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Posted by: jaybeecon55
Hey UKZilla - Just curious - What's petrol going for on your side of the pond these days? We're all starting to beech and moan with 87 octain going for $1.64 per gallon. 89 and 93 run .10 to .20 per gallon more. Diesel usually goes for about the same as gas. Highest prices we've ever seen over here but I bet it's lots cheaper than where you live.
Jaybee
Posted by: jaybeecon55
$1.43 / litre translates to about $5.75 / gallon. That means an average fillup for my truck would run $175.00. $175.00 is exactly $100.00 more than I paid for my very first car - which I could fill for $3.00 with the .379 gas available then. I must be old, I remember buying gas at under 20 cents a gallon during some of the local gas wars - and getting a free iced tea glass or Esso Tiger trash can too.
Jaybee
Posted by: maddog56
If you need to do real truck things like towing and hauling, buy the titan. More hp, real size, better design, etc.
If you are going to be using this truck to cruise around, get the tundra. Good mileage, smaller, etc.
Posted by: maddog56
You could look into an american made truck...After all, we are the leading truck market in the world and they have been mass produced here for almost a century.
Posted by: maddog56
They check all of the time out west.
UKzilla, same "RED" diesel setup here. It can be rigged with an aux tank and you can run both and pass the test, but its a lot of work for the money saved.
Posted by: maddog56
And ford builds them in canada and kentucky. Dodge has a plant in missouri I believe.
I dont think that one should buy a vehicle based soley on the fact that it is made by an American company, but I think that It should weigh in when the going is close.
Posted by: maddog56
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Originally posted by: rescuediver
Maddog, I'm in Law Enforcement, have logged many, many miles on our roadways along with interstate travel, I've never seen a check station looking into pick up trucks to see what color diesel trucks were running in their tanks. Can you elaborate on where they do it all the time out west? Because being from Ca. it does suprise me that they don't do it. But, I've never seen it. I am one that "never says it can't happen or doesn't happen", I've just never seen it in my almost 20 years of being a deputy.
By out west I mean Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, Idaho, and Washington.
They dont check all of the passenger pickups at weigh stations. They do spot check farm and work trucks both by the side of the road and at weigh stations. All it really takes is a clear tube and a pressure bulb. You stick it in the tank and pull some fuel out and check the color. My uncle is a welder from out west and has his truck rigged for the jobsite. I have other family out there who own ranches and they have relayed the same information.
Posted by: BlackandRedWarrior
I'd love $1.64/gal out here in CA. I just paid 2.009 this morning for some 87. That was a pretty good price. Some of the Shell/Chevron/76 stations start out at 2.099 around here. Figure 10c add per each level. Diesel varies. If you hit a Beacon/Arco you'll pay $1.899. The closest Chevron is about $209.9. It varies more than gas around here. Not sure what red diesel is. Though we just bought some for our equipment at work.
I think we pay about 50 cents in taxes here locally. I look fondly back to my high school year book photo of an ad for a gas station $.999. It was down to about $.879 here a couple years ago.
I think we should just invade a middle east oil producing country...oh wait...we did.
I US Gal = 3.78541 liters (litres). That makes it out to about $5.41/US Gal. *shudder* Do you get a free lube job with that?
Posted by: BlackandRedWarrior
I too have "heard" of them checking. Who, how, when or why, I don't know. I suppose it would probably fall upon the CHP to do it if they thought somebody was being sneaky. We only have one diesel cargo van and the guy who used to drive it got caught filling up one day. The other trucks/cars are all gas. Diesel equip. are a couple Ditch Witches and a big fork lift. The fine is supposed to be $1,000 per offense.
Popped up this about enformcement in CA at the CA Farm Bureau.
Fines are $1,000 first offense...and BTW, you get hammered by both Unlce Sam AND his little sister. Either the CHP (for on-road checks) or a team of IRS and FTB (Franchise Tax Board is the state version of the IRS for non-CA folks.) And to do the checks they can just come on in and test it. Laws (fed & state) say they can. I can just see my boss now if they showed up here.
So it's $2,000 first shot, plus they can audit and charge you the back taxes with penalties, interest, etc. Each offense is a multiplier. 2nd offense is 2x ($4,000). Third offense is 3x $6,000), etc. etc. Gotta love Google.
Posted by: BlackandRedWarrior
Well from that one article it looks like Big Brother and Little Sister are just showing up. Looks to be more like they are going after ag users. I think they use most of the red around here. Probably followed by the construction industry. We don't use much. Maybe 100gals a year if that much.
Posted by: Bluethumb
Does anyone own one of these? I'm looking at either the Titan or a Toyota Tundra, and would like your opinions on either.
Posted by: Bluethumb
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Originally posted by: maddog56
You could look into an american made truck...After all, we are the leading truck market in the world and they have been mass produced here for almost a century.
Ya, I thought about that, my dad has owned nothing but Fords for the past 25 years, and swears by them. He's also put a lot of money into them. Chev's are nice, but they're hard on fuel, even with the 4.8L. Dodge is out of the question, thirsty, and in my opinon, poorer build quality than a Chev or Ford. I'm leaning toward the Toyota, can't argue with their reliability record, but I really like the new Titan. Another reason I didn't consider a domestic, is that it's not going to be worked hard, more of a toy hauler, getting firewood etc, I can't really justify putting gas in a 6L motor for that, or a Hemi for that matter.
Posted by: UKzilla
of course you can justify a big engine, your paying american fuel prices
Posted by: UKzilla
81pence per liter so thats a whopping $1.43 aprox per liter diesel is around the same price and i have seen it dearer than petrol at the same pumps,
lot a people run on red diesel over here its about 36pence per liter,
we havent used gallons for a good few years over here and i dont know how many liters there are in a gallon probably about 5 tho at a guess and most people like my self will just put in the tank a cash value so you dont realy notice what your getting for your money,
most of the cost is tax for the govvey not profit for the oil companies,
Posted by: UKzilla
i didnt know red diesel existed anywhere els in the world,LOL heres the deal
its just ordinary diesel with a red dye added so it is distinguished from pump diesel, here in the uk its less than half the price of pump diesel cos its not taxed, its for use in machinery like generators compressors and agricultural machinery tractors atc, its illegal to use it in a road vehicle because of it not being taxed, here in the uk there are loads of people who quite rightly want to keep there motoring costs down and take the risk of running on red diesel, i havent heard of it hapening for a while localy but it was common for for road blocks to be in place pulling over diesel cars and vans and "dipping the tank" to see if the diesel was red, along with other "big brother style checks,
ride red i say
Posted by: UKzilla
over here in the uk its just seen as the govy on a money grabbing mission, same with clamping down on vehicle tax, speed cameras etc, its unfortunate that the police are baring the brunt of the publics disatisfaction, many normal everyday good honest people are ending up on the wrong side of the law and the cops are getting to a point of having no respect and zero credability,
you expect the criminal types to have a dislike of the police as there an ocupational hazard they would be glad to do without,
but when the average man in the street has no respect things need to change,
Posted by: UKzilla
I Agree 100% rescuediver i have nothing but respect for the law enforcement and i apreciate what your saying,
Posted by: rescuediver
I just paid $1.83 for diesel.
UK, diesel is basically set up the same way in Ca. If you have a ranch/farm with diesel equip. your don't need to pay the road taxes. Never heard of Uncle Sam doing a road check to see what color diesel you were runnning in your truck
Posted by: rescuediver
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Originally posted by: maddog56
They check all of the time out west.
Maddog, I'm in Law Enforcement, have logged many, many miles on our roadways along with interstate travel, I've never seen a check station looking into pick up trucks to see what color diesel trucks were running in their tanks. Can you elaborate on where they do it all the time out west? Because being from Ca. it does suprise me that they don't do it. But, I've never seen it. I am one that "never says it can't happen or doesn't happen", I've just never seen it in my almost 20 years of being a deputy.
Posted by: rescuediver
I too am not one to buy soley based on where a pick up truck is built. They all have something foreign about them. But, between the two trucks in the original post, I would take the Titan, they claim it can pull 9200 lbs or that size truck, that's quite a few quads on a trailer
Posted by: rescuediver
By out west I mean Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, Idaho, and Washington.
They dont check all of the passenger pickups at weigh stations. They do spot check farm and work trucks both by the side of the road and at weigh stations. All it really takes is a clear tube and a pressure bulb. You stick it in the tank and pull some fuel out and check the color. My uncle is a welder from out west and has his truck rigged for the jobsite. I have other family out there who own ranches and they have relayed the same information.
Thanks for the info, fortunately, I havent seen it out here. It does surprise me though that it isn't done. At least on a larger scale. Like you described, it's not hi-tech to do it. But, If they started it out here, the public would be screaming that law enforcement has better things to do with their time then checking the color of diesel fuel in trucks. Thanks again for the info. Ride Safe, Lt.Dan
Posted by: rescuediver
UK, as the government keeps passing all these laws, there is only a hand full of people who can enforce them. Unfortunately, for law enforcement we have that job. Some of the laws on the books do make the honest person a criminal. I try to treat people the way I want to be treated. Now, I can't make every one happy when I contact them, but I do get my share of "Thank You". All we ask, is put yourself into our shoes, see what we see, and try to look at it through our eyes. I have a job to do, just like the grocery clerk, mailman, butcher, etc. It just that my job, takes me from being the nicest guy on the earth on one call to the meanest and nastiest person on the very next call.
If your breaking the law and it doesn't matter what law it is and your caught, own up to it and move on. Believe it, most of us don't take it personally, you can't or the job will eat you up. Lt.Dan
Posted by: rescuediver
UK, ThanksBR>
BlackandRedWarrior, Ouch, again, I have never seen it happening. I would guess that some one would need to report you or your books were really screwed up before they came looking in your fuel tank. Thanks for looking up the information.Lt.Dan
Posted by: DSengineer
Here is a link to a shootout between the Titan and the big three: http://www.truckworld.com/Truck-Tests/04-4way/04-4way.html
The Tunda is a well built reliable truck but doesn't come close in the towing department to the Titan.
I don't buy into the argument that we should only buy American trucks. The Titan is completely manufactured and assembled here in the US. GM on the other hand builds their trucks in Canada and Mexico.
Posted by: hvydty2500
Hell out here in the sticks of PA, they have been checking for the red diesel for a few years....i know a few ppl that got busted, 1 being a logger who was out in the woods fueling up his skidder...and his truck ran out of diesel..**aparently a bad fuel gauge** so he thought nothing of it...pumped some diesel fuel from the tank on back the truck...*now mind you hes like 20 miles + from the nerest place that sells diesel** and on his way out a few miles fromt he station got pulled over and fined for running "offroad" diesel in his pickup he tried to explain what happened...but that didnt work....
He never knew it was a crime and niether did i till then....
i just thought they could make an exception ya know.....but if they do for one they may have to do for all.......just kinda shi**y that it happend....
