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Posted by: jackrabbit
Here in Quebec, almost everybody are riding double on a 4x4 during the winter. Our trails are groomed and levelled, so they are not dangerous. My decision to go with a Bombardier 2-seater was to provide more comfort on longer rides for my girlfriend. Riding double is safe, as long as you let your passenger down when climbing steep rough hills.
Posted by: WhoDatInDaMud
We rode double on our Polaris 500 for two years - then we went over backwards going up a hill. Fortunetly my wife was able to roll to the side and avoid the quad going over on its rear bumper. She had a green brake to her arm. I wasn't as lucky. Broken collar bone - laterally, two broken ribs, cracked hip. That was 9 months ago. Next month I go in for surgery to plate the colar bone that hasn't healed. $12,000 in medical bills to get to this point. The surgery will double that. Total lost time from work will be 3-4 weeks.
Since that event we bought a 2k3 Arctic Cat TRV which is built for two riders. If we would have been on the TRV last december we would never have had a problem. The longer wheel base and the additional room for the driver to move freely makes a big big difference.
I see a lot of people riding 2up also. I recommend using something built for it rather then overloading and miss-loading a single rider quad. The TRV isn't much different in price then a single rider unit of same size and options.
But nobody listens to anyone else so just reply with the address of the hospital near you and possibly you can look forward to some get well cards. I know I did.
Posted by: WhoDatInDaMud
Well, If we all did whatever we wanted to - the freeway would be a interesting place. Regulations for atv's, aircraft, boats, cars etc. are in my opinion the mininum operating standards. Having respect for the other people we put at risk is whats its all about. My skydiving friends - as crazy as they are - hold the regulations up as the quidelines to not get dead.
Posted by: BluRock
This is an interesting posting. What happended to individuals being responsible for their own actions? The safest bet is to not ride an ATV at all; one must know their limitiations. I have been riding double for many years but I ride very responsibly when my rider (usually my wife) is on the back. There are places you can ride double and there are places you should not, no matter how safe you ride. I compare the way I ride to riding a horse, no helment, saftey restraints, etc. When I was younger and rode crazy, I rode by myself and wore protective gear, i.e., helment, riding boots, chest protector, etc. I think if a person, or persons, wants to ride double then it should be their individual decision. There are too many regulations in this country now to start tackling off-road enthusiasts. I respect opinions on both sides of this issue but I strongly feel it should be up to the individual rider. However you ride, ride safe........BluRock
Posted by: Mack400
i just came back from Tug Hill in Northern New York and they didn't say anaything about us riding double. I was told they appreciate a backrest box that is bolted and not just bungied down(not from authority just a person that rides there often). You can ride the streets and all and go to eat and gas up while riding, a very ATV friendly place.
Posted by: Mack400
Gee, I was responding last night to this ATTITUDE but I said why bother cause their is alot of truth in what is being said but all of us do not ride like it is our last day on Earth and we all do not have sport quads either. Maybe an ID like "Ralph Nader" with "CPS" boldly imprinted on the helmet is in order not that I ..........WANT TO OFFEND ANYONE.
When someone asks for info; it doesn't hurt to supply it.
Posted by: Quadcrew
I don't think you can learn how to ride by riding double. I was new last year to the sport, we just started me out on a small quad. (Bombardier Rally 200cc) It is a great starter quad (not expensive at all) - and you would be able to really learn how to maneuver one. I am still learning - and know when something is beyond my capabilities. I wouldn't feel comfortable being a passenger. (JMO) Mrs. Q
Posted by: blackballed
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Originally posted by: Mack400
i just came back from Tug Hill in Northern New York and they didn't say anaything about us riding double. I was told they appreciate a backrest box that is bolted and not just bungied down(not from authority just a person that rides there often). You can ride the streets and all and go to eat and gas up while riding, a very ATV friendly place.
........."And you might want to 'bolt down' that cargo box instead of 'bungying it'; just so your non-sticker-reading passsenger doesn't fly off the back of that thing......"
And there are how many of you out there hollering about the fact that atv riders should deserve more "respect"?
Posted by: blackballed
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Originally posted by: Backseatrider2
What is so wrong with riding double? I have done it for a few years and have not gotten hurt.
"See above"
Thanks, Who-Dat........you just might have prevented someone from getting hurt by your honesty.........hope your surgery goes well.
Posted by: blackballed
I'd have to agree with Mrs.Q.............as much as I respect your right to ride double in any area that allows it (until people like myself and others do their damnest to shut this activity down for single place machines).....I really don't see you learning a darn thing about quad riding; other than it wasn't very smart to trust your life to somebody else in the first place (and I don't care how much you "love" or "trust" them).
This isn't meant to offend one bit......I just don't want you to learn something the hard way. BR>
Posted by: blackballed
I have no problem with people who scream about all this "it's my right" crap..........as long as they have enough discretionary income to find someone stupid enough to insure/cover them for the rest of their lives when their little daughter has to give up her "sippee cup" to feed Daddy.
Yet these people don't seem to think it should work that way..........no more insurance coverage than anyone else.........and its the general public's responsibility to make sure their butt gets wiped and that they have a computer they can work by blowing through a straw (and please take care of my "family" while you're at it).
You won't find anybody much more ignorant and selfish than a guy who throws somebody on the back of his rig and tells them everything will be "o.k."..........and when something happens to that significant other?............he sure as hell doesn't want people pointing fingers at HIM; for what he tries desperately to point to as a simple "act of God". STRONG>
Posted by: memento
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Originally posted by: Backseatrider2
What is so wrong with riding double? I have done it for a few years and have not gotten hurt.
It's typically illegal to do so unless the ATV was designed for it. Again we see the perspective of "I haven't gotten hurt, so it must be ok". Do you also ride without a helmet because you haven't bashed your skull in yet?
Posted by: memento
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Originally posted by: Backseatrider2
I agree with that...I could get hurt any time...You can get hurt on your own to...I agree that it is my choice if i want to ride double or not...and if it is so illegal then why is that i have been places that there is law enforcement checking ids but did not care at all that you were riding double....It is my choice..i know it is on safe and anything could happen...but i also could get hit on the road walking to..
The difference is that walking is not clearly illegal.
I said this before in this thread (http://forums.atvconnection.com/messageview.cfm/catid/24/threadid/354525.cfm) and I'll say it again here. If a cop saw you riding double and didn't give you a ticket, how does that mean that it's legal or ok? I've seen people blow stop signs and red lights in front of cops and they didn't pull them over. By your logic, it is then legal to run red lights and stop signs? I think he was either being tolerant or he was too lazy to write you up. Just because nobody "gripes about it", that doesn't mean it's legal. Ignorance is never an excuse for disobeying the law.
And in response to your other post, I don't own or know anyone who owns a motorcycle. I know nothing about motorcycle laws so I won't discuss it.
New York State laws regarding ATV use are located here:
http://www.nysdmv.com/broch/c29.htm
Under the heading "YOU MAY NEVER OPERATE AN ATV:" the first 2 bullets are "Other than while seated on the permanent, regular seat." and "With a passenger, unless the ATV is designed to carry a passenger."
The law is clear and I doubt that the statement "YOU MAY NEVER OPERATE AN ATV With a passenger, unless the ATV is designed to carry a passenger." is open to any interpretation.
Posted by: memento
It may be my opinion, but I have backed it up with facts (NYS law). I have taken the liberty of researching Ohio state law (because you apparently don't know) and there is nothing mentioned about riding 2up. fine then. Ohio allows it. I shut up. I would have shut up sooner if you had known the laws in your own state.
Fun police? get bent. If riding safe can't be fun, then maybe so. But I have a blast and will not become a statistic due to lack of safety. You don't think that the Sierra Club and other eco-nazis have other states in their sights? They are looking for ammo to use in their quest to ban ATVs and people getting killed are just what they're looking for. Maybe because you're in Idaho you don't understand what we're dealing with here in the East. Read some of the rules we have to deal with in NY and realize that we are not allowed to ride on public lands except maybe some small areas in the extreme north of the state.
Posted by: memento
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Originally posted by: DirtVH
...I will take back the fun police statement if people will quit trying to refer to everyone who disagrees with them as being juvenile or babies....
WHOA! stop right there. There is NO post of mine where I have called ANYONE a juvenile or baby! I choose my words carefully and I don't call people names. It never even occurred to me that someone here might be acting childish. Call me the "fun police" if that's what you want to do, but do not put words into my mouth!
Posted by: memento
no harm done and point taken.
Posted by: GYTR
I went to wayne national forest last weekend. There were about 6 quads riding double and it is awsome there.
Posted by: DirtVH
It is only illegal in a few represive states were the liberals have made it so. The stickers are on the machines as part of an agreement made back when they were banning ATCs 3-wheelers. Yes you have to use extra care and stay on milder terrain. Some of the guys on these forums are self apointed fun police and never do anything wrong. They only post on here to tell everyone what they are doing is wrong. Ignore them they are an unfortunate fact of free internet. Their advice and rebukes are wht they live for. Most people ride double at sometime or another just be careful.
Posted by: DirtVH
The person asked for places where they could ride double. They did not ask to get attacked. You could post that were you live it is ilegal, and that in your opinion it isn't safe. Jumping on everyone doesn't help and makes them less likely to help with the fight to keep places open. I guess I am just tired of seeing someone who is new ask a question at get jumped on for it. My tone may have been more arguementive than needed to be? But there are several people on here who just seem to wait for someone to ask a question or post something so they can jump on them. If you express your opinion they will listen, but just like yourself, jump on them and they don't care what you say. We need every ATV, Motorcycle, and 4X4 owner on ourside not driven away from the groups that could unite more of them to the cause.
I will take back the fun police statement if people will quit trying to refer to everyone who disagrees with them as being juvenile or babies. I am truely sorry about the crap you guys out east have to put up with to many uneducated welfare morons in the cities who vote democrat and think they are doing something good for the enviroment by supporting some eco-nazi groups. I write letters in support of you fights to law maker all the time. That is who I usually save my writting venom for.
Posted by: DirtVH
memento, sorry about that I was responding on another post were someone had called me an idiot for disagreeing with them they had also called people punks and said they were imature. It was early and I confused part of that with this post. What has me really upset is the way some people get jumped on for asking a question. I am not here to pick fights with people. I really use the information I recieve here and I try to be helpful when my limited knowledge can be put to good use. I would much rather build friendships and try to work together as an ATVing community. I do get cranky and sometime blast back when I feel people are being given a harder time than they deserve. If they ask a question answer it, don't lecture them on a forum thats not why they come here. Some threads are different they are started for debate in those debate away (I do). I did not feel that Backseatrider needed to be jumped on. She asked a question because she is trying to enjoy the same sport we enjoy. Sorry that I offended you I hadn't had enough coffee this morning.
Posted by: Backseatrider2
Posted by: Backseatrider2
What is so wrong with riding double? I have done it for a few years and have not gotten hurt.
Posted by: Backseatrider2
I know that everyone is entitled to thier own opinion. It is safer for me to ride double for right now because i do not know how to ride. I am leaning for my first time. I respect everyones opinion and i understand the dangers, all i was looking for was areas that you are allowed to ride double. I feel safe when i am riding double, we have a Honda Rincon, with a box that has a seat. I feel much safer doing that, then trying to ride certain places on my own. I would probably hurt myself no matter what. and its not like I am going to say no I can't go, b/c i can't ride, i love to see new areas. So until i can ride better that is what I am left with. I was only looing for places to ride.
Posted by: Backseatrider2
I agree with that...I could get hurt any time...You can get hurt on your own to...I agree that it is my choice if i want to ride double or not...and if it is so illegal then why is that i have been places that there is law enforcement checking ids but did not care at all that you were riding double....It is my choice..i know it is on safe and anything could happen...but i also could get hit on the road walking to..
Posted by: Backseatrider2
And by the way i can ride double on a motorcycle doing 65 and not wearing a helmet and that is ok...nobody gripes about that....but you are going to give me grief about that....I guess are choices are just different. Besides that is not what i asked for on this forum
Posted by: Backseatrider2
I am done with the whole thing...you guys have your opinions i have mine...I live in Ohio where it is legal to ride a motorcycle without a helmet down the highway. What ever...this is not why i made this forum any how...you have your opinion I have mine and there not the same...so we need to get over it..
