Bombardier 800?

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Posted by: Bear4570

Is that a Bombardier 800 or a Can-Am you are talking about? 90mph is a flat out lie, even with 800cc. 90kph easy, but 90mph takes way more horsepower than a normally aspirated 800cc, even with EFI is gonna produce on pump gas. Maybe with enough compression (14 to 1) to require 105-110 octane racing gas, but pump gas; just not gonna happen.

Posted by: Bear4570

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Originally posted by: mudfriendly
It may be Can-am, bear. Are'nt they the same company? Anyway, I thought it sounded a little crazy, but this is what the guy claimed. I'd have to see it to believe it. 90 mph on a four stroke 4x4 seems impossible.

Can-Am split off from Bomb to do their own thing. I though I read somewhere where the family want to do their own little thing and created Can-Am seperate of everything else. Cause I'm pretty sure that BRP owns Bomb. But I see that ATV Connection says that Can-Am and BRP are the same, but the survey I took yesterday said they were seperate. Who really knows anymore.

Posted by: WIDS650

I am new to this web site and don't really know anything about it but i have a question about my DS650? My axle bearings ahve gone out on my a couple of times and i was wondering if anybody had any tricks about replacing them because i dont know to much about them. My DS is a 2000 if that helps. Thanks. Jon

Posted by: Catterman

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Originally posted by: OneFlyCowboy
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Originally posted by: v2rider
I will rephrase. Ive never seen a STOCK quad, and cant believe a STOCK quad will go that fast, except in the back of a truck

My brother was tellin me he got the outty over 90 the other day on a long downhil straight stretch on our ranch..

Duckmen?????

Posted by: Catterman

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Originally posted by: wcs
earlier in the thread some one asked how they would do with 28" rubber . they do great we have several running on 27 and 28 tires . they have no trouble at all . for a real story on the mud capablity check out mus and dirt .com . john cannon took his to the mud nats and rocked the house this year . he ran 29.5 outlaws on his 800 .

by the way the 800 will top at at the same speed if you run 26" or 28" rubber . the computor is smart enough to know . my 800 runs 26" my buddies identical 800 runs 27" bighorns and we top out at the same speed side by side . i just get there quicker with the 26" rubber . i hope this helps . any other questions feel free to ask .

Hey wcs, what do those guys who run 26"+ tires do to compinsate for the visco-loc? I heard that the 800 can turn the large tires just fine, but there 4x4 system slips. What do you know about this????

Posted by: 700vtwinman

Weather it will go over 80mph or not doesn't matter to me. But when someone tops theirs out, I would like to be there. All it takes is a twich or a small rock at that speed to wreck and then the funeral plans start. I guess after having herinated disk in my neck I like a slower pase, like below 50mph. But, hey that is just me at middle age. Well, I guess 5 days away from 40 is middle age....LOL. Well, have fun riding those rockets and be careful. We in the atv world don't like to hear about one of our own dying.

Posted by: OneFlyCowboy

Bear with the bigger tires on that bike it will actually hit speeds in excess of 100 mph. They are talkin about the race prepped can am outty. wich is lightend, cammed, piped fuel and air mods increased compression and clutching.. It flat out gets with the program.

Posted by: OneFlyCowboy

Another thing with that quad.. the front drive shafts have been removed so its really only a 2x4. it has long travel suspenders and it flat out rips.. oh yeah i said that already

Posted by: OneFlyCowboy

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Originally posted by: v2rider
I will rephrase. Ive never seen a STOCK quad, and cant believe a STOCK quad will go that fast, except in the back of a truck

My brother was tellin me he got the outty over 90 the other day on a long downhil straight stretch on our ranch..

Posted by: OneFlyCowboy

get on a long 15% grade and pin the throttle and see what happens

Posted by: MrDumass

Isnt it featured in one of the magazines this month? Why is it so hard to believe that it will do 90+? Its a monster of a motor to start with, and I have seen first hand these quads getting modded enough to beat some 450's in drags. Its not all that far fetched if you really think about it.

Posted by: raidermike67

Stock it will do 78-80 MPH depending on conditions and surface. With some mod's might reach 90 MPH but WHY? Even at 70 I feel it's going too fast.

Posted by: raidermike67

Mike? Have you had any problems are complaints? I was just wondering about the durability of the bike. Don't know much about Can-am, but am I wrong or aren't they made by bombardier?
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This is actually my second Outlander, my first was a 330 and started to salivate when the 800 was released on basically the same platform with a few adjustments made to compensate for the extra power and weight.

I've had my 800 for only a month but had my 330 for two years with ZERO mechanical problems that weren't rider/owner related. My biggest issue was I kept getting flats.

Well I did have a loose battery connection cause me some problems but I don't relate that to the quality of the quad but my own fault for not checking the connection more closely, I added a couple of extra straps to it to make sure it stays in place.

Posted by: raidermike67

The Bombardier family and some private capital firms purchased the "recreation" division from Bombardier inc, this included Ski Doo, Sea Doo, Bombardier ATV's, Johnson, Evinrude, Rotax, Lynx etc.....the new company was named BRP, I do believe the name change was a legal agreement with Bombardier Inc. since BRP was now a seperate company they didn't have legal right to the Bombardier "brand". Can Am is just another brand from BRP just like Ski Doo and Sea Doo.

Two seperate companies completely now with no affiliation with one another.

Posted by: raidermike67

you guys must be swelling the tires because there is a 8100 rpm rev limiter set on the machine. most are only hitting 80 - 84 mile an hour tops, stock. i have 2 buddys with the stage 1 wood rotax kits and they are both running IDENTICAL and revving out at 81 mph, but they are also doing that in a little less than 1/4 mile with the carlile badlands 26'ers.
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This what you said..........What exactly did you mean? I've had my 800 over 70 and still pulling but I have my doubts it will reach 80-84.....at a slight downhill grade probably, but on a level surface I have my doubts and don't feel there is any real need to go that fast unless you are on the border patrol and are chasing illegal immigrants

Posted by: JimJa

I'm lucky I guess because I own both - AC 650V and Can-Am 800 Max. Love them both, but for different reasons. The AC is a work horse. Use it for towing, dragging, hauling, etc. The bomb is just plain mean (in a nice way). As a two-up machine it's great. In the summer I live at 7,500'. The AC is jetted for that altitude and both get pretty close to the same fuel economy. The bomb is blindingly fast and will pull strong from almost any reasonable speed. Both machines are stable at 50-55MPH but clearly the Bomb has a lot more left at that speed. Plenty fast enough for me.

Problems. Both machines are '06 models. The AC (1,200 miles) had what I believe to be an incomplete flush at engine build and shortly after purchase required a new rear head, cam and cam cover. Obviously a piece of metal scored the cam bearing surface. It's fine now. I added a new Dynatec CDI module, red and black clutch springs, tightened the belt and installed a sway bar. It's fine now and suits me and the riding I do. Still tippy but that's the price of high CG. The Bomb (1,000 miles) has heat issues. I've melted the underside of the seat and am awaiting the factory heat shield "fix." The ride is also much better, but the AC is a work horse. The tires on both are less than I would like. The Bomb's tires have weak tread face and I've had more punctures with them than any other tires I've ever owned. The AC OEM tires (Goodyear) roll under in corners and I don't like them very well either, but will not change them until they wear out.

Cost. Got a great deal on the AC and also on the Bomb. I shopped the internet for the Bomb and saved a lot of money. Enough to make it worthwhile to drive over three hours to pick it up. I live in San Diego in the winter and the local dealer wanted $1,200 ABOVE MSRP for the Bomb. That market adjustment thing I refuse to pay. I told them when they got done using recreational drugs to give me a call...I'm still waiting. The dealer I bought from told me last week he cannot keep an 800 in his shop. Lots of 650s (mostly yellow), but all his incoming 800s are spoken for. I asked him the difference between the 650 and 800. The Hp is only 7 or 8 less and the 650 seems like a good deal, better giving the savings over the 800. He said the biggest difference you can feel is the torque. The 800 has it in spades. I've never ridden the 650 so can't say. I do know the 800's power is addicting. Always nice to have all the power you need on tap anytime you want it - at any reasonable speed. Riding two-up is effortless and the extra WB isn't noticeable. In fact the machine is more stable than the short WB model. I bought a winch for it on e-bay (Gorilla) for an out the door price (including tax - I picked it up) of $105. The dealer mount was $33. It works fine. I'm very impressed and the company is greata to work with. 6 mo warranty. I really wanted to buy a Warn because I like buying American and believe I should, but just couldn't justify the cost difference.

I like the 650's front locker much better than the Bomb's Visco Lok. The Visco is, for the most part, a limited slip. One front wheel must slip before the other will engage. Bigger tires only make the amount of slippage more pronounced. On slippery surfaces such as mud, snow, or ice, this is not a problem, but if you ride hard pack trails you will be dissapointed. Obviously there is a trade-off between steering effort and the amount of slippage dialed in at the factory and for most situtations the way it is, is okay, but big tired units that ride extreme will not like it much.

I'd like a few more "cubby" holes to store odds and ends - on both machines, but the AC's "glove box" in front of the seat is nice. I also like Honda's cubby in the fender. Something like that would be good also as would something like the Po-Po's front storage box, although the should fire the engineer that designed it - excellent idea, very poorly designed. Can't really carry much because of the odd shape of it.

As for top speed. At any speed either of these machines will do, well, if you have an accident you're dead. Nice for bragging rights, not much use other wise.

Posted by: wcs

the 800 can / brp will top out at 80 to 81 mph or 8100 rpms which ever is reached first . any reading higher means you need to have the speedo calibrated .
brp ( bombardier recreational products ) owns can am 100% they are one company can am is a devision ( the atv devision ) of brp . brp seperated from the transportaion company bombardier in i beleave 2005 . brp also owns sea doo & ski doo & johson / evenrude .
most speedo's will show 78 to 79 as as top reached speed but when gps and radared the will hit 80 to 81 on flat ground . the modded ron woods kit 800's top out at the same 80 to 81 they just get there quicker and maintain it better .

Posted by: wcs

earlier in the thread some one asked how they would do with 28" rubber . they do great we have several running on 27 and 28 tires . they have no trouble at all . for a real story on the mud capablity check out mus and dirt .com . john cannon took his to the mud nats and rocked the house this year . he ran 29.5 outlaws on his 800 .

by the way the 800 will top at at the same speed if you run 26" or 28" rubber . the computor is smart enough to know . my 800 runs 26" my buddies identical 800 runs 27" bighorns and we top out at the same speed side by side . i just get there quicker with the 26" rubber . i hope this helps . any other questions feel free to ask .

Posted by: wcs

good advise v twin man - its amazing how the 800's fel very stable on hard pack or asphalt at 80 . my max 800 feels like you are on a big cruiser road bike at that speed . on gavel is another story anything over 55mph is squirly in the loose stuff . i found it helps to run 4x4 on the gravel roads to help stabilize the front steering at speeds 50 and up

Posted by: wcs

hey bbr650 boys dont discount the can 650 either it will fool you badly . i can vouch for a few losses to bbr650's little yellow rocket in the loose sand .

Posted by: wcs

there is no slip in the 4x4 at all ! we do sled pulls all summer the sled is 3500 lbs and will torque a frame so bad on a honda they cant even pull the sled 60 to 70 ' . these can 800's and 650's do not slip at all . we run 27" mud gear tires on then by inova they measure 28" with 3lbs of air and are a full 12.5" wide . we put them all the way around the quad .

they are not a cheep quad at all but they are the hummer of the atv world . you will have to stick to msrp in our area if you want one .

Posted by: wcs

bbr650 you are on the money !! it would take almost 12,000 to set one up like mine is with all the toys i have for it .

Posted by: 2bulls78

I'm not too sure but as I read it that Bomb just simply wanted to bring the can am name and quality back.

As for the speed of the outy 800 I know first hand that the speedometer on my friends hit a max of 84mph, but when verified by GPS it was 86mph. Thats totally stock. So 90mph is very possible.

Posted by: TPR

Stock, I don't think you can get close to 90...remap the efi, do some motor breathing work, different tires, 90 becomes easy to reach.

There is a lot of room for that motor to grow. The Outty they tested in Dirty Wheels clocked at 90 with 80HP. That was a reduction due to smaller diameter test tires, plus they forgot the radar gun so a stock truck was used. The truck and outlander hit 90, tben the outty pulled away. They decided to call it 90 for now.

Proper setup will get you over 100mph easy.

TPR

Posted by: Chumley

Might I suggest the BRP section of this forum?

ATV Connection BRP Forum

Posted by: Chumley

I hit 72 with about a 35mph wind and a slight downhill slope. Otherwise it was 65mph when I was stock, 63 now with the different clutch springs.

Posted by: v2rider

Thats the first quad ive ever heard of going 80mph. I would have to see that on a radar run to believe it

Posted by: v2rider

I will rephrase. Ive never seen a STOCK quad, and cant believe a STOCK quad will go that fast, except in the back of a truck

Posted by: v2rider

Ive hit 70 plenty of times on my V2

Posted by: MUDSPY

ther was quad drags out here an 800 canam beat everything hits 86 mph on gps i would have to own one to see if it can put up with 28 muddzillas and all the mud and water i go through with my cat because this stuff is hard on the quads and one day ill sell my 2005 500 le cat and buy a 650 bomber and that way i have a 650 cat 2006 and a 650 bomber and ill post the results

Posted by: mudfriendly

I'm an Arctic Cat man myself, but our local dealer sells Bombardier products as well as Arctic Cats. That thing looks awesome and the guy said it would do every bit of the 90 MPH on the speedo, but I don't know. That seems a little farfetched for a 4x4. Have any of you guys ridden one? If so, what's it really like?

Posted by: mudfriendly

It may be Can-am, bear. Are'nt they the same company? Anyway, I thought it sounded a little crazy, but this is what the guy claimed. I'd have to see it to believe it. 90 mph on a four stroke 4x4 seems impossible.

Posted by: mudfriendly

That's hard to believe. They just keep getting bigger and badder. I guess it'll never end as long as people keep buyin' em'.How long have you had yours, Mike? Have you had any problems are complaints? I was just wondering about the durability of the bike. Don't know much about Can-am, but am I wrong or aren't they made by bombardier?

Posted by: mudfriendly

Come Again???

Posted by: mudfriendly

What's the price tag on this thing where you guys are from? I think down here the guy said it was like $9200 + tax, title, etc. Probably around ten grand after it's all said and done.

Posted by: KyleSmithInRichboro

i personally think it compares to a 90cc ten-stroke...

it's quite speedy, but very unreliable

Posted by: BBR650

the piped and intaked ones are faster.

Posted by: BBR650

im talking they are topping out like that on flat and level ground. once you get them above 75 they start to fall off and dont pull as hard as they do below 70mph. the rotax kit is bringing the torque and hp curve up an carring it out longer letting them hit revlimmiter in a short distance on flat and level ground.

Posted by: BBR650

it depends wheather you buy an xt or not xt, non xt 800 (correct me if im wrong wcs) is $8800 xt package is another 700$ thats better tires frt and rear bumpers, 2500lb warn winch and hand gaurds.

Posted by: apowder97

I do know my 650 V2 hit 70 the other day with the wind at my back on a 2 mile stretch of highway.

Posted by: mikesg

I have to say. I saw my first Bombardier 800 perform this past weekend. I parked my grizzly 660 after seeing this thing run and just watched the show. I watched it run through some ankle deep mud racing two banshees and he beat them both in two wheel drive. Of course that isn't meaning much but this thing runs like a sport bike.... it had all the axles and I watched him put it in four wheel drive, but I don't see where it is needed. It is a very fast bike.. unbelievably fast for a 4x quad. I think it was a 450 banshee and not sure what the other one was, but he beat them both in the soft mud, and on dry land from 0-40mph (thats about all the room there was).. I didn't talk to the guy so I dunno if it was stock or not, I just enjoyed the show.

It is one MEAN ASS machine if it was stock.