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well, our big atv club poker ride is this weekend. 1st prize is a NEW Honda 350 4x4 quad. 2nd prize is a 2-seater Daizon dune buggy. i should be there, but i'm not. so..., went out and bought an 11', 1994 Caribou camper yesterday. it was a smokin deal that i couldn't resist. lookin for an enclosed toy-hauler trailer to tow behind it. might ditch the trailer and quad deck.

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BTW, you should see my battery set-up...D-8 Cat battery!! this thing is HUGE!!

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Though I'm completely suprised they got Tioga Rd (eastern route into Yosemite from Lee Vining (US-395)) open already. I figured it wouldn't be open until the beginning of July. Though they may have just opened it up.

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Posted by: confusedbuyer

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Around here, if your near .08 your going to be charged. They will bring up your FST (field sobriety test) and time frame, from when yoiu take your chosen test. If that puts you over .08They will take it to trial. Unless you plead it out for a lessor charge. We've had way to many DUI accidents and DUI accidents with deathshr>

your DUI defence lawyers must be pretty awful if they can't create reasonable doubt within .01 of a reading. do you ever charge UNDER .08 (if it's close?). do you ever get convictions on readings of .08 or .09? FSTs are NOT admissable here as evidence of impairment, BUT, they can be administered and entered as evidence to prove there were probable grounds to demand a sample.

All of North America has the same alcohol-related accident and death problems. The biggest tragedy is those are the toughest to get conviction on because police have difficulty establishing TIME, and DRIVER, plus the scene is usually chaos, which creates more opportunity for errors= aquittal or no charge at all. BUT, in a road block (of which we have many), they're prepared and waiting for DUIs. They can easily establish time, driver and perfect most of the pi$$y little details that are used to set guilty people free. SO like OFC said, a guy who hasn't really screwed up gets crucified, yet a person who destroys the lives of others walks. whadda rotten system.

and of course, the system is even better if you have a "get out of jail free card" (badge). In those cases there's NEVER a conviction cuz there's never a charge. a few years ago a city cop was smashed drunk to the point he's acting irrationally in a drive-thru. he gets picked up and driven home (like i'd ever get that lucky). afterwards, he goes back to get his veh., tries to drive home and gives his car a haircut on a parked flatdeck semi-trailer, and kills himself. Toxicology showed him somewhere between 2-3 times legal limit. Membership has it's privileges eh Md!

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Why do you call it your princess resort? Don't you separate your transvestitessp]hr>

don't they all become Princesses after a long enuf period of incarceration? oh, i forgot, one's the mommy and one's the daddy. As the joke goes, which one would you rather be? Oh, the daddy? Alright, then why don't you get over here and suck mommy's......

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Posted by: confusedbuyer

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Are you sure you can go from a big trailer to a 11' Cab over with the familyhat's a big step downhr>

WHAT!! you been talking to my wife?! we're wondering the same thing. the room in a trailer just can't be beat. BUT, there's not enough room to haul all those toys on the quad deck (as the kids get into bigger quads). the combined room of the cargo trailer with a camper just might work. I went to look at a "toy hauler". basically, it's an 1987 22' travel trailer that's been gutted with a bed up front and all the appliances gone. it's got a cabinet built in that would make a great work bench and storage. it's still got room for another bed or possibly table. actually needs more toy room. lotsa windows too. and an ugly awning. so it'd be kinda practical for both sleep and hauling stuff.

but it looks really rough and extremely ugly. It's longer than i want it to be. it's not a proper toy hauler. the axles seem kinda goofy with no lugs. instead, you put bolts thru and onto drums. I'm really curious whether it would be lighter than a 16' enclosed Wells Cargo or Interstate type trailer. LAstly, the price is 1/2 of a cargo trailer, but it might be tough too sell later.

Ohhhhh, what do I do???

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Posted by: BlackandRedWarrior

I don't think there's much of a "Brass Pass" on DUIs in Cali. Or at least that I've ever heard of. Speeding or other "piddly" things, yes.

Not even the DA (prosecuter) is immune. They pulled his car out of a pool one time. LOL. He had a bit of a problem. I think he had 2 DUIs during his career.

If you refuse a FST you immediately loose your license. Right there the office yanks it. It's one of the little things you agree to when you sign the DL44 (Driver's Lic. application.)

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Posted by: OneFlyCowboy

Confuscious. I would go with the Cargo trailer and get the kids Cots... Then you and the misses have your own space and the kids have their space. Camper and cargo. thats the ticket man. I gotta say i ran into a couple crazy canadians. There is one feller from your area that rides a kodiak 450 and thinks he can whoop up on my. I laughed at him as did everyone else. and said dude you smoke a lil to much of that BC Bud your concept of Speed is a lil altered

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I don't think there's much of a "Brass Pass" on DUIs in Cali. Or at least that I've ever heard of. Speeding or other "piddly" things, yes.

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c'mon man, don't kid yourself. i suppose if the arresting officers didn't know the culprit...MAYBE. but if they're from the same police force, or detachment, it's a free ride.

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Posted by: OneFlyCowboy

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If you refuse a FST you immediately loose your license. Right there the office yanks it. It's one of the little things you agree to when you sign the DL44 (Driver's Lic. application.)

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Thats where ya'll differ from washington. FST's are Voluntary and any attorney will tell you to not do them and just go for the certified breathalyzer at the station. make em take you downtown... If you refuse the test at the station you loose your liscense...

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Posted by: rescuediver

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Around here, if your near .08 your going to be charged. They will bring up your FST (field sobriety test) and time frame, from when yoiu take your chosen test. If that puts you over .08They will take it to trial. Unless you plead it out for a lessor charge. We've had way to many DUI accidents and DUI accidents with deathshr>

your DUI defence lawyers must be pretty awful if they can't create reasonable doubt within .01 of a reading. do you ever charge UNDER .08 (if it's close?). do you ever get convictions on readings of .08 or .09? FSTs are NOT admissable here as evidence of impairment, BUT, they can be administered and entered as evidence to prove there were probable grounds to demand a sample.

All of North America has the same alcohol-related accident and death problems. The biggest tragedy is those are the toughest to get conviction on because police have difficulty establishing TIME, and DRIVER, plus the scene is usually chaos, which creates more opportunity for errors= aquittal or no charge at all. BUT, in a road block (of which we have many), they're prepared and waiting for DUIs. They can easily establish time, driver and perfect most of the pi$$y little details that are used to set guilty people free. SO like OFC said, a guy who hasn't really screwed up gets crucified, yet a person who destroys the lives of others walks. whadda rotten system.

and of course, the system is even better if you have a "get out of jail free card" (badge). In those cases there's NEVER a conviction cuz there's never a charge. a few years ago a city cop was smashed drunk to the point he's acting irrationally in a drive-thru. he gets picked up and driven home (like i'd ever get that lucky). afterwards, he goes back to get his veh., tries to drive home and gives his car a haircut on a parked flatdeck semi-trailer, and kills himself. Toxicology showed him somewhere between 2-3 times legal limit. Membership has it's privileges eh Md!

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Not around hereWe've had our share of officers and couple times, capts. get convictedThe "get out of jail free card" around here. Even fireman try it. right now, we have 2 firemen waiting trial on DUI cases.

I give the convictions we getto aggressive prosecutors and experts. When the blood/breathe test is given, that starts your time line. From there, you can go backwards to when initial contact was made. Then, you can use "burn off rate" to help establish a higher BA. Based on your breath/urine test. We aslo have aggressive defense attornies too. So, if you can afford to pay for your defense, then go for it. Usually, the DA won't go to trial if they can't win 80% of the time.

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Posted by: rescuediver

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Why do you call it your princess resort? Don't you separate your transvestitessp]hr>

don't they all become Princesses after a long enuf period of incarceration? oh, i forgot, one's the mommy and one's the daddy. As the joke goes, which one would you rather be? Oh, the daddy? Alright, then why don't you get over here and suck mommy's......

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LMAO!

No, I haven't heard of it referred to that beforeBut, I can see why

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Posted by: rescuediver

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I don't think there's much of a "Brass Pass" on DUIs in Cali. Or at least that I've ever heard of. Speeding or other "piddly" things, yes.

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c'mon man, don't kid yourself. i suppose if the arresting officers didn't know the culprit...MAYBE. but if they're from the same police force, or detachment, it's a free ride.

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It might be hard to believeBut, for the most part. L.E. officers are not immuneA couple years ago, there was a high ranking CHP officer in the Sacramento area that was pulled over for speeding by his OWN officer. He received a ticketSo, it's not the Mayberry times you guys are thinking of

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Posted by: rescuediver

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If you refuse a FST you immediately loose your license. Right there the office yanks it. It's one of the little things you agree to when you sign the DL44 (Driver's Lic. application.)

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Thats where ya'll differ from washington. FST's are Voluntary and any attorney will tell you to not do them and just go for the certified breathalyzer at the station. make em take you downtown... If you refuse the test at the station you loose your liscense...

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I think that is why California is more aggressive. You CAN deny to take the FST's. Remember what the field sobriety test is there for., It is to help the officer establish probable cause that you are under the influence. However, it can be to your advantageIF you feel you are not DUI. I have seen my share of people who myself or CHP thought was DUI. After doing FST's. it was determined they were not. Now, if you decide NOT to take the FST's and the officer believes there is probable cause to arrest you for DUI, then he will. Once he does that, you then can Loose Your License. If you decide to take a Blood test, you will loose your license. If you decide to take a breathe test and are above .08 then you will loose your license. If you refuse to take either test. Then you will loose your license and are presumed DUI by default.

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Posted by: confusedbuyer

on the FST, why would you want to arm the LE with evidencce of your impairment if you're drunk? i think our conviction rate is way lower. I'm guessing it's the legal systems' way of making sure they butter their fellow lawyers. our judges are all appointed to the bench and are ex-lawyers, NOT elected.

apparently CA does a much chittier job getting convictions on murder charges (see OJ) and child abuse (see MJ). but hey, they're doing a bang up job of putting people away that haven't hurt anyone (yet).

yes MD, i'm sure there are exceptions to the rule (i.e. cases where a ticket/charge IS issued to LE, instead of NO charge/ticket to fellow LEs, which i would think is more the norm than the exception). how many of the group that pummelled Rodney King went ahead with charges against their fellow officers?? we just had a similar situation here. there was a group of cops that mildly beat 2 POS low-life drug dealers. these were really low, street dealers. and one of the dumass, stupid cops rats out the group!! (at least a criminal wouldn't rat on the group, unless he was backed into a corner). the bleeding heart media had a field day with it. personally, i'm sure there were tons of folks like me that were glad they got exactly what they deserved. the criminals were made to look like poor victims, and the police made to look like villians. i wish the bleeding hearts had to walk a mile in the shoes of a cop working the low-life beat, and then see what they think.

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hey OFC, how was Canada? cold? so whaddya catch? and if it was crabs....ya got them from one of yer alley-cats

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Are you sure you can go from a big trailer to a 11' Cab over with the familyhat's a big step downhr>

WHAT!! you been talking to my wife?! we're wondering the same thing. the room in a trailer just can't be beat. BUT, there's not enough room to haul all those toys on the quad deck (as the kids get into bigger quads). the combined room of the cargo trailer with a camper just might work. I went to look at a "toy hauler". basically, it's an 1987 22' travel trailer that's been gutted with a bed up front and all the appliances gone. it's got a cabinet built in that would make a great work bench and storage. it's still got room for another bed or possibly table. actually needs more toy room. lotsa windows too. and an ugly awning. so it'd be kinda practical for both sleep and hauling stuff.

but it looks really rough and extremely ugly. It's longer than i want it to be. it's not a proper toy hauler. the axles seem kinda goofy with no lugs. instead, you put bolts thru and onto drums. I'm really curious whether it would be lighter than a 16' enclosed Wells Cargo or Interstate type trailer. LAstly, the price is 1/2 of a cargo trailer, but it might be tough too sell later.

Ohhhhh, what do I do???

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I talk to her every once in awhileEspecially seeing Hoss has been awayBR>
You just need to break down and buy an actual "toy trailer" maybe I'll suggest that next time the misses and I talk

Our camp trailer has those "goofy" bolts. You can put lug nuts on themif you really wanted too.

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Posted by: rescuediver

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on the FST, why would you want to arm the LE with evidencce of your impairment if you're drunk? i think our conviction rate is way lower. I'm guessing it's the legal systems' way of making sure they butter their fellow lawyers. our judges are all appointed to the bench and are ex-lawyers, NOT elected.

apparently CA does a much chittier job getting convictions on murder charges (see OJ) and child abuse (see MJ). but hey, they're doing a bang up job of putting people away that haven't hurt anyone (yet).

yes MD, i'm sure there are exceptions to the rule (i.e. cases where a ticket/charge IS issued to LE, instead of NO charge/ticket to fellow LEs, which i would think is more the norm than the exception). how many of the group that pummelled Rodney King went ahead with charges against their fellow officers?? we just had a similar situation here. there was a group of cops that mildly beat 2 POS low-life drug dealers. these were really low, street dealers. and one of the dumass, stupid cops rats out the group!! (at least a criminal wouldn't rat on the group, unless he was backed into a corner). the bleeding heart media had a field day with it. personally, i'm sure there were tons of folks like me that were glad they got exactly what they deserved. the criminals were made to look like poor victims, and the police made to look like villians. i wish the bleeding hearts had to walk a mile in the shoes of a cop working the low-life beat, and then see what they think.

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on the FST, why would you want to arm the LE with evidencce of your impairment if you're drunk? i think our conviction rate is way lower. I'm guessing it's the legal systems' way of making sure they butter their fellow lawyers. our judges are all appointed to the bench and are ex-lawyers, NOT elected. apparently CA does a much chittier job getting convictions on murder charges (see OJ) and child abuse (see MJ). but hey, they're doing a bang up job of putting people away that haven't hurt anyone (yet). yes MD, i'm sure there are exceptions to the rule (i.e. cases where a ticket/charge IS issued to LE, instead of NO charge/ticket to fellow LEs, which i would think is more the norm than the exception). how many of the group that pummelled Rodney King went ahead with charges against their fellow officers?? we just had a similar situation here. there was a group of cops that mildly beat 2 POS low-life drug dealers. these were really low, street dealers. and one of the dumass, stupid cops rats out the group!! (at least a criminal wouldn't rat on the group, unless he was backed into a corner). the bleeding heart media had a field day with it. personally, i'm sure there were tons of folks like me that were glad they got exactly what they deserved. the criminals were made to look like poor victims, and the police made to look like villians. i wish the bleeding hearts had to walk a mile in the shoes of a cop working the low-life beat, and then see what they think.

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Think notOur D.A.'s office got the hardest onviction there wasScott PetersonOnly and last time I say I am from the same county, as that piece of garbageSo, we are far from what you think of Ca. DA's doing a chitty job. First, you need to know how to do your job and not feel intimidated by over paid, bratty, celebrity, lawyersRodney King, give me a break, those officers did NOTHING WRONG. They were prosecuted by the mediaGates was forced to resign and 2 officers were Federally prosecuted and served 18 months in federal prison in PleasantonEver been in a fight with someone on crank? heroin? PCP? Amazing what they can tolerateI was in a fight with 7 other fellow officersThe guy did push ups with us on his backimg src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border="0"> The U.S. is in a sad state of affairs in many waysWe are going down as a societyLetting the liberal media depict what is right and what is wrongimg src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif" border="0">Who are they to know the difference. You got me going img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif" border="0">Like I said-This isn't Mayberry, we have evolved from those days. Around here, we know once the public dis-trust youYou may never get that trust back

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I have 2 cases that come to mind, where fellow officers turned in officers or deputies that were breaking the law under color of authorityBoth faced their day in court. One was aquitted, the other pled guilty. So, don't tell me we cover things up. I'm off the subject

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on the FST, why would you want to arm the LE with evidencce of your impairment if you're drunk? i think our conviction rate is way lower. I'm guessing it's the legal systems' way of making sure they butter their fellow lawyers. our judges are all appointed to the bench and are ex-lawyers, NOT elected.

apparently CA does a much chittier job getting convictions on murder charges (see OJ) and child abuse (see MJ). but hey, they're doing a bang up job of putting people away that haven't hurt anyone (yet).

yes MD, i'm sure there are exceptions to the rule (i.e. cases where a ticket/charge IS issued to LE, instead of NO charge/ticket to fellow LEs, which i would think is more the norm than the exception). how many of the group that pummelled Rodney King went ahead with charges against their fellow officers?? we just had a similar situation here. there was a group of cops that mildly beat 2 POS low-life drug dealers. these were really low, street dealers. and one of the dumass, stupid cops rats out the group!! (at least a criminal wouldn't rat on the group, unless he was backed into a corner). the bleeding heart media had a field day with it. personally, i'm sure there were tons of folks like me that were glad they got exactly what they deserved. the criminals were made to look like poor victims, and the police made to look like villians. i wish the bleeding hearts had to walk a mile in the shoes of a cop working the low-life beat, and then see what they think.

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on the FST, why would you want to arm the LE with evidencce of your impairment if you're drunk? i think our conviction rate is way lower. I'm guessing it's the legal systems' way of making sure they butter their fellow lawyers. our judges are all appointed to the bench and are ex-lawyers, NOT elected. apparently CA does a much chittier job getting convictions on murder charges (see OJ) and child abuse (see MJ). but hey, they're doing a bang up job of putting people away that haven't hurt anyone (yet). yes MD, i'm sure there are exceptions to the rule (i.e. cases where a ticket/charge IS issued to LE, instead of NO charge/ticket to fellow LEs, which i would think is more the norm than the exception). how many of the group that pummelled Rodney King went ahead with charges against their fellow officers?? we just had a similar situation here. there was a group of cops that mildly beat 2 POS low-life drug dealers. these were really low, street dealers. and one of the dumass, stupid cops rats out the group!! (at least a criminal wouldn't rat on the group, unless he was backed into a corner). the bleeding heart media had a field day with it. personally, i'm sure there were tons of folks like me that were glad they got exactly what they deserved. the criminals were made to look like poor victims, and the police made to look like villians. i wish the bleeding hearts had to walk a mile in the shoes of a cop working the low-life beat, and then see what they think.

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Think notOur D.A.'s office got the hardest onviction there wasScott PetersonOnly and last time I say I am from the same county, as that piece of garbageSo, we are far from what you think of Ca. DA's doing a chitty job. First, you need to know how to do your job and not feel intimidated by over paid, bratty, celebrity, lawyersRodney King, give me a break, those officers did NOTHING WRONG. They were prosecuted by the mediaGates was forced to resign and 2 officers were Federally prosecuted and served 18 months in federal prison in PleasantonEver been in a fight with someone on crank? heroin? PCP? Amazing what they can tolerateI was in a fight with 7 other fellow officersThe guy did push ups with us on his backimg src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border="0"> The U.S. is in a sad state of affairs in many waysWe are going down as a societyLetting the liberal media depict what is right and what is wrongimg src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif" border="0">Who are they to know the difference. You got me going img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif" border="0">Like I said-This isn't Mayberry, we have evolved from those days. Around here, we know once the public dis-trust youYou may never get that trust backhr>

I vote that as the most colorfull post evAr. !!11!!

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I vote that as the most colorfull post evAr. !!11!!

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LMFAO


Thanks LJ, I needed that

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Posted by: confusedbuyer

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I have 2 cases that come to mind, where fellow officers turned in officers or deputies that were breaking the law under color of authorityBoth faced their day in court. One was aquitted, the other pled guilty. So, don't tell me we cover things up. I'm off the subjecthr>

so for every time one turned another in, you don't think just maybe another DIDN't turn someone in (x100)? I remember several shots I took from cops for being a scrawny kid. never lipped off, or provoked it. just a case of a bully knowing he can get away with it and abusing power. what was i gonna do? take a poke back?! I may be dumb, but i'm not stupid!

well, i got ya all riled up so that's a start. not what i think at all of CA, i just had to push your buttons.You need to re-read my post cuz i was SUPPORTING law enforcement when i said our guys mildly beat the POS drug dealers (RK was close to the same i think). I think the fellow officer who ratted on them is worse than the guy they beat up. AND my comment about ...walk a mile..?? I wouldn't want to have to deal with the lowest of lowlifes in the way the system expects ya to do it. Knowing they'll face no consequence would incite me to want to mete out some of my own justice.

I thot the Peterson case was a slam dunk. where was the risk of him getting off?altho they prolly thot the same of OJ. I don't think the DA (or prosecutors) are inferior lawyers, but the system is stacked WAY against them. AND, they have a ridiculous case load (altho maybe not on the really high-profile cases). and knowing the lack of brains of SOME (not all) juries, makes me terrified to think my fate could rest with them (criminally, or civily).

as for the lib media.... yer right. remember the story of my uncle who was in an armistice day parade in WA state, after WW1 (like 1917?)?[ya, he was a stud; married my 20 y/o aunt when he was 60!] anyways, he was shot by a communist, aswell as 1-2 other soldiers. i guess the communists were kinda big back then.... i dunno the whole political climate. after my uncle died in 1981, we found some old newspaper articles describing the event. he had always told us he was shot DURING the war! anywho, the paper very matter-of-factly described the events at the parade and what ensued, with no spin, gloss or opinion. Basically, the 2 suspects were taken to the local jail. a mob scene ensued and they took the 2 suspects out of the jail (hec, everyone at the parade saw who the shooters were), CASTRATED them, and then hung them from a bridge! NOW there's good 'ol frontier justice! and the ONE article we read just reported it, never criticized or dressed it up. we never saw the rest of the ensuing newspaper articles... maybe i should try and read the old archives one day from Centralia/Chehalis newspapers. (this was actually in Doty, which is now almost a ghost-town, but they may have had their own newspaper back then). i'd be curious to see what else was said or followed up.

and none of the kids needed trauma counselling, they just learned a lesson from a real-life experience. if that same thing happened today, all those bleeding hearts would be front and center.

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Posted by: confusedbuyer

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I talk to her every once in awhileEspecially seeing Hoss has been awayBR>
You just need to break down and buy an actual "toy trailer" maybe I'll suggest that next time the misses and I talk

Our camp trailer has those "goofy" bolts. You can put lug nuts on themif you really wanted too.

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ya you stooge, you left your PSD keys on my night stand!

seriously, you have bolts for the wheels (not studs and lugs)? are they 4-bolt, or 5? any problems? are they 3500 lb axles? what year is your trailer? I'm guessing from the VIN that this one is an '87.

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Posted by: confusedbuyer

OH! wait a sec! I do have one HUGE problem with DAs and prosecutors. basically, they decide whether a charge should be laid, and taken to trial. so if some POS threatens me or my family and it's clear i defended myself, there should be no charge. I did society a favor. it is not in the best interests of anyone to follow up or charge. they need to have the cajoles to say, "this isn't a crime and we're not proceeding any further. THE END." Instead, they listen to the cries and whines of the civil libertarians who side with the poor criminal.

i.e. If you "accidentally" discharged your entire firearm into the head of Peterson, i think you should get a medal, and NO CHARGE!

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hey OFC, how was Canada? cold? so whaddya catch? and if it was crabs....ya got them from one of yer alley-cats hr>

RFLMFAO img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border="0"> That was a good oneimg src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">
How bout it FlyBoy.......got them crabs still img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border="0"> img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> hehehehehehehehe


Hey Confused,
If ya go with an enclosed trailer, I'd really consider and Quadcycle(aka snowmobile) trailer.
That's what I decided on and am glad I did.
No wheelwells on the inside sure make it easier to pack in the quads.
The front loading ramp is nice when you want to back the trailer into a spot where you can't unload from the rear.
I've had to do that a couple time and it worked out great.
The trailer sits up high enough you can build storage boxes underneath the deck, with an access door inside through the floor or even outside if you want.
Mine is a 25' Interstate. I can fit 6 full size quads in mine, nose to butt without piggy backing them, and still have the front "V" area to put other stuff.

Good Luck

Kids can always sleep in the enclosed, or as mine will want to do soon, they can sleep in a tent outside if the weather is decent.


When ya making a trip down South this way again???????????????????

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Posted by: BlackandRedWarrior

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I have 2 cases that come to mind, where fellow officers turned in officers or deputies that were breaking the law under color of authorityBoth faced their day in court. One was aquitted, the other pled guilty. So, don't tell me we cover things up. I'm off the subjecthr>

I think that's why we as a society hold LE more accountable. They should "know better."

I do think that we second guess LE a bit much. Esp. the case of that nutjob last year who took out the two officers. Used to be there was never anything other than eyewitness statements to say what happened. Now, with video, there's that, but does it really show the entire story? Ok, we can see a bunch of guys standing around someone else on the ground with nighsticks...but we have no idea what's being said.

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I thot the Peterson case was a slam dunk. where was the risk of him getting off?altho they prolly thot the same of OJ. I don't think the DA (or prosecutors) are inferior lawyers, but the system is stacked WAY against them. AND, they have a ridiculous case load (altho maybe not on the really high-profile cases). and knowing the lack of brains of SOME (not all) juries, makes me terrified to think my fate could rest with them (criminally, or civily).

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There was a ton of circumstantial evidence on Peterson and not a whole lot of direct evidence, i.e. smoking gun. It was huge on the news every day here. Amber Frei (I think that's how that twit's name is spelled) is from my area and Peterson used to sell stuff around here (coworkers "wife" knew him professionally). There was evidence that he was at the crime scene(s): his home and the S.F. Bay. His alibi was hokey (wrong kind of bait for what he was fishing for and that type of fish isn't in the area where he was fishing in the Bay), the concrete anchors for a boat nobody knew he owned and the affair with Twit.

It was actually a lot like the OJ case. Just that OJ had several million dollars at his disposal to create at least a reasonable doubt in the minds of 12 people. Actually...it only takes one, but in that case the verdict was unanimous anything else is a hung jury and results in a mistrial and re-trial. LAPD really screwed up on that case.

From what I heard Modesto PD did a pretty good job with the case.

There's a case where I live that's still pending, or at least some of it is, that was bungled. The body was released for cremation before the defense was able to examine it. I think the prime suspect's boyfriend plead out. She's still waiting trial. While her ex-husband was still alive they stuffed him into a 55 gallon drum and dumped acid on him and put the drum into a self-storage unit. Though I could be mistaken. We had 4 murder events that year in Clovis. 3 double homicides and one single. The single was the one I'm talking about. ALL of them were domestic violence type of cases. Or it might have been one less double. Freak year though.

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I have 2 cases that come to mind, where fellow officers turned in officers or deputies that were breaking the law under color of authorityBoth faced their day in court. One was aquitted, the other pled guilty. So, don't tell me we cover things up. I'm off the subjecthr>

so for every time one turned another in, you don't think just maybe another DIDN't turn someone in (x100)? I remember several shots I took from cops for being a scrawny kid. never lipped off, or provoked it. just a case of a bully knowing he can get away with it and abusing power. what was i gonna do? take a poke back?! I may be dumb, but i'm not stupid!

well, i got ya all riled up so that's a start. not what i think at all of CA, i just had to push your buttons.You need to re-read my post cuz i was SUPPORTING law enforcement when i said our guys mildly beat the POS drug dealers (RK was close to the same i think). I think the fellow officer who ratted on them is worse than the guy they beat up. AND my comment about ...walk a mile..?? I wouldn't want to have to deal with the lowest of lowlifes in the way the system expects ya to do it. Knowing they'll face no consequence would incite me to want to mete out some of my own justice.

I thot the Peterson case was a slam dunk. where was the risk of him getting off?altho they prolly thot the same of OJ. I don't think the DA (or prosecutors) are inferior lawyers, but the system is stacked WAY against them. AND, they have a ridiculous case load (altho maybe not on the really high-profile cases). and knowing the lack of brains of SOME (not all) juries, makes me terrified to think my fate could rest with them (criminally, or civily).

as for the lib media.... yer right. remember the story of my uncle who was in an armistice day parade in WA state, after WW1 (like 1917?)?[ya, he was a stud; married my 20 y/o aunt when he was 60!] anyways, he was shot by a communist, aswell as 1-2 other soldiers. i guess the communists were kinda big back then.... i dunno the whole political climate. after my uncle died in 1981, we found some old newspaper articles describing the event. he had always told us he was shot DURING the war! anywho, the paper very matter-of-factly described the events at the parade and what ensued, with no spin, gloss or opinion. Basically, the 2 suspects were taken to the local jail. a mob scene ensued and they took the 2 suspects out of the jail (hec, everyone at the parade saw who the shooters were), CASTRATED them, and then hung them from a bridge! NOW there's good 'ol frontier justice! and the ONE article we read just reported it, never criticized or dressed it up. we never saw the rest of the ensuing newspaper articles... maybe i should try and read the old archives one day from Centralia/Chehalis newspapers. (this was actually in Doty, which is now almost a ghost-town, but they may have had their own newspaper back then). i'd be curious to see what else was said or followed up.

and none of the kids needed trauma counselling, they just learned a lesson from a real-life experience. if that same thing happened today, all those bleeding hearts would be front and center.

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PUSH MY BUTTONSYOY WERE STOMPING ON MY HEADAnd then ,for the HECK OF IT, YOU gave me a SWIFT KICK in the PRECIOUS GENITILESBR>
I saw where you posted you were "supporting law enforcement"I just am a little touching on the cover -up whiningWe are not in the pre 70's era. We have evolvedNow, as a whole, there are bad apples in L.E.We try to weed them out, unfortunately we can't get them all. Now, does it happen, Sure it does. To the extent your insinuating?? I don't think so. One thing that has been taught to me since I've been around L.E. (which dates back to 1982) is NO ONE is going to pay your bills, mortgage or take care of your familywhile you do timefor covering up a fellow officer's illegal acts. I've seen to many guys loose their careers because they did stupid thingsAnd rightfully so

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I talk to her every once in awhileEspecially seeing Hoss has been awayBR>
You just need to break down and buy an actual "toy trailer" maybe I'll suggest that next time the misses and I talk

Our camp trailer has those "goofy" bolts. You can put lug nuts on themif you really wanted too.

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ya you stooge, you left your PSD keys on my night stand!

seriously, you have bolts for the wheels (not studs and lugs)? are they 4-bolt, or 5? any problems? are they 3500 lb axles? what year is your trailer? I'm guessing from the VIN that this one is an '87.

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Yea, seriouslyIt's a 5 bolt pattern, I think the axles are 3,500 lbsThe bolts get torqued to 90-95 lbsOnly down side to them is, there is no stud(s) to help mount the tire

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OH! wait a sec! I do have one HUGE problem with DAs and prosecutors. basically, they decide whether a charge should be laid, and taken to trial. so if some POS threatens me or my family and it's clear i defended myself, there should be no charge. I did society a favor. it is not in the best interests of anyone to follow up or charge. they need to have the cajoles to say, "this isn't a crime and we're not proceeding any further. THE END." Instead, they listen to the cries and whines of the civil libertarians who side with the poor criminal.

i.e. If you "accidentally" discharged your entire firearm into the head of Peterson, i think you should get a medal, and NO CHARGE!

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A lot of people would like that

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I have 2 cases that come to mind, where fellow officers turned in officers or deputies that were breaking the law under color of authorityBoth faced their day in court. One was aquitted, the other pled guilty. So, don't tell me we cover things up. I'm off the subjecthr>

I think that's why we as a society hold LE more accountable. They should "know better."

I do think that we second guess LE a bit much. Esp. the case of that nutjob last year who took out the two officers. Used to be there was never anything other than eyewitness statements to say what happened. Now, with video, there's that, but does it really show the entire story? Ok, we can see a bunch of guys standing around someone else on the ground with nighsticks...but we have no idea what's being said.

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I thot the Peterson case was a slam dunk. where was the risk of him getting off?altho they prolly thot the same of OJ. I don't think the DA (or prosecutors) are inferior lawyers, but the system is stacked WAY against them. AND, they have a ridiculous case load (altho maybe not on the really high-profile cases). and knowing the lack of brains of SOME (not all) juries, makes me terrified to think my fate could rest with them (criminally, or civily).

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There was a ton of circumstantial evidence on Peterson and not a whole lot of direct evidence, i.e. smoking gun. It was huge on the news every day here. Amber Frei (I think that's how that twit's name is spelled) is from my area and Peterson used to sell stuff around here (coworkers "wife" knew him professionally). There was evidence that he was at the crime scene(s): his home and the S.F. Bay. His alibi was hokey (wrong kind of bait for what he was fishing for and that type of fish isn't in the area where he was fishing in the Bay), the concrete anchors for a boat nobody knew he owned and the affair with Twit.

It was actually a lot like the OJ case. Just that OJ had several million dollars at his disposal to create at least a reasonable doubt in the minds of 12 people. Actually...it only takes one, but in that case the verdict was unanimous anything else is a hung jury and results in a mistrial and re-trial. LAPD really screwed up on that case.

From what I heard Modesto PD did a pretty good job with the case.

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The D.A.'s problem in the OJ's case was they had no rebuttal to why the "glove" didn't fit OJAnyone ever dry a leather glove with heat? It shrinksAnd, the D.A. failed to rebuttal that properly.

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Not that it mattersBut, just for the record it's "Frey" and I think Laci was definately better lookinghr>

LOL Too much Spinning...opened a new tab to reply to just this. LOL.

I swear...he needs to get kicked in the nads just for cheating on her. Oh well. Some guys are just @ss holes.

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I just set a goal for myself. 3 posts per day average by 7/21. I'm at 2.13 PPD right now. I've got a lot of time to make up. Been here about 855 days. Though I try to be topical and not post just to post. I'm not THAT MUCH of a whore.

It's those spinners I tell ya. They are like crack dealers!

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I just set a goal for myself. 3 posts per day average by 7/21. I'm at 2.13 PPD right now. I've got a lot of time to make up. Been here about 855 days. Though I try to be topical and not post just to post. I'm not THAT MUCH of a whore.

It's those spinners I tell ya. They are like crack dealers!

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I just set a goal for myself. 3 posts per day average by 7/21. I'm at 2.13 PPD right now. I've got a lot of time to make up. Been here about 855 days. Though I try to be topical and not post just to post. I'm not THAT MUCH of a whore.

It's those spinners I tell ya. They are like crack dealers!

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BR>Just cant find much to post about over here. lol

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I just set a goal for myself. 3 posts per day average by 7/21. I'm at 2.13 PPD right now. I've got a lot of time to make up. Been here about 855 days. Though I try to be topical and not post just to post. I'm not THAT MUCH of a whore.

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Luckily, they are all crack dealersBecause, "IF" they were usersthey would be post ho'ing at nightin between rebuilding the raptor or yfz 450hr>

Some of us dealers hit the crack in the evning too if there has been a good day of business and we moved alltta product. hell today has been ludicrous.... almost 600 posts in the "washing mochine" today

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I just set a goal for myself. 3 posts per day average by 7/21. I'm at 2.13 PPD right now. I've got a lot of time to make up. Been here about 855 days. Though I try to be topical and not post just to post. I'm not THAT MUCH of a whore.

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Luckily, they are all crack dealersBecause, "IF" they were usersthey would be post ho'ing at nightin between rebuilding the raptor or yfz 450hr>

Some of us dealers hit the crack in the evning too if there has been a good day of business and we moved alltta product. hell today has been ludicrous.... almost 600 posts in the "washing mochine" today

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You must not be rolling in the doughreal dealers don't useIf they did, they would just put the profits in their own bodyWhich is to badhr>

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You must not be rolling in the doughreal dealers don't useIf they did, they would just put the profits in their own bodyWhich is to badhr>

I only deal enough to cover my own usage hr>

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I just set a goal for myself. 3 posts per day average by 7/21. I'm at 2.13 PPD right now. I've got a lot of time to make up. Been here about 855 days. Though I try to be topical and not post just to post. I'm not THAT MUCH of a whore.
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You've got to be kiddinghr>

That doesn't seem like that high of a post ho rating though. He's just been there for a LONG time. About 3 years (1069 days assumed). At my current ho rate (50 PPD) I could get up to 11000 in 182 days or so. 6 mos and be at 1037 days. I'm sure my average wouldn't be that high, though it might. Today was well over 100 posts.

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You must not be rolling in the doughreal dealers don't useIf they did, they would just put the profits in their own bodyWhich is to badhr>

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I just set a goal for myself. 3 posts per day average by 7/21. I'm at 2.13 PPD right now. I've got a lot of time to make up. Been here about 855 days. Though I try to be topical and not post just to post. I'm not THAT MUCH of a whore.
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You've got to be kiddinghr>

That doesn't seem like that high of a post ho rating though. He's just been there for a LONG time. About 3 years (1069 days assumed). At my current ho rate (50 PPD) I could get up to 11000 in 182 days or so. 6 mos and be at 1037 days. I'm sure my average wouldn't be that high, though it might. Today was well over 100 posts.

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Yup, 3 years next month. I honestly dont post that much there either. As we have people right at 40k posts in 3 years.

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yeah thats a lil beyond what even OFC does. If im feelin creative. i can be sir posts allot. but sometimes i actually do work.

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yeah thats a lil beyond what even OFC does. If im feelin creative. i can be sir posts allot. but sometimes i actually do work.

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yeah thats a lil beyond what even OFC does. If im feelin creative. i can be sir posts allot. but sometimes i actually do work.

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awww, c'mon MD, i wasn't stomping on yer head, i was offering a difference of opinion. honestly, i do think that overall, the vast majority of LE are upstanding, honest folk....otherwise they wouldn't get into that line of work. but i do believe there are some rotten apples in the barrel. but i'll let it die, we've both spoken our minds.

the astounding thing about the OJ case to me, was : How do you find the accuseds' blood at the murder scene, when he allegedly wasn't there/ wasn't involved in the crime? I always thought that was a slam dunk piece of evidence in a murder case...ANYWHERE in the world. and to convince anyone that the det. planted it there just cuz he's racist???..... how'd he get OJ's blood, and get it to the scene? And then OJ's behaviour afterwards with the low-speed chase (wht didn't they just give him the spino-rama move??) all being on video, was never offered in as evidence. How would he explain those actions?

and hey, did Spanky/Beratta get off his charge ? wasn't his whole post-crime conconction pretty flawed?

wow MD, if you're in law enforcement and you believe your DA is a bull, that's a good thing. most police i talk to get really PO'ed at the DA, but then again, our DA has a wicked case load and can probably only pick the best. Gov't funded=lack of resources. Actually, our auto insurance company privately funds 2-3 lawyers to work full-time on fraud related charges, cuz the police and DA claim to have no time for that kinda stuff.

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hey OFC, how was Canada? cold? so whaddya catch? and if it was crabs....ya got them from one of yer alley-cats hr>

RFLMFAO img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border="0"> That was a good oneimg src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">
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Hey Confused,
If ya go with an enclosed trailer, I'd really consider and Quadcycle(aka snowmobile) trailer.
That's what I decided on and am glad I did.
No wheelwells on the inside sure make it easier to pack in the quads.
The front loading ramp is nice when you want to back the trailer into a spot where you can't unload from the rear.
I've had to do that a couple time and it worked out great.
The trailer sits up high enough you can build storage boxes underneath the deck, with an access door inside through the floor or even outside if you want.
Mine is a 25' Interstate. I can fit 6 full size quads in mine, nose to butt without piggy backing them, and still have the front "V" area to put other stuff.

Good Luck

Kids can always sleep in the enclosed, or as mine will want to do soon, they can sleep in a tent outside if the weather is decent.


When ya making a trip down South this way again???????????????????

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actually, i just ordered a stablelift for my camper, so i'll be seeing my uncle in Everett in a week or 2. We have a real limited selection of used, enclosed trailers. I can't afford new. hey, do you guys have a "Buy and Sell", or anything else where people would advertise used stuff like that for sale?? I would look at paying up to $3500 US for an enclosed trailer (used). I'd want an interior size of 16x8. I just missed one for sale here that was used as a race car trailer. I dunno what the overall length would be, but i'd guess it would be 20'. Anyways, i'd travel to WA to get one if you guys have better deals.

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Even Post Ho's need a day off

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the astounding thing about the OJ case to me, was : How do you find the accuseds' blood at the murder scene, when he allegedly wasn't there/ wasn't involved in the crime? I always thought that was a slam dunk piece of evidence in a murder case...ANYWHERE in the world. and to convince anyone that the det. planted it there just cuz he's racist???..... how'd he get OJ's blood, and get it to the scene? And then OJ's behaviour afterwards with the low-speed chase (wht didn't they just give him the spino-rama move??) all being on video, was never offered in as evidence. How would he explain those actions?

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I don't remember his blood being at the scene. His blood was supposedly found on the Bronco, both inside and outside. Where it was located outside was of some squabling.

They didn't do a PIT maneuver because he was not driving, there was someone else in the car and they were told that he was armed. MD could probably elaborate more on when they can, can't, should or shouldn't. I do have to say I've seen a PIT done in person. Guy was running during morning rush hour from half the Clovis PD. One officer went for a PIT on a right hand turn. The driver went between 2 cars and made the nurm. The officer jumped on him, spun him about 80 degrees but the guy pulled it out, somehow. Chase was then called off. CSO (Comm. Service Officer...they are a step below a Police Officer. They aren't armed and usually do traffic (parking tickets, traffic direction, etc.) spotted the car in a complex a few minutes later. The driver wasn't the owner, but had permission to drive the car.

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the astounding thing about the OJ case to me, was : How do you find the accuseds' blood at the murder scene, when he allegedly wasn't there/ wasn't involved in the crime? I always thought that was a slam dunk piece of evidence in a murder case...ANYWHERE in the world. and to convince anyone that the det. planted it there just cuz he's racist???..... how'd he get OJ's blood, and get it to the scene? And then OJ's behaviour afterwards with the low-speed chase (wht didn't they just give him the spino-rama move??) all being on video, was never offered in as evidence. How would he explain those actions?

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I don't remember his blood being at the scene. His blood was supposedly found on the Bronco, both inside and outside. Where it was located outside was of some squabling.

They didn't do a PIT maneuver because he was not driving, there was someone else in the car and they were told that he was armed. MD could probably elaborate more on when they can, can't, should or shouldn't. I do have to say I've seen a PIT done in person. Guy was running during morning rush hour from half the Clovis PD. One officer went for a PIT on a right hand turn. The driver went between 2 cars and made the nurm. The officer jumped on him, spun him about 80 degrees but the guy pulled it out, somehow. Chase was then called off. CSO (Comm. Service Officer...they are a step below a Police Officer. They aren't armed and usually do traffic (parking tickets, traffic direction, etc.) spotted the car in a complex a few minutes later. The driver wasn't the owner, but had permission to drive the car.

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Yea, the blood and glove were all part of the framing from LAPD. It worked, hey let the real killer oofLook at how hard OJ is trying to find the real killerFrom the 14 th hole on the back side

Anyways, for us to do that manuever, you need supervisor approvalspeeds have to be below 25 mph and it has to be at a intersection while the suspect is turning. So, needless to say, we don't do them. Stop Stixs are easier and don't need approval to use themI can't say what CHP's policy is.

Like I said earlier, in a homicide case circumstantial evidence is a lot of your case. Sometimes, you need to forgo your "not so upstanding gentleman of society" And let the evidence support itself. My GOD, IIRC, he owned a 9mm that was now missing/unaccounted for and they couldn't find the gun she was shot withI tell ya, if you want to kill someone, go down south. I don't know what is up with the Da's office down there

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Yea, the blood and glove were all part of the framing from LAPD. It worked, hey let the real killer oofLook at how hard OJ is trying to find the real killerFrom the 14 th hole on the back side

Anyways, for us to do that manuever, you need supervisor approvalspeeds have to be below 25 mph and it has to be at a intersection while the suspect is turning. So, needless to say, we don't do them. Stop Stixs are easier and don't need approval to use themI can't say what CHP's policy is.

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I know the CHP has come under fire for being very liberal in their pursuit policy. I.e. you run they chase for just about everything. Every time a chase happens around town the media goes on about things. That morning I believe there was actually TWO chases.

I saw this one 3 times believe it or not! I was getting some donuts and seen 2 Crown Vics go flying around a corner. Figured "DAMN something's going on." They were hauling hay. Then I made it about 1/2 south and 1 mile west. Turned south on that street and next thing I know is an F-150 SuperCrew (watch commander) blows everyone's doors off. Looked like the rest of the dept. went down the street that I was on if I hadn't turned. But it was actually a street about 1/8 mile further north. The watch commander goes around people trying to make a right turn 1/2 mile south of where I turned (1mi south & west of where I first saw the cars). Lost him in this county island area. Looked down the street about 1/2 mile west of where I last turned and saw a ton of LE cars with lights on. Got about 1/2 mile further west when the actual chase flew by me and when the officer went to PIT the guy.

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Like I said earlier, in a homicide case circumstantial evidence is a lot of your case. Sometimes, you need to forgo your "not so upstanding gentleman of society" And let the evidence support itself. My GOD, IIRC, he owned a 9mm that was now missing/unaccounted for and they couldn't find the gun she was shot withI tell ya, if you want to kill someone, go down south. I don't know what is up with the Da's office down therehr>

Maybe it's LAPD too. Who knowd.

DA's office is happy here today. Marcus Wesson got the death penalty. First one in years in Fresno County. IIRC 9 counts of 1st degree murder and about 14-15 counts of molestation, incest, etc. types of things with his daughters and nieces. Given enough time I'm sure he would have been molesting his grand/children. I mean that literally. He fathered some of his own grandkids. Sick bastage. Trained his kids to kill each other if they were ever threatened with breaking the family up. PD came one day, ended up in a stand off. Next thing they know he comes out of his house with blood all over him and 9 bodies in a bedroom all thrown around. Oldest daughter had gunshot residue on her hands. Each child was shot in the eye. Oldest victim (daughter was early 20s) youngest was less than a year old.

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Yea, the blood and glove were all part of the framing from LAPD. It worked, hey let the real killer oofLook at how hard OJ is trying to find the real killerFrom the 14 th hole on the back side

Anyways, for us to do that manuever, you need supervisor approvalspeeds have to be below 25 mph and it has to be at a intersection while the suspect is turning. So, needless to say, we don't do them. Stop Stixs are easier and don't need approval to use themI can't say what CHP's policy is.

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I know the CHP has come under fire for being very liberal in their pursuit policy. I.e. you run they chase for just about everything. Every time a chase happens around town the media goes on about things. That morning I believe there was actually TWO chases.

I saw this one 3 times believe it or not! I was getting some donuts and seen 2 Crown Vics go flying around a corner. Figured "DAMN something's going on." They were hauling hay. Then I made it about 1/2 south and 1 mile west. Turned south on that street and next thing I know is an F-150 SuperCrew (watch commander) blows everyone's doors off. Looked like the rest of the dept. went down the street that I was on if I hadn't turned. But it was actually a street about 1/8 mile further north. The watch commander goes around people trying to make a right turn 1/2 mile south of where I turned (1mi south & west of where I first saw the cars). Lost him in this county island area. Looked down the street about 1/2 mile west of where I last turned and saw a ton of LE cars with lights on. Got about 1/2 mile further west when the actual chase flew by me and when the officer went to PIT the guy.

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DA's office is happy here today. Marcus Wesson got the death penalty. First one in years in Fresno County. IIRC 9 counts of 1st degree murder and about 14-15 counts of molestation, incest, etc. types of things with his daughters and nieces. Given enough time I'm sure he would have been molesting his grand/children. I mean that literally. He fathered some of his own grandkids. Sick bastage. Trained his kids to kill each other if they were ever threatened with breaking the family up. PD came one day, ended up in a stand off. Next thing they know he comes out of his house with blood all over him and 9 bodies in a bedroom all thrown around. Oldest daughter had gunshot residue on her hands. Each child was shot in the eye. Oldest victim (daughter was early 20s) youngest was less than a year old.

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Ive been behind on news for a while now. Havent even had teh scope out since sometime in 2003...
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Basically, NASA sent up a probe to catch this comet that will pass like 80 million miles awayThis probe will release another probe, that is suppose to land on the cometthen, NASA will detonate a bomb that is suppose to be visible from earth on the Western Hemisphere. This is suppose to happen on July 3 at 2300 hours our timeThey say you might need a telescope to see it. Depending on what the comet is made ofdepends on the size of the blast/crater it will createBR>
When I heard this, for some reason Ithought of youKnowing you had a telescope and are at a nice elevation, with clear dark skies

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Basically, NASA sent up a probe to catch this comet that will pass like 80 million miles awayThis probe will release another probe, that is suppose to land on the cometthen, NASA will detonate a bomb that is suppose to be visible from earth on the Western Hemisphere. This is suppose to happen on July 3 at 2300 hours our timeThey say you might need a telescope to see it. Depending on what the comet is made ofdepends on the size of the blast/crater it will createBR>
When I heard this, for some reason Ithought of youKnowing you had a telescope and are at a nice elevation, with clear dark skieshr>

THanks. Im gettin info on it right now. Gotta find out its "address"... It might just be a good reason to get the scope out.

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I've been there. Do you know what happened? And Driving a F150 SupercrewOur sups drive crown vics just like us. Except maybe not as marked up. Now a days, each dept. must have a policy in place. Only way you can really be immune from law suitsBut, they still happenLocal agency up here has a 3 minute pursuit policyNow, the bad guys just head to the city limit signhr>

I can't remember. I know they said at the time what he was being pursued for. I think Fresno PD was looking for him as he did something there. Then he crossed into Clovis and was spotted. I think the two PDs communicate when looking for people. I know I see the FPD Ghetto Bird flying over Clovis on a regular occasion. Anyways....

They now have 2 SuperCrews. One is a Pre-04 and the other is an 04 I think with the new paint scheme (Black, white doors and stylized mountains New Car Design). The new one has a cap with a rear window, no side windows. I'm assuming they carry a ton of stuff in them. Darnit, can't find a pic of one. Truck was approved for purchase on 11/6/2000. LOL.

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Basically, NASA sent up a probe to catch this comet that will pass like 80 million miles awayThis probe will release another probe, that is suppose to land on the cometthen, NASA will detonate a bomb that is suppose to be visible from earth on the Western Hemisphere. This is suppose to happen on July 3 at 2300 hours our timeThey say you might need a telescope to see it. Depending on what the comet is made ofdepends on the size of the blast/crater it will createBR>
When I heard this, for some reason Ithought of youKnowing you had a telescope and are at a nice elevation, with clear dark skieshr>

THanks. Im gettin info on it right now. Gotta find out its "address"... It might just be a good reason to get the scope out.

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LOL. Sneaky bastage! I checked out the enviro or where to ride first, then here, then I'll be heading over to The Zone.

Been out all night until about 10. Met with some of my bro's friends who are into the AirSoft thing and want to put a team together. Not sure about affording another hobby that spensive. But my bro said he'd buy a gun I could use. Probably an M15A4 I think is what it is. All metal construction and licensed from Armorlite with a serial number. Looks pretty cool. I think it's about the only licensed one that there is that can be imported. Otherwise they have to scratch off the logos when they come through customs. Almost MUST have the orange tips installed when they come through. Some people drop some serious coin on them.

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I'm sure they have the commander executive desk or what ever they call it back thereLike a desk on wheelsBR>
Around here, they are starting to use Expeditions and SuburbansI'm sure they are being funded by the Patriot Acthr>

County Mounties have them around here. Actually quite a few of them. Mariposa seems to like the Durangos. Seen a couple when I was up for the poker run. FPD and FCSO also have some full size trucks, but for hauling their mounted patrol trailers. CPD does as well.

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Plastic Pellets.
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Yea, the blood and glove were all part of the framing from LAPD. It worked, hey let the real killer oofLook at how hard OJ is trying to find the real killerFrom the 14 th hole on the back side

Anyways, for us to do that manuever, you need supervisor approvalspeeds have to be below 25 mph and it has to be at a intersection while the suspect is turning. So, needless to say, we don't do them. Stop Stixs are easier and don't need approval to use themI can't say what CHP's policy is.

Like I said earlier, in a homicide case circumstantial evidence is a lot of your case. Sometimes, you need to forgo your "not so upstanding gentleman of society" And let the evidence support itself. My GOD, IIRC, he owned a 9mm that was now missing/unaccounted for and they couldn't find the gun she was shot withI tell ya, if you want to kill someone, go down south. I don't know what is up with the Da's office down therehr>

so, was OJ's blood "planted" at the scene, or the Bronco?

re: "the manouever" (sounds like a Seinfeld episode) , and giving up chase, etc..., Whatever happened to the old saying, "ya can't outrun a Motorola" ?

the whole police chase thing really riles me. their job is to catch bad guys, so they're really doing what they're trained to do. and if it becomes known that police policy is to not pursue, you encourage the POS to initiate a pursuit. BUT; the tragedy is someone innocent is often killed during pursuit, often the officer. so if the POS is caught, he might face 1-2 years served (max). was the innocent citizen's or cop's life worth such a trivial penalty? the courts need to take this type of crime WAY more seriously. to me, it's all about INTENT, and what could have happened. the only thing separating murder from attempted murder is luck. the POS' intent is exactly the same in either cae; to murder. in a chase, you could kill someone, and the only thing saving you was luck. you put people's lives at risk (altho i'm sure it's not quite the same as intending to murder someone, but it's not very far behind, cuz what do you think will happen when you act that recklessly?). much stiffer penalty needed.

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wow, you post-hos, yer sure making it long read to get to the reply spot!

MD, movie was Armageddon. But it also reminds me of the one with Morgan Freeman as USA Prez, Tea Leoni is the media chick who makes her career out of breaking the story. Essentially, asteroid headed to earth that's gonna wipe out mankind. It was a very good movie. so i wonder what they're not telling us?? I mean, why blow up a comet that's going to be 80mil miles away?? maybe they don't want mass hysteria? and i thought a comet was mostly loosely gathered ice particles and dust, not really a big solid mass like an asteriod. but i can't remember that stuff for sure.....it's been 30 years since i had an interest in it.

Mounties??? ya mean like the Royal Canadian Mounted Police?? now there's a variety of cool uniforms! the red serge, the Sam Brown, musical ride uni with the puffed out thighs.

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re: "the manouever" (sounds like a Seinfeld episode) , and giving up chase, etc..., Whatever happened to the old saying, "ya can't outrun a Motorola" ?

the whole police chase thing really riles me. their job is to catch bad guys, so they're really doing what they're trained to do. and if it becomes known that police policy is to not pursue, you encourage the POS to initiate a pursuit. BUT; the tragedy is someone innocent is often killed during pursuit, often the officer. so if the POS is caught, he might face 1-2 years served (max). was the innocent citizen's or cop's life worth such a trivial penalty? the courts need to take this type of crime WAY more seriously. to me, it's all about INTENT, and what could have happened. the only thing separating murder from attempted murder is luck. the POS' intent is exactly the same in either cae; to murder. in a chase, you could kill someone, and the only thing saving you was luck. you put people's lives at risk (altho i'm sure it's not quite the same as intending to murder someone, but it's not very far behind, cuz what do you think will happen when you act that recklessly?). much stiffer penalty needed.

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NAAWAWWWWWZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!11!
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Nothing yet. I should be picking up a Diablo Predator tomorow(thursday) or friday..

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we had a couple of chases/incidents here yesterday. BOTH tried to run down the cop. BOTH got fired at. in one case, the PO hit the car's wheelwell (BAD SHOT!!). the other, the driver was killed (great shot!). now, the family wants to know why the PO fired, was he "on an adrenaline rush", etc... Okay, the guy had JUST attempted to rob a gas stn, and was due to appear on charges for another robbery incident later this month. As if this family doesn't already know the 45 y/o guy was pure trouble. ya play with fire, you'll eventually get burned. I have zero sympathy for them, and lose more respect the more they whine. (the father of the guy who murdered the 4 mounties a few months ago called his son the devil, and offered no criticism of the police. At least he acknowledges his son was crazy, and doesn't try to blame the police). As for the andrenalin comment... DUH!! a guy tries to mow you down in a PU truck. what are you gonna do? like i said before.... walk a mile in the PO's shoes before you judge him.

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MD, movie was Armageddon. But it also reminds me of the one with Morgan Freeman as USA Prez, Tea Leoni is the media chick who makes her career out of breaking the story. Essentially, asteroid headed to earth that's gonna wipe out mankind. It was a very good movie. so i wonder what they're not telling us?? I mean, why blow up a comet that's going to be 80mil miles away?? maybe they don't want mass hysteria? and i thought a comet was mostly loosely gathered ice particles and dust, not really a big solid mass like an asteriod. but i can't remember that stuff for sure.....it's been 30 years since i had an interest in it.

Mounties??? ya mean like the Royal Canadian Mounted Police?? now there's a variety of cool uniforms! the red serge, the Sam Brown, musical ride uni with the puffed out thighs.

HEY, my pal just traded in his Lightning for a Lincoln pick-up truck. they're so new up here, i still haven't seen one yet. but he sent me some links and they look pretty cool.

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Thank youI just watched it last night tooFor the life of me, I couldn't remember the titleDidn't see that moviean't say I've heard of it eitherBR>
You are correct on your assessment of a cometNot bad for over 30 yearsNASA says they are hoping it helps them "discover" how they were made and possibly, HOW man came aboutApparently, they don't believe in GODimg src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> Anyways, they believe they will only make a dent in it. Just enough of a blast to blow up dust and such, so that one of the probes can send data "from it" back to earthBEFORE it is pelted to oblivion with all the dust, rocks and other crap it blows into outerspaceBR>
Our Posse guys are referred to as mounties.

I've seen a couple around here. Very ExpensiveEspecially if you the Harley Eiditionover $60,000img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border="0">img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border="0">img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border="0">

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huh??? where did the police say they discovered it?

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It wasn't planted anywhere. It was right where OJ left itBR>
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okay, now who's pushing who's buttons? yer answering like one of the criminals on the witness stand! re-read my post. i quoted "planted" to emphasize my sarcasm.

Judge:
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okay, i thot they found the blood in close proximity to the bodies/ near the front door and walkway area. AND, i thot they had all kinds of video tape of the investigation being done (at least the tapes that weren't erased by idiot Judge Ito!!). So how could fermin plant blood knowing all that taping was going on? (or was he allged to have swapped samples later....but still...how did he get OJs blood??)

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we had a couple of chases/incidents here yesterday. BOTH tried to run down the cop. BOTH got fired at. in one case, the PO hit the car's wheelwell (BAD SHOT!!). the other, the driver was killed (great shot!). now, the family wants to know why the PO fired, was he "on an adrenaline rush", etc... Okay, the guy had JUST attempted to rob a gas stn, and was due to appear on charges for another robbery incident later this month. As if this family doesn't already know the 45 y/o guy was pure trouble. ya play with fire, you'll eventually get burned. I have zero sympathy for them, and lose more respect the more they whine. (the father of the guy who murdered the 4 mounties a few months ago called his son the devil, and offered no criticism of the police. At least he acknowledges his son was crazy, and doesn't try to blame the police). As for the andrenalin comment... DUH!! a guy tries to mow you down in a PU truck. what are you gonna do? like i said before.... walk a mile in the PO's shoes before you judge him. .

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huh??? where did the police say they discovered it?

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It wasn't planted anywhere. It was right where OJ left itBR>
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okay, now who's pushing who's buttons? yer answering like one of the criminals on the witness stand! re-read my post. i quoted "planted" to emphasize my sarcasm.

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I thought up in the Great White Northno one would run from the mountieshr>

sorta right MD, but i believe the saying goes, "the mounties always catch their man". what they didn't add in was..."they're just not allowed to chase them in a car"...

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as for the lib media.... yer right. remember the story of my uncle who was in an armistice day parade in WA state, after WW1 (like 1917?)?[ya, he was a stud; married my 20 y/o aunt when he was 60!] anyways, he was shot by a communist, aswell as 1-2 other soldiers. i guess the communists were kinda big back then.... i dunno the whole political climate. after my uncle died in 1981, we found some old newspaper articles describing the event. he had always told us he was shot DURING the war! anywho, the paper very matter-of-factly described the events at the parade and what ensued, with no spin, gloss or opinion. Basically, the 2 suspects were taken to the local jail. a mob scene ensued and they took the 2 suspects out of the jail (hec, everyone at the parade saw who the shooters were), CASTRATED them, and then hung them from a bridge! NOW there's good 'ol frontier justice! and the ONE article we read just reported it, never criticized or dressed it up. we never saw the rest of the ensuing newspaper articles... maybe i should try and read the old archives one day from Centralia/Chehalis newspapers. (this was actually in Doty, which is now almost a ghost-town, but they may have had their own newspaper back then). i'd be curious to see what else was said or followed up.

and none of the kids needed trauma counselling, they just learned a lesson from a real-life experience. if that same thing happened today, all those bleeding hearts would be front and center.

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I found it pretty impressive that your Uncle was a studthat could marry a 20 year oldI thought that only happened to 3 people, Hugh Heffner, the old guy that Anna Nicole Smith marriedor OFCWait, he's not marriedBR>
Back to the topicInitially, he told the family, he was shot in WWI, But, in fact the paper says he was shot in a paradeThen, the suspects where jailedbut a lynching took placeand they were Castrated by the mob? If they were castrated by the Mob, Way to goNow, If I followed the story correctlyIt's is latethen I would try and find another new article to prove/disprove uncles intially story.

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okay, i thot they found the blood in close proximity to the bodies/ near the front door and walkway area. AND, i thot they had all kinds of video tape of the investigation being done (at least the tapes that weren't erased by idiot Judge Ito!!). So how could fermin plant blood knowing all that taping was going on? (or was he allged to have swapped samples later....but still...how did he get OJs blood??)

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You are correct with your assumption of how it "reportedly" took place. It was suppose to have taken place away from the scene. IIRC. They (the OJ dream team) never said "How" he got the blood, that I remember. That was one of many blunders the dda's did.

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I thought up in the Great White Northno one would run from the mountieshr>

sorta right MD, but i believe the saying goes, "the mounties always catch their man". what they didn't add in was..."they're just not allowed to chase them in a car"...

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A carI thought they still went around on horses and didn't carry guns

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Confused, actually I know very little how your L.E. really works up there. I always thought Canada as liberalswho restricted the hands of L.E.Someday, I would like to visit the Great White North (even though we had more snow in Ca. this past winter Go ride with you and the family and ride out with the L.E. up thereTo get a better understanding

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he was definitely in WW1. read his diary of it after he died. he was really young, and it sounded like they drank a lot and chased skirts. (doesn't every soldier, in every war?? and who could blame them when every day could be their last day). plus, that's probably the only time he had to write in the diary. i think he was either embarassed to tell us it happened during what essentially amounted to a 'Welcome Back' parade, or i was too young when he was alive for him to give the full and technical explanation. Technically, he was a soldier in uniform when he got shot tho! there was nothing in his diary about being shot during the war, so i'm pretty sure it happened like the newspaper reported it. and yes, the mob castrated, then hung the suspects! and all 3 events took place on the same day.

RU trying to be a detective and analyze and question the integrity of this story?that's okay, it's the training, right?

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You know after that case, the 2 dda's were without a job at the da's office, imagine thathr>

well, Ito did a horrible job of controlling the circus (especially compared to how well the civil trial judge kept the reigns on). and as for losing their jobs, Marcia Bad-Hairdo became instantly rich on the lecture circuit, so it seems like it was a blessing for her.

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Confused, actually I know very little how your L.E. really works up there. I always thought Canada as liberalswho restricted the hands of L.E.Someday, I would like to visit the Great White North (even though we had more snow in Ca. this past winter Go ride with you and the family and ride out with the L.E. up thereTo get a better understandinghr>

Whoa! don't police WORLDWIDE consider their hands tied in fighting crime??and why do you think i was hacking on ya earlier about the police code of silence/conspiracy when it comes to their own?? ours have had some really black eye incidents come to light lately. But anyways, back to crime in Canada, it's sad to say, but POS and drug addicts, murderers, etc... really aren't much different worldwide. Have you heard of Robert Pickton? He's our current "prize". Accused of murdering 30+ prostitutes and street people/drug addicts, etc. He was a pig farmer. They're still digging up his land and finding remains, and adding to the list of charges. We've spent millions on this case. Why don't people like this just plead guilty???? The evidence is beyond over-whelming. and the $$ and resources being wasted now ...UGH!

as for socialist panzies, that's what ya get labelled as when you have no death penalty. yet I'll betcha more people here would rather have it if the crime meets the standard (child killer, cop killer, etc..). But then, seeing how long it takes to finally fry them, and the $$ wasted trying to keep 'em alive with ALL those ridiculous levels of appeals, sometimes i wonder if it's worth it. there's just certain POS that should be automatic deep-fry, like Dahmer, the loony from Stockton 20+ years ago, Bundy, etc..

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MD, movie was Armageddon. But it also reminds me of the one with Morgan Freeman as USA Prez, Tea Leoni is the media chick who makes her career out of breaking the story.

Thank youI just watched it last night tooFor the life of me, I couldn't remember the titleDidn't see that moviean't say I've heard of it either

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it was Deep Impact. good movie, and worth watching!!

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he was definitely in WW1. read his diary of it after he died. he was really young, and it sounded like they drank a lot and chased skirts. (doesn't every soldier, in every war?? and who could blame them when every day could be their last day). plus, that's probably the only time he had to write in the diary. i think he was either embarassed to tell us it happened during what essentially amounted to a 'Welcome Back' parade, or i was too young when he was alive for him to give the full and technical explanation. Technically, he was a soldier in uniform when he got shot tho! there was nothing in his diary about being shot during the war, so i'm pretty sure it happened like the newspaper reported it. and yes, the mob castrated, then hung the suspects! and all 3 events took place on the same day.

RU trying to be a detective and analyze and question the integrity of this story?that's okay, it's the training, right?hr>

I know when I was in the militaryI drank and chased skirtBig timewomen really do love men in uniformimg src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

If your uncle was shot in Uniformthen it counts to me. To bad it was idiots at home that did itMake it through the crap in the fieldjust to be hurt on your own soilBR>
No, It's your story and I respect that and your uncleI was just throwing the last part in "just in case" you felt it needed to be pursudethat's all

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You know after that case, the 2 dda's were without a job at the da's office, imagine thathr>

well, Ito did a horrible job of controlling the circus (especially compared to how well the civil trial judge kept the reigns on). and as for losing their jobs, Marcia Bad-Hairdo became instantly rich on the lecture circuit, so it seems like it was a blessing for her.

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Confused, actually I know very little how your L.E. really works up there. I always thought Canada as liberalswho restricted the hands of L.E.Someday, I would like to visit the Great White North (even though we had more snow in Ca. this past winter Go ride with you and the family and ride out with the L.E. up thereTo get a better understandinghr>

Whoa! don't police WORLDWIDE consider their hands tied in fighting crime??and why do you think i was hacking on ya earlier about the police code of silence/conspiracy when it comes to their own?? ours have had some really black eye incidents come to light lately. But anyways, back to crime in Canada, it's sad to say, but POS and drug addicts, murderers, etc... really aren't much different worldwide. Have you heard of Robert Pickton? He's our current "prize". Accused of murdering 30+ prostitutes and street people/drug addicts, etc. He was a pig farmer. They're still digging up his land and findi