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Posted by: Kirk_D4
I don't own a diesel, besides my tractor, but my neighbor, owns and operates a diesel injector and pump repair shop. I posed the question to him on Ford, Chevy, or Dodge.... His response was, DODGE.....
He said the powerstrokes (International Harvester) are wonderful, but when something does go wrong, you are out a bunch of money on repairs, said electronic injectors and controls are very expensive for parts and labor. Said the Duramax is just kinda so so, had a lot of problems early on, but seem to be getting them worked out. Said Dodge (Cummins) really have there stuff together on a dependable motor and drivetrain setup. Also said the older Ford with the 6.9, and the newer 7.3 and 7.3 turbo motors are much better longtivity wise than the new powerstroke.
Also don't forget about farm diesel. A lot of people run it here. Much cheaper.....About 1.50 a gallon here. The only place people get busted here for running farm diesel is at the cattle sale barn. It isn't a pretty fine when caught though.
Kirk
Posted by: jaybeecon55
If you are hauling a load, you'll get close to twice the MPG's with diesel as you will gas. It's all about the torque. I pull 5 - 6 ATV's on a flatbed with a chevy 8.1L. Runs 340 HP and 460 lb/ft of torque. Power is no problem although it will downshift on many interstate hills. Milage at 65 to 70 is a dismal 7.5 or so. Even though I love the truck, I'll probably go for an '06 Duramax within the year. From what I can tell, the same truck and load with the diesel will get me 12 to 14 MPG under tha same conditions.
D-max puts out 300 HP and over 600 lb/ft of torque.
Jaybee
Posted by: jaybeecon55
I really have to agree with Black and Red on on the 5K diesel cost, it's basically just a cash flow cost. In crunching numbers, I ran my '02 8.1L through the NADA book. If I substituted my gas 8.1 for the 6.6 Dmax, NADA value went up by $4,600. At the time I got my '02, going to the diesel over the 8.1 would have cost me an extra $3,800.
I also ran the fuel numbers figuring on non-trailering miles: At my usual 20,000 miles per year and figuring my usual 9.5 MPG for the 8.1 and assuming 16 MPG for the Dmax, I came up with a fuel savings of just under $1,600 per year. Over the five years that I usually keep my trucks, that adds up to eight grand. And I'll still get the diesel engine cost back when I trade again. This was pricing gas at $2 and diesel fuel at $2.10.
Still hate the diesel smell though.
Jaybee
Posted by: LTZ
I have an 04 Diesel and an 04 SUV and the diesel is less than a $100 dollars more per 6 months. I get 18 MPG on the freeway 15 in the city and 11-12 towing @75MPH. My freeway miles are usually at 75-80MPH. Put 200,000+ miles on the diesel and it'll still be going strong, the gasser might make it to 100k. Trust me get the diesel........
Posted by: LTZ
100k miles on a gas motor with alot of towing is gonna hurt it way more than a diesel. There's a reason why gas motors only get 36k mile warranties and a diesel gets 100k. Yes some gas motors will get a 70k mile warranty but I don't believe any of the trucks get that. Buy two trucks for say $40k, 1 diesel and 1 gas. Put 150k miles on them and then check the resale value. I'll bet nine out of ten times you will get roughly $7k more for the diesel that only cost you about $5k more then the gasser to start with. 50k miles on a diesel is considered barely broken in, 50k on a gasser and you would have a hard time selling it, at least to me..........
Posted by: LTZ
Bombest, If you're near the Santa Clarita area you're more then welcome to stop by and check out my truck, 04 Dodge 2500HD HO 4x4 Laramie CC. It looks stock but it's got a little something for those pesky MustangsThis way you can take a good long look and ask ???'s. Heck I may even hook the trailer up and let you see how it tows..............
Posted by: LTZ
I was wondering what the outcome was. The Ford will do you just fine, glad you're happy with it and glad to see you bought the diesel! Happy motoring!!!
Posted by: lbc
Whatever you do if you are hauling a load GET DIESEL. It is all about the torque. We have a 2001 3500 Dodge Cummins 6 speed manuel. With all the mods we have done chip, air box/filter, 5" exhaust all the way front to back etc... we are at somewhere around 610-630 FT LBS of torque. Also if you don't want to worry about transmission issues get a manuel unless it is an Allison automatic.
Posted by: lbc
Apparently my husband corrected me on our torque it is closer to 700ft/lbs with all our modifications. Gotta love it! Cummins all the way
Posted by: lbc
Yeah but when you consider the fact that the Cummins is governed so heavily from factory then putting all your mods in, yes, does cancel your warrenty but the engine can handle it and if you have a 6 speed manuel transmission like we do then your tranny can handle it too. So I personally would not worry about my warrenty being deleted at that point.
Posted by: lbc
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Originally posted by: Kirk_D4
I don't own a diesel, besides my tractor, but my neighbor, owns and operates a diesel injector and pump repair shop. I posed the question to him on Ford, Chevy, or Dodge.... His response was, DODGE.....
He said the powerstrokes (International Harvester) are wonderful, but when something does go wrong, you are out a bunch of money on repairs, said electronic injectors and controls are very expensive for parts and labor. Said the Duramax is just kinda so so, had a lot of problems early on, but seem to be getting them worked out. Said Dodge (Cummins) really have there stuff together on a dependable motor and drivetrain setup. Also said the older Ford with the 6.9, and the newer 7.3 and 7.3 turbo motors are much better longtivity wise than the new powerstroke.
Also don't forget about farm diesel. A lot of people run it here. Much cheaper.....About 1.50 a gallon here. The only place people get busted here for running farm diesel is at the cattle sale barn. It isn't a pretty fine when caught though.
Kirk
We live in Washington State. Where can you purchase "farm" diesel and is it the same grade as what you would get at a service station?
Posted by: BlackandRedWarrior
All of the diesels are pretty much in the same neighborhood power wise. Figure 300+HP and 600 lb/ft of torque. For towing, Ford is the current King of the Hill. They offer a really nice package in the Tow Boss package. Including an available factory brake controller that's tied in directly with the trucks brake system, including ABS.
I think the most sought after truck right now would be a Cummins ISB (Dodge) backed by an Allison 1000 (GM) in a Ford SD Chassis.
Watch your weights and get the right truck for your needs. In other words, don't buy an F-250 to pull a 39' double slide 5th wheel toy hauler. That's an F-450 or 550 class.
MY friend pulls a 5er that's rated at 14K GVWR with a 350 SRW CC LB V10. He's getting about 6MPG Fresno to Pismo. He's already chipped it. Looking to put a supercharger and/or new gears. (It needs to be regeared down to like a 4.30:1 or below). He pulls Cuesta Grade around like 35MPH in 2nd.
Diesels have always been known for being fuel sippers. Now with all the turbo charging going on, they are getting MUCH cleaner (and MUCH more power). Although, yes, I like Ford's, I would say take a look at all of the trucks. Take several of each one out for a test drive and make your decision on what you like and what works for you.
If you can swing the extra 5K up front or over payments, its worth the investment. The resale value is pretty much the same different as new. i.e. you get an extra 5K for a diesel. They are worth gold right now because of fuel prices.
Posted by: BlackandRedWarrior
Just remember, the truck dealer will tell you the truck will pull anything.
The RV dealer will tell you that your truck can pull "Anything on the lot."
Get everything weighed up. Search around here or on rv.net in the forums for more info on weights.
Posted by: BlackandRedWarrior
The thing with the diesels, is you get that $5K back on the back side (same is true for 4x4 as well). With fuel prices like they are now (anyone think they are going to go down much?), try selling a big gas motor in 3-5 years. The diesel will be "name the price." You roll that $5K over to your next diesel.
Posted by: BlackandRedWarrior
Congrats on the new truck.
Posted by: BlackandRedWarrior
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Originally posted by: lbc
We live in Washington State. Where can you purchase "farm" diesel and is it the same grade as what you would get at a service station?
You don't want to open that can of worms by running it on the road. It's for off-road use only (construction & farm equipment.)
Red Diesel has a red dye added that takes forever to dilute out and go away. By purchasing red diesel you consent to suprise audits and inspections by your state tax collector (Franchise Tax Board in CA) and the IRS.
It's been a while since I read on this, but IIRC, if you get caught it's a $7,500 state fine + $7,500 federal fine for tax evasion. Plus they audit you back for 7 years and you better be able to prove you paid all of your fuel taxes. Subsequent convictions are double, tripple, etc.
Now, if you do want to use it for off-road use, contact your local oil or fuel distributor. Ask them for red diesel. You'll have to pick it up, or get it delivered. We get it delivered and take 110+ gallons at a shot. We keep (3) 55g barrels. I don't know about WA, but I think the fuel taxes are comperable, if not higher, than CA. Expect to save at least 36 cents per gallon in federal excise taxes and state road taxes. The fuel is still subject to normal sales tax.
Posted by: MacV700
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Originally posted by: BlackandRedWarrior
All of the diesels are pretty much in the same neighborhood power wise. Figure 300+HP and 600 lb/ft of torque. For towing, Ford is the current King of the Hill. They offer a really nice package in the Tow Boss package. Including an available factory brake controller that's tied in directly with the trucks brake system, including ABS.
I think the most sought after truck right now would be a Cummins ISB (Dodge) backed by an Allison 1000 (GM) in a Ford SD Chassis.
Watch your weights and get the right truck for your needs. In other words, don't buy an F-250 to pull a 39' double slide 5th wheel toy hauler. That's an F-450 or 550 class.
MY friend pulls a 5er that's rated at 14K GVWR with a 350 SRW CC LB V10. He's getting about 6MPG Fresno to Pismo. He's already chipped it. Looking to put a supercharger and/or new gears. (It needs to be regeared down to like a 4.30:1 or below). He pulls Cuesta Grade around like 35MPH in 2nd.
Diesels have always been known for being fuel sippers. Now with all the turbo charging going on, they are getting MUCH cleaner (and MUCH more power). Although, yes, I like Ford's, I would say take a look at all of the trucks. Take several of each one out for a test drive and make your decision on what you like and what works for you.
If you can swing the extra 5K up front or over payments, its worth the investment. The resale value is pretty much the same different as new. i.e. you get an extra 5K for a diesel. They are worth gold right now because of fuel prices.
While agree with most of your comments, the King Of The Road comment is a little disturbing. Ford has 570 lb ft and the new Dodge has 610 lb ft of torque and the Dodge makes it a a slightly lower RPM. As far as the "Big 3", the Dodge Cummins is the most reliable and the average life is 350,000 miles compared to 250 for the Ford and Chevy. The new 6.0 Powerstroke has had a lot of problems and the Duramax has seemed to rectify their injector problems with the new '05. I drive cross country all the time and the West Coasters love the SuperDuty because it looks sweet lifted, but go to Texas where the ranchers tow horses for a living and you see a lot more Dodge's then anything else.
I know it may seem like I am a Dodge fan but actually I have owned Chevy's all my life and consider myself a Chevy Man.
Just my 2 cents.
Posted by: Scooter86
If you can afford it, go diesel. Personally, it is hard to crunch numbers and come up with accurate long term cost benefits of one over the other. Fuel prices change to drastically over the course of a year. Home heating oil use drives up the price of diesel in the winter months, it got as much as $.40/gallon>than 87 octane in NY this winter. Traditionally though diesel is cheaper in the summer months when most people are traveling/towing. Oil change intervals are longer, but you have to spring for 15 quarts or so. Most other routine maintenance on diesels is more expensive also, i.e. air and fuel filters. The bottom line in my eyes is that modern diesels pull better than gassers due to the low end torque. They handle higher elevations better due to standard turbo charging. All the while you will get somewhat better mileage.
I also have to LOL @ LTZevil400. If someone can't get at LEAST 150,000 miles out of a modern day gas engine, maybe they should just stick to riding a bicycle. Most of these engines are capable of many more miles than that if properly cared for.
Posted by: Trasher
I would guess about double with a oil burner. It will cost more in the begining but I'm sure you will be happier with the choice of Diesel over gas.
Posted by: Trasher
exhaust and air cleaner mods are great but I have reservations about doing all the other mods if they aren't really needed. I mean by that, if you aren't towing 40' trailers around and just dragging a smaller, lighter load, why possible sacrifice reliability.
Posted by: Trasher
Great question. Never thought of it. I'm kinda, sorta, into and around that business so I will ask on Monday and let you know.
Posted by: rescuediver
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Originally posted by: bombest
This might be a stupid question.... does owning a disesel engine vs a gas have have any affect on Auto Insurance Rates?
The insurance on my PSD is about $100 less, then our '03 SUVThe agent was worried more about me using it for business, then pleasure.
I agree with what's being said about the diesel's over gasI have a few mods on my 7.3 and my fuel mileage fluctuates. It depends on how much I want to stand on the pedalfor the most part, I avg. 15 mpg around town and 20 on the highway. I have gotten as good as 22 on the highway. When I am towing, I get 15 mpg@65 mph. Compare these number to my Chevy 5.3, around town and on the highway, I was getting around the same. But towing I saw the biggest difference, I went from seeing 10 mpg with the gas, to 15 mpg with the diesel and on top of that, I had plenty of power and torque to passon a gradeif I wanted too
As B&R mentioned before about himself, I too, am a Ford manBut take a look at all 3 trucksThe manufactors are pushing each otherwhich is good for the consumerIf your looking for a standard cab, look at all 3. If your looking for a Crew Cab, Ford and Chevy IMHO are bigger then Dodges. To me, they (Dodges) CC are not much bigger then the extended cabs on Chevy and Ford.
Good Luck
Posted by: DSengineer
While the latest generation of diesels are putting out some impressive power numbers, they are not getting the same type of mileage that previous generation desiels were so well known for. Check out some of the diesel forums and see what kind of mileage others are getting. When you figure in the current price of diesel compared to 87 octane gas and the 5K premium for the diesel motor it will take in excess of 100K miles or more before you ever start saving a dime. Basic oil change service will also cost about 3x with the diesel compared to a gas motor. Yes the Chevy 8.1 is a gas pig but another alternative is the Ford V10 for 2005. It definately gets better mileage than the Chevy 8.1 and its 360HP/ 450TQ numbers were increased this year due to its new 3 valve design. It is also now available with the same 5 speed auto they stick behind the diesel. Just another option.
www.thedieselstop.com
www.thedieselplace.com
Posted by: oldturtle
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Originally posted by: DSengineer
When you figure in the current price of diesel compared to 87 octane gas and the 5K premium for the diesel motor it will take in excess of 100K miles or more before you ever start saving a dime.
You also need to look at longevity of diesel engine. With proper maintenance the diesel can run 500K. My 1994 Dodge has 250K and does not need any oil between changes at 5000 miles. This is my second diesel after an 86 Ford. I will never go back to gasoline.
I also love the convenience of the diesel with much greater fuel range and very simple maintenance.
Posted by: KURTY
Always a tough decision "gas or diesel?"
I purchased new 04 E350 with a V10. I get 12-12.50 just running around and 7.5
with 18ft enclosed trailer. The best highway I have got so far has been 14.75.
That`s with 3.73 gears. Gearing is very important. I have customers with the new
ford 6.0 diesel. One gets 10mpg all the time, with or with out horse trailer.
But he has 4.30 gearing. That`s why I didn`t order my van it with the 4.10 gears.
That would have dropped me 1.5-2.0 mpg. (Its all about RPMS)
The higher the RPMS at 70mph, the more fuel the engine will want.
I normaly have to pull trailer out of overdrive.
Yes when i`m pulling a trailer I think the diesel would be nice, just for 2-3mpg more,
but I`m not pulling everyday. I`m very happy with the V10 (plenty of power)
Like others have already said, the newer diesels have more power, but less mpgs.
I have also read on other forums by ford mechanics, the V10`s have very few problems.
Just my thoughts.
P.S. I have nothing against diesels (own 3 straight trucks & a tractor with them)
I`ll maybe try one in my van someday.
Posted by: bombest
I have a bunch of toys to haul and plan to get toy hauler in the near future. I'm in the market for a new Truck and I've got a question. What is the gas mileage difference between gas and diesel?
Posted by: bombest
Wow! Those numbers say a lot with regards to gas mileage. So its all in the tourge! Im kinda Ford guy just because my truck now has been a flawless realationship. Does Ford make a good disel truck with similar torque like the Duramax?
Posted by: bombest
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Originally posted by: BlackandRedWarrior
All of the diesels are pretty much in the same neighborhood power wise. Figure 300+HP and 600 lb/ft of torque. For towing, Ford is the current King of the Hill. They offer a really nice package in the Tow Boss package. Including an available factory brake controller that's tied in directly with the trucks brake system, including ABS.I think the most sought after truck right now would be a Cummins ISB (Dodge) backed by an Allison 1000 (GM) in a Ford SD Chassis.Watch your weights and get the right truck for your needs. In other words, don't buy an F-250 to pull a 39' double slide 5th wheel toy hauler. That's an F-450 or 550 class.MY friend pulls a 5er that's rated at 14K GVWR with a 350 SRW CC LB V10. He's getting about 6MPG Fresno to Pismo. He's already chipped it. Looking to put a supercharger and/or new gears. (It needs to be regeared down to like a 4.30:1 or below). He pulls Cuesta Grade around like 35MPH in 2nd.Diesels have always been known for being fuel sippers. Now with all the turbo charging going on, they are getting MUCH cleaner (and MUCH more power). Although, yes, I like Ford's, I would say take a look at all of the trucks. Take several of each one out for a test drive and make your decision on what you like and what works for you.If you can swing the extra 5K up front or over payments, its worth the investment. The resale value is pretty much the same different as new. i.e. you get an extra 5K for a diesel. They are worth gold right now because of fuel prices.
Very well said. I guess I have to actually test drive a few and see what works the best. I wanted to drop this thread because I knew that people like you have an honest opinon on them and have run different types of trucks under some extreeme loads. The dealers will only tell you what you want to hear. Thanks for you input this really helps.
Posted by: bombest
I've noticed the diesel fuel to be a bit more per gallon but if your getting that much better gas mileage and the ability to pull almost whatever you want then hell its worth it.
Would it be worth it to invest in a new exhaust system or any other mods?
Posted by: bombest
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Originally posted by: DSengineer
While the latest generation of diesels are putting out some impressive power numbers, they are not getting the same type of mileage that previous generation desiels were so well known for. Check out some of the diesel forums and see what kind of mileage others are getting. When you figure in the current price of diesel compared to 87 octane gas and the 5K premium for the diesel motor it will take in excess of 100K miles or more before you ever start saving a dime. Basic oil change service will also cost about 3x with the diesel compared to a gas motor. Yes the Chevy 8.1 is a gas pig but another alternative is the Ford V10 for 2005. It definately gets better mileage than the Chevy 8.1 and its 360HP/ 450TQ numbers were increased this year due to its new 3 valve design. It is also now available with the same 5 speed auto they stick behind the diesel. Just another option.www.thedieselstop.comwww.thedieselplace.com
See this is what im talking about. These forums are great. Honest opinions and very good points. Thanks for the info. I am gonna check out the two sites you listed and do more homework. I never thought about the basic oil change.... hmmm.
Posted by: bombest
This might be a stupid question.... does owning a disesel engine vs a gas have have any affect on Auto Insurance Rates?
Posted by: bombest
Very Cool Guys! With all this valuable informaiton this really helps me understand what im getting into. I know have a better understanding of the gas mileage, insurance and personal preferences. Thank you all for you honest help. Now I have to do my part and walk into a bunch of dealers and check them out for myself.
Thanks Again!
Posted by: bombest
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Originally posted by: LTZevil400
Bombest, If you're near the Santa Clarita area you're more then welcome to stop by and check out my truck, 04 Dodge 2500HD HO 4x4 Laramie CC. It looks stock but it's got a little something for those pesky MustangsThis way you can take a good long look and ask ???'s. Heck I may even hook the trailer up and let you see how it tows..............
That would be outstanding! Im not very far from Santa Clarita. Next time Im planning to head that way I will hook up with you. I will send you a private message a couple of days before.
Very Cool.
I tell you... there are some nice people still left in this world!
Posted by: bombest
Finally! It's been some time but I finally broke down and bought my diesel truck. I decided to get the 2004 Ford 250 Turbo Diesel Lariat. I've had the truck for about a month now and LOVE IT! This rig pulled the trailer up the grapvine like it was nothing. The gas mileage is running about 17-19 miles per gallon on the highway. With a full load and pulling the grapevine it ran at about 13-14 miles per gallon.
I know we have dodge and chevy fans that might not be happy with my choice but I've always owned Fords and they have been very faithful to me.
Thanks for all your comments and suggestions!
Posted by: lector
It all depends on how much you use it. The 3 rd gen cummins get no where near the 1 st or 2nds generations did in fuel, This is due to emmisions. I have a 2004.5 with 22k on it . I average 13-14 in town 4x4,4.10s 8300 lbs all the time, this is unloaded. Hwy at 65 mph i get 19. 12 k behind me 12 mpg. Each manufacturer makes good rigs, i choose dodge because i had a 2 nd gen that was great. They have all the power you want or need- stock. Once you start adding mods/boxes, you become your' own warranty., and at a cost of 12-15k for replacing an engine. I figured it would take 6 years to = out the upfront price of the diesel, but now at the cost of diesel, it's further away. You need to decide how often and heavy you will tow and then make a decission for the cost offset. If you tow rarely, and well under 8k, you can buy alot of regular gas cheaper than a new diesel engine.
Posted by: jayri
I pull just fine with my gas motor, however, I sometimes wish I had a diesel. I pull some serious weight with my truck and once you get it up to speed it pulls fine , but it is a little sluggish off the line with weight on it.
Posted by: RTOYZ
I would have to agree on going to diesel. The one I don't agree with is the ford. The Dodge is #1 in most peoples books with the Cummins. My wife wanted a ford f350 and long story short. after about 2hrs with the General Manager and Reliability being talked about a dozen times, He told us to go buy a Dodge, Look at the motors in the big rigs, all inline 6, as is the cummins,More power and torqe and 30% less moving parts.Look at the size of the rods compared to ford or chevy,No cavatation,no glow plugs the cummins is set up just like a simi.Just my 2 cents.
Posted by: BKrukow
I have always been a Chevy man but I am on my 2nd Dodge Cummins. My first was a 98 that I bought used. treated me great and towed great. My wife and I wanted more room and I wanted a manual tranie so I bought the truck in my sig. So far I love it. More power than I know what to do with. My 98 had 215 horse and 460 ft/lbs of tourque. My new one is 325 horse and 600 ft/lbs of torque. The fun part is if you dont care abought warrenty or have a BOMB(diesel mod) freindly dealer you can buy a fueling box of your choise for well under a grand that will give you anywhere from an extra 25 horse and 100 ft/lbs all the way up to as high as 200+ horse and 400+ft/lbs of torque over stock. Fuel milage is far better than anyone I know pulling with a gasser. Personaly I dont like Fords. I do however respect the older 7.3 powerstrokes. A lot of people had them for a lot of years but Ford thought it was necisary to replace the 7.3 with a new 6.0 powerstroke in 03. If you go to the Ford site listed previously you will see that they had nothing but problems with them for the first year or two. They had to buy back more than 500 of the 03 and 04 model year trucks with the new 6.0. They hopefully have the bugs worked out buy now but I would stilltake an old 7.3 over the new 6.0 if I where forced to drive a Ford. I like the duramaxes a lot but like the new Ford diesel they are new and have only been out a few years. I realy like the GMC trucks but I want to wait till I feel comfertable with the new Duramax before buying one. That is why I drive a Dodge. I am not the biggest fan of Dodge but I trust and understand how the Cummins works. It is the same desighn as whenit was introduced in 1989 in the trucks. It has just been revamped a few times along the way to accomodate emision standerd changes and the need for more power to stay on top of the hill. As far as everyone telling you that it cost so much more to service them than a gas I would have to argue that one strongly. When ever I had a gasser I always ran mobile 1 in them. I realize this is considerably more costly thatn the cheap standard oil but I figured it was worht the extra protection. It typacly ran me $35 dollars for a service doing it myself. Now on my Cummins I run either the Mopar diesel oil or Shell Rotela F. It costs me $35 dollars to service it myself when I do just the oil and a little more with the air fillter but so did the gasser. On top of that I had to change my oil on the gassers every 3000 miles. On my new Cummins the extream duty servise interval is 7500 miles. The lite duty interval is every 150000 miles. These new Cummins are super easy on oil. My Cummins holds 15 quarts and I think they are all close to that. I dont work mine real hard but I still stick to the 7500 mile scedual. So if you think abought it, it is acualy cheaper for me to servise the diesel than my old gassers. Now if you are not going to be doing it yourself then you are at the mersy of what ever price you can get it done for. Insurance is a little more but I never checked into how much more.
For a lot of great reading conserning the Dodge and the Cummins check out DieselTruckResource.com
Posted by: GG450
How often do you plan on needing all the grunt of a diesel? Once a week, Once a day ? or Once a month?
I make a living working on diesel rigs. I own a dodge W/ Diesel 1993. I average about 19 or 20 MPG city or freeway. I would recommend that you think twice about purchasing a diesel if you can't keep it loaded and working all the time. 4 to 5 K more on purchase, I know everyone says that resale is 4 to 5 K more, but if you want to just tie-up 5 K for 6 to 7 years give me a call! I will collect the interest for you.
Posted by: desertmule
GO DIESEL....i have an 04 excursion w/6.0l powerstroke,edge juice w/ attitude(chip),and a 4" MBRP exhaust...this truck pulls my 30' weekend warrior w/ NO problem..i pull up hills ALL the time w/ no problem..Vegas is in a valley...at least 6% grade any way you go...you won't regret it..
