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Posted by: WhoDatInDaMud
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Originally posted by: hotdog
...but most of the time your not going to have two on it..also the TBX model which is the same bike with a dump box has the locker...why would one be unsafe and not the other ?
I don't know anyone who would promote going where you need a locker with a passenger hanging on for dear life. Take off the pax and add a box - now your making decisions for your own butt.
I can say from first hand expereince that the TRV is cabable of going places without a locker that would be measured as a serious breech of pax consideration. And... the TRV goes places the others with lockers can't go. Been there - watched that - towed thier butts out....lol Seriously - must be something to do with weight distrbution and wheel base. Side hill, a little snow.... 45 degrees all the way down the hill side...doh!
Posted by: WhoDatInDaMud
I wouldn't mind a 800cc machine but not a bomber. Why they made a two up machine 2 inches narrower then the other 2ups (AC and Polaris) when we pretty much all agree that wider is better I cant even begin to explain. And how are we to compare the MRP rackage to the bomber or polaris. Are those plastic racks on the bomb? I think polaris has a start with thier new rack attachment system but they need to expand on the attachable accessories. I carry a huge load of added on gear with my 500's if I needed something in the $10,000+ arena that did more - it would say JEEP on the front of it and be legal on the roads as well.
Posted by: MUDDY4LIFE
I dont buy into the wheelbase thing.I think thats just what the dealership will tell you to justify selling a TRV without having a front locker.
I own the big 800 from Bombardier and its the 2-seater version. I would not dream of buying another 4x4 if it did not have the capability to lock up the front wheels in the serious terrain[already been there once],ESPECIALLY the 2-up version.My 800 Max is only 8 inches LONGER than the single seat 800 and turning has not been an issue.And ADDING another rider with weight being distributed towards the rear of the ATV,only adds justification that it would be more benifical to have both front wheels turning with power in the serious muck.
It's my bet that A/C will soon add a front locker to their TRV line-up in the very NEAR future!
Posted by: MUDDY4LIFE
QUOTE*** wouldn't mind a 800cc machine but not a bomber. Why they made a two up machine 2 inches narrower then the other 2ups (AC and Polaris) when we pretty much all agree that wider is better I cant even begin to explain END OF QUOTE***
For MY riding style and the tight and twisty trails we have in Michigan,wider is not better. And the Polaris ATVs are completely out of the question for me because of the extra weight of them versus anything else in its same class. And quite frankly, the A/C TRV has NEVER appealed to me in the least bit. To be honest,I've been ''eyeing'' the 2-seaters for 3-4 years and until the new 800 Bomb,there was absolutely NOTHING that even remotely caught my eye in the 2-up line up.
I never keep stock tires on ANY 4x4 I have ever owned.They are all junk IMO..With this in mind,I knew when I ordered the BRP 800,that I was going to install the new XTR 27 inch radials..I did NOT plan on changing the factory rims,but when the ATV was finally delieverd,the stock rims were so darn UGLY, I decided to buy the ITP C-7 series rims to compliment the XTR tires..This made my ATV 50 1/2 inches wide. I dont care for this extra 4 inches of width in the least bit and am contiplating having the stock rims powdercoated and finished in red to bring me back to 47 inches in width.
Wider is not for everyones riding style,including mine.The factory 46 inch width that comes with the Bomb 800,really complimented the 50 inch trails we have here in Michigan much better than a 50 inch stance does IMO.
Posted by: hotdog
My brother wanted to get a 500 TBX model but they didn't have one in stock so they said they would sell him the TRV model and a box you could install where the seat goes..which is pretty neat..But then I noticed it does not have the front wheel locker ..This is the only model that doesn't have it I wonder what was the thinking behind this??...Personally I wouldn't buy one without it..maybe that's why they are not selling many also the seat isn't very comfortable
Posted by: hotdog
I was thinking something like too...but most of the time your not going to have two on it..also the TBX model which is the same bike with a dump box has the locker...why would one be unsafe and not the other ?
Posted by: hotdog
In my experience ,to much traction has never been dangerous or a problem but to little traction can be dangerous ...
Posted by: Bear4570
With two people om board I would suspect AC feels you shouldn't be in a situation where you would need a locker. Two up requires a lot less aggressive driving style or someone gets hurt.
Posted by: Bear4570
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Originally posted by: hotdog
I was thinking something like too...but most of the time your not going to have two on it..also the TBX model which is the same bike with a dump box has the locker...why would one be unsafe and not the other ?
Because if you dump the TBX it's only your a$$ that gets hurt and if you dump a TRV some poor smuch that wasn't smart enough to stay off, with you driving gets hurt too. Very poor trade off.
Posted by: Bear4570
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Originally posted by: hotdog
In my experience ,to much traction has never been dangerous or a problem but to little traction can be dangerous ...hr>
Yeah and I have been on my back under the machine from "too much traction". It takes brains to ride safe, knowing the machine's and your own limitations. Your statement sounds like the "more horsepower is always better" crowd.
Posted by: trvman
i asked the same thing when i bought my 06 the dealer told me it was the wheelbase, the company thought it would not be a safe machine because it makes the sterring harder and it already is diffrent with the longer bike so it was a safety issue, sometimes i wish mine hade it but truthfully i have never needed it!
Posted by: dirtygert
I've loked into this problem and think buying a new diff w/locker and cable for 1200.00 canadian isn't bad (from a regular 500...). But I just found that some newer 650 come w/4.10:1 (stock is 3.6:1) gear diff's so if I'm going to that work why not change out both diff's. More gear means bigger tire and a set of 28 mudzilla would be on order.
A cheaper fix would be to install a line loc system. One like racecar drivers use. Install one on each front brake line to caliper delivery. When you're stuck and that wheel in the air is spinning. Just turn a switch to the side that's not spinning and apply the brake stopping the wheel that spin's transfer the power to the wheel that's stuck. Just remember to turn switch back off or you're brake hard to one side only. A diff assembly is a power divider and will supply power to the wheel that is the easiest to turn, so stopping that wheel will allow the other to get traction. I' was thinking of doing this but I do too much mudding. 14 inch of ground clearance means one big hole and alot of trouble. Go big or get stuck trying. My last off road toy was a 38 inch tire mud bogger with 12 inch of lift jeep yj. But this fourwheeler thing is the best.
