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Posted by: ATVdave
I was just at LBL last Saturday 26th. There are no cabins in the OHV area, but there is camping, no hook ups. A town called Aurora just minutes from the park has a lot a mom & pop type of places, some with pools. You can also see if the state parks have any, Kenlake, and Lake Barkley state parks are both very nice but book up quick.
I've been to Turkey bay many times over the years and have never been stopped or tested for anything. I ride a TRX250R with a LRD pipe so I know it's over the db limit. I did see some forest rangers there last weekend but they wert stopping anyone. Also my son who is 11 rides a 250ex but they have never asked his age or stopped us.
As long as you don't get crazy or speed up and down the main road they should let you be.
Posted by: mudcat47537
Me and my son have been going to Turkey Bay for years and he has never been "legal" age. He is now 12 and rides a Blaster they have never given him a second look . I register both quads in my name and we stay away from the check in station. We have run across rangers on the trails and they have never given us any problems. He is under my supervision at all times and riding with me. I don't believe in the age guidelines for quads, sorry go ahead and spank me. There is no way that my son could ride my daughters (age 8) 90 on the trails we ride and hill we climb. That would be crazy to try it. They let any age kid ride any size motorcycle I see no reason why it should be different with a quad.
Yes I guess I am teaching my kids to break the law. I guess I can't be perfect like some of the others. Go on and enjoy Turkey Bay it has some great riding. For a little more fun with out the restrictions on age, helmets,or riding double check out Coal Creek mining in Oliver Springs, TN. Great place to go ride.
Posted by: mudcat47537
We all see Mr. Blackballed has learned how to use the quote feature. That's great. I really don't know why I'm going to continue but just one thing. My kids do not hold me back from having fun they both have been riding since age 5. My son is a better rider than a lot of grown men, he picks where he wants to go. I spend a lot of time with my kids hunting, fishing, riding atvs, riding horses and talking. My kids do not attend public school, sorry about that theory. I however did and I may not be very smart since I never attended college. But after several years in the Army and hard work I have made a good life for me and my family. Now I'm not going to argue with you any longer since you seem to enjoy it, and will not respond in this post again. Bickering back and forth over the internet is senseless and for very bored people. Some seem to get into it, I don't. I will be at Turkey Bay Labor Day weekend with my family and friends enjoying the weekend. If you would like to talk about this further I would be more than happy to speak face to face. You can contact me through PM and we can discuss how to meet since it will most likely be very busy.
Diablo glad to hear you had a good time at LBL, we enjoy going down there. Next time you go down let us know as we usually go quite a bit in the spring and fall.
Posted by: mudcat47537
From blackballed
<STRONG>And aren't those the same trails and hills that <EM>you</EM> "just have to go up/down".....in order for "you" to have the best time there and not be straddled with what that machine is capable of at that venue? Gosh, it wouldn't be "fair" if you didn't get to go to all the places you 'wanted to' at LBL.........because the darn KIDS were the ones holding you back! (I've seen this used as an excuse for "doubling up" with kids....... too many times to count).
Blackballed is the one that said my kids held me back. Both of my kids have their own quads and ride them well be it on a trail or in pasture. There is no need to double up. When we ride at Windrock we wear helmets and ride our own quad. Be it however one that the all too powerful goverment says is too big. I will raise my kids the way I see fit if the damn liberals don't like it they can go to hell.
I would be willing to bet that Blackballed is a Clinton, Gore supporter. Just talks too much like a liberal. I bet it just tears him up to go outside away from his computer and see all the laws being broken and rules not followed.
Posted by: MUDDY4LIFE
BLACKBALLED,
you dont deserve the ''boot'' here,you deserve some recognition for standing up for moral and ethic values that should be passed onto our youth riders by their parents ect.
Instead,here we have an indivdule,because HE dont agree with the Kentuckey ORV riding laws,decides to make HIS own laws.WHY dont this guy do something to help CHANGE this ridicules law instead of showing youth what you do when YOU disagree with a law?
Sorry BLACKBALLED,but your RIGHT ON THE MONEY with this one!
Bill
Posted by: Quadcrew
There is a web site for riders from KY. I believe it is kentuckyriders.com ?? Maybe there would be someone there that could help you out. We've been wanting to go and ride there too. (Mrs. Q)
Posted by: blackballed
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Originally posted by: Diablo
......thanks for the very helpful info, especially the heads up on the alcohol issue! That blows, I'm going to have some very disapointed campers, including me!............(from another post)......."I'll let my buddy know about the DB not being enforced... he's been scrambling around trying to get a silencer for his quad....."
Am I just not 'hip' to the younger generation?
Why would it make a difference if the rangers cracked down on sound or drinking on the trail?........especially if you wouldn't even think of trying to run a loud pipe or carry alcohol in the first place?
I see way too many posts up here regarding "do they check this?.....do they enforce that?"
What do the younger kids who read all of this........... finally come to believe?
Everything's "O.K.".....as long as you can get away with it?
Posted by: blackballed
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Originally posted by: kfxtrailrider
They (LBL) do have rangers that drive around and check people for drinking and they will arrest you. If you are drinking, be careful because it is a federal offense if caught.........
Diablo's reply:
..."Hey, thanks for the very helpful info, especially the heads up on the alcohol issue! That blows, I'm going to have some very disapointed campers, including me!"
Please don't try and insult my intelligence by inferring that you boys were about to get your panties all in a bunch over drinking AT THE CAMPGROUND. If so, maybe you and your friends just might require intensive psychotherapy; that is, if you're all "worried" about keeping your drinks "in a cup" as anybody over the legal drinking age has figured out a long time ago. Do you think rangers "drive around" these campsites and give out tickets that are a "federal offense" for smelling alcohol in a plastic cup? Give us a break. I searched the LBL website and found nothing regarding alcohol "in camp" and will make a call today to confirm it one way or another.
AS FOR THE "SOUND" ISSUE:
From Diablo:
....." How "strict" are they with DB levels, I know their website says that you have to have a baffle, just wondering if they enforce this?......"
....."I'll let my buddy know about the DB "not being enforced", he's been scrambling around trying to get a silencer for his quad....."(From Blackballed.....so why in the heck should he stop scrambling???).
...."Some people, with performance quads, not utility, like to modify thier quads and increase the performance, meaning changing the pipe and filter, therefore increasings the DB output AND PUTTING THEM OVER THE LIMIT. Why is this so bad?...."
Then you have the 'gall' to imply the following?
(From Diablo):
...."I've read some of your other topics, and find that you contradict yourself quite a bit....."
Contradict myself? Pray tell, please give me some (or even 'ONE') example!
Why don't YOU take a look at what YOU are trying to convince all of our young riders on here that is ACCEPTABLE?
Screw the sound laws.......AS LONG AS YOU DON'T GET ***"CAUGHT"***???
Seems to me that you are no different than "duckdiaz" or some of the other kids on here who think it's O.K. to say whatever they please..........yet when someone actually QUESTIONS the validity of their statement?...........they never "said" or even "meant" whatever they claimed!". Is this how your liberal grade school teachers are molding you youngsters to behave? (sorry kids, but we didn't just all fall off the turnip truck!.......).
And "this" is the kicker:
(From Diablo):
...."You mention people not doing enough to battle the opponents of ATV's. You say the ATVA doesn't do enough?.........."
Let's first define who some of the "opponents of atvs" actually are. They are actually people like yourself who rarely care "what" the law is.......and then turn around in the next breath and claim THAT IT DOESN'T MEAN A DAMN TO YOU....... because there is probably not going to be anybody there to enforce it!
The ATVA? Yes, I signed the petition......... and wrote right on the document how much I felt that the statement we were all supposed to be sending to Washington was at best "weak" and did absolutely nothing to identify and straighten out those amongst us who were causing our problems.
(From Diablo):
..."What have you done, other than sign the petition?...."
What have "I" done?
How about attending state orv board meetings, spending countless hours up on the net and in person to keep the public "aware" of the mess we have up here in our orv leadership.......how about spending 7 to $800 (probably much more) of my 'own' money last weekend (non-reimbursable) to make sure twenty kids got their atv safety training certificate? How about being a current or former member of the MATVA, CCC (both here in Michigan), ATVA and the Windrock ATV Club?
And what do YOU DO, Diablo? Worry about getting caught drinking and if your buddy ought to 'quit looking' for a legal muffler before you all leave for LBL today?
....."I personally think, after reading your reply to this post, that its people like you that force "my generation" to have to put up with more and more regulations......."
The more I hear from young people like yourself who could care less about what the laws are..... as long as you don't get "caught"............I'm going to lobby more and more that they throw the book at you kids when they do. It's getting pretty evident to me that you kids don't need more regulations.........YOU NEED SOME GOOD "OLD FASHIONED" ENFORCEMENT!!!
And aint that really a shame for the "next generation" who never really had a chance to prove that they had more sense and respect than their fathers did. /EM>
Posted by: blackballed
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Originally posted by: MikeCer
......While they were getting signed up for camping the Ranger stated that"daily visitors are not allowed to drink, but campers are allowed to only if and when they are done riding for the day"......."
Gee...."imagine that"..........when kfxrtrailrider stated the following:
...."They do have rangers that drive around and check people for drinking and they will arrest you. If you are drinking, be careful because it is a federal offense if caught...."
It took "Mike" to let folks like Diablo in on the fact that it (shockingly) actually wasn't a 'federal offense' punishable by 'arrest' to drink at a 'campsite' (gosh, I'm really sorry that I 'misunderstood' their intentions and 'disappointment' in regards to drinking down there.....).
Tell me something.......why do some of you guys come up on here and try to blatantly teach our youth about disregarding the law ("screw the sound law......who cares about 'decibels'.... if you don't get 'caught'!") and then turn around and get 'pissed off' when someone questions you about it? BR>
I also agree with Bill above that the motorcyclists are the biggest offenders out there. We need to stiffen up our sound laws to the point where we inform this country that the majority of our people don't give a damn about "performance" beyond our racetracks and controlled settings. If you aren't talented enough to race...... or PAY THE MAN to use his track when the more gifted give it up to you... why should we all put up with your 'wannabe' wet dreams out here into the woods?.
Personally?....I could care less if every pipe manufacturer who had problems with meeting the limits...... had problems with staying in business also (and I'm sure that most every person visiting LBL for a "quiet weekend"...... would agree wholeheartedly .
Posted by: blackballed
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Originally posted by: brewster2003
First, I noticed that they want riders under the age of 16 to be on a dinky 90 cc quad which causes a problem.........Do they really enforce this?
Also I noticed they require spark arrestors.........but how picky are they about that?
Brewster:
Like I mentioned above.........I guess your answer lies in what you want to teach your two youngsters about obeying the law and following the rules.
I guess you can always teach these kids that "you" know more about what law that LBL should have required for this area in regards to their age.............. and that spark arrestors are far less important than "horepower" when it comes to visiting a national forest.
Why show these kids that they need be inconvenienced........... if they don't get 'caught'?
Posted by: blackballed
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Originally posted by: mudcat47537
Me and my son have been going to Turkey Bay for years and he has never been "legal" age. He is now 12 and rides a Blaster......
From the park regulations:
- No person under age 16 may operate an ATV with an engine size exceeding 90 cc displacement and no person under age 12 may operate an ATV with an engine size exceeding 70 cc, according to Kentucky state law.
(from mudcat):
"......I register both quads in my name and we stay away from the check in station......"
Unbelievable......what reason do you give your child for not going over there and familiarizing him with the people who are there to do their job?
(from mudcat):
"..... I don't believe in the age guidelines for quads....."
So, if I'm understanding you correctly.........you're of the mind that one should simply determine what their "own" rules should be.......so as to proudly pass these legacies down to the next generation.
Tell me something.........what in the heck do you tell your child; when he starts complaining that his little buddy can't go to LBL.......because his "mean old dad" tried to "lie" to his friend, regarding that it was NOT legal for him to ride there? Agree that his father is an idiot? Tell him that "you" are the only one allowed to break the law at LBL?
(from mudcat):
".....There is no way that my son could ride my daughters (age 8) 90 on the trails we ride and hill we climb. That would be crazy to try it...."
And aren't those the same trails and hills that you "just have to go up/down".....in order for "you" to have the best time there and not be straddled with what that machine is capable of at that venue? Gosh, it wouldn't be "fair" if you didn't get to go to all the places you 'wanted to' at LBL.........because the darn KIDS were the ones holding you back! (I've seen this used as an excuse for "doubling up" with kids....... too many times to count).
"...They let any age kid ride any size motorcycle I see no reason why it should be different with a quad....."
Hey, you're the one making the rules................
"....... Yes I guess I am teaching my kids to break the law. I guess I can't be perfect like some of the others...."
Why do people in this country automatically revert to becomming "the victim" when simple questions of right and wrong are put on the table?
".....For a little more fun with out the restrictions on age, helmets,or riding double check out Coal Creek mining in Oliver Springs, TN. Great place to go ride.
Again, "unbelievable"............not only does this kid get to learn about how to skirt the law in Kentucky............let's drag him down to Tennessee and proudly point to idiots with "no helmets" riding "double" at Coal Creek.
I'll comment on Brewster's tirade later and will leave you now with one question................why would anybody come up on here AFTER I've already commented on how irresponsible people seem to be in modeling anywhere 'near' the correct behavior for their children.........and then BRAG about the very same thing or ask us all if there's any chance they'll get caught breaking the law with their kids in tow?
And we've got folks on here blaming the "environmentalists" or the "CPSC" for most of our problems???
(By the way, moderators.........I have been kicked off atv sites for arguing a lot less than this..........if you feel that my continued persistence regarding the fact that riders in our community had darn well better start setting some kind of example for our youth...........if this philosophy is somewhat "unreasonable" and not "politically correct"...........give me the boot!).
Posted by: blackballed
I am in complete agreement that the law is ridiculous.........seems like I met a fellow from Burton once that spent more than a few years fighting basically "alone" to get some blatantly stupid youth atv laws changed.
I'm almost certain that this person could have used some extra help from someone like Mudcat ....and I am also sure that if Mudcat thought a little more about it.......he'd come to the conclusion that helping to fight (rather than ignore) these injustices; would be a pretty nice legacy for his children to be darn proud that their Dad was involved in.
Posted by: blackballed
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Originally posted by: Diablo
...."Yet another topic hijacked by the self righteous, as someone else refered to you as, almost communist, perfect angel........"
(lol)...What part of Indiana did you say you were from? You're kind of confusing me here a little as I'm not sure you know the difference between "left" and "right" ideology when you try to describe me as follows; only a couple sentences later!:
".....then I applaud you, even though I feel sorry for anyone that has to hear your "far right" theories on a regular basis....."
Let's hear it for the Indiana Public School system!
(diablo):
".....To start off....I'm not sure where you got the misconception that these forums are for the purpose of teaching morals into the youth of America......"
Responsible "adults" don't necessarily value the manner in which they communicate with each other as a 'conscious' effort to communicate morals to their children. But when we act like we've travelled farther than the "Indianapolis by-pass" in the way that we conduct ourselves?............God Bless the fact that our children are "always listening".... and they couldn't have any better teachers than the good people of these forums who haven't yet let the self-righteous punks of this world take it over.
"......PARENTS, not you or me, are responsible for raising thier children and teaching them the ways of the world and so on......."
So isn't it a good thing that when we obviously have a few folks on here that are a little "lacking" in the parenting department........coupled with people like yourself who are a lot more worried about getting "caught" than what the law actually ever reads..........that there are others on here who have absolutely no problem with speaking their mind and (most importantly) backing it up?
"....If you claim to be such a perfect role model........"
(lol)... easy now!.....I have asked you before to back up what you say with some kind of reference..........
"....why would you support physical violence, as well as gun violence, as you did in another forum, to the supposed vulnerable youth reading these forums?......"
(LOL)! Do you mean to try and tell us that you want to 'now' start "making things up"???......... and even to the extreme of using 'guns v.s. innocent kids' as your fantasy? (lol)...bring the quotes on, my friend!
Ahhhhh, if they have loud pipes, give em a good old fashioned lesson, that'll teach em! Better yet, if they venture off a trail, shoot em in the head and mount it on the wall! that'll teach em! Great advice, hipocrite.........
PUT THE PIPE DOWN, Diablo! Has rock cocaine invaded even the rural vestiges of small-town Indiana? (lol)!
"....I NEVER mentioned wanting to break rules on the use of alcohol on the premises. If it was against the rules, then we would have just camped elsewhere, where it would be allowed. Did I not make this clear on a previous post?....."
You're killing me!!! (LOL!!!)
What did you "think"..... when somebody up here told you that the rangers would arrest you and hold you on FEDERAL CHARGES for 'drinking'? That all of us would somehow 'now' turn around and believe that all this time "you thought" they were going to drag you all away from your campfire and throw you in jail on federal charges.............and "that" was what you were all "disappointed" and worried about about?
Do you guys 'get out' much or do you think we're all just stupid?
"......I would appreciate it if you are going to hold a respectful debate that you not take peoples words and twist them around in order to make your points seem valid, as you did here and another topic......"
(chuckle)......Better look in the miirror, bub........and again,"please"......we're all waiting patiently for you to dig up all this dirt and make something of it!
".....At least you're contributing something "worthwhile" to the sport.People like me are who are keeping this sport alive by frequenting the various state an privately owned parks, demanding better performing ATVs from the manufacturer, and not to mention keeping countless amounts of people employed be it by the manufacturer or the various small businesses that manufacter performance accessories, sell these accessories, etc. etc., as well as the state parks that employ many people........"
WOW!!! You bought a quad.......you had to ride it 'somewhere'..... or you had to sell it.............you're right......"people like yourself" are definitely the backbone of "what's right" in atving today.........if I can find the town hall in b.f. Indiana........I'm gonna go right up to the mayor and have him name 'a day in May' after ya!
"....I don't claim to be a "perfect" person, and yes, I have broken the rules sometimes, and when caught, suffered the consequences for "MY" actions. I do have respect for "most" regulations that exist, and know that there are "usually" good reasons for thier existence. I just know there is a reason that usually, as was the case at LBL, that they are not strictly enforced....."
I guess "you" can read all of that and somehow make sense of it........as for me?.......I'm really sorry that I took the time to respond to someone who is so cluelessly representative of what is wrong with our young people today. They ought to take the self-righteous nonsense you just uttered and hold it up as an example in our schools of what's wrong with today's youth (unless they all feel the same way.....)
"...My buddy did end up using his spark arrestor, although he didn't need to, after witnessing theamount of bikes that were there with aftermarket exausts......."
Honestly, you're about as stupid as the other guy on here with the "other" spark arrestor question and "crisis"...........you're riding in a national 'forest'...........but your buddy "didn't need to" install his spark arrestor.............. because it turns out that there were other dumbasses already down there doing their best to try and burn the place down........ so he might just as well have "joined them"??????
"...and not hearing one person complain about the noise. Hell, even the deer and wild turkeys that were in the woods didn't even bother, they just went along thier business........"
"Unbelievable!!!"
"Heck...it never bothered dem dare deer and turkeys none!............and I didn't even hear or see one feller who said nuttin' about all the rackit we was makin'!....
('wow'......)
".....but I'm not going to waste my time answering them all, no use, as well as digging up your previous posts in which, yes, you do contradict yourself!....."
(LOL)!
That's "o.k.", diablo........we all know that you 'could'....... 'really' get up here and back your accusations up ...."if you wanted to"......we respect you so much more when we can just "take your word for it". BR>
"....they don't come on here for your garbage, which is why you usually get laughed off of the topics!!! So, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah! Moron."
Won't all of us be glad when 'school' starts? (lol).
Posted by: blackballed
From Brewster:
"... Some laws and governments are unreasonable, and meant to be broken or overthrown, because they were put into place by corrupt lawmakers...."
From Diablo:
"... So if my buddy had not had his spark arrester, and had caught grief for being over the db limit(also), we would have parked it and used a spare, easy as that...."
From Mudcat:
"...but just one thing; My "kids" do not hold ***ME*** back from having fun...."
The last quote is the one that pretty much sums up (for me) what has gone wrong with this country.
I've witnessed MOTHERS up on this net who have put their 6-year old little children between themselves and their handlebars.........headed up into the Appalachian mountains (at NIGHT, no less)....... and have then cussed out anybody who had a thing to say about it!
And then we've got mudcat here.........who has tried his best to convince us all (and his kids) that going on down to Windrock and enjoying their ageless, helmetless, double-upping...........can be quite 'enlightening'!
(mudcat):
"....For a little more fun with out the restrictions on age, helmets,or riding double.... check out Coal Creek mining in Oliver Springs, TN.!!!
I've seen more of today's kids get 'hurt' (both physically and emotionally) by parents who "don't let their kids hold them back from having (their) fun".......... than I even care to think about.
Beam me up, Scotty...................................../STRONG>
Posted by: HiFlyinRaptorRyder
Hey diablo, what were you riding. I was there Saturday and Sunday.
Posted by: HiFlyinRaptorRyder
We drove 7 hours to get here and 2 hours into riding my second gear went out. talk about being p!ssed off!!!!
Posted by: HiFlyinRaptorRyder
I stayed for the rainstorm, and no that was all i had. yeah, the trails turned into creeks and the creeks tuned into rivers, it was especially fun to hyrdoplane across them.
Posted by: Diablo
I have a group possibly heading down there this weekend, and had a few questions. Anyone thats gone there ever rented a cabin, if so, how much did it run? I've researched some, just wondering if there are any good deals. We will have about 8 people, maybe more. Do you have to be registered in Kentucky? Their website says you have to register with LBL, so I'm confused. How strict are they with DB levels, I know their website says that you have to have a baffle, just wondering if they enforce this? Any info and additional advice would be appreciated. Thanks.
Posted by: Diablo
ANYONE?
Posted by: Diablo
BUMP!
Posted by: Diablo
Thanks Quadcrew! I'll check that out. We'll be down there Friday, Sat, and Sun morning....If you see a bunch of trucks from Indiana, give us a shout!!! Thanks.
Posted by: Diablo
KFXTrailrider,
Hey, thanks for the very helpful info, especially the heads up on the alcohol issue! That blows, I'm going to have some very disapointed campers, including me! Oh well, at least we will have a blast exploring the place! Thanks
Diablo
Disclaimer- Diablo, nor any of his associates, do not promote drinking and riding a mechanized vehicle, or drinking alltogether. Notice that I said "campers," meaning people at a campsite, not on the trails. We also do not promote the right for people to modify thier quads in any manner in order to increase performance, and possibly violate DB regulations. Sorry, had to throw that in to make some people(BLACKBALLED) happy.
Posted by: Diablo
Thanks ATVDAVE Now were're thinking of just taking a bunch of tents and camping there at LBL. I'll let my buddy know about the DB not being enforced, he's been scrambling around trying to get a silencer for his quad. Thanks
Posted by: Diablo
BLACKBALLED- Get a life! Is this all you do, look through the forums and try to analyze everything and point out how our generation isn't up to par with yours?
1. Some people, with performance quads, not utility, like to modify thier quads and increase the performance, meaning changing the pipe and filter, therefore increasings the DB output and putting them over the limit. Why is this so bad? Should everything stay stock? Would that be O.K. with your generation? The same generation who raced Hot Rods and created Woodstock?
2. I never mentioned taking alcohol on the trails. I would never, never encourage that. I meant on the campground. I will be with all adults, and we most likely were planning on drinking a few, AFTER we were done riding for the day. I would never let anyone drink and drive, never. I've lost friends to drinking and driving, and have lost my father to alcoholism, so I am very responsible when it comes to alcohol, and only drink on occasion. Did you not notice that I said we would still have fun exploring the place? Think before you post!
Maybe you took some of the things personal that I said to you from a previous topic, who knows. I stepped out of that topic early because I realized that you, Or your generation, could not be corrected. I've read some of your other topics, and find that you contradict yourself quite a bit. I chose not to reply because theres no reason, you are always right. You mention people not doing enough to battle the opponents of ATV's. You say the ATVA doesn't do enough? What have you done, other than sign the petition? I personally think, after reading your reply to this post, that its people like you that force "my generation" to have to put up with more and more regulations. So what side are you really on? To answer your question, which seems to get anwered every post that you reply to, no, you're not "hip" to my generation. I'm usually a nice guy, but you need to lighten up, and get a life......
Posted by: Diablo
Did you read my "disclaimer" that I posted after one of my previous replys? Thought I should throw that in!!!! I'm leaving tonight for LBL, so it'll be interesting to see what he has to say when I get back Sunday. Unless he posts sooner, which I hope DR. Blackballed will.
Posted by: Diablo
O.K.- Thanks to the people who posted "usefull" replies to the simple questions that I asked about LBL. We returned yesterday, and we had a blast. I would reccomend this park to anyone considering going there. Vast amount of trails, hills, beautiful scenery, not to mention exceptionally friendly Rangers and fellow riders. There is a challenge there for just about any level of rider. The only casualties we suffered were my buddies Scrambler, and my other buddies dirtbike. Blown head gasket on the Scrambler, water logged motor on the dirtbike, I guess these aren't made to double as submarines!!!!!! Good thing we brought extra quads! Some things I would reccomend are trash bags, the previous campers decided to leave our campsite trashed, so we had to clean up after them, as well as ourselves. Many thanks to the Ranger who gave us more than enough trash bags to clean up after them, as well as ourselves. If you are of drinking age, and plan to drink- Make sure to bring your own, since its a dry county, and the nearest place to buy is in Tenesee, about 25 mins away!! You can't drink until riding hours are over, usually at sundown, which is a very good rule! Why would anyone even think about riding an ATV while under the influence? We had a great time camping, sitting by the fire, and reflecting on the "good ol days!" There were a few storms that passed, which made for an interesting second day of riding! All in all, it was a great time, and I will be returning very soon! Once again, thanks for the useful info!!!!!!
Posted by: Diablo
Now, on to Dr. Blackballed........
Yet another topic hijacked by the self righteous, as someone else refered to you as, almost communist, perfect angel.
To start things off, I'm not sure where you got the misconception that these forums are for the purpose of teaching morals into the youth of America........ This is an ATV forum, not DR.Phil, Anne Landers, etc. etc. If people come on here for that, then they have bigger issues. PARENTS, not you or me, are responsible for raising thier children and teaching them the ways of the world and so on. This forum is for talking about ATVs, places to ride, as this topic is under, and yes, there is a "other ATV topics section, which you seem to frequent as well. If you claim to be such a perfect role model, why would you support physical violence, as well as gun violence, as you did in another forum, to the supposed vulnerable youth reading these forums? Ahhhhh, if they have loud pipes, give em a good old fashioned lesson, that'll teach em! Better yet, if they venture off a trail, shoot em in the head and mount it on the wall! that'll teach em! Great advice, hipocrite.
I NEVER mentioned wanting to break rules on the use of alcohol on the premises. If it was against the rules, then we would have just camped elsewhere, where it would be allowed. Did I not make this clear on a previous post? I would appreciate it if you are going to hold a respectful debate that you not take peoples words and twist them around in order to make your points seem valid, as you did here and another topic.
If you ARE really involved in the numerous organizations that you mentioned, then I applaud you, even though I feel sorry for anyone that has to hear your far right theories on a regular basis. If you did spend that amount of money on getting some children properly trained on safety, then once again, congrats. Atleast you're contributing something "worthwhile" to the sport.
People like me are who are keeping this sport alive by frequenting the various state an privately owned parks, demanding better performing ATVs from the manufacturer, and not to mention keeping countless amounts of people employed be it by the manufacturer or the various small businesses that manufacter performance accessories, sell these accessories, etc. etc., as well as the state parks that employ many people to upkeep and enforce rules.
I don't claim to be a "perfect" person, and yes, I have broken the rules sometimes, and when caught, suffered the consequences for "MY" actions. I do have respect for most regulations that exist, and know that there are "usually" good reasons for thier existence. I just know there is a reason that usually, as was the case at LBL, that they are not strictly enforced. My buddy did end up using his spark arrestor, although he didn't need to, after witnessing theamount of bikes that were there with aftermarket exausts, and not hearing one person complain about the noise. Hell, even the deer and wild turkeys that were in the woods didn't even bother, they just went along thier business.
I'm sure theres many more false accusations you made against me, but I'm not going to waste my time answering them all, no use, as well as digging up your previous posts in which, yes, you do contradict yourself! Imagine that! Mr. Perfect isn't so perfect!!!
Remember, people come on here for advice on ATV's, parks, and yes, even on regulations. they don't come on here for your garbage, which is why you usually get laughed off of the topics!!! So, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah! Moron.
Posted by: Diablo
One more thing.......
You voiced your little "challenge" to the moderaters, and admitted being booted before? Hmmmmmmm.... Real smart, challenging moderaters! There's obviousy a reason why they boot you, ever think about that? Are you breaking the established forum rules therefore causing them to boot you? If so, you are not playing by the rules, and therefore teaching "vulnerable" youth that its O.K. to challenge authority? Kinda cotradictory if you ask me? Please moderaters, don't boot him, we need the comic relief from time to time!!!!!!Please??????
Posted by: Diablo
Sorry, "bub," but I am no longer in school, having graduated some time ago from both high school and college, so once again, you are wrong! Don't you get tired of being wrong all the time? No, I was not worried about federal marshals coming to our campsite and dragging us to jail, although I was worried about getting kicked out of the park for drinking on the premises if it was not allowed. As I mentioned before, we brought extra quads, we always do in case of breakdowns. So if my buddy had not had his spark arrester, and had caught grief for being over the db limit, we would have parked it and used a spare, easy as that.
I don't need your "respect," and don't have to prove anything to you, because you are a true "idiot" and a waist of my time, as well as other forum members time. The only person here with thier panties up in a bunch is you, not to mention apparently having something crammed so far up there that it makes you be a complete jerk to anyone who doesn't live within your standards. Trying to humiliate people for not having as much of an education as you claim to have just makes you look plain self rightous, and stupid.
Yes, I do live in B.F. Indiana, LOL, nothin wrong wit dat yall!!!!! HUH HUH, HUH HUH! Let me go get me banjo and play you a tune!!!!! We don't even have no mayor, town to small!!! But if you succeed at getting a day named after me, do it in October, thats my birth month! When you come in on the main highway, look to your left, I do believe you'll see more of your own kind out grazing in the field, you know, those things that look like horses, but much smaller with big ol ears! well, I gotte go, I hear me sister, I mean wife calling me! Yeeeeehaaaaa!!!!
Posted by: Diablo
O.K. smart guy,I read my post and will admit, I did get my ideology confused. I will admit that as a man should. I don't claim to be the brightest apple on the tree, but will defend my freedom to express myself and to let people like you know that you are not always right. You make some valid points, and maybe if you didn't go about it wrong and come off as an @sshole, people would take you a little more seriously. Go ahead, insult my intellegence, make stuff up, be a complete jerk off as I'm sure you will be, I find it pretty comical to tell you the truth, and will not lose a wink of sleep over it. Well, I better go find some kids to turn into alcoholics, some forests to burn down or pollute, and a wall to bang my uneducated head against, maybe it'll make me smarter!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Diablo
Thanks For the offer, Mudcat, I would love to return to LBL, great place! If you go down there this fall, or even spring, definately get a hold of me! Imagine that, a bunch of us uneducated Indiana folks razin a ruckus!!! Hide the kids, ma, the Hoosiers are in town!!!! Seriously though, let me know when you go. I agree, I must be very bored to respond to Sparky's garbage, maybe he does get some sick pleasure out of being so annoying, who knows! Someone has to stay after him,though.
I considered inviting him on a trip with me to the Badlands, but then thought it wouldn't be such a great idea........it would most likely lead to something ugly and solve nothing.
Have a great time down there, and watch those mudholes, they can be deceiving!!!!
Posted by: Diablo
We were there Thurs night, all day Friday, and most of the day Saturday. We left after the big rainstorm came through and turned some of the park into small creeks! It was fun to fly through them though!!! I was on a few different quads, but mainly on a black and red Warrior, hard to miss, don't see very many 87's around. I was also on a 400ex, Scrambler, and Quadrunner500 with a Warn winch up front. Man, that stinks about your quad going down, did you have an extra? Hope you still had a good time!
Posted by: Diablo
HyflyinRaptorRider- Ya, it was pretty fun driving through some of those small creeks, wish we could have stayed longer! The storm didn't drive us away, we had to hit the highway, though. Hope you get your Raptor back up and running soon.
Mudcat- He refered to my past teachers as "liberals," so my guess is he's in denial! That last reply from him just really tugged at my heartstrings.......can't..........stop..........crying...........Maybe this means he's going to mind his own business and stay the hell out of ours! We can only dream!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: kfxtrailrider
Diablo
I have been to LBL about 5 times, you will have a blast. When you get there you have to register your ATV, but all they want is the make, model, 2wd or 4wd, name and address. They do have rangers that drive around and check people for drinking and they will arrest you. If you are drinking, be careful because it is a federal affence if caught. You do not have to register with KY. I don't think that they care about DB levels too much, I have never heard of anyone getting in trouble. Hope you have a good time and be careful.
Posted by: kfxtrailrider
Diaglo
You can drink but I highly recommend putting it in a red cup. If you want to set up a tent, there is plenty of places, which makes for a good night. Hope you guys have a good time!!
Posted by: kfxtrailrider
Diablo
AMEN!!
Posted by: MikeCer
I was just there a few weekends ago I didnt camp but my brother and his friend did.
While they were getting signed up for camping the Ranger stated that
"daily visitors are not allowed to drink, but campers are allowed to only
if and when they are done riding for the day". I think you can ride from about 8am
till 8pm... If you decide to drink at night make sure you bring enough because its a dry
county and it about 30-40 min to the next county that sells .. I did hear a lot of loud
pipes on few 4 wheelers and bikes, they also allow jeeps, dune/rail buggies so I dont think
it matters too much how loud it is. I do remember them saying that you had to have
a spark arrester. here is the link to their site
LBL
have a great time,
Posted by: brewster2003
I am considering going to Turkey Bay within the next couple of weeks. I have read the rules and regs and have a couple of concerns. First, I noticed that they want riders under the age of 16 to be on a dinky 90 cc quad which causes a problem as my 11 year old son rides a 300ex and my 10 year old daughter rides a Recon 250.
Do they really enforce this? How is the registration process and so forth? I would hate to drive 5 hours to find out we can't take our kids.
Also I noticed they require spark arrestors. This is a more solvable problem, but how picky are they about that? All my quads have stock exhaust except my V-Force which has Alien duals, but the arrestor is available for purchase.
thanks to anyone that can help.....
Posted by: brewster2003
Thanks Mudcat for giving me the info I have been looking for.
Blackballed, if I wanted your legalistic self-righteous speech I would have asked for it. I am sure you never break the speed limit either. If everyone was like you, then there would have never been a Boston Tea Party and dictatorships would never be overthrown by revolutions and uprisings. Some laws and governments are unreasonable, and meant to be broken or overthrown, because they were put into place by corrupt lawmakers whom in most instances are influenced by whom ever is padding thier pocket the most.
I would like to see a 160 lb 15 year old ride the same 90cc quad that my kids rode when they were 6 years old.
