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Posted by: 2manytoys
He has an atv shop and when a dealer rides all the atv's it is called test riding to make sure nothing is wrong with them before they leave the shop. ALL dealers should test drive the vehicle that they sell. Same goes with car dealers. If a customer comes into a dealer and wants to test drive a car and decides they do not want it, the car is still new. A demo has to be registered, tagged and also has to have so many miles on it to be a demo. A demo is considered a used car. Now if an atv dealer has a certain few that he uses on a regular basis for people to test ride then they are used. He has to sell them as used.
Posted by: mywifesquad
My wifes '04 Yamoto 150 goes 32mph even with the mods I've done. It does accelerate a little faster with a new air filter/exhaust, but isnt any faster on the top speed..
Posted by: RacewayATV
Turbomike I understand the problems you have had with your unit, but I have sold many many of these units and have rode at least 100 of them testing them before costumers pick them up and there is no scam!!! I have not had a unit YET that did only 27mph. They are faster then that. I think you should take your issues back to the dealer you bought the bike from and get a new one. I don't understand why you keep posting bad things about the product when other people have even posted to you that there bikes perform a lot better then yours. I just feel like you are here just to slam the product when there is a ton of people out there that are very happy with them. You going back to replay to post that were made over 30 days ago. Please take your issue to your dealer and get your money back or a new bike.
Posted by: RacewayATV
atvarizona we do drop ship but we also have a store in New York. We test all of the units as there are put together for costumers for pick ups. We also test all the units that are put together for the show room floor. We have a full service shop also so we test units that come in for service work. We have rode and tested many many units. We are far from just a drop shipping company!
Raceway ATV
Posted by: RacewayATV
Turbomike I don't know how you can say "Awesome point ATV arizona, Thanks for your support" when he is trying to say we just drop ship when we have a store that is complete with stock of units parts and service. I guess sometimes I just don't understand people.
Posted by: RacewayATV
I do have a dyno machine!!! Haaaaaaa. I had a dyno for the past 4 years. I don't know why you feel you have to question me????
Posted by: RacewayATV
So once again when you said we were just drop shippers you were wrong. And now you know we have a dyno anything else should I be proving to you. And the shop you seen online is are old shop we have moved into a much bigger shop. I guess I will have to keep you updated on our company so you do not have to question us anymore.
And last, the pictures that were posted on the web did not show the inside of the service area but it does show 3 bays so how would you know what's in side HAAAA
Posted by: RacewayATV
I have seen them come and go also. I can't speck for Doro I don't know them!!! But our interest is very well of the forums that's why we are a part of them.
Posted by: RacewayATV
I wish I was in FL I would put a lot of money on that race!!! HAAAAA!!!
Posted by: RacewayATV
For a sprocket you my want to try these guys!
http://www.sprocketspecialists2.com/
Kids Quad Raceway ATV
Posted by: Turbomike
No it is not true, Kazumas are rated in KMH not mph. 27 mph. Dealer error. Trust me I got scammed, and Kazuma themselves told me so.
Posted by: Turbomike
Not trying to slam your bikes John. Been out of town and have not been able to keep up on the forums. I have found a local dealer that actually stocks these bikes. She is very honest and lets me test ride hers and actually traded 1 of my FX 150's for the KMX 150. They all went about the same speed. Certainly not 25mph faster than mine. The KMX only goes faster because it has 22 inch tires on the rear rather than the 19 inch the rfx has. The guy I bought mine from originally said they would go 45+ too. He also only drop ships. No overhead and no warranty issues. As far as the accuracy of my claim, I have spoken with Sonny from Kazuma tech support and he personally emailed me telling me the dealers had been misinformed. Do the conversions for yourself. 45 to 50 Kmh = about 25 to 30 mph. I am not trying to make the bikes look bad they do just fine themselves. Just trying to save some honest ATV'er from having the same poor experience that I did and give up on the hobby. It is a great hobby for families and helps kids learn alot about life. I just want to express my personal experiences with these bikes. These are accurate and truthful experiences. I have alot better things to do with my day than make up lies about Kazuma atv's. Besides you said, the forums are hear to express experiences with others. One last thing, If it is such an old forum why did you not reply to him earlier with these accurate speeds. And TODGER, if you do buy one please let me know exactly how fast yours goes and how you measured the speed. I am working with an attorney to try to recoop some of the money I lost due to Kazumas false advertising and can use all of the real numbers possible. Good Luck
Posted by: Turbomike
Awesome point ATV arizona, Thanks for your support.
Posted by: Turbomike
My John Deer Lawn mower outruns my Kazuma 150 MKII.
Posted by: Turbomike
RedCat Man 32.
I am glad you enjoy your 110. Fortunately for you the 110's are nothing like the 150's. The 110 is significantly different than the 150 and has a completely different design motor, gearbox, and drivetrain. If I would have researched them a little more I would have gotten the 110 over the 150 also. If you have the opportunity compare actual pictures of each and you will see. The important thing to remember is that is is a KIDS ATV and it works just fine for that other than reliability. But the reliability issues may just be partial to the 150's as well. Good Luck with yours.
Posted by: Turbomike
I hate to be the one to say it but here it goes. I Told you so. The only reason the dingo goes as fast as it does is because of the 22 inch tires. The rfx only has 19 inch tires. Do the math, even slower yet. I have a dingo also, except I believe it is called a KMX 150, same thing, different sales pitch. Good luck with it, we use ours now for hauling around lawn carts and stuff. Too slow to actually go riding with and good luck trying to sell it for what you paid for it. Everybody around me has them for sale, every little pawn shop and mower shop. Just try to have some fun with it, you own it now. Also on the front sprocket situation I do not believe that there is physically enough room to increase the sprocket size and going any smaller on the rear would just beat the crap out of those already flimsy tensioners and probably eat through the swingarm, but please keep me posted I am still looking to make mine faster as well, but I pretty much just gave up on it and will throw it away when it dies.
Posted by: Turbomike
That would be great if it does work but do you think they make a 15 or 16 tooth front sprocket for one of those? The stock Kazuma one is 14 already. Also you probably know this, but after about 2-3 hours of riding my motor came very loose.It only has 2 bolts holding it on and it caused the intake rubber to break from the vibration I guess. This thing is made very poorly. You get what you pay for. However they are a good starter bike for young kids. I replaced the rear shock (because they are only a spring on a pole and not an actual shock) with a suzuki lt 230 front shock with a little modification of course and it made a big difference. And if no one believes me about them not being a shock take one apart, it is very easy to do. They offer NO dampening at all. The lady I swapped my rfx for kmx to said that she has had a ton of them come back for gearboxes as well. She was however able to get me a new intake and it only took 2 months. Overall they look good and sound fast but they are more like a power wheels than an atv.
Posted by: Turbomike
I definitely believe it is false advertising. I contacted an attorney about it and they basically told me that I was out of gas because Stanic manufacturing is based in china and it would be nearly impossible to fight them out of the country. The guy I bought them from offered me a refund but I had to pay the 4oo.oo return shipping charges so I said screw that. I dont understand it at all, that it why I started posting on this forum, to protect others from the same mistake. The guy Sonny (Kazuma tech support in china) said that there is no way these things would ever go 40 mph. I posted his statement in another forum. I have been met with criticism from some about this but none have the same bikes to argue with. I posted the facts as I found them out. I bought 3 of these at one time, imagine my displeasure. And this was after speaking to the guy selling them 3 times prior to purchase telling me how fast they were. Then after I contacted him he told me that he had never actually had one of these models. (Dropshippers, thats all). If I am not mistaking even the raceway atv guy John said in a prior post argument with me that his go 40 to 55mph...HMMMMMMM.... I wonder? How is that possible when nobody elses do?? Must be that Kazuma rocket fuel that doesnt come with the bikes.
Posted by: Turbomike
I have no idea. I am staying away from the chinese stuff. For such a little bit more money you can go with a name brand. Honda was running a special on 250 ranchers for 2500 last timeI was in there and I know that the suzuki ozarks are right around the same or less. Good luck with it whatever you choose.
Posted by: Turbomike
Mine cam stock with a 26 tooth. That is strange that yours had a 30. Where did you end up getting the 23 tooth from? I never had any luck finding one.
Posted by: Turbomike
Glad to hear you are having success with it. I will also try to grab one of those sprockets. Still kind of dissapointing though that you actually have to buy extra parts to make it go the advertised speed.
Posted by: jta1980
Turbomike is telling the truth. I have a Kazuma FX 150 MKII that might get 35mph going down hill, with a wind behind me. I ran mine up and down my street with one of my friends on his street bike. Other than getting the cops called on us because of the noise we found it runs around 25-30mph. It sounds like it moving really fast. If you do get one I would order the 23-tooth rear sprocket ($20), try finding larger tires, and you will need to change all the oils. I think mine had some type of vegetable oil in it. I was thinking if you could find a larger front sprocket and do the other stuff I mentioned you might be able to get 10+mph out of it. I think there great looking bikes that are good for new riders who want something low price to play with until there ready to move into a bigger bike.
Posted by: jta1980
First off we are talking about 150&39;s not 110&39;s. If you had a 150 with a fully automatic clutch and transmission you would know that they do not go over 30mph. The 110&39;s have a manual transmission. Let me think about this…
Manual trucks = faster,
Manual cars = faster,
Manual bikes = faster,
Oh yeah and manual ATV = faster.
If you want proof of this ask anyone who races. They all have manual transmissions.
Posted by: Todger
Looking at RacewayATV, I noticed the Kazuma 150 ATV's are faster then Yamoto's 150.
Kazuma MKII says 48 mph - is this true?
Yamoto 150 says 35 mph is description and 45 mph is the box - is this true?
Also - I see there is a Kazuma 250 - does Raceway sell that model?
Which one is better?
Thanks,
TK
Posted by: atvarizona
Raceway,
I thought you were a drop shipper? How are you able to test over 100 units before being shipped out when they come in a crate? If you rode them, wouldn't that make them demos?
Robert
Posted by: atvarizona
Raceway,
There is no way you can obtain maximum speed on the 100 Kazuma units you sold in New York during your supposed test runs. I've seen pictures of your shop online and unless you have a dyno machine........... Also, we now know why the intake manifolds are breaking on the 50cc. The maximum weight is 86 lbs and your riding these babies!
Robert
ATVARIZONA
Posted by: atvarizona
Online sellers come and go and everyone has seen several over the years. Look at the Doro Motors situation and the previous seller out of Florida. My questions are with merit to protect the interest of the forum and the consumer in general. Now quit riding those 50cc ATVs!
Robert
ATVARIZONA
Posted by: redcatman32
I don't know what all those guys are talking about but i have just bought my kazuma 110 falcon with the dual a-Arms.
i thought it would be to small for me but the things flies. I am 32 years old and 175 that little thing looks good and has been great so far. It even pushes my 240 lbs brother around good.
i als bought it from Raceway atvs thanks you guys that little thing is tight.
Posted by: Prezzz
I just bought a Kazuma "Dingo" 150 and according to my handheld GPS, I can get it to a top speed of 29 MPH. My Kazuma 110 (MKI, the old version) would do 33 MPH. So the 150 is 4 MPH slower than the 110. I ain't happy about that!!!
Plus, it sound like the motor is screaming just to get that 29 MPH.
I'm thinking about having some sprockets made for it.
Does anyone know if there is a cross reference for a front sprocket? In other words, is there a ATV or bike on the market that uses the same front sprocket? That way I could just order one.
Thanks
Posted by: Prezzz
I did call them earlier and they said they could make sprockets for it no problem as long as I send them the originals. I was looking at the front sprocket and it looks like a Honda sprocket to me. I'm going to see if I can cross it with a Honda sprocket. Trial and error I suppose.
Here's some good info I did learn today that I would like to share that maybe you can pass to your customers. I spoke to a gentleman at Kazuma Pacific today and he said they have 23, 26 and 32 tooth rear sprokets for the 150's. For comparison, I think the stock rear sprocket is a 30 tooth. They take the parts orders online only at www.kazuma-us.com. I think the sprockets are something like $22.00.
The 26 tooth sprocket would give me a 14% increase in speed or 4 MPH. The 23 tooth would give me a 24% increase in speed or 7 MPH. That would still only get me up to 36 MPH which is still pretty lame. I question if the 150 motor and CVT transmission can pull that high of a gear from a start and not cause excessive wear and tear.
If anyone else has and more suggestions for getting more top speed....I'm all ears.
Posted by: Prezzz
Yepper.....you did send out the warning. Too bad I found this forum after I bought it.
There is plenty of room for a larger front sprocket. There is 1" or more clearance all the way around the spocket and if there is a problem, I would just do without the guard. I could swear that it's the same sprocket that a Honda XR 100 uses.
I'll keep you posted.
Posted by: Prezzz
Yeah....I agree they ain't a work of art....that's for sure. No, I didn't see about your motor coming loose. I'll be on the lookout for that.
I doubt they do make a 15 or 16 tooth sprocket. I may be way too optimistic about that.
I see these advertised in many places that they do 47 MPH. I see plenty of 40 MPH quotes as well. Isn't this false advertising?
Posted by: Prezzz
Thanks Turbomike for the info.
I have mine up for sale. I sold my Falcon 110 MkI fairly fast so I could buy this one. Maybe this one will sell also. I currently have it list on the same website. We'll see what happens. Too bad, because I really like it except the speed issue. I haven't (yet) had any other issues with it. My shocks are actually pretty nice. They dampen the rebound and work the way they should.
Are there any other options out there for a Chinese ATV that will actually go 40+ MPH?
Posted by: Prezzz
I got the 23 tooth rear sprocket (stock is 30 tooth). I installed it last night and is was easy and straight forward. Took no more than 20 min. I need to shorten the chain about 2 links, so I'll do that tonight.
I will report the results.
Posted by: Prezzz
Kazuma makes them and actually list them on page 15 of my owners manual as an accessory option. I called them, paid them $25 via credit card, and 2 days later it's sitting on my doorstep. Good customer service. Given I have a known speed with a certain gear ratio, it's easy to calculate speeds with different sprocket (gear ratios). Going from a 30 tooth to a 23 tooth should get me to 38 MPH which is acceptable. My only question is how is it going to do from a start. We shall see this evening.
That change is a 7 tooth difference for me, I'm not sure you would notice a big difference on yours only being a 3 tooth change.
I also have some other good info for you about this engine and some mods. for it to get more power. I'll post it here when I have more time.
Posted by: Prezzz
Also, I found a buyer for my Dingo for what I have in it. I might sell it and I'm looking strongly at this one from Raceway. it's a 200cc unit with a 5 speed manual transmission. Seeing the issue we are having with actual and advertise speed, I'm sure John will be up front about what the actual speed is.
http://www.racewayatv.com/redcat-dxp-200-cc-atv.php
Posted by: Prezzz
Well, I have to report that I am more than happy with the sprocket change. Top speed measured by GPS is exactly as I calculated at 38 MPH, which seems like a huge difference from 29 MPH when riding. It feels like 38 MPH is at the threshold of the stability of the Dingo. Not sure I would want to go any faster on this unit. I noticed very little difference in the torque from a start. The RPM's are lower at cruise also which is nice.
I'm going to do some mods. to the airbox, air cleaner, and exhaust, and that should get me the the little bit of extra power to pull this smaller sprocker. That's just extra because it's really just fine the way it is.
Bottom line: It's a cheap ($25), quick, easy mod you can do to the Dingo 150 (KZM-150) to get about 25% more top end speed out of it.
I was going to sell it (I even have a buyer for it for what I have in it) but now it's a keeper.
Posted by: Prezzz
I agree Mike. And I'm still a far cry from the advertised speed. But, 38 is plenty fast. Any faster than that, then you looking at needing to balance the tires and all that because they are spinning so much faster.
Posted by: Prezzz
Yeah, increaseing the engine power generally will not result in a faster top speed. It will get you there quicker.
Sort of like a boat and outboard engines. If you have a Bass Boat with a Mercury 150 on it, and it has a top speed of 70 MPH, adding another Mercury 150 to it will sure get you out of the hole quicker, but your top speed will still be only approx. 70 MPH because you are limited to the propeller RPMS and that hasn't changed. You just added another one to it.
Posted by: teej6
I have been seriously considering getting a 150 Falcon for my daughter because her legs are too long for the 110 and she is uncomfortable riding it.
Now you say that they calculate the top speeds for all Kazumas wrong. I bought a 110cc 10 months ago for my son from Raceway. Raceways web description states a top speed of 40mph. My Kawasaki has a speedometer. We were riding together on a flat trail and my daughter was right on my tail. Looking down my speedometer was exactly reading 40mph. So I guess you are going to tell me that Kawasaki has my bike configured wrong, or that Raceways ad is correct?
Anyway, now I don't know what to get for my daughter. I would jump at the new Falcon 200, but it has a squeeze clutch and she won't like that. She rides my wife's Recon 250 great. I can't afford another Honda right now and we haven't had any problems with my son's Kazuma. My daughter is almost 13 but I don't want anything over a 250cc for her. Any suggestions on what to look now for her?
Thanks, Teej
Posted by: Ratracer
I have a Kazuma 150 for my wife. She's about 5'7" and 135 pounds. It works great for her. She's not a really wild rider so all the posts about speed don't bother us at all. When I ride it wide opened it seems fast enough to break some bones! Most important, I haven't had any problems with it. By the way, I did by the spacers to widen the stance front and back.
Posted by: Ratracer
I've put spacers on all four of our ATV's. It was kind of funny, my wife was showing the girls what not to do on the 150 and rolled it the first day. My 5 year old daughter immediately copied my wife. At that point I decidecd to get spacers for all. It really helps the stability and kind of as a hidden bonus, makes them look cooler which is what my 9 year old thinks is most important!
Posted by: Sid123
ratracer, I've read alot of entries on the spacers you wrote about. I was wondering if I should install them on the two atv's I bought for my two sons. I purchased a meercat 50 and a mini falcon 90. They seem to be fairly stabil to me but I was just wanting to get a little feed back if anyone has had trouble with stability because I want to take any precautions I can to avoid injuries. Do you know if it is a common thing for these models to roll over easily.
