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Posted by: Andy Bassham
I think the hype is for not. I would much rather them try and build a suitable transmission for the V2. Regardless, the H1 will not have the same power the V2 does. No other single cylinder has so far. A Duramatic mated to the V2 engine would be quite nice though. I guess the lower price tag will help the H1 though.
Posted by: ethernut
Work the Bugs out of what? A cylinder jug and a piston??? How many "Bad" engines have you heard of lately?
The tranny is a proven duramatic.
There will be no bugs with the H1 engine and tranny beyond normal wear and tear.
Posted by: ethernut
It's taking so long because they want to make sure EVERYTHING is tip top. It's also going to be black which tells me that they've had to have new plastic made for it. I'm also told that they will be in very limited supply, apparently Cat is fairly overwhelmed with demand across their entire product line.
The H1 engine has been in development for over 3 years, there are no new patents on the engine. They are using tried and true technology in it's contruction, they've contracted with a famous German firm to help them make it successful. How many German engine makers that make bad engines do know of? That's right, none. They spin every one on a dyno before it leaves the engine shop. Let me tell you that NO ONE in the ATV industry does that, do your research. You'll find that to be true. So, no there won't be any problems with the engine. Get over it.
Case closed.
Posted by: ethernut
Markie, you probably right. The AC H1 motor will suck.
Ok, there I've admitted it. Now you can stop posting about it. :-)
But you do get the award for the biggest nay-sayer of the H1. Congratualtions! :-D
Posted by: polaris5610
That Polaris you own has Polaris Liberty engine in it...
Posted by: polaris5610
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Originally posted by: markie
Hey aeron after checking your site out you should know all the ansers about sportsmans.
Is it true the 700 is a cut down 760 snowmobile motor the same one thats in the 800.Is it the 500 thats made by fugi also whats the best pipe for my 700 sportman.
Hi, the 600, 700, 700EFI, and 800EFI are all the same block. The 800 (760) is just a 700 with a longer stroke. I think Polaris 800 that goes in the snowmobile is a 780, so there is a little difference between the two. Big gun makes a ok pipe I hear (never used one). Polaris ATV engines 500 and down are Robin/Fuji (Robin and Fuji are the same company) engines (same people that make Subaru cars). I hope this helps...
Posted by: 1wook
The polaris 700 isn't a moddified snowmobile engine. Polaris also contracted the same german consultants for the design of the 700.
Posted by: pvwheeler
The Polaris 780 4 stroke sled engine is a V twin....I suspect nothing is the same at all.The two stroke 800 sled engine is for sure totally different ;^)
Posted by: markie
I'd give AC 2-3 years to work the bugs out of it,the kaw 650 Is a proven engine.
Posted by: markie
The first year will have some problems, first try at at there new engine,why do you think its taking so long
Posted by: markie
Look how reliable germans were when we went to war In Irac.They should have had Honda help them.I own a 2001 arctic cat 400 with the Suzuki motor, not one problem with it yet.
Posted by: markie
I hop it works out for ac ,I own a polaris 700 and a arctic cat 400 and the cat is built so much better.One of the reasons is suzuki built my motor and fudji builds polaris motors, hunk of junk.
2003 polaris 700 -clutch kit
2001 arctic cat 400 semi indepenent rear suspention
1999 Ford power stoke 4" pipe,k-n filter- 1998 Layton toy hauler 28 ft-built in propaine generator
Posted by: markie
Hey aeron after checking your site out you should know all the ansers about sportsmans.
Is it true the 700 is a cut down 760 snowmobile motor the same one thats in the 800.Is it the 500 thats made by fugi also whats the best pipe for my 700 sportman.
Posted by: markie
I hop this hole new motor don"t backfire on Arctic cat, they could get the bad rep like Polaris for breaking down all the time, I have to here polaris jokes every time I go riding with my honda buds I hope that that new motordont make Arctic cat jokes.
Posted by: markie
Nice moose catterman thats a once in a life time experence.l
Posted by: markie
They still havent worked all the bugs out of the polaris 700 yet ethernut-I hope arctic cat dont have that problem
Posted by: markie
I like my 700,exept for the ebs it sucks other than that its the most confortable atv ive ever ridden.As for your 700 not breaking down the only problem ive had was my water pump and polaris had a recall and fixed it.As for the Honda Foreman its very rare to here of them breaking I loved the one I had but my back couldent handle the ruff ride.I like my ac 400 too,I wish I was rich so I could have one of each brand of atv [hey ethernut I like the ac motor so much the way it is,if its not broken why mess with it-sorry to piss you off]
Posted by: markie
Hi Bear , your buddies 700 might have a bad water pump and the sensor shuts the engine down.The 700s had a recall on there water pumps , polaris fixed mine for free,mine kept loosing water every time I rode it.When I had them fix it I had them install a clutch kit,it made a big difference and got rid of the lag and now in low range it will pop wheelies.Its taken Polaris a few years to get the bugs worked out ,I wish they would listen to the costomer about there poor ebs, even the magazines dish on them about it.
Posted by: swampyjunior
I spoke to my dealer in Washington State just after Christmas and they said they have been told they would see them at the dealer EXPO. Which I think was the end of June or first part of July.
They did not have any knowlege as to why they were not out yet. But, they did have some smoking deals on 04 and 05 400's and 500's. I tried to swing a new machine , I winned, cried, pouted, Threw a tantrum and my wife still said NO. guess I'll have to try the "daughter needs a bike too angle".
They did confirm a rumor I heard that the H1 may be coming out with a manual shift though. Which will make me think more than twice about getting one.
It is kind of dumb for them not to be out but maybe they are attempting to fix some bug so we don't have to mess with it. (like the Wimp mode thing)
SJ
Posted by: Bear4570
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Originally posted by: markie
I'd give AC 2-3 years to work the bugs out of it,the kaw 650 Is a proven engine.
Yeah and so was the belt system.
Posted by: Bear4570
Supposed to have been VW, or if you prefer Porsche,
Posted by: Bear4570
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Originally posted by: markie
They still havent worked all the bugs out of the polaris 700 yet ethernut-I hope arctic cat dont have that problem
This last weekend my cop buddies Sportsman 700 lost power and we found the righthand plug wire off. Reinstalled it and it ran for about 30 minute and came off again and wouldn't stay on, pulled the plug and it looked dry and the color was ok. Headed back down the hill and 3 minutes later it stopped dead. Temp lite was flashing. I towed him back to the trailer. He still hasn't heard yet whats wrong, but I'm betting on expensive. Oh yeah, he doesn't believe in preventive maintenance. He has also let it sit since hunting ended in October. Other than this problem it has be trouble free for almost 600 miles.
Posted by: Bear4570
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Originally posted by: markie
Hi Bear , your buddies 700 might have a bad water pump and the sensor shuts the engine down.The 700s had a recall on there water pumps , polaris fixed mine for free,mine kept loosing water every time I rode it.When I had them fix it I had them install a clutch kit,it made a big difference and got rid of the lag and now in low range it will pop wheelies.Its taken Polaris a few years to get the bugs worked out ,I wish they would listen to the costomer about there poor ebs, even the magazines dish on them about it.
Markie; Thanks, I will let him know. It seems he has been to busy to get it to the dealer. I think it's more about payday than anything else.
Posted by: Catterman
Don't count on the EFI, they already put it in their broucher as a carb model. Word has it that the 500 will be the first to get the EFI. Otherwise, I have NO IDEA where the HI is. They shouldn't have included it as a 2005 model, and just continued to work on it if it is taking them this long. Poor guys here like Ethernut have been waiting for a long time.
Posted by: Catterman
Hey swampy, one bad thing about living in the "bush" of Alaska, that smoken good deal would still cost you an extra $1000 to ship out to Sand Point!!! And the barge is still 4+ months away!!!
Posted by: Catterman
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Originally posted by: weez440
hey catter you guys gotta seriously spend 1000 extra to get the cats shipped up to alaska? well for that money i am 50 miles from the arctic factory i will get a fifth wheel and super duty truck and haul 15 up there at one shot actually there are people that come here from montana and buy up truckloads of used polaris and arctic cat atv's and bring them back and make good money on them
Ya weez, the problem is there are no roads heading into our town, so everything has to be flown in - and that can be SPENDY!!!! A few months of the year a barge can get in, but that still ain't cheap. When we moved up here, it was $1500 just for our Powder Special from Minnesota.
Posted by: Catterman
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Originally posted by: markie
Nice moose catterman thats a once in a life time experence.l
Thanks markie!
Posted by: weez440
hey catter you guys gotta seriously spend 1000 extra to get the cats shipped up to alaska? well for that money i am 50 miles from the arctic factory i will get a fifth wheel and super duty truck and haul 15 up there at one shot actually there are people that come here from montana and buy up truckloads of used polaris and arctic cat atv's and bring them back and make good money on them
Posted by: Stumppuller1
What is going on, this is really dumb, if they stopped production of them why didn't they just say that, I figure either there was a problem with them or they've decided to add EFI to them and that is what is taking so long, having to re test it. I'm leaning towards the EFI part, just have a feeling.
Anyone know any more info.
Posted by: MonZooki
Guys I have a theroy on the H1 delay...they said they were using an improved duramatic tranny (the duramatic is 100% Suzuki made). The KQ has the latest tranny from Suzuki...it is said to have the wider belt and better cooling ...but same design as the vinson(which is the AC500 tranny). Any of this sound the same to you? Both companys are talking about the same upgrades to the tranny and both compare it to the 500 tranny...
The H1 is most likley using the KQ tranny...i e reverse failure!
Early articles had AC saying that the engine (top end) was their design but that the case and tranny were a new improved duramatic from Suzuki!
The delay is probably an attempt to redo some of the benchmarks in reverse to be sure it holds up, much like Suzuki has had to do on the recent "recall" of the KQ tranny!
This would explain the wait, AC does not want the new quad to come off the lot and have a bad tranny reputation on thier first new machine! By waiting they can do a re-map of reverse and the override function to keep the gear from overheating...just like Suzuki!
I could be wrong..but looks like it to me!
Posted by: JimJa
I've heard about the German engineering thing several times - anyone know WHICH german company is helping? Porsche has a very large engineering dept and did all the work on H-D Evolution engine as well as the engine in their new V-Rod. Prior to the V-Rod they developed a water cooled V4 for H-D which was never produced as it was viewed by management as not the direction H-D should go at the time.
As for not expecting any problems, well, it's the first engine AC has produced, in a new plant, with new workers (at least some of them), first time for this, first time for that, etc. Problems can and should be expected. It's hard to wait, particularly when you are emotionally commited, but it appears AC really wants to get it right and that has to be a good thing. ...and think about what will happen to the company if they don't get it right. In terms of Honda or Kaw, AC is not that big a company, they cannot afford the millions it would cost them if this bike isn't right. They'll get there.
...but in the meantime I'd sure like to see EFI on all their bikes, 400 and bigger. Think about the shock wave that would send through the ATV industry and the positive press AC would get.
Jim
Posted by: JimJa
Bear
If VW did the engineering, fine and I have no problem with that, but you can't say it as though they are the same company. They are not. It's a common misconception. VW and Porsche are only common as far as shipping and parts distro is concerned. And, yes, some joint projects. Porsche, being the much smaller company attaches itself to VW's distro arm for convience and cost, but Porsche is a totally separate company with it's own, and quite large engineering department. They do a lot of work for U.S. companies and others around the world, most of which is done quietly, without acknowledgement, and certainly without fanfair.
Posted by: bkcntyxplr
1wook, your logo is Frickin HILARIOUS!!
Posted by: JJJJJ
Lil off the sub here but I dont really know "exactly what you guys do with your Sportsmans.. "Somehow" they gained a rep for unreliability. But I've had my '04 700 for a year and it has had absolutely no problems.. I had a '04 Sportsman 500 Mossy Oak before that and it also had no problems. I ride mine in as much mud and water as possible, and they hold up better than my buds Grizzly's and Foremans. So I am confused why your "polaris" quads mess up.
2004 Polaris Sportsman 700
too many mods
God Bless
