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Posted by: kingmort
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look at any big drag races results...the stock F5s in the 1000ft drag are averaging 112mph...
American Snowmobiler Magazine,,,Feb 2004,,,14th Annual Shoot-out, these are the stock results:
1320 feet
F6-92.04mph in 12.89 sec
F7-92.74mph in 12.46 sec
ZR 900-93.68 in 12.37 sec
If the F5 was faster I'm pretty sure it would be in the drag race, but they didn't bother testing the 500 class.These are REAL world results and I did this to give people that might not know better an idea of what a sled really does.
By the way, these are very good numbers, as the Cats cleaned house for this comparison, winning every race in every class.That was Box stock and Dealer Prepped.
As far as the older Thundercat goes, it might not win a 1/4 mile drag against these new bad boys, but if your looking for the other side of a lake longer than 1/2 a mile or so,,,and you have the balls to hold that Big 'ol tripple opened up,,,if anyone stays close enough to you that they can argue about who is fastest,,,you're both crazy!!!!
Posted by: DaveB
Started out as a T-cat 900....went to a 1000cc counter-balanced triple. Same bottom end as a ZRT 800 triple. I believe the last year for them was 2001. Very fast and easy to bump the horses up over 200. Biggest problem was the weight. Heavy sled. I ride mountains so the T-cat was always a heavy pig to be digging out all day. The lake racer, short track guys love em.
Posted by: Mudpuppy193
The thundercat was made up through 2002 (the best year of them) and they changed over to the 1000 cc motor in 1998. Top speed on a stock one is somewhere around the 125-130 mark. When I was up at cat for training I was talking to some of the engineers up there and they said that one early spring day on lake of the woods they had a little skimming of water over the ice and they took a stock t-cat w/ the exception of being geared way up and they radared it at over 150 mph after about a 3 mile head start! I would have to say that your f-7 is gona just kill the t-cat out of the hole but once they hit about 80 mph or so the cc's will start kicking in and the tcat should walk away with no problem. The newer the t-cat the better the machine is in my opinion. The reason why I was told that they stopped making them is that people were starting to get in a twin cyl trend and the old heavy triple was just not selling any more- and at a price of over 8Gs new people were shying away from them. The ZRT chassis actually sold better especially for the guys who would put the big bore kits on the 800 motor (same lower end as the 1000) because the suspensions were better than the t-cats and they were cheaper. Our dealer sold our last new t-cat in 2002 (it was a left over 01) for about a 1g loss. In my opinion the AC triples are one of the best motors out there.
Posted by: 01redrecon
LMAO some of those speeds are total BS. But to answer the first question the T-cat was made from 1993-2002 and was a 900cc triple from 93-97 and in 98 it was bumped upto a 1000cc triple. Top speed on a stock T-cat can range on the year but the newer ones were running mid/high 120's, but the 98's were the strongest T-cats ever made. I run a 99 ZRT 800 triple and it'll show 115-120mph stock.
There is NO way a stock F5 will do 112mph in 1000ft or even in a million feet, its just not going to happen, same goes for a F7 showing 134mph. My friend has a 04 F6 with a 1.375" track, clutch work and geared down and he tops 102 on GPS (which will beat a 03 Rev 600 HO), they will do about 107 stock with 1" track. My brother has a 03 F7 and has had 114mph on the speedo on hardpack trail with very little left. The new cat digital speedo's are much more accurate then the old analog ones, compared to a GPS at speeds over 100mph they are only off by 2-3 mph.
Now for a stock polaris XC 600 doing 118-120mph (actual speed, not speedo), sorry but once agian not in any life time. Another riding buddy has a 02 Edge X 600 and it comes no wheres close to 120mph. They do have good top end, about 110mph, but thats about all the engine can do.
Thanks everyone for some good laughs
Posted by: 01redrecon
Yes there is our problem you are talking speedo speeds, I am talking actual speeds, theres a big difference. The XC 700 does have good top end but is pretty doggish off the line. My friend has a 2000 and it'll move along pretty good once it gets wound out but in a 660' a 600 will have no problems with it.
Posted by: 01redrecon
Look DVX32 I dont know who you are trying to fool but a stock F5, or even slightly modded will NOT do 114mph on hardpack trail. It is IMPOSSIBLE for it to travel at those speeds, the way it is geared clutched, etc it would have to be revving so high the engine would blow. Plus why would anyone sell a F7 to go down to a F5, was the 700 to powerful for you at 134mph. Its getting deep in here so I'm going to go eat my rubbers and shovel.
Posted by: luvthemud
machzmissle, it is common for a stock f7 to hit 120 mph. 03's are a little faster then the 04's. as for the f-5 hitting 117, that i do not believe.
Posted by: luvthemud
tell me another one sledheadrich, i am pissing myself about you keeping up with F7's, i know for a fact that an f6 is faster then your sled. funniest thing i have heard in a long time. and a stock f-7 will hit 120 on the gun, i know for a fact. not saying that it doesn't take a while to get there but it does go over 120 mph.105 is your top end? buy a new sled if you are going to trash, my grandpa's 2up almost hits that. as for the speedo's on the cats, they are the most accurate speedo you can get, 3 mph off. 127 for the machz is pathetic, 1000 cc and 127 is the top end, what a joke. looks like cat might still be the fastest sled again next year!!! (i am still laughing about you hanging with the f7 and 800ho)lol. i do agree with you about the f5, they are not a top end sled, might hit 100 but conditions have to be perfect and no studs for sure.
Posted by: luvthemud
where is turtle lake? sledheadrich, i misunderstood your use of the word "ride". some people use it like: "i can ride with that machz all day", and others like yourself use it "i ride with a machz". understandable. either way i am happy to see ski-doo come out with the 1000, it will make everyone else try a little more. snowmobile technology would be nothing like it is today if companys didn't introduce new stuff, and arctic cat and ski doo and at the front of introducing new things (that aren't four stroke). i hope that the machz goes a little faster then 127 though, that isn't very fast, you have to at least give me that. my sled with a clutch kit could easily see those numbers. we will have to wait and see, anyway hey dvx if you want a thundercat my local dealer has a 2000 in great shape for $3000.00. great deal, i know the guy who traded it in. as for coming to tug hill, that is a long trip. does sound pretty cool though. maybe we can meet half way LOL. oh yeah and i would have that speedo checked because there is no way that a 500 will hit 114. not trying to rain on your parade but that is impossible unless modded.
Posted by: doober
I think they stopped making them in 99 (not sure though) Skidont has a 1000 cc model that they just released, I think they were very heavy and pigs on fuel that is why they stopped making them, Cat has a 900 king kat now that will kill the 1000 anyways.
Posted by: doober
Machzmissle, I guess I should have been more precise in how I said that, i ment it will beat the Tcat, not necessarily in a drag race I am talking about climbing, and as for being the dumbest thing you have heard in a while, take a look at what you said, how can you say that the 1000 doo will kill the 900 when the doo was just released and there is probably not even one out on the snow yet?? I am not trying to start any kind of brand bashing here but think before you speak.
Posted by: doober
Littleboy, thanks for the info I didnt think they were actually released yet, I stand corrected.
Posted by: doober
I have a 2002 MC 600 efi, what do you mean by fast, top speed about 85-90 miles/hr, my friend has a 99 piped rmk 600 and I beat him every time, they climb very good, for a 600, you would be surprised where they will go, about 110 hp. But a mountain machine is not made for drag racing either.
Posted by: doober
Machz I agree with you, cause I think the kk only does 80-90 or something.
Posted by: TrailBlazerguy250
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Originally posted by: Banshee2003
I ride with a guy that has one. They are really fast. He has his all decked out and I think he has been clocked at 115. Not sure how long they made them for nor when the stopped making them. I do know that the rumor is Ski-Doo is coming out with a MachZ 1000 in the Rev chasis
I have pics of the Skidoo Mach Z 1000
Posted by: Banshee2003
I ride with a guy that has one. They are really fast. He has his all decked out and I think he has been clocked at 115. Not sure how long they made them for nor when the stopped making them. I do know that the rumor is Ski-Doo is coming out with a MachZ 1000 in the Rev chasis
Posted by: sledheadrich
The F7 will not go 134. It will not go 125. It will not go 120. Fastest I've seen is 113 and we all know that speedos (especially Cat's) are about 10 percent optimistic. The F5 would be LUCKY to see 100. The new Mach Z is running 127 on radar. That is the fastest production sled to date.
Posted by: sledheadrich
i've watched a stock F5 get clocked at 111
Posted by: sledheadrich
I'm not calling you a liar but I find that VERY hard to believe. My '04 600HO tops out at 105(on digital speedo). I run with 800 HO's and F7's all the time and neither of them are much faster. I've beat some F6's and all F5's I've come up against.
Posted by: sledheadrich
fidge-I have a '04 MXZ X 600HO carbs. I ran with a 600 HO SDI Renegade and he topped out at 105 also. 113 is believable with some mods. The HO really runs!
Congrats on the Fusion. Although I chuckle at the name as it looks like they "fused" a Rev with a Firecat and a little bit of Viper.
Posted by: sledheadrich
Redrecon-thanks for trying to help give these guys a reality check. I had a guy tell me that his F7 does 140!
Posted by: sledheadrich
luvthemud- I said I always run with F7's and 800 Ho's meaning that my buddy's own them and I ride with them alot. I never said my sled was faster. Maybe you should read my post before you start spewing off. I also said that I have beaten SOME F6's, not ALL. Magazine dyno runs show equal HP figures for the F6 and 600 HO however production engines can vary by more than 10 percent. You then have to figure for temp., altitude, traction, rider weight, and snow condition. Mach Z slow? We'll see next year. I'm not a drag racer either. I like big moguls. Bring your whatever sled (and your gramps) to Tug Hill sometime and I'll take you both to school. Later!
Posted by: sledheadrich
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Originally posted by: DVX32
well i found out why that thundercat was only 3000, it was HOT...so in any case i'm glad i didnt buy it the guy sellin it got busted. i did however sell my F7 and bought an F5 and just today on the trail i saw 114 in the dig. and i was going down a VERY slight hill so that might have added 1-2mph...as far as the other sleds go i dont know nothin about em never ridden anything but a cat
Was the sled in the back of your truck?
Posted by: peteyz24
definatley buy it, a guy around here had one and one night at about 1 or 2 in the morning after it had just snowed we were taking turns running it down the highway(there is totally no traffic around here at that time of day) and it was frigging awesome. We didnt run it up to top speed obviously cause that whould just be insane, but the aceleration was sweet. well, when you think about it, at the same time period they were putting the 1000cc suzuki motor in this sled, they were putting a 1000 cc suzuki motor in a geo metro, i'm not saying there the same motor of anything. just comparing the fact that they were putting the same size motor in a car and a sled
Posted by: markie
I bought a 2001 600 efi with 300 miles on it about a month ago and have never riden it. Do any of you know someone who might want to buy it.Also do you know if the 600 is fast.
Posted by: MACHZMISSLE
Cat has a 900 king kat now that will kill the 1000 anyways.
That was pretty much the dumbest F'in thing I have heard in quite some time.
The new MACH Z 1000 twin would smoke the 900 cat. Don't talk foolish.
Posted by: MACHZMISSLE
yea i am actually gonna buy one...i have an Firecat F7 EFI that has some mods that my cousin did for me, like a pipe and some other thing, and i've had it up to 134...but i heard nothin beats a thundercat so i found a 96 that i can get for 3000, in about 2 weeks i'm gonna get it
Holy Christ are you kidding me??? you better get a real radar on that cause even modded out that thing will not hit 125.
Posted by: MACHZMISSLE
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Originally posted by: doober
Machzmissle, I guess I should have been more precise in how I said that, i ment it will beat the Tcat, not necessarily in a drag race I am talking about climbing, and as for being the dumbest thing you have heard in a while, take a look at what you said, how can you say that the 1000 doo will kill the 900 when the doo was just released and there is probably not even one out on the snow yet?? I am not trying to start any kind of brand bashing here but think before you speak.hr>
Think before
Who cares about testing. Yea the kingkaty 900 will beat the T-cat up a hill you are right about. Not being on the snow yet does not make a difference. The Kingkitty is geared for the hill which there will be no top end. Personally I am not brand bias cause if the manufatures weren't good they wouldn't be in business, but the MACH Z 1000 is a lake racer man, the kink kitty would get spanked! I think it would be a good race out of the whole, cause the KK's 162 is gonna have alot more traction, and the MACH would prolly spin out but Once traction is maid SEEE YA!
Posted by: MACHZMISSLE
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Originally posted by: Gimpster
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Posted by: MACHZMISSLE
Seriously I don't even know why i posted to this thread! Cripes sake if Bull$h!t were electricity some of you guys would light up las vegas! So in all fun in games my sled will shoot past the 130 mark and its only a 780.
Thats when its on the stand in the garage pinned WFO! SUCKERS!
Posted by: fidge1
The t-cat was made first in 93 as a 900 trippy and then ended in 02 as a 1000.. And yes ski-doo just released a mach z 1000 twin that is going to walk all over the t-cat this year
Posted by: fidge1
sledheadrich, do you have a rev 600 ho becuase my 03 rev with dynoport pipes and clutch, reeds will go 113 on a lake (gps)
Posted by: LittleBoy
Sorry doober,
But the 1000cc Bombardier Revs have been out in the trails here for over two weeks now. And so far, it is very positive. There were drag races yesterday in my town and in the stock class it was the fastest.
Posted by: DVX32
this is a question about the thundercat sled...anyone know much about them...how fast they are and what years they were made, and why they stopped making them???
Posted by: DVX32
yea i am actually gonna buy one...i have an Firecat F7 EFI that has some mods that my cousin did for me, like a pipe and some other thing, and i've had it up to 134...but i heard nothin beats a thundercat so i found a 96 that i can get for 3000, in about 2 weeks i'm gonna get it
Posted by: DVX32
yea i love my F7, but i've heard if you stick some light mods in a thundercat you'll have one hell of a sled, and for 3000 why not...thanks for all the input from everyone
Posted by: DVX32
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Originally posted by: MACHZMISSLE
yea i am actually gonna buy one...i have an Firecat F7 EFI that has some mods that my cousin did for me, like a pipe and some other thing, and i've had it up to 134...but i heard nothin beats a thundercat so i found a 96 that i can get for 3000, in about 2 weeks i'm gonna get it
Holy Christ are you kidding me??? you better get a real radar on that cause even modded out that thing will not hit 125.[/q
no i'm not, your misinformed, a stock F7 EFI will easially do 120...my brother has a bone stock F5 that does 117
Posted by: DVX32
look at any big drag races results...the stock F5s in the 1000ft drag are averaging 112mph...i had mine full on for over a mile and the digital speedometer said 117...i spose it could be off but when i was doing radar runs i was fairly close everytime to what the gun said, maybe off by a mph or two, but all i'm sayin is i saw 117 in the speedometer, i'm not saying i'm 100% sure it was right
Posted by: DVX32
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Originally posted by: sledheadrich
The F7 will not go 134. It will not go 125. It will not go 120. Fastest I've seen is 113 and we all know that speedos (especially Cat's) are about 10 percent optimistic. The F5 would be LUCKY to see 100. The new Mach Z is running 127 on radar. That is the fastest production sled to date.
are you talking about TOP speed or on a short radar run because the F5 can easily hit 100...on our local ice drags we borrow a police radar gun and i have never raced there but i've watched a stock F5 get clocked at 111
Posted by: DVX32
let me rephrase that i didnt see the gun but i saw the speed posted on the board at the end of the races...stock 500 class fastest sled arctic cat F5 111mph...i think its belivable...like i said i've looked in the speedometer and seen 117...but i never really 100% trust speedometers
Posted by: DVX32
well i found out why that thundercat was only 3000, it was HOT...so in any case i'm glad i didnt buy it the guy sellin it got busted. i did however sell my F7 and bought an F5 and just today on the trail i saw 114 in the dig. and i was going down a VERY slight hill so that might have added 1-2mph...as far as the other sleds go i dont know nothin about em never ridden anything but a cat
Posted by: DVX32
nope i was on the trails but thanks for askin ya smart ass
Posted by: DVX32
i'm not trying to fool anyone i'm just saying what i saw in the speedometer...and the reason i got rid of the F7 is because of my dad...i know i'm gonna get some SHlT for this but i'm lucky that my dad didnt have much money growing up and now he does and he chooses to get the things that make me happy, but he isnt rich and he wants a new truck and he just dont have the money to keep up the insurance on the F7 and still be able to pay for the bill on my DVX and the insurance for the DVX so he asked me to help him save some money and go down to an F5, and any sled is OK with me, i dont get to ride them much because there is usually not too much snow, last year we had like 2 weekends where the trails were open, this year we've had alot more, but yea i'm not a hardcore snowmobiler so an F5 is still cool
Posted by: DVX32
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Originally posted by: luvthemud
where is turtle lake? sledheadrich, i misunderstood your use of the word "ride". some people use it like: "i can ride with that machz all day", and others like yourself use it "i ride with a machz". understandable. either way i am happy to see ski-doo come out with the 1000, it will make everyone else try a little more. snowmobile technology would be nothing like it is today if companys didn't introduce new stuff, and arctic cat and ski doo and at the front of introducing new things (that aren't four stroke). i hope that the machz goes a little faster then 127 though, that isn't very fast, you have to at least give me that. my sled with a clutch kit could easily see those numbers. we will have to wait and see, anyway hey dvx if you want a thundercat my local dealer has a 2000 in great shape for $3000.00. great deal, i know the guy who traded it in. as for coming to tug hill, that is a long trip. does sound pretty cool though. maybe we can meet half way LOL. oh yeah and i would have that speedo checked because there is no way that a 500 will hit 114. not trying to rain on your parade but that is impossible unless modded.
yea i was talking to my dad about that and he said he'd have greg (our friend who owns the cat dealer) check it out...and turtle lake is east of st. croix if you know where that is...its right on highway 8 about 30 mins east of st. croix....you've probably seen the st. croix casino commercials, that casino is the middle of our town
Posted by: Catterman
Thundercat started in 1993 as a 900 triple, went to a 1000 triple in 97 (maybe 98?? - brain fart). Last year of it was in 2002. They are still the fastest sleds out there, 172 stock hp. A 900 (only a twin cylinder) King Cat won't match it either, they have 150hp. Ski-Doo is coming out with the 1000 but it will be a twin cylinder as well.
I am not sure about the top speed, I wouldn't want to guess, but they will go faster then you can control them! If you get a chance to ride one do it!!!!!
Not too sure why the stopped making them, I would think because sales were down and they just wern't selling. Everyone wanted the 600 and 700. Rumor has it that Cat is making a new 1000, twin cylinder, for 2006. Maybe someone in Theif River Falls would have some inside info on it. They actually wern't too heavy either, although they are a little more.
Are you thinking of buying one???
Posted by: Catterman
You guys crack me up!
Hey, my Powder Special will do 140 up a 40 degree hill, so take that!
I feel sorry for the guys who don't know much about sleds and come here and read all this stuff, then go home and tell their buddies how fast a 99XC, or a 600HO are.
But hey, this is fun and we are all here because we want to have a little fun.
Posted by: Gimpster
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Posted by: Gimpster
Machz... I caught a few westerners and some cunnucks there already img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">BR>
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Posted by: Tooleman
Check out the new POLARIS FUSION 900 it's a beast i just ordered mine Black and red SWEET
Posted by: Tooleman
Any one who has a 1999 polaris 600 xc Will believe that it will top out at 118- 120 absolutly pegged right out on a smooth lake it might take it a sec but it will do it mine is stock ex for 288 woodys Gold digger modified traction master studs...... If anyone lookin for a sled for cheap i sellin my 1999 polaris 600 xc for 1,900 FIRM
Posted by: Tooleman
HEY BUDDY i am not lieing my speedo WAS above 115 around 118 maby more maby not but it was atleast 118 if you dont belive me ride one the 99 XCs espesually the 700s were FAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Tooleman
Hey bud i wazent lieen bout my xc 600s speed if u lived in upstate ny i would meet u and let u take it down redfield rez
