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Posted by: GE4x4
Have you looked at the Ranger XP? Allready has seating for 3, bigger bed, plenty of power and ground clearance. Plus having EFI helps with altitude changes and temps. Tons of storage to.
Posted by: GE4x4
What is the weight and width of the XTX?
Posted by: Hebs
Extras, I'd get a grizzly cdi
skid plates
2" lift kit
28" tires (zillas seem to work really well... )
Posted by: DesertViper
Rhino 660s certainly don't have too much power. So I personally would not buy a 450 if you are contemplating building a four seater. Thats just too much weight and too little motor for me. Having owned both a Grizzly 660 and a Grizzly 700 I don't think the extra power from the 700, or the fuel injection, are worth waiting for. I didn't wait, I bought an '07 Rhino. The power steering might be worth waiting for, it depends on what the extra cost is. If I were to wait for an '08 I would seriously look at the Kawasaki 750 v-twin side by side over a Rhino 700 (assuming Yamaha does go with the 700 next year). I've owned Polaris ATVs before, and Polaris reliability scares me too much to consider a Ranger or Razr.
Safety items are worthwhile initial mods. Offset wheels for a more stable stance, leg minders, and harnesses are all worth the money. An aftermarket CDI from Dynatek is a great mod when it comes to bang for the buck as well.
DV
Posted by: DesertViper
I can't resist the urge to compare the specs of my altered Rhino to the Prowler that were just posted.
Length 123"
Width 74"
Height 74"
Weight 1300 #
Posted by: DesertViper
Originally posted by: zitterich246
They wouldnt sell me the one I wanted, so I bought the cat. I wanted the best on the market, and got it
Same thing happened to me, sort of. I went to the local Yamaha dealer and asked their out the door price on an '07 Rhino, and they would not give me a price. After half an hour of me asking what the price was, and them asking silly things like "what did I want to make for payments?", and "how much down payment would there be?", and still not being able to ever get a price out of them, I left. I called another dealer I have dealt with in the past, and got an out the door price over the phone, and picked it up the next weekend. The bad thing about side x sides being so popular right now is that dealers and the aftermarket industry are downright raping us on the cost of anything side x side related. My neighbor just bought a Polaris Razr, and he bought it in Minnesota and had it shipped here to Utah for a lot less money than he could have bought one for locally.
Posted by: DesertViper
Congrats on the Rhino.
Posted by: Honeyduck96
Kawasaki should be at dealers in late August.
Posted by: acpower
atv magazine just labeled the prowler the best UTV. the prowler will offer you 13" of GC stock. the ride is beautiful on them. if anything id toss on a set of ITP Mudlite XTRs or Terracross tires. Vs the Rhino and the Ranger i would definately put the Prowler on top. Prices of the Prowlers are:
07 reg - $8,400
07 XT - $9,000
'08 XT - $9,500
'08 XTX (700 EFI H1 engine, plus they moved the top speed to around 55-60 on the '08 models) - $10,000
Posted by: acpower
heres a link to my website with a ton of info on the 08 model:
Arctic Cat Prowler
let me start by saying the 13" ground clearance/10" suspension travel are a huge plus on the AC. the bucket seats vs the bench seat of a polaris. the rasing of the top speed to compete with the Polaris RZR. EFI. Easier to get into in 08 with redesigned armrests. relocation of intake and enhanced exhaust to lower Dbs of ride. the gas pedal supports that are pointed out in the Rhino video have been improved and dont go from side to side anymore. bucket seats moved towards center for better erganomics. rubber coating on tailgate latch to reduce vibration. turf saver lets the rear tires spin at different speeds so you dont tear up your grass. hemi engine for better combustion. the 650 H1 and 700 H1 are extremely powerful and proven engines with lots of low end power and mid range torque. id also pay the $600 difference for the diff lock and bumpers. if you want the most bang for the buck id definately get the XTX for EFI and a little more power. ill bring home my magazine from work tonight and give you why they put the prowler over the rhino and the ranger also if need be. its just an all around better machine than the rhino and the ranger. any questions feel free and i can get back to you tomorrow.
BTW on my website ignore everything on the top until line 11 about air intake. the 1st 10 lines are about the 366 that i accidentaly put on the prowler page and will remove tomorrow also.
Posted by: acpower
those prices are from my local dealer without any discounts or rebates. going in and out of 4x4 you dont have to stop for. the 2-4wd is on the fly and doesnt require stopping. the diff lock you have to stop to put on, but you will rarely need it. the only one with the turf saver is the XTX and i believe you set it to turf saver its not an all the time thing. that tranny is perfectly fine, mine did that at 1st too. didnt take long to wear out of it.
as far as GE4x4s question dimensions are of the XTX
length 115
width 61.3
height 77.5
weight 1165
Posted by: acpower
im failing to understand if youre proud of that or not?
Posted by: acpower
i did you the favor of uploading the magazine article to my website and the link is below. note that all UTVs have pros and cons, but after all is said and done and the dust has settled, the Arctic Cat Prowler is the clear winner.
UTV Shootout Article
note also that in the 08 model lineup most of the things mentioned here were fixed and that the Prowler XTX 700 H1 EFI wasnt in the running either.
Posted by: acpower
hey by the way, in '08 the base Prowler has the Diff Lock also.
Posted by: acpower
i like that the Polaris employee own Arctic Cat and talks them up. he knows whats goin on.
Posted by: zitterich246
The prowler is faster than the rhino. The prowler is wider than the rhino making it less tippy, but on the downside it wont fit down "tight" trails as well as the rhino. In my opinion the prowler looks better and is a far more capable machine (stock) than the rhino.
Posted by: zitterich246
They wouldnt sell me the one I wanted, so I bought the cat. I wanted the best on the market, and got it
Posted by: zitterich246
I couldnt believe that they wouldnt sell me a red one, THAT I SEE EVERYDAY ON THE ASSEMBLY LINE, so I said f@#k em and bought the cat
Posted by: Habs11
Background: Buddy has Rhino and I love it. I have a few Q's before I take the plunge. Please offer any ideas, comments, etc.
Where I'll go: Mostly trail riding - some smooth most not even made yet. Will need to get through 12 inch mud, over 12 inch diameter trees. I do want a side by side as I may put on extra seats to ride 4 people (have 3 young kids).
1) Brand: I like the Rhino a lot but it's the only one I have rode. Seems from my onlione research this will be the best option for general trail and utility needs. Ground clearance is important (may even lift the stock unit). Can anyone share pro's cons' of the Rhino and the others?
2) Engize size: About $1,000 - $1,500 gets you from a 450 to 660 in the Yamaha. Can anyone testify that either is better, worth it, maybe the 660 is not needed. I will not need flat out speed - more concerned about power up hill, agility and power to potentially carry 4 people.
3) New Vs Used: I have not been able to find a dealer in my area with a used Rhino (have not looked at the other sxs). Seems on Ebay the units hold their value very well. I'm assuming it's not worth saving a couple thousand to get a unit a couple years old with somewhat unknown history - can anyone testify to this? Issue with online sales is they are never close to home.
4) I have read the that Rhino may have EFI, power steering and more power for 2008 models. Are these really worth whatever the premium may be for them (I'd guess about $1,000)? If the 2008s do change maybe I can pick up a 2007 for a discount (I'm guessing 15% or so off sticker).
5) Has anyone added the extra seats to the Rhino or any other side by side? I have never rode one with the extra seats and I want to be sure the stability does not change. Seems like the extra seats are set a but high and the roll bar added must be heavy - this scares me a bit since I have not experienced it first hand.
6) What extras does everyone reccommend? My first mod would be a winch, and also some sort of doors to keep the legs in. What else would anyone add to any side by side?
Again all comments are welcome on brand, size, new/used, mods, etc.
Posted by: Habs11
Bump and another question:
The Prowler has a base model and the XT. The base model does not have a locking differential option. Any comment on this? My concern would be getting through mud w/o the lock. To me that's the biggest difference between the base and the XT - i don't care about the shiny wheels.
Posted by: Habs11
acpower - why would you put the prowler on top? i'd like to know what you think and why. i did drive the prowler for a while and i like a few things about it but also disliked a few things.
Posted by: Habs11
thanks for the info. the shop i went to did not have the XTX 700. I only saw the 07 base and the 08 XTX. what is disliked about the XT (i only drove that) is a few times when i changed gears it hesitated or though it was in neutral - almost like you had to rool into gear a few times. dude told me it was just because it had never been ridden - had 1 mile on it. i just do not want that to be a sign of a bad tranny. i believe i'll be switching into and out of 4x4 a lot - like every couple minutes. so my first question would be - what do you think anout the gears having to "catch"? second question: in two wheel drive it it easy enough to tear it up instead of trying to seel it as a lawn saver? i want to be able to swing the back end around in dirt and "tear it up".
Posted by: Habs11
Those prices do not jive with the quotes I received. Here's what I got:
Both 100% new:
Prowler 2007 650 Base (with front bumber added ~ $200): $8,900
Prowler 2008 650 XT (no addons): $9,700
So are you rprices discounted? I was given a "discount" on mine but I did not knwo the MSRP. Not that MSRP matters but I do like to know where the dealer is starting from.
For the record the 2007 Rhino Price i was quoted was 9000 and I know the MNSRP is $9,800 (seems close to fair as I figure I can get 10% off the Rhino from what I have researched).
Posted by: Habs11
great - thank you so much for the article. to me the prowler and rhino are close - even after reading the article. rhino seems quicker but prowler has traveling pro's - the steering kickback of the rhino is a con and i have experienced it...... i have never taked a prowler on a trail - just a field. i'll will drive the prowler again later this week and i'll try to report back.
Posted by: Habs11
Originally posted by: acpower
i like that the Polaris employee own Arctic Cat and talks them up. he knows whats goin on.
i thought the same thing. i should be getting a used rhino in a few days. i'll report back once i have it. to me best thing about the prowler is stability - flat out speed is only greater in the prowler by a little and the rhino is a bit quicker. in the end i mostly based my decision on being more comfortable with the rhino because i have been on one a lot. . . and i like the fact there are more of them relative to the others so should be easier to get help/repair, etc.
Posted by: Habs11
I ended up with a used Rhino. I love it. Has what I wanted and a few extra goodies. I hope the thread can help others learn more about the machines.
Posted by: Habs11
I've had the rhino a month now and for me i made the right decision. i really like how agile it is. I do know for others the 400 lb limit in the cargo bed is a minus.
Posted by: HONDA CRUSHER 93
Originally posted by: acpower
atv magazine just labeled the prowler the best UTV.
atv magazine and dirtwheels are very close, but Dirtwheels is a lot more popular. Anyway they had an issue titled "is the prowler better than the rhino?" the rhino won, they were close through the test, but the prowler, like polaris, had many reliability issues. one of the worst was the front a-arms bent easily. another thing that i found out first hand at gander mtn. was the gas pedal on the prowler was just bolted into the plastic, and you could push it from side-to-side easily.
Posted by: HONDA CRUSHER 93
congrats on the rhino, i plan to get one or a grizzly in a couple months.
