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Posted by: Raptoryfn660r
Originally posted by: acpower
seems like having ridden pretty much every atv they make on all brands to get a feel for the machine and all of its advantages/disadvantages would give me the edge on knowledge, plus endless hours on the internet researching. so know your roles and shut your mouths.
I have had problems with this user before so with that in mind this guy is marked as not active on this forum.
Posted by: JohnO
I've had a Cat (500i) for five years. and it has been rock solid, over my rough as a cob, hilly, rocky farm.
The Kawi will have better high end power, and I believe it's a bit sportier handling on trails. The Cat is the rough ground eater - sits higher, suspension articulates better. Better torque for powering through rough spots.
If you want to rat race with your buddies, the Kawi has an edge. If you want to get across rough ground, the Cat is the best quad you can get at any price.
Posted by: alwaysride
well, the kawasaki will have much better power with its v twin motor. Ive never had an arctic cat so im not sure how they hold up. But the bf will have more aftermarket parts and its faster from the get go. My next atv with be a brute force for sure.
Posted by: 700vtwinman
I would rate it this way since I have had 2 kawie vtwins and I ride with a 650H1.
POWER: kawie 650 has more HP
TORQUE: kawie 650 has more torque, however the 650H1 motor makes most of its torque at the low end like a diesel motor which = great pulling power.
Ground clearance: AC650H1 has 12" while the kawie650i has 10.8"
Susp. Travel: AC650H1 has a full 10" while the kawie650i has around 7.8"
Slow Ride Comfort: AC650H1 will ride slightly better
Fast Ride Comfort: About the same with the edge to kawie maybe.
Mudding: Both are great, but the AC650H1 might do better b/c of ground clearance.
4wd system: Both are limited slip with front diff locker, but I love the kawie progressive locker. You can lock it in when you want while moving.
Towing: Should be the same - both should tow what ever you want.
Top Speed: Kawie650i hands down here. It should top out about 68mph while the 650H1 about 62mph and the kawie will get there quicker.
Rock Hound: Both should be pretty good, but the 650H1 should take it with is susp. travel
Racks: Both hold about the same, but the AC has the speed rack system which is good.
Price: Kawie might be slightly lower, at least it is in my area.
Bottom line, get some seat time on both and determine for yourself. Just a suggestion, don't get overwelmend with the kawie's powerful motor that you just make the decision based on that. Remember that a quad is the sum of all it's parts and capabilities.
Posted by: 700vtwinman
Originally posted by: acpower
the locker on the kawi is a brake lever style that you have to hold in while the lock is on. probably the most retarded setup ive ever seen in my life.
Whatever!!! You must enjoy bashing other brands to make yours seem like the best. Maybe to you the locker is "difficult", but many other people like it. It really is very ease to use, but that might be the problem for you.
When you need to lock in your AC, you have to come to a complete stop and then switch a lever. At that point, it might be too late and your stuck. On the kawies progressive locker, you can squeeze it when you feel the bike gettint stuck and the front wheels will lock in while you still have momentum. Furthermore, a pen locker can be purchased from highlifter for about $40 and will allow the progressive locker to stay locked without holding it down. Then when you don't want it, push the button and the bike is back in limited slip mode.
This system is extremely easy to use and will keep the bike from getting stuck many times. I would say that with an attack like yours, you have never used one and if so, didn't know what you were doing. Hmmmmmm. Nice bashing from you ic.
Posted by: 700vtwinman
I have over 1200 miles on my kawie700 prairie, over 950miles on my kawie bf750 and my brothers 360prairie has over 700miles and none of them has had any problems with the lockers. We ride rocks, steep hills, mud, just about anything out there and the locker is great. And, BTW, the AC locker cable wire can fail as well, so that doesn't hold any water. I am not brand loyal even though I have several kawies. They have just held up and done extremely well. And I doubt you know more than me or anyone else for that matter.
If I remember correctly, you were the one who put on this site a video of you jumping your brother.........which you got hammered with safety issues. Now that is real smart. If you don't like the kawie progressive locker, that is fine. But your approach is bashing. All you had to do is say I don't prefer the kawie locker or something like that. But when you say it is probably the most retarted locker you have ever seen, get ready to have the bashing returned.
I personally think AC makes good products even though I don't like stopping to put the locker on the AC's. But I don't bash them, it is just another approach.
IF YOU BASH.....YOU MUST BE TRASH.
Posted by: 700vtwinman
Originally posted by: SBuckJ
Fanboy..hmmm....where have I heard this before? Know any other words? May be a good idea to listen to other people sometimes instead of thinking you know it all. 700vtwin man seems to be speaking from experience which is what advice reeder05 seems to be looking for.
Buck
Thanks for the backup. That is exactly what I like about this form is helping each other from experiences. I would take either one of these quads in a heart beat b/c I know they both are awesome quads. And actually I am glad to see AC start building their own motors like the H1, which has been a huge success. Anyway, thanks.
Posted by: 700vtwinman
Maybe his brother will get on the quad and jump him next time. Just because you can type on this forum that you have extensive experience riding EVERY quad made, doesn't mean it is the truth. Usually, when someone has to "toot their own horn" means they lack something. Whatever dude, you keep talking garbage and maybe the trash man will come and pick you up. There are enough people on this thread and others that realize you are silly and immature in your response. Enjoy the horn tooting.
BTW, do you know that your AC650 has a kawie v-twin motor? Just making sure, but you probably already know that. As a matter of fact, I bet you have all the individual bolts serial numbers memorized for every quad made since you know it all. Again, "toot that horn" real loud so we can all hear.....typical Pharisee, but I doubt you know what that is.
Posted by: 700vtwinman
Originally posted by: acpower
omfg my ac has a kawi. no effin way. yes i knew that, and im honestly quite displeased with it. wish i would have got the H1. i dont know what your problem is. maybe youre POed that ive forgot more about 4wheelers than youll ever know, maybe your dicks so small you pee on your balls. i dont really care. i come on here to give people help and you get mouthy with me and try to come out on top. the 650H1 is a better machine. i speak for myself when i talk so if ppl blame other AC riders they have down syndrome. it is what it is and my knowledge is what i say it is. so keep on talkin $hit cause i can take it. cause deep down you know that AC and myself are better than you and thats all your problem is.
This kind of language is uncalled for here and is going to get you banned. You are reported!!! People here don't want to see your lack of intellegence with your language. If you read the post after mine, you would have seen that even AC riders were amazed at your attacks. Good luck with explaining this one to atv connection magazine personel.
Personally, I think the ac650H1 is a great motor and I have never ever said that AC quads are bad but on the contrary if you look at all my post about AC quads, I have had nothing but praise. But when you attack my statements with bashing kawies progressive diff locker that now kawies motor in your personal quad, then you get what has come to you. GO SELL YOUR QUAD IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE MOTOR!!! But, there are enough AC guys here that have read my post and know that I like AC quads and have never bashed AC one time.
But the bottom line is, you can disagree with me and that's fine, but when you let your intellegence show with foul language like that, that is where I draw the line.
Posted by: 700vtwinman
Originally posted by: Raptoryfn660r
Originally posted by: acpower
seems like having ridden pretty much every atv they make on all brands to get a feel for the machine and all of its advantages/disadvantages would give me the edge on knowledge, plus endless hours on the internet researching. so know your roles and shut your mouths.
I have had problems with this user before so with that in mind this guy is marked as not active on this forum.
Thanks, I should have read your reply before I submitted mine. Again, thanks.
Posted by: fxdwg03
have had my H1 for 8 months..i have rock crawled,mud pit, jumped it, wheelied it (on both ends), and towed with it, hauled and just plain rode it hard sometimes...never had a problem yet and have had a few that i ride with looking at a possible trade in?
steering is hard and a rear sway-bar are only complaints from ME. also 07 tires suck!! LOL
Posted by: fxdwg03
the kawasaki will be definetly faster on the top side...getting the there the AC H1 will lead it.. pulling power is H1 and as far as after market goodies?....there are alot for both...just comes down to prefrence on brand?...i really love my 2 ARCTIC CATS (GRRRR!)
Posted by: v2rider
AC power, being an AC rider, im also for the ARctic Cat in this one. But it wasnt really necessary to come out with "the kawi system sucks". You make the rest of AC riders look like bashers. I personally like the Kawis, but am brand loyal to AC. On topic, id of course choose AC. But i have the 650V2, with Kawis VTwin, and its by far faster and has more take off than the H1. But hook them together, and the H1 will pull the kawi, or my 650V2 around in circles
Posted by: v2rider
double post
Posted by: SBuckJ
Fanboy..hmmm....where have I heard this before? Know any other words? May be a good idea to listen to other people sometimes instead of thinking you know it all. 700vtwin man seems to be speaking from experience which is what advice reeder05 seems to be looking for.
Buck
Posted by: SBuckJ
No problem. I was called a "fanboy" on another thread on here due to acpower disagreeing with me. Sounds almost like MOTOF150. Just seems that having experience with both machines, and owning them, is good advice.
Buck
Posted by: SBuckJ
Yeah..definitely MOTOF150. According to your pics you look old enough to have years of knowledge under your belt. Please forgive me
Buck
Posted by: SBuckJ
AMEN 700vtwinman. When people ask for advice, most of us try to help with what experiences we've had. No bashin, just helpin.
Buck
Posted by: acpower
AC 650 H1 easy. that engine is a powerhouse and has nuts. AC has a good 12 inches of ground clearance and 10 inches of suspension travel for that rough terrain you speak of also. the kawi only has 10" of ground clearance and no comment on susp. travel. the H1 is also an extremely reliable engine, stays a lot cooler than the kawi twin does and runs better.
Posted by: acpower
low end power and mid range torque is unstoppable on cat, the kawi just has top speed over it, which will only be 5-10 mph more. the 650 H1 has the holeshot on it though. pulling power, holeshot, low end and mid range the AC takes the cake. so its more of a quesstion of how close is the kawi to the AC in power.
Posted by: acpower
i wouldnt worry about anything breaking on an ac. ive had mine well over a year and pushed it beyond the limits and returned to brag about it.
Posted by: acpower
the locker on the kawi is a brake lever style that you have to hold in while the lock is on. probably the most retarded setup ive ever seen in my life.
Posted by: acpower
when the terrain becomes more difficult its going to be harder to keep a handle on that and the machine. and hmmm i have used one and hmmm i did know what i was doing, sorry if im a better rider and that i know more than you and you are jealous. i see youre clearly a kawi fanboy. the wire can also easily losen and come out of adjustment, just like bicycle brakes, hence kawi having it set on a 90 day inspection in the manual. dee dee dee. what are you gonna do when youre out in the bush and it goes out of whack. buy an arctic cat.
Posted by: acpower
seems like having ridden pretty much every atv they make on all brands to get a feel for the machine and all of its advantages/disadvantages would give me the edge on knowledge, plus endless hours on the internet researching. so know your roles and shut your mouths.
Posted by: acpower
omfg my ac has a kawi. no effin way. yes i knew that, and im honestly quite displeased with it. wish i would have got the H1. i dont know what your problem is. maybe youre POed that ive forgot more about 4wheelers than youll ever know, maybe your dicks so small you pee on your balls. i dont really care. i come on here to give people help and you get mouthy with me and try to come out on top. the 650H1 is a better machine. i speak for myself when i talk so if ppl blame other AC riders they have down syndrome. it is what it is and my knowledge is what i say it is. so keep on talkin $hit cause i can take it. cause deep down you know that AC and myself are better than you and thats all your problem is.
Posted by: reeder05
Hey guys, I am looking for a new bike. The price between the two are within $200 so price is not going to make me lean either way. I will be huntin off this bike in the Palo Duro Canyon. It gets to be pretty rough country. On ocassion I will have a little d$$$ measuring contest with a few buddies. No serious racing just wanted to see how the two compare. Thank yall very much!!!
Posted by: reeder05
no comments?
Posted by: reeder05
still no comments?
Posted by: reeder05
thanx ac. my cousin is a ac dealer and let me demo a 400 for the week. he said same idea, the 650 h1 has more power. but relatively how close to the 650i is the AC in power.
p.s. they call it a cat bc it will climb anything!!! very happy with just demo-ing the 400 so far!
Posted by: reeder05
so the switch from te v2 to the h1 had its advantages, well an arctic cat dealer here in texas owes you a handshake, but the only draw back to the a.c . is that if something breaks, there is only 2 dealers in the Dallas-Fort Worth area that can fix it. and they rely on stuff from Oklahoma. There are a bunch of Kawies. i guess a.c. is known for there snowmobiles? not much of a need for those down here!!
Posted by: reeder05
wow, i so thought this was going to be more leaned to the kaw
Posted by: reeder05
dang, this got serious... i dont really want to say what i bought!!! i apologize, did not mean to stirr anything up here!! i got a tremendous deal on a kawie. I demoed the A.C. for a weekend. I have to say, those are great machines. If I were into the deep muddin, that would be choice. Also, if i were to be rock crawlin, the A.C. would go home with me. But a 30-40 mph, the A.C. (to me) seems to be rougher and super top heavy. i rode the Kawie, and really enjoyed it. in turns, it handles better (to me) and is smoother riding(to me). but the A.C. is one hell of a bike!! since i am not going to be doing "extreme offroad), i chose the Kawie. plus, I bought a 2007 that was on the showroom floor while the 2008 were rolling in. They didnt have room and came off the price just over $1k!!
again thanks to all!!
