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Posted by: johndjmix
Its not easy but it can be done. Just got back from Bike week with my Street Legal Banshee. Can be run in 3 or 4 wheel configuration. Street Legal...and I live in NY. But I got to say....it was a LOT of work and a lot of money....over $10,000 in mods, travel costs, shipping, and certifications to get it done...(thats not including the cost of the bike)......but it was my dream, so I Love it.
http://www.marissa.org/street_banshee/
--John
Posted by: johndjmix
Do like I did. Go out of state to a state that allows you to title it as custom. Then register it there and go home to your own state. A few months later transfer the registration to your home state.
Worked like a charm for me, although it required a lot of long distance trips out of state.
As far as I know i have the only Street Legal banshee in NY!
--John
Posted by: johndjmix
Vermont is the answer. Thats all im saying.
--John
Posted by: johndjmix
=)
EXACTLY!
Posted by: johndjmix
Go to the 3 wheeled setup, then add all lights and such and take the bike to vermont and register it as a "custom motorcycle". Works mint.
Look for pics soon of my R1 powered street legal banshee.
--John
Posted by: Demetrios
I THINK I CAN HELP A LITTLE, I SUCCESSFULLY LISCENSED A HOMEMADE, PURPOSE BUILT QUAD IN SOUTH FLORIDA IN 1995 AND HAVE BEEN ENJOYING IT SINCE, IT IS MY MOST CHERISHED POSESSION AND A CONTINUING OBSESSION, SEE www.demetriosdesign.net
DOS AND DON'TS:
ASK IF POSSIBLE FIRST IN YOUR COUNTY, DON'T BUILD IT AND GET STUCK.
CONSIDER 3 WHEEL OPTION IF FOUR IMPOSSIBLE FOR NOW, SOMEDAY YOU COULD CONVERT THAT TO FOUR AS THE LAWS CHANGE AND THEY LIKELY WILL BUT SLOWLY.
BE RESPECTFUL TO OFFICIALS, YOU GET MORE BEES WITH HONEY THAN WITH VINEGAR
BUILD A STREET DEDICATED MACHINE, YOU CAN'T HAVE BOTH OFF-ROAD SUSPENSION AND GREAT STREET HANDLING, FOCUS IT.
JUST DO ALL THE THINGS YOU'D DO TO A CAR TO MAKE IT TIGHT HANDLING LIKE WIDE TRACK, LONG WHEELBASE, REAL CAR TIRES LOW PROFILE USING ADAPTERS TO YOUR LUG PATTERN, MAKE IT LOW TO THE GROUND, SHORT SHOCK TRAVEL, SWAY BAR AND SOME OTHER TRICKS I MAY GIVE OUT LATER.......................I NEED MONEY TO KEEP DEVELOPING MY QUAD DESIGN FOR FUTURE PRODUCTION, ANYBODY WILLING TO PAY SOMETHING FOR A CONSULTANT? www.demetriosdesign.net
Be safe, be courteous to authorities, to your neighbors and we will show this country that properly set up these quads are safer than motorcycles, so why wouldn't they?
Posted by: Demetrios
Dear Spyder Racing,
You are on the right track with the ASPT route, however you are thinking about converting an ATV and that is different, ASPT (assembled from parts) implies more of a ground up approach, if you presented it (and followed thru with truth and integrity) that maybe you took your stock frame stripped it down, added gussets and reinforcements, grinded/cut off any ATV hardware, and used street legal motorcycle grade everything, even foot pegs, took away all the ATV look and function possible, see also my first letter, if you focused it down that much and with all the common sense add-ons like mirrors, horn, turn signal, speedometer, then your local DMV might consider it before you begin to fab it. I built mine off motorcycle parts to begin with and car rims and tires, everything is tough and overbuilt, all approved stuff already, but in a combination few folks have see before, and it rips!!!!! My special steering device(patent pending) and engineering tricks give high speed stability. www.demetriosdesign.net
Hope that helps everyone, please build solid safe machines that will give this new movement a good reputation or you'll kill it early on for everyone.....................
Posted by: Demetrios
I am definitely looking forward to seeing pics of that..............Demetri www.demetriosdesign.net
home of MOTOQUAD
Posted by: AlkyBurninX
Dirt wheels had an article about building a street legal warrior in Californina. It was back in 2001 though. I will see if I can find the mag.
Posted by: WyoDuner
This subject come up quite a bit and a search will reveal a lot of info. The short story is that all states except Arizona and Wyoming are either extremely difficult or impossible to have a street legal ATV in. Wyoming is the easiset - heck, my Basnhee with toomey pipes is street legal here. I have a brake light, bicycle mirror and bicycle squeeze horn , insurance and registration and motorcycle driver's license and that's it. Wyoming even has a special drivers license endorsement just for ATVS.
I don't know how old you are but remember that you would need to be old enough to drive no matter what.
Give it up or move to WY or AZ. I haven't heard any confirmation from anybody that made a quad street legal in any other state without extreme modifications.
Posted by: tampavii
Hi Guy
Lived in NY now live in NJ .NJ really stinks .i went to register my wife quad but dont have cerificate of orgin from guy I purchased it from. I purchase this 2001 recon from guy off e bay and drove to Mass to get it .He give me billl of sale and Notarized letter from NJ stating Vin ## prices and that he was transfing ownership to me. Plus I has copy of e bay auction.
So one year last I decide to register it and New jersey wil not let me unless I have the certifcate of orgin. I sopek to guy i purchased it from and told me to srive back to Mass and get registered pay taxes to Mass then tranfer over to NJ later. Any suggestion .post here or PM me
I have to get this quad registered because NJ really S&^%KS
Thanks in advance
JohnJD
Heading out to LI to visit my mother inlaws for mom day and sit in traffic on southern state and belt
GB
Posted by: 89trx2fiddy
your best bet is to begin with something already deemed for use on the street. For example utilize an enduro which already has a title for street use. Look in October Dirtwheels, page12 (titled Street legal ATC)there's an XL650L enduro converted to what looks a hell of alot like the old 350X trike. It seems like it would be very simple to do, and you would utilize most of the components that deem that thing street legal.
Posted by: 89trx2fiddy
I'm sorry that issue is October 2002, pg 12
Posted by: lostone1413
Hi I'm street legal in Gods country Arizona. But wonder how they could stop me in another state from riding on the roads. I have a title plates and insurance be interesting if they could stop me. To me it would be like a state saying no Fords allowed Wouldn't it?? If not why????? Chuck (Cottonwood,AZ.)
Posted by: lostone1413
My Sportsman 500 and Yamaha Grizzly are both street legal in Arizona
Posted by: lostone1413
Call the DMV is the best bet. See were on the post they talk about buying in a street legal state then bringing to were they live in another state I could be wrong but I think to title in a state you have to have a mailing address in the state you title it in. I know i have cars titled in Arizona and Illinois but I had to have mailing adresses in both states
Posted by: 2003
who do you get in touch with to find out any thing abouty legalizin. I live in Loouisiana and I was think in yall just call the dmv or what thanks
Posted by: cbrf41999
I was told once a vehicle was titled for onroad use by a state it cant be turned down elsewhere. So another words AZ peeps could turn around and sell street legal quads to the rest of us! As long as it passes saftey inspection! In NH I dont know if you would need a windshield and 2 forward facing front lights? Since it has 4wheels I think it is considered a car here. So seatbelts and all. We live in the state where you can street a CR/KX/RM/YZ whatever in about 1hour paperwork. And quick inspection.
Posted by: cbrf41999
Would it be Vermont? They seem to make stuff really easy to do.
Posted by: cbrf41999
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Originally posted by: LethalAudio
well, I got two options with the out of state registration. Tenn. and NC Anyone know about their atv laws? aaaand if when you register it out of state, dont you have to be a resident of that state?
GOD I LOVE LOOPHOLES!!! BWAAAHAAHAAA
Usually you need to live there or at least have a address to use. Rules vary so much from state to state its amazing. NH you dont even need DOT tires for a dirt bike. Knobbies are fine!?!?!?!?
Posted by: cbrf41999
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Originally posted by: johndjmix
Vermont is the answer. Thats all im saying.
--John
Of course theres a million tree hugging hippies there. Yet you can street legalize a 2stroke smoke spewing anything for street use! LOL gotta love it.
Also check out www.bajadesigns.com for dual sport kits. Designed for bikes but im sure they can hep u for ATV's as well.
Posted by: zZArAZz
Heh just happen to have some pics of the BMW quads on My Website BR>
BMW Quad 1
BMW Quad 2
Posted by: zZArAZz
I cant imagine riding that BMW Beast around a flat track
Posted by: zZArAZz
Hehe does every cop that sees you flip the lights and spin around or what!!!
I lived in NY for a long time and the cops have to be some of the worst when it comes to traffic violations in the country.
I was lucky to get to the track in my street rod without getting strip searched!!!
Posted by: zZArAZz
Posted by: atvpilot
Good Luck the answer I got FROM DMV was if the MFG deems and titles the vehicle as an off road vehicle there is no way dmv will let you reg it as a street legal vehicle no matter what mods youdo,now that's in NYS I don't know if other states are the same or different, but that's the load of garbage I got when I inquried.
Posted by: atvpilot
Good thinking shows you got a great imagination go for it and let me know how you make out. I don't think it will fly in NY . They are way to anal retentiveimg src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif" border="0">
Posted by: atvpilot
Now that I would like to see. Is there any place on line I can see that?
Posted by: atvpilot
Awwwwwwwwwwesome I want one. It probably gets better mileage than my one ton dually big block. Thanks Dude, You just made my night. I work midnights so anything I can find to amuse me helps me to stay awake img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif" border="0">
Posted by: atvpilot
I was actually trying to do a search on line to find the quad. Thanks again. At one point I was considering buying a BMW Street bike till I came to my senses. I like street bikes but some people just don't watch where they are going and before you know it you are a hood ornanment or worse.img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif" border="0">
Posted by: atvpilot
Flat track???? Hell that would be neat crusin around in rush hour track.img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif" border="0">Thanks again
Posted by: atvpilot
Hey Max,
Neat web site. Is there a place on the internet where I can get more info on the BMW Quad. I know my club members would love to see it.
Thanks Paul
Posted by: atvpilot
Ya Know, this might turn into a nice little enterprise and really tick off the powers to be, because if something is road registrationalble they can't give you a hard time can they?
I am very interested in staying active on this. I would imagine one of the things would be a long enough wheel base so it would be stable at highway speeds. If you come across this Buell ATv send me the info or e-mail me at atvpilot2003@yahoo.com
Thanks Paul
Posted by: atvpilot
thanks fmf for the websiteimg src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif" border="0">
Posted by: LethalAudio
Can someone tell me why the heck a moped is considered street legal but a quad aint? One of these days Im going to make a street legal quad regardless of these imbred hillbilly cops around here. I live in SC and for that matter I live in a small town too. So naturally these cops around here are kinda.....shall we say...."Deliverance"-ish. But some of them are cool, they let you slide when they catch you on the road. Sorry, I had to get that outta my system. Back to the subject. Can anyone tell me what you would have to do to get a quad approved for use on the open road? I heard about a kit for quads that give you turn signals and stuff, but I never found one. I also heard that you can drive quads on the road over in the UK or somewhere over there, but they are all decked out with road gear. Lucky brits...but anyways...you guys think I should go to the DOT or someone else...cuz I'm afraid that if I go there and ask, I'm going to get someone's opinion, and I dont want an opinion...I want facts about what I have to do. You know what I'm talkin about...some old lady gonna be like "No, you cant ride four-wheelers on the road!". How bout it...anyone got any info...I dont care if its just something you heard or if its something you know for a fact...I'd like to hear it either way.
Posted by: LethalAudio
Yes, Im old enough to drive, Im 20. Anyways, Ive went through the SC laws I found online. They listed everything BUT ATVs. Even *$#@! golf carts and 3 wheeled motorcylces are legal. What Im thinkin is...take an old banshee or 400ex or something, and just trick the he!! out of the thing to where they dont know what the heck it it. I mean, if someone can make a kit car or dune buggy and get it legalized as a "special vehicle" or a "kit car" then I sure as heck aint gonna stop till I find a way to convince 'em. Sure it can be "based" on a four wheeler, but it wouldnt be something that is "made for off-road use" as they say. It wouldnt be a modified vehicle; it would be a whole new ride. There is ALWAYS a way to bend the law....always....man this whole situation just pisses me off. Even if I cant get the states approval, I more than confident that I can get the local law enforcement on my side...we already ride on the roads here, but 99% of the time they done bother us.
Posted by: LethalAudio
Thanks man, Im one of those guys that never stops wanting to build something. I got alot of research to do on this....I still gots to figure out just how Im supposed to change the way a four wheeler looks while still keepin it four wheeler-ish. I plan on takin some of those motorcycle and atv courses at one of the local tech schools and maybe a few by mail; Im hopin that they will help in case I run into some problems. Even if the law wont allow me to ride on the roads, Ill still build it, just to see if it can be done. One thing bugs me though, I always figured places like NY would allow alternate forms of transportation...like atvs...you would think they would be safer around city traffic....oh well....I dont expect these #!@$% lawmakers to understand the full potential of an atv...
Posted by: LethalAudio
Thanks for the info errbody. I bet that new Sweedish made bmw powered quad will cost a fortune though....and being 826lbs aint exactly appealing....besides...its alot more satisfying to build it yourself....im sure ill find a way
Posted by: LethalAudio
One word......DAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYUUUUUMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That aint bad....Ive actually seen something veeeeery similar over here in the states though. I think it was Dirt Wheels, they had a Buell ATV hybrid. Its components were a Polaris frame, a Harley 1300cc motor, and the body was a Buell sport bike. They had Mickey Thompsons on it and it said that they couldnt get an accuate reading on speed or hp cuz they had wheelspin at every speed every 1/4mile run. Its been a while since I read it, but Im 99%sure thats the way the components were. DAAAAYYYYUMMM....both of em make me drool. Whew...I need a cold shower now....lol.
Posted by: LethalAudio
Can you give me a little more detail on the certificate? I reaaaaaaaly dont wanna go to the DMV askin about it....I hate that place.
Posted by: LethalAudio
Ok, I got an update on what I found out with the popo's around here. Turns out, one of the family friends is with the Highway Patrol. I dont know if this is just something that is done in SC or if its a common law, but, the law around here considers an atv a "farm vehicle"....such as tractors...which are(much to my dismay) allowed on the road. But get this....in order to be considered a farm vehicle.....(I kid you not) it has to have a reflective triangle on it. Its that simple.....so he says...but I dont belive it. IF it were the case...I wouldnt hesitate, but I think Ill go back to him and get that in writing just in case i ever got stopped. I think a "permission slip" of some kind from the local cops would be more than enough. But it wouldnt hurt to try to register the ATV as a piece of farm equipment(wink wink) and insure it as well. Gentlemen....I give you a loop hole in the law...I really believe this may be the answer to the problem.
NOW I got a new question....how do I put 14" 100 spoke knockoffs on a quad?
Posted by: LethalAudio
Your link is screwed up a little, try this http://www.state.in.us/dnr/outdoor/ohv/roads.htm
I cant find anything about south carolina, though I am still searching. Thanks for the info though, I never would have thought to check with the DNR.
As for the rims, I found out that a basic Honda(or just about any import style) rim will work. I got my stock tires and wheels from my nissan im going to try to put on later today or earlier tomorrow.
Posted by: LethalAudio
Ok scratch the nissan wheels. They are just a little too small. I may just grind the holes out a little bigger. But I would like to find a rim that fit without modification....oh well
Posted by: LethalAudio
Well, it seems this thread just wont stay down. Oh well, maybe the companies will take notice and finally do something...well probly not, but we can dream cant we? I just saw in...I think it was Atv Action and Four Wheeler where there were more people askin about street legals in this months issues than there were the past year total. They had a good many articles about them. Its worth lookin at....I cant remember what they said, my dad has the mags in his truck. Its nice to see there are other people interested in this subject.
Posted by: LethalAudio
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Originally posted by: cbrf41999
I was told once a vehicle was titled for onroad use by a state it cant be turned down elsewhere. So another words AZ peeps could turn around and sell street legal quads to the rest of us! As long as it passes saftey inspection! In NH I dont know if you would need a windshield and 2 forward facing front lights? Since it has 4wheels I think it is considered a car here. So seatbelts and all. We live in the state where you can street a CR/KX/RM/YZ whatever in about 1hour paperwork. And quick inspection.
I never thought about the possibility of buying one thats already street legal in another state...its certainly worth lookin into.
BTW, it wasnt Four Wheeler I saw the articles in, it was Dirt Wheels...I always get them mixed up.
Posted by: LethalAudio
well, I got two options with the out of state registration. Tenn. and NC Anyone know about their atv laws? aaaand if when you register it out of state, dont you have to be a resident of that state?
GOD I LOVE LOOPHOLES!!! BWAAAHAAHAAA
Posted by: LethalAudio
I know this is off subject, but it contributes to the hippie bashing in a way. When scientist say we are warming the globe, you know what they mean?...get this 1.3 - 1.6 degrees rise in temperature every 100 years.....yea...that friggin small. And all the enviromentalist are buggin out cuz of 2 strokes.....I just hope I never see one when Im ridin, I cant stand those people.
Posted by: LethalAudio
I never even knew I had to get a transfer of ownership notice or letter. I just gave the guy a big check and got my quad. Nothing special...I think the only thing I got was a recipt signed by him...I suppose that's good enough.
Posted by: LethalAudio
I know this isnt important or even relevant, but...We are workin on our Arctic Cat right now and we took the rear and side plastic off and without giving it much thought, I sat on it without the seat. Much to my dismay, it felt almost like a chopper. And on top of all that, it looked wickid without that plastic on the back. Dropping the seat would be one mod I would definately do first if I were makin one for street use. Take the seat off your own quad see how it feels...its wierd, but still comfy.img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif" border="0">
Posted by: Dyeform00
Well I have the new issue of Atv Sport Magazine and there is a little part about a new street legal quad coming out this spring i think and ahhh it loookkkksssss niiiice. Ok just found the info...
Buyers Guide 2003 Issue
Page 12
The GG Quad made in Switzerland has the same engine from the BMW R1550R motorcycle. The GG ways 826 pounds and has a top speed of 99 mph. Look for it in the summer of 2003.
Posted by: CoachK
I'm from Iowa and its a no go here for street legal quads. I pled my case, about turn signals, speedo, horn, street tires, lights and brake lights. Its the same as a motorcycle, kinda. I can understand the reason for no 2strokes because of the emissions but 4strokes come on.
Posted by: CoachK
On the BMW I saw a price of $23,000 to $25,000. I don't remember where but I saw something else like it that Harley-Davidson has part of that looked like an inclosed one seater that is said to get wicked mpg and go around 100mph, I think its price was around $14,000. Might as well just by a motorcycle, they have already proven themselves and cost less while looking good.
Posted by: FMFbeartracker
If 3 wheel motorcycles are legal, I bet it wouldn't be that difficult to get an ATC street legal.
Posted by: FMFbeartracker
heres the official website http://www.gg-technik.ch/ just click on english, and then click on one of the lights at the left
Posted by: Cancat
Where I am from DOT tires and a safety certificate is all you need. It is also Interesting to note that Arctic Cat makes a Street Legal ATV, that is currently only sold in European Markets, it is a 300 single 2x4 with Street Tires, Aluminum Wheels, turn Signals, reaer view mirrors, and a Parking Lock, otherwise it is identical to my Offroad version.
Posted by: dreamrider
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Posted by: bansheeVR4
Demetrios I am in Orlando and looking at doing the same thing but was wondering what you titled it as. I have been looking into it and the only thing I can find so far is an ASPT Title or Assembled from parts. Also would you give me any info as to the laws or specs that are needed for it to be street legal such as lights, turn signals height. etc.. You can email me at crubini@spyderracing.com
Posted by: Vforcer
In Ohio .... (I am a Mormon )
State Highways...:
You are allowed to ride on the berm of state roads .... if you have the quad regestered with the State, and have insurance.
Township/County roads:
The local authority has the right to determine if quads are allowed on Township or County roads. My good fortune
is that I live in a Township that does not restrict quads on their roads !
Posted by: Vforcer
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Originally posted by: johndjmix
Do like I did. Go out of state to a state that allows you to title it as custom. Then register it there and go home to your own state. A few months later transfer the registration to your home state.
Worked like a charm for me, although it required a lot of long distance trips out of state.
As far as I know i have the only Street Legal banshee in NY!
--John
Which state ??????? Did it need inspected ??
Posted by: CREEPINGDEATH
that BMW quad is $25,000.00... has and 1150cc BMW motor, weighs almost 900lbs., and has a top speed of 100mph.
Posted by: CrazyRonny
A couple years ago I put Street tire directly on my front rim, for road race, these tire are street legal and was originally made for "Innocenti" car, I think it's 12 inch but I don't remember who made it.... *** My Banshee set-up for road racing ***
Posted by: 04polaris
I live in Idaho(im not morman) and they allow for you to register your quad and make it street legal. All you need is lights and brakelights(comes stock so you really don't have to fork out to much cash). I dont think that will help you any but I thought I would tell you for the heck of it. I've ridden it to Utah and since it was registered with liscence and stuff they could'nt do anything to me, but tell me how dumb it was to waste money on something like that. Peace
Posted by: CowSaki
I saw something cool about West Virginia this past weekend.
There is a very extensive trail system (over 400 miles worth) called Hatfield McCoy Trail System in the western end of West Virginia. There are rules (like helmets reqd. and more) and there's a trail use fee of $100 annual for folks from outta state. But the coolest part is that several towns around these trails are ATV friendly and you can ride down off the trails and right into the center of town as long as you have a pass to the trail system and continue to obey the same rules (helmets and so on).
Now, my ATV handles like a Ford and as such, I don't really consider it qualified to ride on the roads. But if I've been out on the trail all day and come upon a town, just the idea that I can go to the local McDonnalds or whatever is very appealing to me.
If this is of interest to you, check out: www.trailsheaven.com
Posted by: JayO
I am new here and want to see if this works... my cpu is bad
Posted by: JayO
hey johndjmix,
Could you give all of us here a brief but precise description of what you had to do in VT.? Thanks i would really like to see quads rippin' down the highways soon
