCowboy
Come on now.. the agressive tone will get us no where with this situation.
But I can tell you these situations are a mere product of society.. and we need to make changes elsewhere.. Its not with ATV manufacturers.. These changes need to be made in ourselves. Do we live,, or do we hide and only wish we lived? When we live, we take risks. thats life.
Posted by: OneFlyCowboy
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Originally posted by: hondablue
.Ofc was there at the time of my last big crash......handlebars broke at top speed....but I did not sue the bar manufacture...at first I blamed them but came to realize that it was due to me tieing the bike down by the bars weakened them...MY FAULT....injuries were due to unsafe riding....MY FAULT....ball up and be responsable ...
Dude.. NO WAY.. It was cuz you are soooo strong.. you scared me when you had ripped the bars off
Posted by: OneFlyCowboy
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Originally posted by: RIS
If you smoke, you are stupid enough to die from it. I am sorry if this caused anyone pain. Its just how I see it.
RIS
I smoke but it won't be what kills me I reckon Women will be the death of OFC
Posted by: OneFlyCowboy
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Originally posted by: motox26
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Originally posted by: LeroysRhino
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Originally posted by: Adamzim
I am a Rhino owner with concerns about rollover safety. I have several friends who have broken arms and legs!
whatever happened to Darwin's theory? I hope your friends dont have any offspring. this gene pool is full of idiots! we need CLORINE! lol
LOL, I see you and OFC have the same idea's.hr>
Leroy likes the mud.. Im scared of mud But besides that If people don't wanna get hurt Stick to arm chair qtrbackin. Otherwise if your gonna do dumb chit man up and take responsibility for the dumb chit you do. Lay blame on no one but yourself. you made the choice to do this. If you get hurt Its your own choice that led you down the road to your injuries.. Sure injuries suck. But it aint my fault or yamaha's fault ya got hurt.
Posted by: MrDumass
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Originally posted by: motox26
WOAH, that's one heck of a story prowrench.img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0"> At least your still out riding tho.hr>
Amen to that!
Posted by: Teebone56
Oh, and the most important thing engage brain before starting.
What ever happened to taking resposibility for your own actions.....
Posted by: Teebone56
A few months back I was camped next ot some bumbling boobs with a Rhino at Pismo beach. they were out past the 11pm curfew driving through camp at high speeds doing donuts jumping the thing on a track they had made. i told my wife I was surpised they hadn't rolled the thing the way they were driving it. Finally at 2am I told them to knock it off and went back to bed. I could hear the kid a 16yr old begging Dad for 1 more ride...well he won out and off he goes spinning donuts in the Surf. Yeah...can you guess what happened next...highsides it and over it goes Kids off to the E room with a broken leg. Now you would think the story would end here but there is more with little brother in the hospital with a broken leg, the OLDER more reponsble brother decides to take the cousin for a ride yep...right back out into the Surf where he highsides the thing doing donuts.....roll over ambulance time cousin gets a compound fracture and needs 3 surgical cleanings to get the sand out of the open wound made by a jagged bone. Nature sometimes has it's own way of thinning the herd....
Honest your honor we were just driving down the road and it tipped over all by it's self...yeah good luck with that one. You want to make a buck don't do it under the guise that you are tring to protect the rest of us, I'm not going to buy it. I was tought to take reasonsbility for my own actions.
Own up to it man
Posted by: Teebone56
Now see how can we take you seriously, when now because you have been outed you want to resort to violance..tisk tisk and you had such a strong case...................................................NOT
Posted by: Teebone56
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Originally posted by: hard2find
This is inresponse to all of those who have stated that It was my stepsons fault for sticking his leg out, and that they hate lawsuits and to take resposibility. I would like to be able to continue some of these conversations face to face because it's comforting to know that you wouldn't sue me for all of your dental work!!hr>
And so you probably buy the dog ate my home work excuse...
Posted by: yellowrider250ex
Just think what the wreck would have done to him if he was on a Four-Wheeler, and here they are worring about whats going to happen to there legs when they could be dead if they were on a four wheeler, I've got both a Fourwheeler and a Rhino and that is just the risk you take when riding them and most of the time none of this will happen if your not being overly stupid.
Posted by: ForemanDan
I had a rollover on my Rincon and broke my wrist. I was only doing about 1 mph on the side of a mountain. Who should I sue, Honda or the owners of the mountain. Obviously it was not my fault. LOL.
Posted by: ForemanDan
I have heard that Rhino's can be tippy and I have read about the rollovers. But I recently watched a guy with his daughter doing donuts with his. He went around about 10 times and he had his foot in the gas. If it won't tip over from that, then someone did something to cause it to flip over.
Posted by: DesertViper
Maybe some people need to sell their Rhinos and pick up a safer sport, like underwater basket weaving, LOL. Seriously though, I am sick and tired of lawyers, and the US legal system in general thinking they have to legislate every single minute aspect of our lives.
And I'm not buying that you cannot tell your brain not to stick your foot out either. I competed in rock crawling Jeeps for a period of time, and you need to "tuck and roll" when those go over, so why would a Rhino be any different. I have only had my Rhino for five days, and came within a nat's breadth of rolling it just yesterday. I had it up on just one front tire doing a balancing act, and really thought it was going over on its lid. My son was on the passenger side (the high side) and I yelled for him to NOT jump out, because that would have made a rollover a certainty. I did not stop to remember that he had his seat belt on and that he could not have jumped out if he wanted to, I just didn't want him doing something stupid like trying to bail out halfway through a rollover. But I did remember to "tuck in", just like with Jeep rockcrawling, and it never even occured to me to stick my leg out. Why would I want to do that anyway? Might get a broken leg doing that
Posted by: DesertViper
Anyone notice that there is a plastic piece that sticks back about four inches from the front of the "door" opening on the passenger side of a Rhino, to help keep the passengers feet inside the vehicle better, and that this same piece of black molded plastic is not on the driver's side? Kind of makes me think Yamaha did do something to help keep people with less Rhino experience (passengers) feet inside the vehicle.
[edit] I think I read somewhere that the aftermarket sells half doors for the Rhino. If someone were concerned they could buy a set. Alternatively, Yamaha could equip the Rhino with them (for a price of course), and people that didn't want them could remove them.
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Originally posted by: GusinCA
Yamaha neds to adress this issue, provide some netting or at least a bar to keep people's legs inside during a tip/roll.
Lawyers like this are already salivating:
http://www.rhinorollovers.com
Might as well add all golf carts too as they are prone to tipping as well. I have seen it done several times. There are a couple of places that offer bars that keep the legs in.
The larger problem is using a product in an improper or dangerous way. I have seen Rhino's jumped and duned and in those activities, if somthing were to go wrong, an arguement could be made as this was probably outside the scope of normal use. That would be like the idiot that takes his Quad on a trail he knows is too narrow, busts a tree and sue's because the quad was too wide to go through that particualar spot.
There should be a provision that if you file a lawsuit because you lack the proper common sense, then the defendants have the oppertunity to seek damages from the Plaintiff.
That being said, if a injury occurs within the normal realm of specified use, then a case could be made. Biggest thing is that we engage in aggressive and dangerous activities, we are bound to get hurt. Can't blame others for that...
TPR
Posted by: TPR
I have no problem with that, but better still would be some type of half door like Jeeps have. I know there are a couple of companies that make safety bars that block your foot from stepping out in a roll over situation. Perhaps the next gen Rhino's will address this.
TPR
Posted by: TPR
Wow.....I have read this thing as well and I have to say a few things.....
When I was young, I rode a bicycle. No helmet, no pads, most times in shorts. I raced, I jumped, I crashed. I got bumps, bruises, scrapes, cuts, bone bruises, sprains and strains. It gave me a sense of vunerability, mortality that made me a better rider, because crashing sux, so the better I got, the less I crashed...The better I got, the more the risks increased, the greater the crash and the bigger the pain. That pain taught me limits, reality, consequenses for my actions, and at no time did my parents ever think to sue Schwinn for all my injuries and pain. It was my fault, nobody else and I had to live with that.
As I got older, I rode motorcycles, atv's and atc's. I rode in full gear and I rode with just a helmet and tennis shoes. I rode, faster and faster, jumped higher and higher and crashed bigger and bigger. Got hurt a few times but survived. Never once, did I, nor my parents ever think to sue the manufacturer of the motorized vehicles because the wrecks were all the fault of the operator.
Accidents happen with all vehicles, no matter if I know the limitations or not, you can wreck anything. If you lack the ability to know when you reach your limitations, you are in trouble, you will and probably deserve to wreck. Perhaps you don't belong on an ORV....somthing to consider, but if you lack the skills needed to safely operate an off road vehicle, how does that translate into the manufacturer being responsible for your irresponsiblilty??
I own a Rhino. I have had it in precarious situations. I knew, if I wreck, it's my fault. I keep my feet planted firmly on the floorboard next to the side for support. I kow better than to stick out a leg.
So if someone claims that the design is the only reason their dumbass friend snapped their ankle, they need a wakeup call, becuse to roll one of these, you need to be right on the edge, so BK, accept the fact that your incompetence, not the Rhino design, is the sole reason your friend's ankle got smashed.
TPR
Posted by: TPR
A Rhino is unsafe under these conditions....
1) An inexperienced (unsafe) driver is the pilot. Anytime someone embarks on somthing new, makes them a legitimate if not unwitting threat to themselves and those around them. It's not a slam, it's called a learning curve.
2) Experienced Rider driving in an unsafe manner. There are those that have skills but lack the common sense to keep themselves out of trouble.
3) Anytime a rider is pushing the top speed limits of the Rhino can become unsafe real quick.
4) Unsafe driving conditions and or terrain.
Are these things supplied by or endorsed by Yamaha??? Come on!!
Any of these, and more likely, combinations of these lead to 99% of Rhino/Ranger/Prowler/Golf Cart/Mule injuries.
If an unsafe or inexperienced driver, drives at unsafe speeds in unsafe conditions or terrain, how is Yamaha at fault.
Using that logic, Schwinn owes me a lot of money for pain and suffering.
Why do ATV's have stickers that tell us to not speed, do stunts, keep all 4 on the ground etc.
We are responsible for our safety. If a part fails that leads to an accident or injury, you then take it up with Yamaha or whoever.
Posted by: Grizzman42
i do think its stupid that people stick their foot out..... but it happens, so that means yamaha has to fix it in order to get away from those stupid law suits. i think yamaha should make something on the rhino to keep peoples feet from sticking out, and that will get rid of everybody's problems. no broken legs.... no law suits.... and happy riding
Posted by: Grizzman42
i think there should be a net there to keep ur feet in and if u wanna get in or out then u have the unclip the top of the net and then get in or out. if u dont put up the net and get hurt.... ur problem. thats something yamaha should do.
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Originally posted by: RacinJason
I vote that people start taking responsibility for themselves and actions
RJ, that's quite a novell concept, I don't think it will catch on though.
Posted by: Bastosako
HCR makes side door inserts for Rhinos here KickPLates
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Originally posted by: RacinJason
I vote that people start taking responsibility for themselves and actions
I vote the same. People looking to blame another for their stupidity suck. Drives the price of the machine up for all. take responsibility for your own actions. What they want is a free ride on our dollars.
If you dont know to not stick your foot out, then put a door or bar anything YOU want on YOURS. But leave everyone else alone & take responsibility. If you cant, don't buy one.
Posted by: prowrench
Ambulance chasers, everyone or you. If you want the government to have full control or such things nove to China or North Korea you will be nice & cozy...
If you dont have the skills to operate the machine stay off it.
Posted by: prowrench
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Originally posted by: Bk9360
that it should NOT roll over. At a very slow speed while driving very much within the capabilities of the vehicle. .
Oxymoron, that's what your excuse is, Look it up. If you were driving within it's capabilities it would not have happened. PERIOD.
I know it sucks & you dont want to feel responsible for your friends injuries, but you are. Suck it up & be a good person, take responsidility for YOUR actions.
People like you are the reason the rest of us pay so much for our machines. Costs a lot of money to pay the lawyers for protecting the manufacture from frivolous lawsuits, that cost gets transferred to your neighbor & myself because you refused to be a DECENT person.
I'm sorry the person got hurt but an honest person would never do such a horrible thing as you, there's a special place in Satan's ass-crack for folks that do. Your retaliating against a company that has done NOTHING wrong to you, sleep well.
Posted by: prowrench
I don't want to see anyone get hurt either, it sucks. But it's still your fault. Is it Yamaha's fault YOU CHOSE to stick your leg out? No. Are there products on the market to prevent this? Yes, YOU CHOSE not to buy them.
So if you were driving down the road in your car at 20 mph & someone hit you broadside just enough to get you to roll over, your instinct is to stick your leg out? Really? So if your Hyundai did not come with a door you would loose your leg then... wow...
That's a pretty wild impulse. If you see someone light fireworks, do you run like a scared cat? No? So you can control your impulses then. If your in Church & the person your sitting next to you cut's the cheese, you leap to your feet screaming "you stinking bastard" ?
You simply made a bad choice, acknowledge it, learn from it, move on with your life. Stop looking for a scapegoat.
Posted by: prowrench
Your simply not seeing the big picture.
Posted by: prowrench
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Originally posted by: OneFlyCowboy
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Originally posted by: Slinger
Prowrench. lighten up. You act as though you were the one being sued. .
As a yamaha consumer we are being sued. and as a person who enjoys innovation in the atv marketplace.. again being sued.
Exactly Cowboy, thank you!
As for your biased JUVENILE review of my post, Do you even own a Rhino? No, so your just trolling posts to find something to whine about then.
Posted by: prowrench
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Originally posted by: Alexandria
Do you not understand that sometimes mistakes are made, sometimes things arent as perfect as they should be?
That's exactly what many have been trying to tell you! YOU & THE BOY MADE THE MISTAKES!
YOU made the mistake by getting into a machine with a bad driver!
YOU made the mistake by sticking your leg out when he failed to control it!
THE OWNER CHOSE not to put doors on their Rhino, sue them! IT WAS THEIR CHOICE.
Were you wearing a helmet? How about a pair of riding boots? Your the one that put it in the ATV class in your posts, so were you wearing ATV riding gear?
Next time you go out in the woods snipe hunting with a guy, make sure he can drive better than the first guy.
Posted by: prowrench
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Originally posted by: Alexandria
I am sure I will be the last one laughing.
Maybe your right & I'm wrong, after reading your last post it's quite clear you have no alterior motives.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Clearly your out for justice & to help warn others, what am I thinking?
You suffered so badly...... but a lump of our cash will make it all better right?
Posted by: prowrench
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Originally posted by: Alexandria
Oh yeah, and they have already started recalling some of the rhino's...looks like they are onto something.
You are wrong again. The only thing Yamaha has done is issue each dealer a stack of stickers to apply to each side of the roll cage when a unit comes in for service. 07's have it already. They even sent current owners the stickers that may due their own maintainence. In a nutshell the sticker says to "keep you feet inside the vehicle dummy" for you and the ambulance chasers.
Posted by: prowrench
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Originally posted by: LeroysRhino
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Originally posted by: Adamzim
I am a Rhino owner with concerns about rollover safety. I have several friends who have broken arms and legs!
whatever happened to Darwin's theory? I hope your friends dont have any offspring. this gene pool is full of idiots! we need CLORINE! lol
I doubt he/she has "several friends" period.
But the chances that the few folks that have broken limbs also happen to be "your friends" are astronomical.
Posted by: prowrench
I wonder how many of those injured people took a rider safety course, Yamaha offers them for free. I wonder how many were wearing protective clothing, boots helmets etc... Nobody wants to talk about that I see as I have asked before. I have the solution, before Yamaha sells each Rhino the buyer must pass an IQ test. The new owner should be required to sign a document stating that anyone allowed to operate the machine must pass that same test.
I watched a kid grinding a rail on his skateboard recently, when he crashed he got a compound fracture and a skull fracture. I blame the skate board maker, there was not a single warning sticker on that thing. Who would have guessed those things are dangerous? Plus it was to narrow and you cant even take a simple turn at 20 mph. without falling off. After suing them I think they should go after Tony Hawk for making it look easy. Surely they can find someone else to point the finger at.
If all these law suits are not way out of line, where is the line? Is anyone responsible for anything anymore? Does it always have to be some one elses fault? Have times changed so much that nobody has to "nut up" and accept responsibility for there own actions? Where does it end? Cant everyone just pay their own way through life without the constant search for a free ride on someone else's dime? Are we really so screwed up as a society that nobody is responsible for their own mistakes?
If you read this post and cry then the tears ruin your makeup, will your lawyer be filing papers against me in the morning?
There is a little thing I call "Testicular Fortitude" that is sadly lacking in todays world. This country needs an enema.
Posted by: prowrench
That 450 Wolverine is a fine machine, ideal for woods riding. If I could ride an ATV it would be my choice. Years ago when the 350 Wolverine came out I bought the first one we got. I fell in love with it while uncrating and assembling it. First sporty 4x4 made and at the time it was the top dog, the 350 Wolverine, BigBear & Warrior were the biggest bore on the market. Amazing how these days a 350 is classified as entry level, times change quick.
Yo Thom, that McDonalds thing is a prime example of how flawed our justice system is. Only way Ronald McDonald could possible be responsible for anyones obesity is if he held a gun to your head every day while forcing you to eat BigMac's. And who would of imagined coffee is served hot and it's not a good idea to hold a steaming cup of joe between your legs while negotiating traffic? Rats!
I would like to point out that the final word from unbiased independant engineers about the Firestone Tires fiasco was determined to be that when used as designed and properly inflated, there were no problems. Only way the engineers could get the tire to fail was with the vehicle overloaded and the tires underinflated, both things Firestone has no control over. Did not stop lawyers from sucking billions out of the company. Who would guess an overloaded underinflated tire could blow at freeway speeds? Say it aint so! Of course the lawyers had their own test results. I feel bad for folks that were injured or have died in any situation, but if you dont use a product correctly and something bad happens as a result there in only one person to blame, yourself.
Posted by: prowrench
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Originally posted by: hard2find
Our $--,---,---.00 lawsuit is currently proceeding and you will see that within the next couple of years Yamaha will do a recall or drastically redesign the newer models to incorporate a wider wheel base and lower center of gravity. This isn't about getting rich but most importantly making a change to prevent others from suffering unnecessarily for the rest of their lives as my stepson must endure. If you have a Rhino, sell it!!! Buy an empty parachute pack and use it. At least that way, "You Will See It Coming".....
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Originally posted by: hard2find
This is inresponse to all of those who have stated that It was my stepsons fault for sticking his leg out, and that they hate lawsuits and to take resposibility. I would like to be able to continue some of these conversations face to face because it's comforting to know that you wouldn't sue me for all of your dental work!!hr>
Wow, who would guess you would get adverse reactions about trying to squeeze "$--,---,---.00" from an ATV manufactuer on an ATV enthuasist site. The apple does not fall far from the tree. Do you get it that all the money your trying to take will come from our pockets if your plan works? Just get a job please, it's not that bad. How much springer can you watch? I know you might not believe me but Yamaha does not have a big money tree growing behind the plant. The money has to come from somewhere you know, guess where? From every other rider that accepts responsibility for their own actions and pays their own way through life, including myself. The prices of our machines, parts and insurance all suffer the brunt of your greed. Your basically braging about your plan to steal from us then can't understand why the idea does not go over real well with us. Wow.
You brag about suing us for "$--,---,---.00" and in the next sentence you say "This isn't about getting rich" guess that must have just slipped out. I hate it when that happens. Or have I somehow manipulated your own post? I twisted it around huh. Read your own words again, you typed it.
"This is inresponse to all of those who have stated that It was my stepsons fault for sticking his leg out,"
If it's not his fault he stuck his leg out, whos fault is it? Wait, maybe it was my fault... oops. Maybe the cat did it. If you must find someone else to blame for whatever reason how about the driver for trying to operate the machine beyond his skill level? Whomever turned the unskilled driver loose was irresponsible, and when they had another persons life on the line no less. Were they wearing protective gear? Did the driver complete a rider safety course? Who's fault is that? Oh that's right, Yamaha's.
This is what all you ambulance chasers don't get. It's not a car, it does not drive like a car, it's not supposed to drive like a car, there is nothing wrong with the design. Because it has four wheels, a steering wheel, and two pedals you automatically assume it is a car and handels like one. Wrong, it has a solid rear axle and enough ground clearance to negotiate rough terrain. These features are not found on cars, guess why? because what works well for an off-road vehicle is absolutley terrible for driving on roads. The Rhino should never be operated by anyone that does not understand how a long travel vehicle with a solid axle handles and reacts to driver input.
"I would like to be able to continue some of these conversations face to face because it's comforting to know that you wouldn't sue me for all of your dental work!!"
And in closing you threaten everyone that has a different opinion than you with bodily harm, that's mature. Surely your motives are noble ones and your a concerned adult. I would rather enjoy seeing the look on your face meeting me "face to face" now your ego is writing checks your body can't cash. Take a breath and read what you typed next time before hitting the enter key.
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Originally posted by: Alexandria
I would have never gotten on that rhino, not even for millions of dollars!
And for those of you that keep saying....you had to have been doing something other than turning at a low speed for it to flip. My response to you, NO you don't. It happened to me and it has happened to multiple others. We don't know each other but we all have the same story. How does that happen? If it wasn't true everyone wouldn't have the exact same story.
It's sad how cruel you are to others you know nothing about. A 10 yr. old boy just lost half of his right foot due to the rhino rolling.
#1 Did you take a rider safety course before getting in that UTV?
#2 Were you wearing the necessary protective gear, long pants with long sleeve shirt, boots, helmet & gloves?
It's not a car & not supposed to drive like one.
Posted by: squeege
Whats next.....the door pinched my finger owwwww! I'm suing.......Wwwwaaaaaaa!
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Originally posted by: Bk9360
I just kind of stumpled on this site after googling "Rhino Rollovers" after reading that article in my local newspaper, so I apologize for busting into this conversation. I just wanted to put my two cents in on this subject.
I have been riding quads/three-wheelers since I was 7 (I am now 24) and I have been offroading since I was 18. I am not a stranger to the trail or sand. My sister got a 450 Rhino a little while ago. Me and a good friend of mine took it out on their property. They have 5 acres of very flat land. We go out to the back 2 1/2 acres, go to turn around and laid it over at a VERY low speed. The thing just went up on 2 wheels and even though I turned into the roll, it still just "plopped" over. No donuts, no jumping, no crazy driving. Evidently it just caught a bad rut and just laid over. The problem was, due to the lack of feet support, my friends leg (who was the passenger) got swept out of the Rhino. He did not step out of the Rhino out of reaction. He is also very familiar with offroad vehicles and he knew better. After his feet got swept out, they got pinned under the Rhino and the force shattered his foot. They didn't have to amputate but it was still extremely painful injury.
The kicker in all of this is, I was NOT driving crazy. No ifs ands or buts about it. People can say "you must have been driving crazy" or "it wont roll over if you aren't pushing it to its limits." I am here to say that I was driving no near its limit. I didn't even put my seat belt on because I was not going to be crazy. I was just cruising. Upon turning around, it just plopped over. That is the aspect that is so alarming to me. I cannot say "I was stupid" or "I just should have been more careful" and the problem would be fixed. Being crazy or stupid wasn't the problem. The problem is the lack of design to keep feet in the vehicle.
That is where I can fully understand the lawsuit. Not in the fact that it can rolled over. Its mere design should tell the driver and passenger that it is top heavy. However, the fact that there is nothing to keep your feet IN THE CART. Instinct will tell you to either jump out (bad idea) or go to the center of the Rhino (good idea). To get your upper body into the center of the Rhino when all the momentum on a slow speed roll over is pushig you out, you have to have something to push against with your feet (it's that whole "every action has an equal and opposite reaction" thing from high school science). The Rhino has nothing to push agaisnt and that fact is what swept my friends feet out of the vehicle and under the Rhino. Because of the situation, my sister and brother in law have since bought doors for the Rhino so that the same thing doesn't happen again. However, for the consumer to fix the design flaw can be pricey. If yamaha would just add a very inexpensive extra portion to the plastic to keep the feet in, all would be well. The scary aspect of this situation is, it does not fall within the realm "necessary expected danger." This is somethign that people not realize until they have read about, seen, or experience for themselves.
Sure there are inherint dangers in offroad vehicles, motorcycles, and all those other things people mentioned. However, design flaws are what need to be fixed. Lawyers are not going to sue jeep for the consumer taking the doors off. That is out of Jeeps control. However, it would be very easy for Yamaha to fix this design flaw. If the lawsuit does nothing more than inform Yamaha of their design flaw, then more power to them.
This, to me, is along the same lines as the Ford/Firestone Tire issue awhile ago when people where blowing tires and rolling their SUV. The answer is not "well they should not have been going 70 mph in the heat of the summer while driving a top heavy SUV." No, the answer is to ask the manufacturer to fix their flaw. People were operating the vehicle EXACTLY in the manner the vehicle was designed to be operated and due to a design flaw in the tire, people's safety were endangered.
Long post, busting in uninvited to a conversation, and taking an opposing viewpoint, I apologize for all counts. Might be nice to hear both sides of the story though. Just my 2 cents. All I ask is that you let the tar cool a bit before applying the feathers to me.
Another victim card......
Posted by: squeege
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Originally posted by: Alexandria
Hi my name is Allie,
I saw your post about your accident. I was in the same kind of accident. We were driving a little under 20 miles an hour and the rhino rolled pinning my foot underneath it. I to faced amputation. I chose to keep my leg also. After 13 operations and a few months in the hospital I kept my leg but it is severly disfigured and like your always in pain. I was just wondering how your case was coming along? I just got a lawyer and I am new to this but I was wanting to talk to people who have been through the same experiance. Please let me know how your doing? Thank you.
So far you have a story...please post pictures......
I suppose someone like you always has their seatbelt in a car and prolly had a helmet and eye protection on in every atv ride right?
Posted by: squeege
Yes I was on a team that raced go-carts and a buddy flipped out cart going only 15 mph.....I know it is possible even on a go-cart that looks alot more stable....same go-cart pulled a few fingers off another driver cause he panicked and went under a truck...but niether driver blamed it on the machine....
and yeah they could of sued the employer cause it was a work sponsored event and was on the employers property during a training event and was the employers go-cart- and we never signed waivers.....
Posted by: squeege
I was on a video site like putfile or youtube and they were riding the hell out of the rhino....sliding sideways and all and it didn't even get up on two wheels( I can find it again if I have to)
.....I can't believe the thread started with a claim that the were just babying the rhino and it tipped over?
Posted by: squeege
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Originally posted by: Bk9360
I just kind of stumpled on this site after googling "Rhino Rollovers" after reading that article in my local newspaper, so I apologize for busting into this conversation. I just wanted to put my two cents in on this subject.
I have been riding quads/three-wheelers since I was 7 (I am now 24) and I have been offroading since I was 18. I am not a stranger to the trail or sand. My sister got a 450 Rhino a little while ago. Me and a good friend of mine took it out on their property. They have 5 acres of very flat land. We go out to the back 2 1/2 acres, go to turn around and laid it over at a VERY low speed. The thing just went up on 2 wheels and even though I turned into the roll, it still just "plopped" over. No donuts, no jumping, no crazy driving. Evidently it just caught a bad rut and just laid over. The problem was, due to the lack of feet support, my friends leg (who was the passenger) got swept out of the Rhino. He did not step out of the Rhino out of reaction. He is also very familiar with offroad vehicles and he knew better. After his feet got swept out, they got pinned under the Rhino and the force shattered his foot. They didn't have to amputate but it was still extremely painful injury.
The kicker in all of this is, I was NOT driving crazy. No ifs ands or buts about it. People can say "you must have been driving crazy" or "it wont roll over if you aren't pushing it to its limits." I am here to say that I was driving no near its limit. I didn't even put my seat belt on because I was not going to be crazy. I was just cruising. Upon turning around, it just plopped over. That is the aspect that is so alarming to me. I cannot say "I was stupid" or "I just should have been more careful" and the problem would be fixed. Being crazy or stupid wasn't the problem. The problem is the lack of design to keep feet in the vehicle.
That is where I can fully understand the lawsuit. Not in the fact that it can rolled over. Its mere design should tell the driver and passenger that it is top heavy. However, the fact that there is nothing to keep your feet IN THE CART. Instinct will tell you to either jump out (bad idea) or go to the center of the Rhino (good idea). To get your upper body into the center of the Rhino when all the momentum on a slow speed roll over is pushig you out, you have to have something to push against with your feet (it's that whole "every action has an equal and opposite reaction" thing from high school science). The Rhino has nothing to push agaisnt and that fact is what swept my friends feet out of the vehicle and under the Rhino. Because of the situation, my sister and brother in law have since bought doors for the Rhino so that the same thing doesn't happen again. However, for the consumer to fix the design flaw can be pricey. If yamaha would just add a very inexpensive extra portion to the plastic to keep the feet in, all would be well. The scary aspect of this situation is, it does not fall within the realm "necessary expected danger." This is somethign that people not realize until they have read about, seen, or experience for themselves.
Sure there are inherint dangers in offroad vehicles, motorcycles, and all those other things people mentioned. However, design flaws are what need to be fixed. Lawyers are not going to sue jeep for the consumer taking the doors off. That is out of Jeeps control. However, it would be very easy for Yamaha to fix this design flaw. If the lawsuit does nothing more than inform Yamaha of their design flaw, then more power to them.
This, to me, is along the same lines as the Ford/Firestone Tire issue awhile ago when people where blowing tires and rolling their SUV. The answer is not "well they should not have been going 70 mph in the heat of the summer while driving a top heavy SUV." No, the answer is to ask the manufacturer to fix their flaw. People were operating the vehicle EXACTLY in the manner the vehicle was designed to be operated and due to a design flaw in the tire, people's safety were endangered.
Long post, busting in uninvited to a conversation, and taking an opposing viewpoint, I apologize for all counts. Might be nice to hear both sides of the story though. Just my 2 cents. All I ask is that you let the tar cool a bit before applying the feathers to me.
Another victim card......
For this post....I am throwing the "Golden B.S. card"------------
"The thing just went up on 2 wheels and even though I turned into the roll, it still just "plopped" over. No donuts, no jumping, no crazy driving. Evidently it just caught a bad rut and just laid over."
I think they are telling half truths....here is video of a Rhino being flogged
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXz_c2QsaPs&NR
Posted by: squeege
Another thing...the kid never stated if he took a safty course
and he says no crazy driving, but says he The thing just went up on 2 wheels ?
Again here is video of a rhino being flogged and stays on 4 wheels
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXz_c2QsaPs&NR
My buddy with the cammo kodiak 450 is prolly gonna buy a Rhino soon and he rolls over everything he drives...so the big boy needs to make a decision...should he put doors on it or not.....I vote yes for his sake but not everybody flips everything they own...so you decide!
Posted by: squeege
If you can accept some responsibility for the rollover then that would be great....
This is the way I see it.....the problem is not the Rhino....
Part of the problem is that the ATV's have been sissified with auto transmissions, 4-stoke motors(don't have to mix gas and oil),electric start, push button four wheel drive, to make anybody able to ride one......cause they can sell to people who cannot even shift gears.....
ATV's have become so easy to ride that less capable drivers even 8yr olds are now able to hop on just about any quad from 90cc to 800cc operate it.....maybe not safely but operate it none the less....my 2 cents
Posted by: squeege
I am sorry you got hurt...but just because she knows how to operate the Rhino doesn't mean she knows how to operate it safely....this includes ...checking for proper tire pressure...(example) something many people do not know how to do..... even if they can operate an ATV
Posted by: squeege
This kinda chit can happen on any quad! watch link!
Posted by: squeege
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Originally posted by: hard2find
My stepson was seriously injured as a passanger last year while riding a Rhino. While making a lowspeed turn the Rhino flipped over on it's side pinning his leg under the vehicle. He spent 28 days in the hospital and endured 12 surgeries. Eventually the had to amputate half of his right foot. This message is for all of you self proclaimed "Bulletproof" idiots who still think this is not a dangerous and defective unit. Everyone, including myself have heard of these types of serious accidents and feel it could only happen to the "other guy".. Well let me tell you from experience anyone who continues to ride a Rhino will unfortunatley someday turn into the "other guy" but hopefully without the same results as we've endured. It's Russian Roulette on 4-wheels. Just Google the phrase Rhino Rollovers and see how many hits you get and read the articles. These are not make believe tales and they are too numerous to be isolated incidents or all driver error.
Our $--,---,---.00 lawsuit is currently proceeding and you will see that within the next couple of years Yamaha will do a recall or drastically redesign the newer models to incorporate a wider wheel base and lower center of gravity. This isn't about getting rich but most importantly making a change to prevent others from suffering unnecessarily for the rest of their lives as my stepson must endure. If you have a Rhino, sell it!!! Buy an empty parachute pack and use it. At least that way, "You Will See It Coming".....
What was he using it for?
Posted by: squeege
More "idiot" stickers should solve this problem. I bet that kid never took a safety class. Also, what age limits are there on that Rhino and how old was the driver?
Posted by: xFreebirdx
Short people got no reason....Short people got no reason....Short people got no reason to live.
Posted by: RIS
O-Man, O-Man, O-Man! I hate this post! (budlite made me post this and I shouldn't have too)
I put a gun to my head but I missed so I'll get the gun maker! My son is 12 and I guess I'm trying to kill him because he drives the wheels off my Rhino. NOT!!!!!!!!!!! I grew up in a condo in New Orleans that didn't have a rail (or water at the time) around the roof but I didn't jump. By the way my 12 year old hasn't rolled the rhino either. I guess his atv needs training wheels too. He is 12 and knows this thing will hurt you bad, as well as sticking your hand in the garbagedisposall (why would they make his hand fit better then a plumber). I came off my 400ex and I'm not sending Honda the bill for my MRI because I got stupid! GROW UP AND TAKE BLAME FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS! I teach ATV classes and tell everyone this is an extreme sport. Do you get it or are you just stupid? I went to the Honda/Yamaha............ shop and asked about the side airbags on 1000cc death trap................. Do you get it yet? Come on!!!!!!! "The rhino DIDN"T look fun like so I got in it and drove like an ass!" I TOLD YOU I HATE THIS POST. No one said it better than Walton & Johnson "PUSSIFACATION OF AMERICA"!!!!!!!!
NOW MY TWO CENTS!!!!
Posted by: RIS
I guessed I kicked the beehive.
I need to sue Budweiser beuause if I wouldn't have had that beer (sitting in front of my computer, "Not" in my Rhino!) I might not have typed what I did on page 3.
It sucks that anyone has gotten hurt on a Rhino. Just looking at the Rhino at the dealer I knew it could or one day will rollover. Some of the bigger ATVs are as big as a small jeep and when it rolls over its going to crush you. And it has! "I am" sorry if you don't like some of the things I wrote. Its just how I see it! (I don't always use tact) Just as I won't jump out of a perfectly good airplane that is going to land anyway, one would hope. (I hope you don't smoke) If you smoke, you are stupid enough to die from it. I am sorry if this caused anyone pain. Its just how I see it.
RIS
Posted by: RIS
So sorry to hear about your stepson. That has to be the pits for him to have to deal with that as a young man. I am a father also and a Rhino owner that my 11 & 12 yr. old sons drive. (they also have CRF150s and ATVs & been riding from ages 3 & 4) I tell them to slow down in the Rhino befroe they even get in it. I have made them read some of this and ask them "Did you hear me? Slow it down!" I tell them all of the time "You can get hurt bad in that thing". "THINK!" You and I both know they can get hurt bad on the 150s and there ATVs. This is our sport. This is what we like to do. The teaching NEVER stops! I keep a close eye on them when we are out riding. Yes things can go wrong. But I don't think this makes me stupid or anything.
I would like to know the rest of your story. (not useing the word "story" to down play what happend to your stepson) How old was the person driving? Anyone teach them how to drive it? (most kids get drivers ed class room time before driving) How old is your step son? All flat ground...off the Rd. into a ditch by the pond...???? What is low speed? What is low speed to you? Any adults see this or even around at the time? ...................?
I'm not trying to kick you when you are down and I wish and your stepson the best of luck.
Robert
Posted by: RIS
Is the REST OF THE STORY "hard2find"? Sorry but, I think there is more to it than a "low speed turn" . Don't find out the truth. Get rid of the Rhino. I guess when he (the Rhino driver) is behind the wheel of a car and kills someone it will be the cars fault!
Posted by: RoadstarRider
Hey, I've been riding since my 3rd b-day and I 've spilled really hard. I always bail if it's doubtful. I tried to bail out of the rhino, but got caught up smashed my leg (it looked like the dude's on that lawyer website). They were going to amputate, but sliced from my knee to my ankle on both sides of my leg to relieve pressure. They saved my leg. I got a crap-load of staples and a month off of work. I'll never walk right again. So anyway, the though of some easy money is good, but not right. It's my own stupid fault and I have to live with it. I may be a little more bitter if I had lost my leg though. YOU SCREWED UP DUDE!
Posted by: NeedsaYfz
www.rhinorollovers.com
Check out this site again. In the first picture, "his client's" LEFT leg is severely swollen and bruised. The next picture shows "his client's" amputated RIGHT leg.
How would somebody driving a rhino even go about getting their right leg crushed. He must've rolled it on its right side and instead of bailing to the left, he bailed to the right and somehow got his leg caught.
Anyways, in my opinion it is the driver's fault for rolling the machine in the first place. I've personally flipped our Ranger twice and both times it was because I was doing something stupid. However, both times the impact was surprisingly forgiving and we just flipped it back onto all 4s, started it up and kept going.
Posted by: ramsfan
well if you want to get technical the rhino and other side by side units wer not addverticed as sport vehicles they are all addvertised as work vehicles and hunting so if you go above and beyond that then that is your choice not the manufactures. I havent rolled my ranger but I still put my own leg minders on I built them out of semi-truck mud flaps and they work great.
leg minders1
leg minders2
leg minders 3
Posted by: ramsfan
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Originally posted by: MULEDESTROYER
YO RAMSFAN,
I REALLY LIKE WHAT YOUVE DONE TO THE OLD GIRL (LEG PROTECTORS). DOES SHE STILL TALK BACK? THE CHEESY WHITE PAINT IS GREAT, IT GIVES IT A HAZZARD COUNTY FEEL. SO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO ROLL IT. A LITTLE PRECAUTION AND FORTHOUGHT CAN GO A LONG WAY.
REMBER, WERE A HELMET WHEN RIDING ON TWO WHEELS!
I am redneck through and through I have had people ride with me that feel alot better now with the leg minders and I agree I always wear a helmet unless I am hunting( I dont get crazy then) I love the sxs world and where it is going. a few negative people think they need to complain every time the screw up and yes sxs can tip but so can trucks and they dont have roll cages from the factory so lets sue dodge, ford , chevy. LOL I wrecked my 500 sportsman and wasnt wearing a helmet can I sue polaris for not supplying me one with the atv. NOOOOO if you ride you will see or experience something bad sometime somewhere just get used to it and be as safe as you can. we cant make a manufactuer protect us 100 percwent of the time. I feel for those who get hurt or even killed but dont blame the manufacture for someones mistake. Now if it is an actuall defect then that I can understand, make them fix a defect but anything beyond the sell to us is up to the individule and what they plan on doing with there new toy.
Posted by: Floorit
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Originally posted by: DesertViper
Anyone notice that there is a plastic piece that sticks back about four inches from the front of the "door" opening on the passenger side of a Rhino, to help keep the passengers feet inside the vehicle better, and that this same piece of black molded plastic is not on the driver's side? Kind of makes me think Yamaha did do something to help keep people with less Rhino experience (passengers) feet inside the vehicle.
[edit] I think I read somewhere that the aftermarket sells half doors for the Rhino. If someone were concerned they could buy a set. Alternatively, Yamaha could equip the Rhino with them (for a price of course), and people that didn't want them could remove them.
I'm in agreeance with your thought on this DV. People need to take RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR OWN ACTIONS !!! What do all the warning labels tell you on ANY ATV??? Come on......think about this people. Christ OH MIGHTY!!!! I'll hold the nail. When I nod my head, you hit it!!!......SHEESUS!!!!
How many people lose arms and legs mowing their grass while doing something your NOT suppose to with a rider mower ?? The mower rolls over from trying to mow areas that are TOO STEEP for it's intended purpose. It rolls....you put out an arm or leg to stop the impact of it hitting you without thinking, and there goes the limb [arm/leg]
I guess they need to put roll bars and cages on our mowers so we IDIOTS can cut our grass.
Not meaning to direct this towards anyone particular,.....but get a grip on YOUR life without getting SUE HAPPY !!!!!!!!!!
Not saying the problems shouldn't be addressed with the manufacturer. It surely needs something to be done to prevent it in the future.
YOU PLAY.......YOU PAY...........eventually.
Posted by: neverrideahonda
I have doors on mine, half doors anyway. Best thing I have done to it. And it did keep everything inside the cab when I rolled it. Also keeps the mud off of you when riding.
Posted by: Bk9360
I just kind of stumpled on this site after googling "Rhino Rollovers" after reading that article in my local newspaper, so I apologize for busting into this conversation. I just wanted to put my two cents in on this subject.
I have been riding quads/three-wheelers since I was 7 (I am now 24) and I have been offroading since I was 18. I am not a stranger to the trail or sand. My sister got a 450 Rhino a little while ago. Me and a good friend of mine took it out on their property. They have 5 acres of very flat land. We go out to the back 2 1/2 acres, go to turn around and laid it over at a VERY low speed. The thing just went up on 2 wheels and even though I turned into the roll, it still just "plopped" over. No donuts, no jumping, no crazy driving. Evidently it just caught a bad rut and just laid over. The problem was, due to the lack of feet support, my friends leg (who was the passenger) got swept out of the Rhino. He did not step out of the Rhino out of reaction. He is also very familiar with offroad vehicles and he knew better. After his feet got swept out, they got pinned under the Rhino and the force shattered his foot. They didn't have to amputate but it was still extremely painful injury.
The kicker in all of this is, I was NOT driving crazy. No ifs ands or buts about it. People can say "you must have been driving crazy" or "it wont roll over if you aren't pushing it to its limits." I am here to say that I was driving no near its limit. I didn't even put my seat belt on because I was not going to be crazy. I was just cruising. Upon turning around, it just plopped over. That is the aspect that is so alarming to me. I cannot say "I was stupid" or "I just should have been more careful" and the problem would be fixed. Being crazy or stupid wasn't the problem. The problem is the lack of design to keep feet in the vehicle.
That is where I can fully understand the lawsuit. Not in the fact that it can rolled over. Its mere design should tell the driver and passenger that it is top heavy. However, the fact that there is nothing to keep your feet IN THE CART. Instinct will tell you to either jump out (bad idea) or go to the center of the Rhino (good idea). To get your upper body into the center of the Rhino when all the momentum on a slow speed roll over is pushig you out, you have to have something to push against with your feet (it's that whole "every action has an equal and opposite reaction" thing from high school science). The Rhino has nothing to push agaisnt and that fact is what swept my friends feet out of the vehicle and under the Rhino. Because of the situation, my sister and brother in law have since bought doors for the Rhino so that the same thing doesn't happen again. However, for the consumer to fix the design flaw can be pricey. If yamaha would just add a very inexpensive extra portion to the plastic to keep the feet in, all would be well. The scary aspect of this situation is, it does not fall within the realm "necessary expected danger." This is somethign that people not realize until they have read about, seen, or experience for themselves.
Sure there are inherint dangers in offroad vehicles, motorcycles, and all those other things people mentioned. However, design flaws are what need to be fixed. Lawyers are not going to sue jeep for the consumer taking the doors off. That is out of Jeeps control. However, it would be very easy for Yamaha to fix this design flaw. If the lawsuit does nothing more than inform Yamaha of their design flaw, then more power to them.
This, to me, is along the same lines as the Ford/Firestone Tire issue awhile ago when people where blowing tires and rolling their SUV. The answer is not "well they should not have been going 70 mph in the heat of the summer while driving a top heavy SUV." No, the answer is to ask the manufacturer to fix their flaw. People were operating the vehicle EXACTLY in the manner the vehicle was designed to be operated and due to a design flaw in the tire, people's safety were endangered.
Long post, busting in uninvited to a conversation, and taking an opposing viewpoint, I apologize for all counts. Might be nice to hear both sides of the story though. Just my 2 cents. All I ask is that you let the tar cool a bit before applying the feathers to me.
Posted by: Bk9360
I have been doing my best to not respond to the rebuttals to my post and others like mine. However, I think you guys are (perhaps inadvertantly) dodging my main point. The vehicle rolled over when one should be able to reasonably assume (and yes, I do know what happens when you assume) that it should NOT roll over. At a very slow speed while driving very much within the capabilities of the vehicle. The Rhino has very little body damage because of how slow the vehicle was moving. On top of that, the roll over itself was not the issue. Had my passenger just had a scrap on his arm or some bruises, I would not see an issue at all. The issue arises at the fact that when the vehicle rolled over, again I say that it was at a very slow speed, my passengers feet were not at all protected and were actually swept out of the vehicle due to the design of the vehicle. Even in an offroad vehicle, there should be a benchmark of safety. That is why a rollcage is installed on these type of vehicles and seat belts are installed from the factory as a base feature. In this instance, I feel that from the factory as a base feature some sort of device should be installed to make sure that in the event of a rollover, the passenger and drivers feet should not be able to be swept out of the vehicle to be crushed by the vehicle in that low speed of a rollover. A simple bar at a 45 degree angle connecting the verticle rollbar and the horizontal floor board, measuring only 6 to 8 inches long would fix the problem. Such a bar would be extremely inexpensive to install and would save these kind of accidents (or at least it seems to me). We have since installed half doors on the Rhino so that this does not happen again with a young child in the seat.
A member of this board also made mention that by Yamaha realizing their error in design and implenting a fix, they would be admitting fault and open themselves up for more law suits. If this is an argument against fixing an error, that is a bad argument. If Yamaha has created a "dangerous at any speed" vehicle and refuses to fix it for fear of it costing them money, they SHOULD be sued. A very similar circumstance happened in the 70s with the Ford Pinto when Ford decided it woudl cost less to pay off the families that suffered a loss of a family member due to their faulty design than to actually implement a recall and FIX their problem. In these circumstances, I believe the manufacture also has a responsibilty that they seem to opt out of. That is why we have the ability to sue. Not because we are greedy for money, but because if we do not these issues which could be potential very dangerous are not fixed. If greed of money did not trump safety in corporate America, we would not need to sue in these circumstances. However, that is obviously not the case.
That is just my opinion, but that could just be me.
Posted by: Bk9360
You know what, y'all can throw "Golden BS cards" all you want. You guys can think I am talking half truths all you want, and that's fine. But next time you take the rhino out with your kid in the passenger seat, at least you will know the danger is out there. Thats the most important thing. Truth be told, I will never meet anyone of you in the outside world and in most cases I don't want to meet most of you, so you guys thinking I am some tree huggin hippie hell bent on taking away all your fun and turning America into North Korea, go ahead and continue believing that, no skin off my back. I just hope one of you guys dont get injured because you remained closed minded about the topic.
I read one post say that he was going to put legminders on because of the possibility of this happening to him. That in my mind makes all you guys thinking I am satan himself worth it. Though you guys hate me for it, at least one person is safer because of people like me who have the balls to speak up.
Another post asked whether or not people's feet were thrown out upon roll over. That is exactly what happened in my accident. My passenger's feet were thrown out due to centrifical force and lack of feet protection. THAT is what this is about. The vehicle needs something to keep the legs in the vehicle because on a rollover like that, all force is pushing you out. Thats why people who aren't wearing seat belts get flung out of a rolling vehicle. On the rhino, you will notice that stock there is nothing to keep your feet IN the vehicle when they are on the floorboard. Like I have said in previous posts, it would be a very easy fix for Yamaha but they won't do it. That is where I see fault that is not my own. We can argue until we are blue in the face whether or not I am a skilled driver and whether or not I was driving withing the "capabilities" of the vehicle. Truth of the matter is, y'all don't have any basis for your arguements because there was only one other person at the scene (my friend who got his foot shattered) and he also maintains I was not driving crazy or driving poorly, that's all I really care about. How you guys view my driving skills worries me not. Just know that if Ivan Stewart bought a Yamaha Rhino, I'd strongly recommend to him to put some sort of leg support in. I am not comparing myself to Ivan "Ironman" Stewart, just proving the piont that my skill level had nothing to do with the rollover.
This is going to be my last post and I will not be returning to this discussion board because there is not much "discussing" taking place, which is very unfortunate. Somewhere along the lines you guys have decided that anyone who disagrees with you and has another viewpoint is now the enemy and is to be hated. Sad really. But I want to depart with this, the Yamaha Rhino has a strong possiblity of rolling over, even if you do not expect it. There is no leg support for that kind of rollover. If you purchase this $10,000 vehicle spring for at legminders or even better, half doors. Considering you just paid $10k for a recreational vehicle, another $200 is not too much when considering the safety of your passengers and yourself.
Thats all I got and I am gone. Hopefully I will not meet up with you guys in the ER
-Bk
Posted by: Alexandria
I was in a horrible rhino rollover accident and I almost lost my leg. For the people on here calling other's stupid for sticking there leg out during a rollover need to rethink their assumptions. In a fast, unexpected rollover the natural human reaction is to put your leg out to break your fall, you do not have time to think in a time like this. I am a 23 year old girl that trusted in yamaha due to the design of a rhino, doesn't look like something that would tip going 20 miles in hour and that seems to be just whats happening to alot of people. I have had 13 operations, 3 months in the hospital and my body is forever disfigured now. If this was do to one person's stupidity I could understand the rude remarks of calling other people idiots for sticking there leg out in attempt to save themsleves from something terrible. But that's not the case, it seems to me that alot more people are coming forward with thier stories of how unsafe and unreliable these things really are. As a respectable and trusted compay yamaha needs to step up for what they have done and modify thier machines to ensure this doesn't screw up other unsuspecting people's lives like it has to mine.
I advise everyone to get door's put on both sides and to not assume these vehicle's are safe in anyway.
If you have had a simular accident w/ a rhino please contact me at alliedacosta@hotmail.com. Thankyou
Posted by: Alexandria
Hi my name is Allie,
I saw your post about your accident. I was in the same kind of accident. We were driving a little under 20 miles an hour and the rhino rolled pinning my foot underneath it. I to faced amputation. I chose to keep my leg also. After 13 operations and a few months in the hospital I kept my leg but it is severly disfigured and like your always in pain. I was just wondering how your case was coming along? I just got a lawyer and I am new to this but I was wanting to talk to people who have been through the same experiance. Please let me know how your doing? Thank you.
Posted by: Alexandria
I feel sorry for the people on here who are obviously not getting the point.
You can argue as much as you want that if the rhinos weren't driven past thier capacity or pushed past thier limits then they would not roll or injure people. If you weren't so closed minded maybe you would realize that we were the one's in the rhinos, we were the ones who knew how fast we were going, how crazy or how uncrazy we were driving.
In my case, we werent even thinking or planning on driving it crazy in any way that night. We hopped in to go for a drive through the backyard (all flat land) we were driving at a pace of 20 miles an hour, no hills- no crazy turns- no tricks...nothing! That's what your not getting! I would hate for what happened to me to happen to anyone else on here or anyone you care about. It was straight hell for 6 months and it is still very hard. I am only 24 and now I can never show my foot in public again. I cant wear heels or flip flops. It hurts to walk- I can never run, jump, hike, etc....due to the extreme damage from the roll over. This may mean nothing to you but it has changed my life forever! I am not coming on here to argue but to educate...... I am a firm believer in taking full responsibilty for your actions that is why yamaha needs to step up and address this issue, fix the problem that they created.
The more you research this topic the more you will learn how big of a problem this actually is. I just hope you learn from the forums and not from personal experiance.
Posted by: Alexandria
Reading these forums makes me sad and angry all at the same time. I cant understand how some people can be so rude and cold hearted. When I first came on here to post it was only to warn people of the possible danger from the rhino, not to be fought w/ or made fun of. We are not idiots. To post things such as 'I held a gun to my head and missed so now I am going after the gun maker' is pathetic, if thats your way of proving your point you might want to try again. There MAY be a possible design flaw in the rhino's and that is all I was trying to get acrossed. Having experianced it first hand, I know how horrible it is to go through something like this. If I thought for one second it wasn't the manufactuers problem I would not be wasting my time trying to get the word out there. I only wish I could have read something like this before ever getting into the rhino.
My ex-father in law actually owns a hardcore ATV shop and refuses to sell the rhinos. Being on the 'inside' of the business you get to see more facts, more statistics. He refuses to sell them because they are a rollove
