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Posted by: swampyjunior
The money thing hit the nail on the head. When some guy uses his ATV to jump higher than the next guy and something breaks, it can't be abuse, and he is thinking he should not have to pay for for it, someone else should.
I think the definition of "abuse" as far as an ATV goes is as difficult to define as "normal wear and tear" is it not?
What exactly does "normal" wear mean any way? Does this mean that 2500miles in a year on your ATV is above normal? If it is Is is abuse? (even if its normal trail riding, flat ground no mud?)
I think I will have to ponder this while waiting for the superbowl hafltime show. Oh wait its not Janet Jackson never mind.
SJ
Posted by: Bear4570
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Originally posted by: trvman
i look at all the diffrent threads and what i find is that we as cat owners do alot of $itching when somthing breaks or go's wrong so what i want to do is try to get people to own up to there abuse and quit blaming cat, if you get bigger tires or jump 15 feet or swamp your bike why are you pushing the blame on cat. mabey if all the fragalent claims were done away with cat would have a better standing in the atv world and could lower there prices to compete with some of the others? not bashing anyone on the board but let's be honest.
I agree with you, Usually the abuser feels he no tougher on the equipment than others and refuse to believe that his standard of abuse is not normal.
Posted by: Bear4570
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Originally posted by: kvfcal
I don't know if you all have seen the AC commercial on the ATV magazine CH Versus, The AC add shows a AC quad going off a cliff and the stunt rider landing on the air bag. The quad they show HITTING the ground very hard and rolling, When it stops the director yells cut and says lets do it again. Then they roll the AC back onto it's tires and start it up and ride it off with no visual damage.
IS THIS TRUE? Can any quad go off a cliff and not be mangled and bent to hell? I would like to see that for myself personally before I buy that.
I have seen many quads roll over and even a very slow roll over causes a few bucks damage.
So anyone else seen this tv commercial? Is this true that Arctic Cat now makes this tough of a quad now?
I would be interested in a few of them if this is the case, because eveytime we go out riding, you can count that one of the kids or adults borrowing someone elses quad will bend, break or roll something and when the do it cost $$$$$
Maybe they should start buying thier own *^%#@#$%^
So now we are expected to believe commercials? img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0"> You probably believe campaign promises or the news media. It's a commercial, they lie or if you prefer exaggerate. These quads aren't even close to being indestructible. If your roll it over, flip it back wards, run into a tree or rock; you are going to bend and break things. It's called physics and it is like gravity, it always works, you can't fool it or cheat. I know because even at my advanced age, I still have done hundreds of dollars damage on a slow roll over (the saftey device is between your ears, if it looks dangerous it probably is). The rims on my wheels are bent to help, because physics works. I can count on not having anybody bend my quads because I'm not stupid enough to loan them to unqualified riders. If they get bent, the wife and I will have done it or maybe (in my case) has done it.
Posted by: Bear4570
Years ago isn't now. We have had a President lie under oath and walk away scott free, thanks to the liberals who don't care about truth or right or wrong, just power. Drug companies advertize perscription drugs on TV without the same problems drug pushers on the street have. So now there is no truth in anything anymore. Welcome to the 21st Century. img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif" border="0">
Posted by: Bear4570
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Originally posted by: oledad
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Originally posted by: Bear4570
Years ago isn't now. We have had a President lie under oath and walk away scott free, thanks to the liberals who don't care about truth or right or wrong, just power. Drug companies advertize perscription drugs on TV without the same problems drug pushers on the street have. So now there is no truth in anything anymore. Welcome to the 21st Century. img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif" border="0">
21st century? Political figures have always lied, and who had you rather get your drugs from, a FDA approved company or the guy who makes them in his bathtub of his trailer home? Truth in advertising still applies, or at least it should.
Doctors and the wrong drug each kill more people in this country than guns do every year. FDA isn't doing it's job at all or there wouldn't be as many drug recalls as there are now.
Posted by: Bear4570
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Originally posted by: oledad
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Originally posted by: Bear4570
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Originally posted by: oledad
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Originally posted by: Bear4570
Years ago isn't now. We have had a President lie under oath and walk away scott free, thanks to the liberals who don't care about truth or right or wrong, just power. Drug companies advertize perscription drugs on TV without the same problems drug pushers on the street have. So now there is no truth in anything anymore. Welcome to the 21st Century. img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif" border="0">
21st century? Political figures have always lied, and who had you rather get your drugs from, a FDA approved company or the guy who makes them in his bathtub of his trailer home? Truth in advertising still applies, or at least it should.
Doctors and the wrong drug each kill more people in this country than guns do every year. FDA isn't doing it's job at all or there wouldn't be as many drug recalls as there are now.
If your going to blame something take it to its root. it's all about MONEY
True , way to true.
Posted by: weez440
i beat the hell out of my fourwheelers. i have had excellent luck with the cat. i have seen people on other brands put theirs through the same punishing situations as i put mine without the same amount of luck. do i break my atv? i have in the past. do i blame my atv? no i don't i usually ask how to fix it if i don't know how or if i wanna make a certain part of the drivetrain stronger in order to withstand my certain amount of abuse. i can honestly say there are a few cases of people on this site blaming arctic cat for their quads not standing up and i have seen a couple of them being imposters who don't own an arctic cat trying to get people fired up. i am actually really suprised how calm this sight is compared to others i have observed and laughed at. as for the commercials, come on everyone knows that you can't use an atv as a wrecking ball it is common sense. only a complete idiot would believe that along with the toyota commercials they show of them pushing a new tundra off a cliff. i believe in truth in advertisement but it is a pretty thick line between that and something totally off the wall that makes us laugh. anyone with half a brain can tell the difference.
Posted by: oledad
I guess some might think, well its just a commercial, but if the company puts this type of ad out for us all to view and there were a few different ones, I saw the one about the AC being used as a wrecking ball to knock down a brick wall. Then why could you not argue that if something breaks in a much less violent way it should be covered under warranty? I remember years ago when VOLVO got sued over ads that showed their cars being built strong enough to stand up to being ran over by a monster truck. They didn't let the fact out that they had installed a full roll bar system in that car to withstand the impact and they lost the lawsuit filed by people whose Volvos crumpled in much less severe wrecks.
Posted by: oledad
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Originally posted by: Bear4570
Years ago isn't now. We have had a President lie under oath and walk away scott free, thanks to the liberals who don't care about truth or right or wrong, just power. Drug companies advertize perscription drugs on TV without the same problems drug pushers on the street have. So now there is no truth in anything anymore. Welcome to the 21st Century. img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif" border="0">
21st century? Political figures have always lied, and who had you rather get your drugs from, a FDA approved company or the guy who makes them in his bathtub of his trailer home? Truth in advertising still applies, or at least it should.
Posted by: oledad
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Originally posted by: Bear4570
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Originally posted by: oledad
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Originally posted by: Bear4570
Years ago isn't now. We have had a President lie under oath and walk away scott free, thanks to the liberals who don't care about truth or right or wrong, just power. Drug companies advertize perscription drugs on TV without the same problems drug pushers on the street have. So now there is no truth in anything anymore. Welcome to the 21st Century. img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif" border="0">
21st century? Political figures have always lied, and who had you rather get your drugs from, a FDA approved company or the guy who makes them in his bathtub of his trailer home? Truth in advertising still applies, or at least it should.
Doctors and the wrong drug each kill more people in this country than guns do every year. FDA isn't doing it's job at all or there wouldn't be as many drug recalls as there are now.
If your going to blame something take it to its root. it's all about MONEY
Posted by: Chumley
I can't say I see a lot of baseless whining on here. When I glance at the threads I see a lot of misc questions regarding "how do I"'s, "what's wrong with it"'s, and "have you ever"?'s.
I think the Cat section is one of the more calm sections of this forum.
Posted by: Bastosako
So is Yamaha. ...LOL
Posted by: buckaroo50
For the most part - yes, you may get a lemon once in a while - not much different than any other offerings.
Bottom line - people break machines - from misuse and abuse. You beat on anything then there is a good chance it will break. If people drove them more like they owned them and less like they stole them, then possibly they would have less issues.
My observation is that the ones with the most issues are trying to take the machine out of its element or design and trying to push the envelope with them.
Put large 26-27 and taller aggressive tires - dugh! more stress on entire driveline - something is going to give. Not just limited to tire mods but other mods also. If you have a 500 and want to go faster then get a 650... Trick out a 500 and sure, you probably will have problems.
I broke an axle, wasn't the machines fault. I changed tires and have aggressive tires - I hammered down on it in low range - the tires hooked up good and wham - broke an axle. Not the machines fault. Stock tires probably would have just spun.
Posted by: trvman
i look at all the diffrent threads and what i find is that we as cat owners do alot of $itching when somthing breaks or go's wrong so what i want to do is try to get people to own up to there abuse and quit blaming cat, if you get bigger tires or jump 15 feet or swamp your bike why are you pushing the blame on cat. mabey if all the fragalent claims were done away with cat would have a better standing in the atv world and could lower there prices to compete with some of the others? not bashing anyone on the board but let's be honest.
Posted by: v2rider
I see this post was brought back to life from a while back. Arctic Cat makes a very good , durable atv AND sled , IMO. I havnt had any real issues with them at all.
Posted by: kvfcal
I don't know if you all have seen the AC commercial on the ATV magazine CH Versus, The AC add shows a AC quad going off a cliff and the stunt rider landing on the air bag. The quad they show HITTING the ground very hard and rolling, When it stops the director yells cut and says lets do it again. Then they roll the AC back onto it's tires and start it up and ride it off with no visual damage.
IS THIS TRUE? Can any quad go off a cliff and not be mangled and bent to hell? I would like to see that for myself personally before I buy that.
I have seen many quads roll over and even a very slow roll over causes a few bucks damage.
So anyone else seen this tv commercial? Is this true that Arctic Cat now makes this tough of a quad now?
I would be interested in a few of them if this is the case, because eveytime we go out riding, you can count that one of the kids or adults borrowing someone elses quad will bend, break or roll something and when the do it cost $$$$$
Maybe they should start buying thier own *^%#@#$%^
Posted by: catdude
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So now we are expected to believe commercials? You probably believe campaign promises or the news media
hehehehe BR>
I treat my bike like one of my family --- with the upmost respect
Posted by: yearmax
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Originally posted by: Bear4570
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Originally posted by: trvman
i look at all the diffrent threads and what i find is that we as cat owners do alot of $itching when somthing breaks or go's wrong so what i want to do is try to get people to own up to there abuse and quit blaming cat, if you get bigger tires or jump 15 feet or swamp your bike why are you pushing the blame on cat. mabey if all the fragalent claims were done away with cat would have a better standing in the atv world and could lower there prices to compete with some of the others? not bashing anyone on the board but let's be honest.
I agree with you, Usually the abuser feels he no tougher on the equipment than others and refuse to believe that his standard of abuse is not normal.
I agree with you as well but this is not only with cat but with any product. It seems that is it breaks the frist thing that is said is "I didn't do it" . I guess there is the misconception that it should last forever no matter what. Well take care of it and it will.
I won't say that I have not done the same a time or two so yes I am guilty of this as well. I guess with that said I seem to be the frist to pony up ... Anyone else ... ?
Posted by: yearmax
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Originally posted by: catdude
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So now we are expected to believe commercials? You probably believe campaign promises or the news media
hehehehe BR>
I treat my bike like one of my family --- with the upmost respect hr>
I tried that and and the wife and kids got jealous...LOL I treat me well none the less.
Posted by: booboobear
must not be that bad brad, you have 3 cats and 1 is newer than the 03, i believe you will always get 1 bad apple out of the bunch, its not a perfect world, if it were, we wouldnt have this forum to ask questions or get advice from other ppl
Posted by: greencat700efi
I have rolled mine down a hill 50 to 75 foot it landed on its tires and I drove away . I was shook up but impressed my buddy said if it was his polaris iy would have been junk.
Posted by: brad_smalley
well u r right about some people doin that but i have a 2003 ac 400 atomatic at 550 miles the transimission went out out 600 the stator and now at 653 miles it blows white smoke when i start it and it has never been jumped or in overa foot of mud so there is no one else to blme but arctic cat. i also have a ac 2002 250 and 2005 500 the 250 has 15000 mils not one promblem and the 500 has 3200 miles and not one promblem
Posted by: dosceola
Sorry fellas but Artic cat used to make quality sleds, but now they make assembley line junk. but I'm not saying polaris or honda or any others do it diffrent but quality is key. I'm hard on my rides but I also fix em. and when things that should be ok break i say its polaris using crap parts,manfac, whatever. but it's common wear parts that i say bummer gotta order this or that.
And if u guys happy with cats, cool beans its yours not mine. and all those how tos and whats wrong or have u evers come more or less with rider. it's same everywhere just depends on whos riding it.
Posted by: STRAIGHTUPDAHILL
it flew for about 70 feet from 50 feet high and survived like you see
Originally posted by: kvfcal
I don't know if you all have seen the AC commercial on the ATV magazine CH Versus, The AC add shows a AC quad going off a cliff and the stunt rider landing on the air bag. The quad they show HITTING the ground very hard and rolling, When it stops the director yells cut and says lets do it again. Then they roll the AC back onto it's tires and start it up and ride it off with no visual damage.
IS THIS TRUE? Can any quad go off a cliff and not be mangled and bent to hell? I would like to see that for myself personally before I buy that.
I have seen many quads roll over and even a very slow roll over causes a few bucks damage.
So anyone else seen this tv commercial? Is this true that Arctic Cat now makes this tough of a quad now?
I would be interested in a few of them if this is the case, because eveytime we go out riding, you can count that one of the kids or adults borrowing someone elses quad will bend, break or roll something and when the do it cost $$$$$
Maybe they should start buying thier own *^%#@#$%^
Posted by: STRAIGHTUPDAHILL
I'LL STICK WITH MY WARRIOR..;-)
Posted by: STRAIGHTUPDAHILL
IT'S A SNOWMOBILE COMPANY...LOL
