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Posted by: Bear4570
Your ability to handle problems is absolutely amazing!
Posted by: Bear4570
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Originally posted by: 7mm
I'm not sure, but was that a shot Bear ?
See, I said you had preception.
Posted by: Bear4570
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Originally posted by: 7mm
Bear I'm not really sure why you feel compelled to shoot me down? All I was trying to say was the problems I had and how the dealer helped me to remedy this problem, which was obviously the tires. Some people are having troubles with these tires, if you dont thats fine but don't try to humiliate someone by cutting down their post.
I find it had to believe that the only cure you could find was to get different tires. I am still on the stock tires on my 400 with over 1300 miles (tough winter or it would be closer to 2000 miles) since November of 2004 and the only leaks have been from blackbearry stickers (cured by slime) and right now I have a rim bent so bad that the slime can't seal it. But all those leaks were my fault and I just find it hard to believe that you got 4 bad tires. If there were a bad batch of tires there would be a recall. I still don't understand your refusing to use the slime. I know some real hard core riders that travel in the way outback country thru some real rough stuff and they slime first and not worry anymore about tires except for major failures. But also if you are gonna run with the big dogs here you need to not be quite so thinned skin. If you think I was humiliating you, then life has some real surprises waiting for you in the future.
Posted by: Bear4570
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Originally posted by: 7mm
Bear the reasons I did not want to use slime and changed tires are,
1- the tires are new and should not just dump the air and go flat instantly . Could be very dangerous as I have kids that ride also
2-The tireshops around here hate slime whenever they have to fix a tire and charge you more to get it fixed.
3- If I or anyone else had just bought a NEW truck or car or something with NEW tires on it and the tires just kept going flat for no aparent reason as they didnt have any holes in them and was still on warranty, would'nt you want that dealer to come good for it and remedy the problem rather than put a aftermarket bandaid on the problem.
I simply had enough of these tires as I tried everything the dealer and tireshops had asked of me. They were stumped also. They looked at the tires when they came off and they said it was like there were very fine cuts almost like stress tears at the bead, and it was not because they were abused and the dealer could see this. He would not have shipped them to Cat warranty depot if he didnt agree something was wrong.
You have lots of good information, keep it up! I dont want to start or finish a fight, I just want to pass on information.......Keep the shiney side up!
My grand kids ride my quads and slime is a safety feature, not a bandaid cure for a problem. The tire shops hating slime is pure BS. The stuff just washes off with plain water and if the shop is unaware of this and charges more, I would trade elsewhere. If what you say is true about the tire beads, then one of two things. The tires were bad from the manufacture of installed improperly and the beads ruined then. Half of the problem you and I are having is your incomplete reporting of what went on with the tires. But to compare a set of new truck tires to your quad tires is an apples and orange comparison. You don't take a new truck the places you would take a new quad. If slime was so bad, why does Arctic Cat have the stuff under their own label in the accessory catalog? What we have had is a minor disagreement. You don't wanna fight with an old dog, "Old age and treachery will out do youth and enthusiasum everytime". I am glad your problem was solved. As to the shiney side up. I wish, but when I ride I sometimes I let my enthusiasum (or maybe the brain just stops working) overrides my common sense. My 2005 400 has been upside down twice already, interestingly the 250 never has.
Posted by: Bear4570
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Originally posted by: 7mm
I think slime is meant for holes in a tire not for the problem I was having with the bead.
Slime will stop any leak as long as air moves from inside to outside the tire, thriugh a hole. the bead, valve stem. If the air doesn't move then you don't have a leak. I have 3 rims bent to the point of needing replacement, badly and not a leak one on the beads. I am beginning to think there is a bad batch of tires out there.
Posted by: Bear4570
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Originally posted by: Wilburnga
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Badlands are JUNK ! Sorry if I had ofended anyone who has them and likes them and never had a problem ....maybe it was a bad lot or something I dont know.
Yes they are. To get a good ride out of them you have to run them at around 3 or 4 PSI. Then if you ride hard they will pop off the bead and to keep them on the bead you have to run 15 PSI or so and anything will stick in them. The only thing the green slim will do is make them pop off the bead quicker. I guess for someone who rides around in the rest home parking lot or sub division they are good tires. I was looking at the Executioners but ended up getting a set of ITP Mud Lites. I changed mine out after around 800 miles and 30 + flats , have had the Mud Lites on for around 500 now with no flats and no beads popping off.
Interesting that you say that. Mine have 1300 miles and I run 5psi, never popped one off of any of the rims and the only had two flats, both time I was pulling blackberry bushed and slime solved those. As I said before I have 3 rims so badly bent they are non-repairable but don't leak at the rims and two of them do not have anything but air in them.
Posted by: weez440
oh come on guys give bear a break he may be an old contankerous guy but he is a good guy and gives great advice he will grow on ya. as for the badlands i agree they are JUNK i had mine for about 50 miles and they went flying off my wheeler and never looked back. the handling is way better and the badlands yes i could see them being good for rock crawling but they weren't very good in the mud and didn't have them long enough to test them in the snow. for your average rider they are probably fine but well alot of people demand alot from their atv and other then getting a winch i would say get a good set of tires is the first step to making a great atv for all conditions. with an atv that sits as high as arctic cat i can't brag enough of the 6-ply. i dunno if the executioners are but i am glad you like them
Posted by: weez440
hey rango 726 if you and your wife ever seperate would you mind sending her my way? thats my kind of woman. you are a lucky man
Posted by: Hoopie
i made it 150 miles on my stock tires and had two flats fixed with tubes in the rear and the fronts would leak slowly also. not to mention they sucked in the mud. the name should be changed to badtires. I put on mudlight xtr's and no more flats, leaks, tears, or being stuck in the mud. any aftermarket 6 ply tire or radial is going to WAY better than the stocks.
Posted by: 7mm
I had been having many problems with my stock 06 500 tires . They kept loosing or should I say dumping the air as I was driving. The front was worse than the back. This happened 20-25 times in 230+-miles. Complained about this on a old thread and many people said put "slime" in my tires. I had a problem with this as I just spent alot of money for a quad with new tires that should hold flippen air! Told dealer about this and they said to re-bead them,so I did that.still went flat. The only way to keep tires up while driving was to keep like 14-15 psi in them, and they would still go down day to day. So dealer changed all 4 on warranty, great right cuz all I ask is for a Quad that I can drive after spending this much money. I got a buddy to pick them up for me when I went to get them from his place to put them on so I could plow some snow, one front one is already flat. So by this time I am loosing it, not to mention my wife ( you married guys know what I mean)! Talked to dealer , made a deal on some Kenda Executioners. 27 inchers. Put 80 miles on these so far and no flats sitting or driving. Bye the way these tires are great. gave me just shy of 14 in. of clearance and great traction. Any one who see's them has gotta love their bead protector. So long of the short I think Badlands are JUNK ! Sorry if I had ofended anyone who has them and likes them and never had a problem ....maybe it was a bad lot or something I dont know.
Posted by: 7mm
I'm not sure, but was that a shot Bear ?
Posted by: 7mm
Bear I'm not really sure why you feel compelled to shoot me down? All I was trying to say was the problems I had and how the dealer helped me to remedy this problem, which was obviously the tires. Some people are having troubles with these tires, if you dont thats fine but don't try to humiliate someone by cutting down their post.
Posted by: 7mm
So far so good . Got into some deep hard snow with the plow and chewed my way out quite well. With the other ones I would have been digging with a shovel. Everything I have read about them on other forums is good. Can't wait for summer to try them in some mud
Posted by: 7mm
Bear the reasons I did not want to use slime and changed tires are,
1- the tires are new and should not just dump the air and go flat instantly . Could be very dangerous as I have kids that ride also
2-The tireshops around here hate slime whenever they have to fix a tire and charge you more to get it fixed.
3- If I or anyone else had just bought a NEW truck or car or something with NEW tires on it and the tires just kept going flat for no aparent reason as they didnt have any holes in them and was still on warranty, would'nt you want that dealer to come good for it and remedy the problem rather than put a aftermarket bandaid on the problem.
I simply had enough of these tires as I tried everything the dealer and tireshops had asked of me. They were stumped also. They looked at the tires when they came off and they said it was like there were very fine cuts almost like stress tears at the bead, and it was not because they were abused and the dealer could see this. He would not have shipped them to Cat warranty depot if he didnt agree something was wrong.
You have lots of good information, keep it up! I dont want to start or finish a fight, I just want to pass on information.......Keep the shiney side up!
Posted by: 7mm
Rango 726, I got a new set of Badlands on warranty, but the Kendas I had to give tradeins plus a couple hundred bucks, taxes and install included. I know exactly how you feel about slowing everyone else down I was getting sick of being called the "flat cat". I think slime is meant for holes in a tire not for the problem I was having with the bead. Yes I did have a fair bit of problem getting them changed but my dealer was trying to keep me running. Are you noticing these flat when you are in trails turning and putting stress on your bead or just going pretty much strait? Mine happened lots more in the trails when weight transfered to a outside tire and when it was cold.
Posted by: 7mm
glad to see that you are acknowledging that there might be a problem here Bear as in a bad batch of tires. I was surprized that slime would not help Rango . I didnt use it cuz I didnt feel I should have to. It is also apparent that not all the badlands are doing this and you are happy with them, RIGHT ON I'm happy you got what you payed for . Its also appparent that it was the tires as my new ones dont have any problems, and if we complain to the dealers and warranty enough maybe this will be a recognized fault in a certain lot or lots. As for slime bear there will come a time when I will need it, and I will get it. I just dont think you should HAVE TO USE IT on new tires and rims to keep them from dumping air under normal use ,nothing crazy
Posted by: RobGonz
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Originally posted by: rango726
i was having the same problem was loosing air on my second trip out but not having the cash to put up for tires plus the wife would have killed me
this is why im afraid to get married... if i were you guys i would have told my wife im gettin these new tires wether you like it or not. im serious too. im not a b!tch a$$
Posted by: 450kodman
keep us posted on your performance with those executioners- i am thinking of getting them as my next tire
Posted by: kaptap
7MM - Thanks for the taking the time to post about the new tires. I'm new to ATVs and just got my first one in December. Posts like yours are really helping me understand what to look for.
Bear - Lighten up! The negative replies you've made the last week or so are becoming annoying. Your technical advice is great, but your sarchasim isn't.
Posted by: trvman
this sounds funny because i have them on my 06trv and havent had a prob. with them, they seem to work well in the mud,snow and on hard pack granted i only have 250 miles on them but on my 03trv i had dunlop tires and they were pulled off at 400 miles because of lousey tread and bad handling.
Posted by: rango726
i was having the same problem was loosing air on my second trip out but not having the cash to put up for tires plus the wife would have killed me but i used slime i didnt want to but it worked so far i put 50 or 50 miles on them like this and there good i think the badlands are a great rockcrawling tire they have gotten me through everything i needed but loosing air seems to be a trend for these
Posted by: rango726
7mm i am having the same problem ive gone with slime like i said in a past post and now ive had all my tires re seated buy the local shop using bead sealer and it just keeps happening it happened again yesterday while just riding a flat dirt road i have 250 miles on my bike its a month old and im sick of having to slow everyone down because of the tires how did you get your dealer to replace your tires was it like pulling teeth thanks for your time
Posted by: rango726
it first started with with a little side wall pressure but as far as im concerned not enough to have done that and the last trip out was just easy riding straight i had the wife on the back so i couldnt push it but it seems more when im in a trail making the tires work a bit but its annoyingthe bike is unstopable until these week tires give way i just dont think i should be loosing air every time out ecxept for one and i also dont have the cash for new tires and dont feel i should have to
Posted by: rango726
hey gonz its not a bit$% a$$ as you say see my wife bought me my 06 cat 400 for my birth day with out me even knowing she knew i wanted it but still thats pretty damn cool in my book. also my wife bought me my winch without me knowing still pretty cool oh and also my rack bag without me knowing.... yeah cool so to run out and spend 4-500 $$ would be a bit rediculouse and also i own a house a truck a car a quad a boat and plenty more and they need to be payed for. so its not being a bit$% A$$ its called i like being able to drive to work especially on these 4 degree days and come home to my home but i see what your saying i should let my electricity go out and my wife go hungry so i can get some new rubber for my bike.... definately...... good idea ill get new tires but not when my bike is a month old when i need them ill get them
Posted by: rango726
thanks weez
Posted by: rango726
well i tried to get the dealer to replace my tires but to no prevail its not worth trying harder since these tires are weak i went riding again yesterday and 10 minutes in flat again so i limped her home and just bought the new mudlite xl i hear great things hopefully its true i hated to have to buy new tires but i got all four for $230 on ebay free shipping too so im keeping my fingers crossed that the flats go away
Posted by: Wilburnga
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Badlands are JUNK ! Sorry if I had ofended anyone who has them and likes them and never had a problem ....maybe it was a bad lot or something I dont know.
Yes they are. To get a good ride out of them you have to run them at around 3 or 4 PSI. Then if you ride hard they will pop off the bead and to keep them on the bead you have to run 15 PSI or so and anything will stick in them. The only thing the green slim will do is make them pop off the bead quicker. I guess for someone who rides around in the rest home parking lot or sub division they are good tires. I was looking at the Executioners but ended up getting a set of ITP Mud Lites. I changed mine out after around 800 miles and 30 + flats , have had the Mud Lites on for around 500 now with no flats and no beads popping off.
Posted by: Muddedprairie
If any of you guys have 2 frt tires stk size 25/8/12 that you want to sell let me now... I'm going to put them on my bosses polaris. Thanks Guys.
MArk
