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Posted by: mywifesquad
Originally posted by: outofline
I may be wrong but MWQ is the only one to date that has had this failure!?
As far as I know Im the only one with that failure. Im also probubly the only expert level enduro rider to ride one.
Posted by: mywifesquad
Originally posted by: pimpsmurf
Yeah, I checked and mine looks solid. I think it was fixed. I know Jetmoto has been changing things in production on the fly. It just takes a while for them to trickle-down to the consumers.
-JNY
Im sure if you keep the bolts tight you wont have a problem. Just like the rear sprocket bolts. If they loosen up, the bolts will shear.
Posted by: mywifesquad
Originally posted by: outofline
MWQ, can you post pics so we know exactly what your failure looks like? Have you repaired it yet? Can you get back into the ball game with us here, you have been really no show here for us!
Im sorry for not being more in the game with all this. I started the hype and then you and a few others have kept it going.
My story is simple...sort of...I got extremely pre occupied with my CNC Mill in early March, It took about a month to get going and then... it broke. Being the cheap old guy I am. I insisted on saving 3K by not buying a new servo motor. Instead I fixed it by gluing the magnets back in the housing. That cost me about 2 1/2 months of my spare time. I was at a few cnc forums asking a bunch of questions and learning a few thing to share with that forum. Time I would have been here and working on the Jetmoto 250.
I just finished the repair a couple of days ago. I will get those pics into my page after dinner.
Posted by: mywifesquad
Originally posted by: outofline
I think your priorities are out of whack, I gave up Home Theater and Home Theater Forums for this quad stuff! It will be nice to put you back into the game!
My priorities are straight! My CNC Mill is going to be making Aluminum Chinese Quad parts.
But a home theater forum?
What were you thinking?? LOL
I will go load those pics now.
Posted by: mywifesquad
Originally posted by: outofline
MWQ, can you post pics so we know exactly what your failure looks like?
Have you repaired it yet?
Pic 13 on my page.
I couldnt find the repair pic or my camera. Im guessing both are at my shop. Ill try and get it posted tomorrow.
Posted by: mywifesquad
Here is what I would like to see changed.
1) A larger rear sprocket, about a 50 tooth one. This would allow for better gear ratios without going to a 12 tooth front sprocket.
2) Swap out the stock 428 chain for a 520 chain.
3) slightly stiffer springs with slightly more damping on compression and rebound.
4) Replace the chain tensioner with a chain guide.
5) Much better rubber for gas line, vent hoses, etc....
6) A upgrade of the ball joints and tie rod ends.
7) Seals on the swingarm, a-arms, and the linkage pivots.
8) I'll keep thinking......
Posted by: mywifesquad
Originally posted by: jetmotoracer
ok, this would make jetmoto the best quad ever if they put a hydrolick cluch on them so u can run it with one finger..... like they run on trials bikes....lol
That would be cool, I have a hydraulic clutch on my KTM and my CR500.
Posted by: mywifesquad
Originally posted by: BlazerDe
Rework the gearing ratio and add a fifth forward gear for the Jetmoto 200cc and 250cc sport Atvs. We use ours on road and they really need a fifth gear.
Welcome to the forum BlazerDe!
a fifth gear is a great idea, the only way its going to happen with the current 200/250 engine would be to give up reverse.
I wouldnt mind trading my reverse gear for a 5th gear.
Would you, or any of the other Jetmoto owners trade reverse for a 5th gear?
Posted by: mywifesquad
I dont think Jetmoto is even considering it to be honest. The engine was a 5 speed like the 200cc Dirt Bike. They drop 5th to get reverse on the quad engines. I wonder if you could buy the 5th gear set and just replace the reverse gear? I will see if I can get some info on that.
I just thought of a improvement I would like to see on the '09 Jetmoto 250, or maybe a 300....
How about a liquid cooled 5 speed with reverse? That would be pretty
Fuel injected??
Probubly not.
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Posted by: mywifesquad
Originally posted by: BlazerDe
Thanks for the welcome.
Reverse is important and I love it, I would like to keep reverse and also would like an additional forward gear to make these atvs faster on the road. We top out 4th gear (forward gear of course) easily and know these ATVs engine have power for another gear as I constantly look to shift to a higher gear when topped out.
Your welcome BlazerDe.
Both the 200 and 250 could use a 5th gear. It just cant happen with the current engine.
How long have you had your Jetmoto? Do you like it so far? Any problems with it?
Posted by: smb05
Don't forget a redesign on the rear axle housing, better bearings all around, and a redesign on the lower rear shock mount.
For those of you who have ridden your quads pretty hard or have put a few hours on them I would suggest you pull your rear shock. Inspect the lower mount to make sure the bolt holes are still round and not ob-longed or oval shaped. The metal used was too thin and there was not enough material used for the end of the bolt holes. The shock will rip itself right out of its mount. This area is going to fail from general use, bottoming out, and jumping the quad. I guarantee this and have seen it first hand. I do consider this to be a major safety issue for a rider and one that needs to be fixed. I know the issue has never been discussed and that it probably hasn't because it hasn't happened to any of you yet. This area will give out on you eventually, and God forbid it happens at high speed or in the air.
I must apologize to both Jetmoto and Raceway for the bad write up, but since this thread was started I thought I would voice my concerns and my opinion as to what upgrades should be done. And for those of you wanting a stiffer rear shock I would almost guarantee the mount will fail rapidly from the added pressure.
How about stronger metal used for the frames? Because not only did I see the shock mount fail I also saw a bent frame and frame supports. How about a longer seat for larger riders? I'm sure the list can go on and on. I do remember an issue with the stickers not lasting for more than a couple of washes on the the quads.
Here is the plain and simple truth about the Chinese quad. The quads will never change in quality because the parts used will always be substandard. In order to keep the price down, the parts used will be cheap and unsafe.
Let's say Jetmoto uses better parts and they change a lot of these issues on the quads. The price is going to go up. When the price gets close to the $2500.00 range why would anyone consider the Chinese 250 when you could purchase a used Honda or Suzuki 250 for the same price?
It will be interesting to see the quality of the 08' Jetmoto 250's. How about a totally new design of the quad all together instead of copying one with crappy parts? A new one should be built from the ground up with good quality parts. If Jetmoto is trying to make a name for themselves I think they should start from scratch once again and build something that is not such a Hazard to a rider.
SB
Posted by: outofline
Might be helpful to Jetmoto to have our wish list for the 08 Jetmoto line up. Any improvements or changes on any of the Jetmoto models you think would make these quads closer to what you would hope a good inexpensive quad could and should be.
I will start;
-I would like to see better quality Rubber used on the parts.
-Better gearing on the 250's
-Better quality build of the Mufflers on the 150 Sport
I will add more as I think of it!
Posted by: outofline
-A little wider Handle Bars
-More Grease Zerk locations
-Better Air Filter set up on the 250's
-Increase Turning Radius (mostly on the 150's)
Posted by: outofline
smb05, does not have a Jetmoto but had witnessed MWQ's first ride and failure of his rear spring mount. I have ridden mine a lot and have jumped and woopiedude and have not experienced and rear mount problems on neither one of my 250's or 150's. I am not saying it can't or won't fail but to date all is completely in tacked and I do inspect it often. I may be wrong but MWQ is the only one to date that has had this failure!? Jetmoto has I believe already addressed this and have made changes on current production runs!
Posted by: outofline
MWQ, can you post pics so we know exactly what your failure looks like? Have you repaired it yet? Can you get back into the ball game with us here, you have been really no show here for us!
Posted by: outofline
I think your priorities are out of whack, I gave up Home Theater and Home Theater Forums for this quad stuff! It will be nice to put you back into the game!
Posted by: outofline
Not sure, it's kind of nice to have at times. But I suppose if our first was geared lower for climbing and top end was 50-55 I would be willing to give it up I guess!
Posted by: 00XJ
The muffler dosen't rattle on mine. Some things I'm willing to accept to keep the price low. The chain is one, No OE chain is really that good no matter WHERE it comes from IMO. Maybe go to a 520 chain?
Here's my list,
1. MUCH better quality ball joints and tierod ends. AND I MEAN M U C H better!!!
2. Maybe stretch the wheelbase out a little.
3. Change the angle of the thumb throttle slightly. Closed it is at too close to a right angle to the handlebars.
4. Improve the quality of the reflector plating inside the headlight/taillight. Also neither have any real seal, and water get's into both of them. The water keeps blowing headlight bulbs at $8.00 a pop.
5. A longer rear shock, maybe an 1" or 2".
6. More accessory parts.
7. Braces under the rear fenders. If they get too much mud on them they sag under the weight, and might break going over bumps.
8. A stronger chain tensioner spring.
9. Did I mention ball joints? ;-)
Posted by: BlazerDe
Rework the gearing ratio and add a fifth forward gear for the Jetmoto 200cc and 250cc sport Atvs. We use ours on road and they really need a fifth gear.
Posted by: BlazerDe
Thanks for the welcome.
Reverse is important and I love it, I would like to keep reverse and also would like an additional forward gear to make these atvs faster on the road. We top out 4th gear (forward gear of course) easily and know these ATVs engine have power for another gear as I constantly look to shift to a higher gear when topped out.
Posted by: BlazerDe
We have had the JM 150, 200 & 250 for a month now. Hopefully I'll get a 250 Hunter. How is that model anyways? I haven't heard much about it.
I'd also like to see an optional rack done for these Atvs along with being able to adjust the lights, maybe go back to the raptor style so the lights can be adjusted.
Which puts me to this point. I want a model with directional indicator lights on the 150, 200 and 250 sport and hunter.
Posted by: BlazerDe
Plus a bigger engine size models
Posted by: jetmotoracer
better shocks...lol.... and the chain cuss the guy at my local moto sports shop told me i alredy needed a new one
Posted by: jetmotoracer
sorry to chang the flow but that would be a larege inprovement is they made the gas tank BIGGER cuss i ride for 45 and its alredy almost halv way emptie....... now we resume the flow.........
better tires..(good in sand but not in woods)
shifter mounted diffrenty so u can actually reach it with out takeing ur foot off the foot pegs...lol
Posted by: jetmotoracer
ok, this would make jetmoto the best quad ever if they put a hydrolick cluch on them so u can run it with one finger..... like they run on trials bikes....lol
Posted by: jetmotoracer
larger turning radious....... i saw this post on google
Posted by: jetmotoracer
i agree with the 5th gear that will alow to gear it lower and have more power!!!!!!!
Posted by: jetmotoracer
ok, a fith gear lickuid coold im with that ... with all the problems we alredy have fule injectoin would be a bad idea
Posted by: jetmotoracer
i was thinkin..... if we want a fith gear jm could start cloneing threr engines off of suzukie...(not the bodys tho) but my freind has a suzuki 230 from 87.... that thing can do weelies *STOCK* in second gear with out dumping the cluch and at a roll... or move ing quite fast....... by the way this quad has 5 forward gears so iv been told.... and jm should for there next years moddles make alot of parts compattible with the 07 .... i mean like where all makeing this wish list and half of us arnt gunna buy it or make alot of upgrades for the 07.... like how we want better shocks.... well make it so it will fit the 07/08 or the bearings make them all the same as last years and make them better quallity or something...(to do this u would have to keep the frame the same)and keep the hubs the same so the rims can be swaped...... or make a removeable air box for those that want it and those that dont.... and biuld it to fit the 07 to ....... they could keep the same body thats what honda etc. does....... i would like to see them put the jms on a weight loss program if u catch what im saying!!!! and if u where to change reverse to a nothere forward gear when u shift up wouldnt u hit netral when u shift up... i know with the xr 100 and stuch quads and every thing the netral in in like half shift
Posted by: pimpsmurf
Sealed Air box.
Japanesse-size battery tray so we can get one locally that will fit AND have enough CCAs.
Larger bolt pattern on the rear sprocket hub.
Grease zirks where they are needed.
520 chain
Longer, stiffer (heh) rear spring that needs little preload.
Rubber seals on the taillight housing
wider handlebars.
bigger gas tank.
Optional Front rack (mounting to bumper mount)
Optional plastic that removes headlights so you can install a set that will actually light up something other than the ground 10' in front of you.
-JNY
Posted by: pimpsmurf
I think part of the problem with that, smb05, is that they have chinesse engineers who are concerned with thier manufacturing costs. I don't do much jumping, and I have been down for more than I have been riding, so I don't know about the shock and frame. Which revision of the 07 do you have? There have been changes to the rear shocks (spring rates) and the shock mount since they started shipping the 07. Eugene told me they were considering a longer shock on a better mount when I spoke to him.
I agree, a broken mount is more than a bad thing. I will check mine out when I get the sprocket in this week or next. I have a lot of things to do to the quad and I've been sort of consumed with my new car for 2 weeks.
-JNY
Posted by: pimpsmurf
Yeah, I checked and mine looks solid. I think it was fixed. I know Jetmoto has been changing things in production on the fly. It just takes a while for them to trickle-down to the consumers.
-JNY
Posted by: not tooo heavy
they have starvin 14 year olds building their bikes at 275.00 a bike they can afford to change some things
