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Posted by: hc
<FONT face=Verdana size=1>Predator03, WHen are you going to be there? Me and some buddies are going next weekend for the first time.
Would be nice if we could follow someone around for a while that knows the area.
We have utility atv's i have a 99' Sportsman that i bought new and this week been getting it ready for the trip.
All fluids have been changed, New outer tie rod ends have been replaced this week and will be taking the
original goodyear tires off and replacing with new Good Year Mudd Runners. So i should be in good shape.
Will the Good Year mudd Runners be a good tire for WinRock?
Thanks</FONT>
Posted by: hc
<FONT face=Verdana size=1>Predator03, we rode on Windrockthis past weekend putting 35 miles on friday afternoon and 75 miles on all day saturday.
best trails ever rode on. but the lack of trail signs was really bad. Thank goodness we had GPS's or we still be on a trail some where. had a good time </FONT>
Posted by: hc
Hey, we went to windrock the last weekend in march and took trail 2 from the parking area then from trail 2 to 16 and when we went down the frist hill (deep ruts) we meet two other riders riding to us and they said the trail was a whole lot worse the futher we go. So we truned around and had trouble getting back out.
With that typed, we did have fun. Went to the wind mills and found our selves looking at the map alot.
A lot of trails where unmarked, but we had GPS mounted on our atv's.
All in all we had fun and will be going back sometimes later.
Posted by: hc
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Originally posted by: Predator03
I wanted to ask you HC, did you make it on the other side of the highway? If you're going to be there when we are, I can show you all the trails over there, and some that are not on the map. The only problem we have riding on some of the trails we love, is that they are on Royal Blue. So far, we have never met up with anyone checking for permits to ride there. But, I'm kinda nervous about getting ticketed. It's too bad really, there are some AWESOME trails over there. We were getting 40-50 miles away from the parking lot. The trails there are not all beat up from riding. I'm hoping to make it back over that way.Scott
Yes, we crossed the hiway and took trail 50 then right on trail 53 then left on trail 57 and we where getting close to dark so we took the gravel roads back to the parking lot.
We also stoped at the * 3 on G52 it was ok up to the point the three of us got to slinging mud on each other from the back wheels and from there it just got worse LOL
Mabe we can meet up the next time we go and you can show us some more good trails. I like getting far from parking lot
Posted by: hc
Mudflapper, can you post some links to web sites for Royal Blue Wildlife Management Area?
And can you ride from windrock to Royal Blue Wildlife Management Area on atv's?
Thanks
Posted by: jaybeecon55
You'll see deer, you'll see rabbits, you'll see wild turkeys. If you go further up north on the trails (beyond the flats) you'll likely see some elk. What you will not see is a gas station. No way, not gonna happen. Bring plenty of gas.
Jaybee
Posted by: EasterEgg
Predator the info is great for us first timers and many thanks.
We will be going April 28th throuth May 2nd and I have a couple of questions.
1. We will be doing the primitive camping thing with campers. Is it one big open area or like a camp ground with seperate spots off the road? We would like to be away from all the "pit racers" if you konw what I mean. Are ther secluded spots for say 3 RV's with trailers together?
2. How far away is a town with a dealership (kaw,hod,yam) or at least an autoparts store for parts?
We're all riding bigbore 4x4's and looking forward to the riding but not the 12 to 13hrs drive each way
Posted by: EasterEgg
Thanks again Scott. I will print this thread and keep for reference.
Posted by: EasterEgg
I was going to write up a new post for this but I guess this will do.
I just got back from riding 3 days and about 190 miles there. That place is AWSOMEsome of the best riding I've done in my life so far. I've ridden Michigan, Ohio (WNF), W Virginia H/M (Bear Wallow), all over PA and NY.
To start there were several trail closures 7, 14, 21 and a couple others I don't remember for maintenance (smooth them out so as not to be as dangerous.
We only rode on the parking lot side of 116 this trip my favorite trail was 12 this is a 4 mile trail that follows a creek in one of the valleys, it must cross it 30 times or more, it takes a good hour the first time through and 2 hrs at night but fun. Next would be 19 this is another short trail but muddy (someone with a winch is a real big help) with a lot of steep short hill climbs. Trails 10, 16, 3, 36, 37 and 8 are fun also.
Now trail 23 is not for the meek this is an extreme trail although it's only rated at difficult. It's 2 miles long the first mile wasn't too bad but that last mile took us about 3 hrs, we started at the end where it meets 11 by the gravel road. Winching and b@lls of steel are necessary for this trail, there were a few places that were dangerous as in you getting hurt along with loosing your machine. We picked this trail on our first day there also, if going to do it save it for your last just in case.
Running the paved road up and down the hill was fun also, felt like I was at Pike Peak, lots of hair pin turns and challenging at 30 mph on a Prairie with 26's.
The maps were great, trails were marked well and everyone was friendly. They WILL be checking for your permit at the parking lot and the camp sites. They were there every morning checking the new arrivals. Watching the Jeeps rock crawl is impressive to watch, I think those guys are sicker than us atvers.
We did the primitive camping (in a $70k motor home) near the parking which wasn't bad at all with the exception of not having any bathrooms. The town of Oak Ridge is quite large and has most anything you would ever need several hotels, walmart, dealers and auto parts stores.
All of us were riding big bore 4x4's and had a blast
Posted by: moto93
Predator03,
I too live in Michigan (about 12 miles N of the Ohio line) and rarely ever ride here. I've been thinking about Windrock and have a few questions: how long of a drive is it and is it kid friendly? Both my kids have been riding for years and can do most anything I can. LMK
Thanks,
Posted by: trx450
take LOTS of tire repair stuff. It is a rocky place.
Posted by: trx450
Yep-- I really liked trail #12 ,too. Lots 'o round rocks, though.
Posted by: DanW
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Originally posted by: jaybeecon55
You'll see deer, you'll see rabbits, you'll see wild turkeys. If you go further up north on the trails (beyond the flats) you'll likely see some elk. What you will not see is a gas station. No way, not gonna happen. Bring plenty of gas.
Jaybee
On December 27, we saw a deer that had been mauled and its guts eaten out by a bear. There was a nice bloody paw print on a rock next to it. It was a small deer, and the bear wasn't huge, either, according to the size of the paw print. It looked like the bear had ambushed it and dragged it about 1/8 of a mile up the creek. I believe it was on trail 12. It was early morning and blood was still coming out of the deer, so it couldn't have happened too long before we got there. Yuck! I took a couple of pics of it. I'll post them on my page when I get the time to update it.
Posted by: Quadcrew
We went to Windrock last year. It's a ute quad kinda place! There are some pics of the ride in our folder if you are interested. I think most sport quads would get worn out on all the rocks! It was definately fun - even the moderate trails were really diffficult for me. (Mrs. Q)
Posted by: Quadcrew
2TV - They are quite a bit alike in a lot of ways. Windrock is definately has more "rocky" sections. It has some awesome scenery too. Like you said, the pictures just doesn't do it any justice. The trails at H/M are more "maintained" than the W/R ones are. When we were there last year, a lot of the trails # signs were missing, so it was vital that we payed attention as to where we were most of the time. That isn't a problem at H/M. There are a lot of trails at Windrock that involve creek riding, which at H/M there aren't many trails like that. Also at Windrock (this is MY opinion) there was too much drinking and riding going on. A lot of people I think go there for that reason, the rules are very few. One other disadvantage (also just MY opinion) was that the trails are open to ANY vehicle - so you might come around a corner and see some Jeeps or big 4X4 come at you. Obviously, on the technical tight trails, it was just other quads or dirt bikes, but the main trails in and out had the other vehicles. As far as just the trails - if you like H/M, you would like Windrock. Just be prepared - keep a closer eye out for the other guy there. No Rangers, not many rules, but awesome trails! If you have any particular questions that I can answer, just ask. Hope this is helpful. I really like both Windrock and H/M, but if I had to choose one over the other, H/M wins because of the safety issue (IMO) (Mrs. Q)
Posted by: Quadcrew
You guys who ride Windrock may want to check it out - there are some new changes posted today. Now EVERYONE who rides (passenger or driver etc.) no matter what kind of vehicle, has to have a riding pass. (they say it is due to the insurance) The windmills are now OFF LIMITS - they're adding like 15 new ones, and if you're caught up by them your pass is revolked. It was posted on another board, they won't let me put a link to it here. I am sure it'll be on the Windrock board too. (Mrs. Q)
Posted by: Quadcrew
Yep - there is DEFINATELY drinking on the trails. We've seen Dad driving, kid behind dad, mom behind kid, with mom holding a beer in each hand. (and not just once - several times) And they were all on ONE quad. Great place to ride, just always watch out for the other guy. (Mrs. Q)
Posted by: Quadcrew
Well, most of the "locals" aren't wearing any, but we DEFINATELY wear them! That is one thing everyone likes about Windrock, there aren't many rules. Watch out in the parking area also, when we have been there it seems there are always people who think it is a drag strip. I read somewhere that they have hired someone to take care of that problem, but I am not sure. All that aside, it is an awesome place to ride. Gorgeous scenery and views. Have fun and ride safe! (Mrs. Q)
Posted by: Cheezhead
windrockatv.com
Bring a tow rope with you and tire plugs.
Kevin
Posted by: Predator03
Whaddya want to know? I gave up riding in Michigan because of Windrock, so I caution you about going there. It is HIGHLY addictive. We went down there for the first time in March 02. I've been 21 times and have ridden over 5000 miles there. So, as you can see....great place to ride.
It is far different than riding here. The challenges are far greater than anything round these parts. I ride a Predator, so your machine will do ok there. You won't get a chance to wind it out to often. You can on a couple of the gravel roads, but that's not where the fun is.
Windrock is very rocky. It never bothered me much, I'd much rather the rocks than the whoops. There is everything from gravel roads to extreme riding. Get yourself a map of the place. The trails are marked pretty good. The ones on the other side of the highway aren't marked as well, they've had problems with the locals tearing down the signs. There is plenty of riding on the parking lot side of Windrock, but I think the views are better on the other side. Panther Bluff or Indian Bluff, depends on who you ask what it's called, is on the other side and offers an awesome view. The flats is a good place to go, but it's a most of the day trip, especially if you don't know the place. You can go there and look down on I-75 from there. It's almost 30 miles from the parking lot, so take some spare gas.
STAY OFF TRAIL 14!!! It's near the parking lot, and if you go in from the bottom, you'll know you can't make it up. But, from the top, you probably won't know you're screwed until it's too late. I'd recommend trails 1,2,3,4,6,8,9,10,13,20, and 22 to start with. Trails 12,16 and 18 are popular, but can be a handful if it's muddy. If you ride 16, ride it going out away from the lot, it's easier to do on a sport quad. Trail 12 is a great trail, but very rocky and a tough ride. But it crosses the creek a million times and is very beautiful.
Depending on how long you are staying, you can buy daily permits or a yearly for 50 bucks. We always opt for the yearly. The doubletree in Oak Ridge is a good hotel, and you can buy permits and maps there. The hotel is around 5 miles from where you ride. You can stay in the parking lot at the base of the mountain, but it is primitive camping. There is no water or electricity.
If you have any other questions, feel free to ask....Scott
Posted by: Predator03
It wouldn't be a bad investment to buy something like that. There is a gas station, but it's not really all that accesible to the riding area. It's quite a few miles down a paved road, and you're not really supposed to be riding on it. It's also quite a ways off Coal Creek property. So, I wouldn't count on using it.
Alot depends on how and where you ride. If you are just going to stay on the south side of the area, you can ride around most of the day on a tank. I've done it lot's of times, but then again I know the terrain and where I am, at all times. Plus I usually ride with someone else in our group, and they all ride utility machines and we carry a small can of gas in their box. I wouldn't recommend riding out there alone. The area can be treacherous, not to scare anyone off, but it is different riding in the mountains. The challenge is what brings us back for the most part. So you really need to be careful. If you've ever been to Bull Gap, there are trails that go up the side of the hill on both sides. That is what some of the trails there are like. Except Windrock has steeper, rockier trails. I love the hill climbing.
How long are you planning on staying?
Posted by: Predator03
Buy yourself the yearly pass. It's gonna cost almost the same anyways. Three days should just give you a good taste of the riding there. I don't know what kind of rims and tires you have on your machine, but the Douglas 190's on my Pred are great. I did manage to punch a hole in the side of the stock tires. I also had to ride 25 miles back to the parking lot on a flat front. No easy feat. Breaking down at Windrock is not a good thing. You really are out there. That's why I recommend not riding by yourself. You can get on some of those trails and not be able to get out on your own. So do be careful.
I'm not sure when the spring ride is down there, but unless you are meeting people that weekend, I'd recommend going another time. The crowds are unbelieveable. We avoid the spring and fall rides for that reason. Even on a regular weekend, I recommend getting there by 9 or so, to get a good parking spot.
So, take some spare gas, plugs and a tire pump. A cell phone that will work in the mountains isn't a bad idea either. Get yourself one of those maps. TAKE RAIN GEAR!! I bought some of those hunting waterproof pants from Meijers. I always wear them when I ride, it sure keeps the mud off me. Som decent waterproof boots will help to. Even though it's the south in March. It gets chilly, good gloves, prefereably waterproof ones will be a big help. We installed hand and thumb warmers on all our machines and they help out alot.
I think you will love it there, I know I do.
Scott
Posted by: Predator03
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Originally posted by: moto93
Predator03,
I too live in Michigan (about 12 miles N of the Ohio line) and rarely ever ride here. I've been thinking about Windrock and have a few questions: how long of a drive is it and is it kid friendly? Both my kids have been riding for years and can do most anything I can. LMK
Thanks,
Windrock is great for the whole family. My Mom and Dad both in their 60's are hooked on riding there. Both of them have ridden some of the hardest trails to ride there and love it. My son and neice are 15/16 respectively, and rode there for the first time at 13.
We have been very fortunate to have the time to spend getting used to the riding and the terrain. All of us are pretty good riders now, which opens up more of the place to explore. There are still trails there that are not really ridable, but there is so much more, that's just a small part. If you start out on the easier trails and work your way up to to more moderate ones, there's plenty to keep you busy for a long time.
Having the Sportsman 500's have been a big bonus too. Those machines ride so well, and do so much of the work for you, that it's made riding alot easier for the kids and my parents. I ride a Predator sport quad, and I really enjoy it. It is ALOT more challenging though, and I suppose thats what makes it so much more fun, for me any ways.
If I'm in my truck, without the trailer, I can go from my house just north of Detroit to Windrock in exactly 8 hours. Considering it's around 4 hours to get to anywhere in Michigan worth riding, I'd lot rather go to Windrock. We are good friends with a good ole boy that lives down the street from Windrock, and he let's us keep our machines at his house. Saves us alot of work and expense.
You get off the highway at exit 122 in Tennessee. It's 38 miles into the state. It's another hour to Windrock from I-75. That should give you a better idea of how far it is from you.
Scott
Posted by: Predator03
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Originally posted by: EasterEgg
Predator the info is great for us first timers and many thanks.
We will be going April 28th throuth May 2nd and I have a couple of questions.
1. We will be doing the primitive camping thing with campers. Is it one big open area or like a camp ground with seperate spots off the road? We would like to be away from all the "pit racers" if you konw what I mean. Are ther secluded spots for say 3 RV's with trailers together?
2. How far away is a town with a dealership (kaw,hod,yam) or at least an autoparts store for parts?
We're all riding bigbore 4x4's and looking forward to the riding but not the 12 to 13hrs drive each wayhr>
There is a lot set up at the lower end of the parking lot for campers. There's also another small lot just down the street, which is usually not crowded. We stay in the first one I mentioned. They have had problems with idiots racing up and down the driveway. You won't be affected by that, other than the noise and aggravation. That other lot would be a little more out of the way, and you'd probably enjoy it better. We kinda like to at least be able to see some of the action. Plus, we like everyone to know that those guys from Michigan are back....
Oliver Springs in the closes town to Windrock. Off the main road in Oliver Springs, is a paved road. It's about three miles down to the riding area. Oliver Springs has gas, a Food City, fast food, hardware store, most things a small town would have. There is a Kawasaki dealer within 10 miles or so of Windrock. It's close to Oak ridge, which is about 5 miles from Oliver Springs. I'm pretty sure it's called Greene's. J's atv's is in Clinton, about the same distance away. I've bought stuff from there before, they are good people. I bought my Predator in Jacksboro. Other than Polaris of Knoxville, it's the closest Polaris dealer. I'd recommend the Jacksboro guys to any Polaris owners. Those guys are the best. It's about 45 minutes from Windrock. There is a small Napa parts place in Oliver Springs, they don't have tons of stuff there. There is an Autozone or Advance in Oak Ridge. There are plenty of hotels in Oak Ridge too, and if you like sweet tea, go to Sagebrush. Oak Ridge is a good sized town, and you'll find just about whatever you're looking for there.
The real problem with primitive camping is water and electric. There isn't really any place to fill up your water tanks nearby. You might try talking to one of the gas stations or hotels. We have a secret source, sorry that's classified...lol. Actually, we modified our motorhome by adding another tank. We now have two forty gallon tanks plus the hot water. We took one of those 55 gallon plastic drums, glued pvc pipe to the bung, and bought a pump from Home Depot. We use that to fill the motorhome without having to move it. You can fill your propane tanks down in Oliver Springs. Greenes is right next to the railroad tracks.
The only thing bad about the long drive, is the fact that you have to go so far to ride. I wished it was alot closer to me, but it is well worth it. There are some guys from New Hampshire that come down there. They love it, and I feel bad they can't come more often because of that long drive.
That's all I can think of right now. If you have any other questions, I'd be happy to answer them. I'm always glad to help people learn about Windrock, it's a great place.
Scott
Posted by: Predator03
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Originally posted by: BADBRONCO
Just wondering if anyone could tell me how the trail conditions are this time of year?
They have gotten alot of rain lately. Spring is a very wet time down there. The trails will be wet and muddy, normally. I had Maxxi Razrs on my Pred that were useless. I put Blackwaters on the back and that helped, but they wear down too quickly. If you have a more aggresive tire, it will help. You'll also need to adjust to the lack of ground clearance because of the ruts and rocks. Over time, your riding skills will over come alot of that.
You may also want to consider gearing your machine down for the ride. For the cost of a smaller sprocket in the front, it will help you ride there, at least at first. For a while, I didn't think I'd ever get better at riding my Pred. I kept stalling on the rocks and ruts. I dropped a tooth in the front and it helped me out a great deal. You're really not going to get a chance to wind it out very much there, so the lower end help is better, in my opinion.
Scott
Posted by: Predator03
I ride with someone who has been to both. As stated here before, the trails are similar. Windrock definitely has them beat in the rock department. Personally, the rocks don't bother me much. Especially considering the trails here in Michigan are so whooped out.
I like the freedom that Windrock offers. I think it's more suited to people that are responsible. There are the knuckleheads there, and the more publicity Windrock gets, the worse the problem has become. When we started riding there a few years ago, you could go on most weekdays, and have the whole place to yourself. Even on the weekends, sometimes there would be less than 30-40 riders. Now that word has gotten out, the crowds have gotten waaaay bigger. Which is good, except that it also brings more idiots into the mix. My fear is that they will end up ruining it for everyone. I like the choice of whether to wear a helmet, whether to ride double, or whether or not to ride at night. Those choices are not available at Hatfields. The police really don't have much reason to hang around in the parking lot. Mr. Greene is the law there, but he can only do so much. It'd be nice if people would just wake up, before things get too far out of hand. One can only hope, I reckon.
Jeeps are not allowed on all the trails. There are a handfull that they can ride. One of the more popular trails is trail 16. Unfortunately, the jeeps keep tearing that one up. You probably won't run into any on the other side of the highway, and I think the riding is better over there anyways. Of course, the locals keep tearing the signs down, so unless you know the area, it does make it harder. I've been lucky enough to have the time to learn the area. I'm always happy to take people and show them around. We have a nice all day ride that we take newbies on that will take them on trails they most likely wouldn't ever see. Hopefully, more and more experienced Windrockers will do the same.
As far as the sport quad comment goes. You have to be a good rider to ride one there. The trails are more technical. The rocks and the hills make it tougher, and more challenging. I've ridden thousands of miles there on my Predator, so it can be done. It's easier on a utility, but I'd much rather ride my sport quad. My parents both ride Sportsmans, and my Dad has been on all but a couple of the trails. I've even taken my Mom on 16, 18 and Roundrock. Not bad for a couple of grandparents. So, there is riding there for everyone, on every kind of machine.
If you take the time to ride Windrock, it will make you a better rider. It'll also put a smile on your face. Man, I wish I were there now.
Posted by: Predator03
I'm sorry I didn't answer these replies sooner, I just didn't see them until I saw Eiger's message to me a few minutes ago.
HC, I think I might be able to do a long weekend, April 8th. I always like showing new people around. It's almost like it's the first time for me when I do. If you are there then, let me know...as long as you're not an Auburn fan...Roll Tide!!!!
Eiger, you can camp there and you don't have to leave the parking areas at night. If you're going to the Jamboree, I'd recommend getting there at least a day earlier. That place really fills up. Personally, I'd go ANY other time. But, if you're meeting up with people, then by all means.....
Scott
Posted by: Predator03
Yeah, that hill can be a tough one, especially coming up it when it's muddy. You wouldn't have had any problem making the rest of 16 on your Sportsman. I've ridden it numerous times on my Predator. Even taken my MOM on it. She likes that trail alot. Riding the Sportsman on that trail makes it pretty easy actually, so next time just do it.
Yeah Moles, there are Bama fans all the way up here. That's where we're from originally. Born in Anniston. We don't hate the Vols, especially when we are riding Windrock. Although, the big letters ROLL TIDE on the back of the motorhome tells everyone where our allegiance lies.
It looks like we will be there on Thursday. I think I'm going to have a whole week to ride. If any of you are going to be there, look for us. We'll be in the motorhome down in the lower parking lot. If you see any of the regular club guys, just ask them where the guys from Michigan are at, they should be able to tell you.
I wanted to ask you HC, did you make it on the other side of the highway? If you're going to be there when we are, I can show you all the trails over there, and some that are not on the map. The only problem we have riding on some of the trails we love, is that they are on Royal Blue. So far, we have never met up with anyone checking for permits to ride there. But, I'm kinda nervous about getting ticketed. It's too bad really, there are some AWESOME trails over there. We were getting 40-50 miles away from the parking lot. The trails there are not all beat up from riding. I'm hoping to make it back over that way.
Scott
Posted by: Predator03
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Originally posted by: mudflapper
I am truly impressed with your vast knowledge of WindRock,living so far away and all.So much so it embarasses me at to tell you that i live only 30 miles from there and never rode there. Being a truck driver I just dont have time anymore. The next time your down this way,Coming south on I-75 at the top of the mountain ,take Royal Blue Exit 141 .turn left and follow the main road out 1 mile till it turns to gravel follow it out to 3 big parking lots .unload there and your in for a treat. Royal Blue Wildlife Reserve.But keep in mind ,these trails are not marked ,and 4x4"s will be present.but not many . all trails basicly lead back to the main road thru there.it has lake beds ,lots of creeks ,(some DEEP) ,rocky hill climbs,.its next best thing to windrock .(just not as rough) You can also camp anywhere you want .if you want to ride all night ,or ride with no helment, go for it,It would take days to ride it all . Its a little more laid back than windrock and kid friendly.i hope every one will stop and try it. i never ride anywhere else.
Thanks for the kind words mudflapper. I've just been real fortunate to have had the time to ride the trails. The first day we started riding there, I got the map and studied it so that I knew every inch of it. At the time, there were 22 trails marked. So everything, including the other side of the highway, was unmarked. Having the knowledge of the marked trails opened up all the unmarked ones. I met up with a guy from Nashville. He's been riding there a couple of years longer than me. He rode there when you didn't even pay. So we hooked up and started exploring. Our first trip to the Flats in Caryville, was done almost exclusively on unmarked trails. It was a 95 mile 11 1/2 hour trip. I loved it. My dad and my son also went. We were totally hooked. That's why we keep coming back. One of the club guys, Rinkidink, also was very helpful in figuring out some of the off Windrock trails. He gave me a hand made map showing stuff all the way to Smoky Junction. He had learned from another guy, someone who know the trails better than I do. I rode with that guy and learned some from him, and even showed him a couple he didn't know about. So, it's all about finding good people to ride with. I'm usually real good at remembering trails, and so is my buddy Wayne. Which is good, cause we've found ourselves without any idea where we were at. Not the best feeling when you are 40 miles from the lot. But, it's always worked out. The exploring is the most fun part for me.
I bought my Predator down in Jacksboro, at Twin Cove. If you ever need to buy a machine, I highly recommend them, or even for service. Jim's a good ole boy, and he's the owner. Eugene is the mechanic. They've always done us right. I've never felt cheated in any way, and they go out of their way to be helpful. Any ways, Eugene wants us to ride with him. He goes to some places near Jacksboro, but I can't remember the names of the places. I think he said something about some sand caves. Not sure. I think he told me that riding there had been cut off. I'd like to go there with him sometime, sounded like some more great riding. I guess the biggest problem with riding at Royal Blue is the price. Somewhere around 150 bucks for out of staters is too steep. Maybe if we ever get tired of riding Windrock. We did have a guy who wanted to take us to LaFollette from Windrock. If we get time this summer, maybe. Still concerned about getting ticketed though. We'll probably wait and see.
Scott
Posted by: Predator03
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Originally posted by: camodiak450
pred03. you going down this week (easter). four more coming from michigan, maybe we'll see ya down there. i've spoken (in threads) with you before. under quadstock. we will be there thursday and leaving monday. i know you'll be camping right? we'll be at the double tree. we'll be driving a red 04 350 with an enclosed and blue 03 250 with an enclosed. if we don't meet up, have a fun and safe trip.........tim
Yeah Tim, I remember you from MATVA. I didn't spend too much time on that board. I always kept talking about Windrock, which wasn't too popular of a subject. Which I understand perfectly. We only rode in Michigan a handful of times before we went to Windrock, and it ruined it for us. If I've got to drive 4 1/2 to 5 hours to ride, I'd lot rather go south. We met up with a guy that lives on Windrock road, and we leave our machines at his house. It saves us a lot of time and expense. I'd like to go back to Bull Gap sometime though.
Unless we don't get there early enough on Thursday, we'll be in the lower parking lot. I have a set ride that we take new guys on. Some of it's marked, some not. It's not a difficult ride, but it's probably on some trails you wouldn't normally know about. It's a good weekend ride, gets you away from the crowds. Come down and look for us. Just look for the ROLL TIDE on the back of the motorhome.
Scott
Posted by: Predator03
Hey Mudflapper,
It looks like I'll be there either Thursday or Friday. The place with the sand caves is Tackett Creek isn't it? I think thats what Eugene told me. I can't see any reason why you'd want to head north to ride. You're just not going to find anything better than what you got down there. We've got over 3500 miles of trails in the lower peninsula of Michigan. But it's all flat, whooped out, and rather boring. You'd do better to explore Windrock.
I've been to the flats lots of times. What a great view. Have you been to Norris Dam? That looks real purty from the flats.
I've got another question for you. I've heard of some hill climbs around Bryceville. Have you ever heard of them, and know where they are?
Scott
Posted by: Predator03
Hey eiger,
They had a few posts about it on Windrock's site. I was just on there and found it, but they are having technical difficulties. It's somewhere around that price. I guess you can get a sportsman hunting license and that will do the same thing, but I think it's still around a hundred bucks. But go to Windrock's site and find out for sure.
Windrock is really a bargain to me. 72,000 acres for 50 bucks a year?? Can't beat it. I'm getting more excited just knowing I'll be there in a couple of days.
Scott
Posted by: Predator03
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Originally posted by: eiger2
Predeto03, $50 seems like a bargain if it is only half what people say it is. Haspin Acres charges $15 per day and its only 650 acres and very rutted out. The shoe is $800 a year and you can see OVER the biggest hill there and it floods every time it rains.
Oh yeah, it's definitely a bargain. It's funny. The first time we planned to go to Windrock. We were going there for 3 days and then 4 days to the Badlands. We've never quite made it to the Badlands. We laugh every time we're heading down there, and pass by I-71, I think that's the highway to Indianapolis.
Scott
Posted by: Predator03
Sorry Moles, we avoid the big rides. It's just too crazy there. The way I see it, the only reason for me to come then is to meet up with some specific people to ride with. The people we ride with regularly are there whenever we are. Or, some people come so they can go on group rides. Mostly cause they don't know the area. Since I normally lead, and have been on just about every inch of the place, there's just no reason for us to come then and put up with the huuuuuge crowds. It's crowded enough on a regular weekend. Having said that, we are taking a chance being there this weekend.
My parents and the kids will be there tomorrow afternoon. I should be there Friday afternoon. Stop by....just look for the roll tide on the back of the motorhome......Scott
Posted by: Predator03
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Originally posted by: eiger2
Moles, where were you? We got there Weds afternoon, blue f150 with a tent in the bed and a tent on the ground next to it.
The riding was awsome. the weather was a lil rainy at time but it only knocked down the dust. 250 miles in 3 days is a lot of riding for us. The windrock guides like to ride FAST and we loved it. Only bout 5 quads were able to keep up, we waited on the rest.
We got our moneys worth!!!!!!!! We're going back. In fact Og had such a good time he went out and bought a new f350 for the next trip down.
We may try to make it may 15-16.
Uh-oh, looks like someone else has been bitten by the Windrock bug. I tried to warn ya....Scott
Posted by: Predator03
Will do. We have mentioned being there for Memorial day. But it's not for certain yet.
If I was absolutely certain there was no chance of getting ticketed for riding off Coal Creek property. I could show you a boat load of trails.
Posted by: BADBRONCO
Me and my buddy are going to head down to Tennesse next week to ride at Windrock and I was wondering if anyone could tell me what I can expect there or any other info that might be useful?
Posted by: BADBRONCO
Scott,You say like some destinations are like 30 miles from the parking lot.Is there any place to get gas on the way or should we invest in a 6 pack rack.Thanks for all the info.
Posted by: BADBRONCO
We will probably be riding there for 3 days
Posted by: BADBRONCO
Just wondering if anyone could tell me how the trail conditions are this time of year?
Posted by: BADBRONCO
Wel I just got back and what a Ride many of the trails we rode were pretty tough on a sport quad. many of the hills where ruted out pretty bad and if we fel in the ruts we would be stuck. overall we had a great time. You were right when you said the trails on the north side aren't marked very good we had to do a lot of back trackin to find the right trail a few times
Posted by: jjp
I went with badbronco to windrock and I feel it was worth the drive not being able to ride any where around here right now.The trails were marked easy,moderate,and hard.The moderate trails were very tough and we got stuck on most of them,either on rocks or ruts.The hard trails we couldn't even really do.Also I'd throw some 22' tires and junk rims on,mine look very nasty.My skidplate is also about wore through so you may want to upgrade that.
Posted by: 2TV
Mrs. Q, since you&39;ve experienced both Coal Creek (Windrock) and Hatfield McCoy, which one to you prefer and why (if I may ask)? I was curious about Coal Creek myself and was contemplating a trip down there sometime…
Posted by: scaboy
I'll be at the spring jamboree, but can't get there til saturday (gotta work.
Hope you guys will will hold a parking spot for me. HAHAHAHAHA
Funny aint I , Anywho I'll be driving a red 95 full size chevy 1500 and
pulling the uglyest homebuilt trailer you'll see in the lot, If you see me
come say HI.
peace
scaboy
Posted by: scaboy
Just got back from windrock, man its a dustbowl right know.BR>Hope it rains alittle for the jamboree.
B.T.W.
They have the first half of P1 and ALL of trail 14 closed right now.
Maybe getting ready for the jamboree, or maybe becouse some lady had to be
airlifted out a couple of weeks ago, after flipping backwards on THE HILL.
Anyone thats ever ridden trail 14 knows what i'm talking about.
Anyone got the lowdown on the real reason why they have these areas clossed?
please share
peace
scaboy
Posted by: LimonFresco
Haven't been there yet either but there are lots of threads about it. Do a search for Wind Rock or Coal Creek and you should find lots of info on it. Also windrockatv.com is a great resource for this area.
Posted by: eiger2
The Jamboree is april 21 - 25. any one else going? Will it be too crowded for a couple newbies. (p650&Eiger)
Can you camp and ride or is trailering neccesary every day?
Posted by: eiger2
Hey predator, where did you get that $150 figure? I could only find RV camping rates of about $20 a night. Maybe I didnt look far enough.
Oh well, we're going down weds. for the Jamboree and staying at the Windrock campground. We'll have an RV so we may need a ride into town for the activities at the headquarters (ride sign ups, etc).
Posted by: eiger2
Yes! we'll be there. At the Windrock campground. We'll prolly be in the RV so I may be looking for a ride into town for the stuff at the motel. We plan to sign up for some of the guided rides on thurs and fri. We'll arrive weds afternoon.
Posted by: eiger2
Predeto03, $50 seems like a bargain if it is only half what people say it is. Haspin Acres charges $15 per day and its only 650 acres and very rutted out. The shoe is $800 a year and you can see OVER the biggest hill there and it floods every time it rains.
Posted by: eiger2
we're coming BECAUSE of the big crowd. It'll be our first time and this seems to be a great way to meet some new riders and see what the place is all about. The fun and games are very appealling. We plan to get there early and stay late.
One concern we have, is there drinking on the trails?
Moles, will you be in a tent or RV? I'm not sure yet what we will be driving.
Posted by: eiger2
I guess since helmets aren't required, they should be recommended?
Posted by: eiger2
Moles, where were you? We got there Weds afternoon, blue f150 with a tent in the bed and a tent on the ground next to it.
The riding was awsome. the weather was a lil rainy at time but it only knocked down the dust. 250 miles in 3 days is a lot of riding for us. The windrock guides like to ride FAST and we loved it. Only bout 5 quads were able to keep up, we waited on the rest.
We got our moneys worth!!!!!!!! We're going back. In fact Og had such a good time he went out and bought a new f350 for the next trip down.
We may try to make it may 15-16.
Posted by: eiger2
Biten???????!
Heck we were swallowed whole!!!!!!!!!!!!!BR>
Scott, let us know when yer going down and we'll try to be there too. The guides took us to the other side of the highway both days so we don't know the south side too well. We did find the windmills and some guy took us inside one.
Posted by: eiger2
So were we! We were right next door. Blue 150 with a tent in the bed and a tent on the ground. Green p650 and red Eiger. Across from the outhouse. Were you with the big group?
The place was a blast! We'll be back.
Posted by: 2002SP400
Went for the first time in January. Due to complications with a buddy's 1 year old truck breaking on the way down our riding time was cut short because I had to shuttle trailers. Even so we all thought it was a great place to ride and will be going back soon. The trails ranged from the easiest I've ever seen to the hardest I've ever seen. The maps were pretty good. Watch for work trucks coming down the gravel trails. One guy had to adjust his carb when we got up high. I don't think I would even ride the medium trails without 4x4 and a winch.
Posted by: 2002SP400
Did you think it was worth the drive BADBRONCO? What was the hardest "level" of trail you went on if you remember? Most of my partners have sport quads so what should we stay away from next time.
Posted by: Moles
A Bama fan in Michigan, I thought they had all of you guys firmly locked up in Alabama. Go Vols. Seriously though Scott, sounds like you have really ridden this place. I have been once and am going back w/ my buddies 21-25. Eiger2 hit me up if you are coming down, you to Scott. Here is my take on this place. Run your tires at the appropriate pressure. Too much air will kill you and can only invite rocks to introduce themselves to the inside of your tires. Get a map and keep it clean, you will use it all day. Goggles, even if it has rained recently, the gravel roads you sometimes get on will be dusty. If a trail is marked moderate, count on it being difficult. Trail 16 is 4.8 miles and Scott hit the nail on the head by saying ride away from the parking area, not towards. The day we rode, it was 12 degrees and the trails were completely frozen, no traction at all. God bless the people from Bristol that were all packing brand new Sportsman 700's equiped w/ winches. They even got stuck. That trail, that day took us nearly 6 hours to complete. Pack for the worst, then pack some more. you need to have at least one flashlight and a way to start a fire (if you got stranded) and some kind of snack food. Be prepared like you are a Boy Scout. Let me know if you have any other questions. Hope this helps you.
Oh yeah, do not ride alone and make sure you have a tow strap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Moles
Any of you guys coming down for the spring ride. i think april 21st-25th.
Posted by: Moles
hey eiger2 and scaboy, we are headed over on Friday the 25th. Driving a black Expidition and will be staying in the campground also. Sounds like I need to bring some extra steaks for the campfire. The mexican restaraunt by I-40 in Harriman is not bad, but there is not much else. Pred03, are you coming down or is the notice to short?
Posted by: Moles
Brad, look for a black Expedition, we will be tenting it in the Windrock campground. I've got to check w/my buddies I ride w/ for more specifics. Will let you know more, when I know more.
Posted by: Moles
Brad, sorry i haven't gotten back to you before now. My computer got hit by the sasser virus. we were there, we just didn't take the expedition. we were at the windrock campground, about 2 miles away. Red f150 w/ green enclosed cargo trailer. we were camped near the guy on the v-force who went head on into the concrete barrier on Friday night. Great weekend, we took a nice 27 mile night ride on Sat.
Posted by: mudflapper
I am truly impressed with your vast knowledge of WindRock,living so far away and all.So much so it embarasses me at to tell you that i live only 30 miles from there and never rode there. Being a truck driver I just dont have time anymore. The next time your down this way,Coming south on I-75 at the top of the mountain ,take Royal Blue Exit 141 .turn left and follow the main road out 1 mile till it turns to gravel follow it out to 3 big parking lots .unload there and your in for a treat. Royal Blue Wildlife Reserve.But keep in mind ,these trails are not marked ,and 4x4"s will be present.but not many . all trails basicly lead back to the main road thru there.it has lake beds ,lots of creeks ,(some DEEP) ,rocky hill climbs,.its next best thing to windrock .(just not as rough) You can also camp anywhere you want .if you want to ride all night ,or ride with no helment, go for it,It would take days to ride it all . Its a little more laid back than windrock and kid friendly.i hope every one will stop and try it. i never ride anywhere else.
Posted by: mudflapper
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Originally posted by: hc
Mudflapper, can you post some links to web sites for Royal Blue Wildlife Management Area?
And can you ride from windrock to Royal Blue Wildlife Management Area on atv's?
Thanks
HC...Glad you liked it...as far as i know you cant get from windrock to royal blue.all the way by trail,But i have went in at caryville flats and got halfway..that would be new river,but you would have to travel across the mountain and about 10 miles futher after all on paved road.i would"nt advise that.
The sand caves you talked about is absaloutly breath taking...it is very well hidden ,and has about 150 foot waterfall coming down the center of a horseshoe like cliff,not alot of water but just just enough to put you to sleep in a heartbeat..you have to park 200 feet away and take a goat path up a small hill and around some rocks ,and the coolest thing about the hole thing is .there is 7 diffrent colors of sand under the cliff in small patches about the size of a 5 gallon bucket, and all 7 colors of sand is in a area of about 50 feet.i took a real old pepsi bottle with me and made me a nice little thingy in layers.If i remember right ,the guy that took me said Indians lived there.The ride out to it is only about an hour and a half one way,if ride straight to it. Lord its been 5 years since ive been there.
The links your talking about .Well i just dont have a clue how to do that .I just joined yesterday and your the first one i ever wrote to. Maybe you can do it..go to engine search.I used Yahoo ,and type in Royal Blue Wildlife Management Area. maybeill figure out this stuff in here out soon,cause this is a very cool web site,cause if people come from as far as 700 miles just to ride in my backyard makes me feel pretty lucky..drop me a line when you come back and we might hook up if im not out on the road.have you ever been to wellsville ohio to ride ?weare going the week before memorial day.whe web sites look pretty impressive..
Posted by: camodiak450
pred03. you going down this week (easter). four more coming from michigan, maybe we'll see ya down there. i've spoken (in threads) with you before. under quadstock. we will be there thursday and leaving monday. i know you'll be camping right? we'll be at the double tree. we'll be driving a red 04 350 with an enclosed and blue 03 250 with an enclosed. if we don't meet up, have a fun and safe trip.........tim
