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Posted by: pads
I had the popping and a change of plugs cured that problem. I think the stock plugs from the factory were weak, it had more power after that.
Posted by: CaptainQuint
Time to check into the lemon laws of your state. It would be worth the time and money to sit down with an attorney to see what your options are with regards to getting your money back. Not to sound harsh or to put too fine of a point on it and I'm trying to be helpful here but – it's going to be a lot more productive than running around bitching about it all over the internet. Get on the phone first thing tomorrow morning with your lawyer and get the ball rolling and find out where you stand legally. Personally I'd want rid of the thing and my money back and I'd pay a lawyer to get it for me.
Posted by: Doctorturbo
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The top of the piston and head look like a beaver chewed on it! Called kawa blew me off, told me they will fix the atv (whatever parts are broken) not the metal shavings that have made it to the bottom of the motor!!!!!!!!!!!
So your trying to tell us that the dealership mechanic is not going to clean out the bottom end? Or that they will charge you for the hours it takes to clean out the bottom end?
I say BS if that is what your trying to tell us.
Posted by: 700vtwinman
WOW.....if Kawie sold me a lemon, then it turned out to be lemon aid. What a joke. Every brand will have a bad bike or two every once in a while. That doesn't mean everything is junk. Whatever. I love mine and no problems.
Posted by: 700vtwinman
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Originally posted by: mykool61679
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Originally posted by: Baseballroxmasox
I said, yes I would be mad. But just like I said.... don't bash kaw.... I dunno if you are giving us the whole story. If you have only used it for one hour, you should have a FULL coverage warranty of everything for like, the first 30days. Thats what they gave me when I went and got my praire. And like you said (RO) said.... call the rep and they should help you out. They want you to be 100% Satisfied. Thanks for making me feel like a complete dick btw. I said don't bash kaw... bash the people who are being idiots at the situation!!! Like the people who "laughed" at you.
this the only reason i still stick with honda! this guy has every reason in the world to bash who ever sold him this piece"o"$hit. i dont know bout all you boys but 7 or 8 grand is a heck of a lot of money! how can you justify fixing it but not fix what the problem caused, metal shaving! im a loyal honda man but they do have there faults such as no locker, but you kawa guys are wrong, he has every right to bash em! bash on!hr>
Oh give me a break......."this the only reason i still stick with honda! ." Every brand has lemons. For your information, my family has owned kaiwes for a long time and never had any problems outside from general maintanance. I did have a honda recon and had several carbarator problems. "This is why I stick with kawie." Maybe you think your honda doesn't break down and that is because the technology is so old, the problems have been figured out. Why can't honda develop a front differential locker rather than have their 3 will drive system???? Kawie, yamaha, a suzuki offer lockers for most of their 4x4's, but honda doesn't offer it on any model. And, I have driven a honda 400AT 4x4 rancher, rubicon, and rincon and the 4wd systems left me stuck. And, what about not offering a low range on the rincon? To have a "big bore" quad without a low range? My aunts rincon rides great, but when she needs to tow the small trailer around the camp site, the machine struggles b/c it doesn't have a low range. She has to use the ESP and there again, it needs a low range. So, please don't bash another brand just to make your choice the best. Gurrrr!!! And, BTW, I do like hondas, just don't like the fact they chose to stay behind in the new technology department. Yes this guy has every reason to be mad if the story is true. But, remember, every brand makes lemons.
Posted by: 700vtwinman
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Originally posted by: RO
One more thing, Honda's the three I've owned previously
1987 Fourtrax bought second hand on last leg ran it for years no problems
1997 honda recon ran it for years no problems
2005 honda rancher 398 miles no problems
2006 brute force, last one on the lot, picked up with 10miles on it, ran it 8 miles(flat gound gravel road) excessive backfiring, it's still in the shop.
I would personally settle for old tech, no locker, etc. If I could have a machine that ran right now!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then why don't you settle for an old out dated honda and stop saying kawies are bad? Let me see, I had one 1997 honda recon and had carb problems left and right......hmmmm.....does that mean honda makes all junk? NO! I didn't judge the entire company based on 1 machine that had problems nor did I base that on a dealer. I'm a bit confused. You are bashing kawie based on 1 machine that was "new" (10 miles driving it around the shop????) that has problems? What about all the people who have kawies with no problems? Maybe you should consider that you have a bad machine, but based on all the good reports, it is a fluke. Focus your attention on the "bad dealer." Contact Kawie themselves and document everything that has happened. It seems to me that would be the straight foward thing to do rather than bash all kawies. That is unless your real point is to bash.
Posted by: 700vtwinman
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Originally posted by: workhorse
Hello.
Call it a local or even a Canadian way of doing things.
When some one get's a new machine they usualy get some one to follow them to see if the new machine works.
If something starts to go wrong the follow rider stops the person on the new machine before anything get's worse.
Some even use video cameras, rarely though
Call it paranoid, or just common sense that up here in the north if you get stuck , help is very far away.
I supose you can say we have "lemon paranoia". Well better safe than sorry.
I have two kawa bayous and love them. I was intendding to buy a BF. However the FD lockers were/are faulty, reverse gear needs work as well.
As for your bf's motor head blowing you could also have had water in your fuel. However I believe you had contamination in the cooling system, blocking the oil flow. The kawas bayous do this as well.
It could have been residual metal, or a bad oil filter. Foriegn particles ended up stalling the valves or preventing the valves from closing properly.
Bad oil (it happens), sludge of another kind..
Best of luck.
Why do you say the FD locker /were.are faulty? My 700prairie, my BF750 and my brothers 360 prairie FD lockers have always worked. I have never heard of that before.
Posted by: 700vtwinman
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Originally posted by: J0NJON
I completely agree with what RO has to say. If anyone on here knows me, they know i stick up for Polaris. I had alot of posts on my other name (JJonJon).. But anyway, like toyeboy said, no matter what brand, if this happens to anyone they have a right to rant on about anything they want to. Man, i may have handled your situation in a slightly different manner, but for the most part, i would've done what you did. And i would have been one pi$$ed mother f'er if this happend to me. Kawi guys this is not one of the type of posts to stick up for Kawi and try and be brand loyal. I mean, my god, its common sense to know that every brand, now a'days especially, makes good quads, and we all know theres plenty of people that have never had a problem out of their quads, like me (Polaris 700) but when something like this happens, he/she has a right to be pi$$ed.
RO.. I feel for you man. However, i think you need to take that chance on trying to get a lawyer.. Unless something else has already happend for you. It may work, and i think its the best chance you got. Anyway, i hope you get your money, and a good dependable quad back. Good luck with all your troubles..
I would share how my '04 Sportsman 500 Mossy Oak got "stolen" at the dealer, and they werent going to do anything about it lol... But i "MADE" sure everything went the way it was supposed to about that. And all went well....
You are wrong! I will stick up for what I have experienced with my kawies. A bf750, prairie700, prairie360, and kawie 3000 mule (1998 model) and none of them have had any problems other than changing out the muffler on the mule, which after 7 years of use, that is to be expected. I think the point you guys are missing is when he started this thread, he attacked kawie and all bf quads by saying, "The brute force LEMON!!!!!!!" and other statements instead of being angry at the dealer. Yes it is a big hassel when a new quad has problems, but based on all he has said, it is his local dealer. And we all know that kawie doesn't own dealers, they give the dealers the right to sell their product. The dealer can be a butt head or not, but it is the dealers choice to do so. Why not start the thread like, "BF problems - dealer sucks?" That way, we know he is not attacking kawie, but the dealer.
And, as far as backing "american", polaris is in partnership with TMK and several of polaris motors are fugi, which is Japaneese. So, don't start with that cr4p. There is nothing now days that you can buy that is trully american. We are now a vegatable soup of companies that are all intertwined together. And, why should I try to be faithfull to a company when they all souly out to protect the share holders money and make as much as possible? Let me see, I'm a chemist for a research lab for SHELL and we now have all our computer support in India. That is b/c SHELL wanted to save more money, and thus took the jobs away from americans. It didn't matter if you bought SHELL gasoline or not, they would still do it. I am not loyal to any brand, but I will put my hard earned money to the company with the best quality at the lowest price. B/C you see, ultimately in the end, we are all on our own. You might think today you have a great job, but tomorrow that american company moves overseas to make a bigger profit, thus laying you off. Be loyal....go a head, but this country changed not b/c consumers wanted forgien products, but b/c of free trade and american companies becoming more greedy that they go at all cost to get their money, no matter if we are loyal to them.
Posted by: 700vtwinman
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Originally posted by: J0NJON
700vtwinman, i also think that was a great post as well, but it seems like you got completely wounded up and got WAYYYY of subject. Never once did i say anything about Kawasaki not being reliable. And not once did i say or brag in anyway a/b Polaris being American.. All i said was that i'll stick up for Polaris b/c i've had two of their products, pushed them about as hard as they can be pushed, and have never had one thing go wrong with them in over 2400 miles. Kindof like what you're doing for Kawasaki.. Its common sense to know that every brand has lemons and i think everyone also knows that every manufactuer now'days builds reliable solid quads. So there was really no need in stating something thats already known... But you went off talking about your job and SHELL and how the world is full of greed.... where did that come from? My whole entire post meant that every brand has lemons and we all know that. And whenever this type of situation happens, i think the person it happens to has all the right in the world to complain. Personally, i never really recognized that he was attacking Kawasaki. Just that particular quad he was sold and the dealer.
Man oh man, I am truly sorry JONJON. I guess I have been very stressed lately b/c I have been working almost 6 days a week 12 hours a day for the last 3 months trying to convert our lab computer system over to a new SHELL GI system. And trying to get several research projects ready in my spare time. I typically fish about once a week and ride about the same, however this summer, I have fished 3 times......UGH!!! And, I don't have any end of this mess until November. Then I will take a long vacation. But, again, I have noticed that I have been quite a butt head lately and I apologize to you and anyone else I have offended with my sharpe tone. BTW, I do like polaris quads a lot. I will most likely add the polaris 6x6 ranger to our ranch next summer for work chores.
Posted by: 700vtwinman
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Originally posted by: RO
700vtwin man have you been sniffin to many chemicals down there at Shell????LOL, no seriously man, I could see were you have a right to feel loyalty to Kawie, you've had great success with them! You stated that I started bashing the company by starting this thred, The Brute Force Lemon!!!!!, If I was bashing Kawie I would have said All brute forces are lemons!!!!! Instead I stated that I was open to although Kawie builds lemons, every company has it's share. I did my homework on the net, and listened to the public and just ended up with a bad one @&#$^. Yes I did mess up, by going with a dealer across the state that I did'nt know,(it was bought on vacation AS A GIFT) but I don't think any dealer would have replaced this thing!!! I did not get what I wanted which was a solid quad and for the most part everyone has pretty much understood!!!! I've basically been open to the fact that I made a couple of mistakes, but everything anyone has said about Kawie, you've been right there standing up for them. Be open to the fact that Kawie could have sent a rep out, channeled this phone call up to the top, talked to the dealer etc. (DONE A LOT MORE) I personally had to talk to the owner across the state and get him to fight for me, ended up with an extra year warranty. I personally don't think that's enough, but that is what I'm getting.(UNLESS I GO TO COURT, THEN I COULD GET NOTHING, I THINK KAWIE AND THE DEALERS POCKETS RUN A LITTLE DEEPER THAN MINE)
"Can you feel that V-TWIN power???" (NOT REALLY)
Hey RO, I want to apologize to you as well. I guess I have let the stress of work get to me lately. You are correct about having an issue with the dealer and kawie. I hope you can get this resloved. Again, sorry for the attitude and good luck with fixing the problem.
Posted by: 700vtwinman
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Originally posted by: bigike
Ok now I'm gonna cry as we all sing cumbaya! lol Talking bought jobs, i love mine but im a field mechanic for Fairbanks Morse Engine, and work 7/12's or god knows how many hours! and spent 250-300 days on the road. I'm in kansas now, GOD i miss my quad!
LOL.....good one. Do you need a Kleenex to wipe away the tears? I have a few extra......LOL
Posted by: 700vtwinman
Hey DesertViper,
Nice looking 2007 griz700. How do you like it? Can you give us a report?
Posted by: Hebs
Unfortunately, the same thing happened to my friend's BF as well... I think he had 20hrs on his... He had to pay for it... somethin like $1500 or so... (I think he was at 6mo 10 days, so he was past waranty)
Posted by: tencubed
Been watching this thread here and in the Kawi forum. Not much interested in joining the pissing contest but do have a story to tell about Kawi repair to a new Prairie.
When I bought my 360 I broke it in right and added a couple of oil changes to the break in period. When the quad had about 10 hours on it the engine seized up. Called the dealership and set up an appointment to take it in. They would have taken it right away but I was busy and took it in about a week later. On arrival at the dealership, RMC in Renton, Washington, the service manager took the information of what had happened and the quad was put in the shop. They told me it could take a couple of weeks to get it back. This was on a Tuesday as I recall. The next Monday the service manager called to tell me one of the main bearings had frozen to the crank. She advised the factory would stand behind the repairs and that a few engines had had this problem. The next week the quad was ready to be picked up. Took me another week to pick up the machine and the mechanic that had worked on it showed me the damaged parts. They had replace the entire bottom end of the engine and he advised me to go thru the break in routine again. I did this and have had no further problems with the machine. We use this quad on the farm a lot and it has had the tar worked out of it with a blade and bucket and a pull behind mower. I have done some sport riding and really enjoy the way the machine handles even difficult, by my standards at least, trails.
The point of this is that Kawasaki, like most major manufacturers, will stand behind their products. Dealerships are a chance draw. Since the manufacturers do not pay full rate for warrantee work the dealerships often attempt to do the work on the customers money. In my case I found a very good dealership and because of this we have purchased several more machines for use on the farm.
Any dealership will be hard to get along with if you do not take the time to listen to what they have to say about what the manufacturer will or will not do in the way of repair work. My first thought when the engine failed in the 360 was "new engine" but Kawi does not do that. What they did was acceptable and turned out well. By dealing with them straight up and giving them the time they needed to do the repairs without making a big deal of it I was treated with courtesy and in a timely manner.
Prior to buying the 360 at this dealership I hung around the place for a few hours and talked to some of the people that were having repair work done or were picking their machines up. Talked to them about the service before and after the sale. I also looked at several other dealerships and compared prices and looked at their shops and the way the dealership was kept up. The condition of a shop will tell a lot about the quality of the mechanics working in it and the quality of the work they will be able to do. RMC's shop was clean and well equipped. They were also one of the few dealerships that were really willing to show me their shop.
I paid a few hundred dollars more than I could have gotten the quad for elsewhere but believe it was well worth the price.
Just what happened to me, take from it what you will.
Posted by: montyh
my'06 brute has 900 miles of the most difficult trails i can find, and the last time it was at the dealers was when i bought it.
Posted by: montyh
the Kawi Brutes are made in Lincoln Nebraska.
the Brutes don't as a rule "burn oil".
the root of this problem sounds like me to be the factory jetting (hence the backfires) causing pre-ignition. this in turn takes out the piston.
this makes me a little angry, too. my 650i is jetted just fine for my elevation, but most kawis need rejetted right from the start. why dont the dealers just install the correct jets before selling them? why so lean anyway? do they have to meet some kind of emissions standard?
i like my brute. wouldn't trade it for anything, but they are not perfect and there are some legitemate gripes about them.
monty
Posted by: montyh
yea, i understand. we're just sharing info. i just haven't heard of the oil consumption issue. this leads me to another possible issue, tho. there are some guys that have had flooding issues from a rough trailer ride. this may happen only with snorks, but i check my oil every day i use by brute, and especially before i start it to unload it from the trailer. the flooding can fill a cyllinder and dilute the oil. therefore, if the oil is higher on the dipstick, you should see that as a red flag. it is also a good idea to turn it over once with the pull starter to make sure it won't hydro lock. but i have not seen it use a drop of oil.
but i am one of the lucky ones that haven't had a problem at all. i only have 900 miles on it, but i'm still a happy camper. i realize that it is more of a random chance thing more than any wisdom on my part.
monty
Posted by: montyh
RO, yea, the whine is normal. it's a combination of the KEBC and the blet whine. (the kawi trannys are noisy anyway)
the pop isn't normal. do a plug read and see what your plugs tell ya if you need a plug chart i can post a link. anyway the color and condition of the plugs will tell you if your jetting is rich or lean. the pop is usually a symptom of jetting issues.
the center caps. well dunno what to tell ya there. i see them on ebay dirt cheap all the time, and someone posted that it works good to silicone them on the wheels.
monty
Posted by: montyh
some other guys have reported the popping disappearing during break-in, too.
i search ebay for "kawasaki brute" once a week or so and that will pull up a couple of the auctions for caps (usually sold in sets of four)
monty
Posted by: TexasRoadlawyer
RO-
It's time to take action instead of bitching...like HADES said, you're losing your sympathetic audience
First, don't communicate anymore by phone until after you have sent a written (preferably typed) letter outlining the problem(s) you are having, what has been said and by whom, what you were told would be done, and how long it would take. Be sure to include your concerns (i.e. DOCUMENT) about the bottom end and metal particle contamination. Send it via CERTIFIED MAIL to the dealer as well as the dealer rep and the division manager. Take all the piss and vinegar out of it so that you are clear and non-insulting. Then call, using a tape recorder to tape any conversation you are a part of, and see what the dealer tells you he will do and when he will do it.
If you still don't get the problem solved, hire a lawyer. By providing the lawyer with your "paper trail" of correspondence, you will give the lawyer ammo to use against the dealer that the court will take appreciative note of, as it will prove you tried to resolve the matter privately and got no satisfaction before you involved the court's time.
Good luck, and let us know how it progresses
Posted by: TexasRoadlawyer
Ro-
In case you didn't realize it, you got some free advice from a lawyer. And notice I didn't say "go out and hire a lawyer first" did I?
My point was that you should at least take the time to send written correspondence that memorializes what has been said/done/intended by both parties. Many times that is enough to get the superior employee's attentions and get the wheels rolling in your favor.
It's possible that maybe you came across as an a$$hole when you were talking to the dealer/service mgr and he blew you off, so a letter to the folks listed in my last comment will be less emotional and more illustrative of the situation, and a service rep might just take notice and do something to help you.
What will it hurt? How much of your precious time will it take? Not much either way.
However, throwing up your hands and saying "poor me, I'm getting screwed" and doing NOTHIN about it gets you nowhere.
Give it a try amigo...the worst that can happen is you waste an hour typing letters and $1 to mail them. The best is that you get a call asking you to bring the ATV in to have an engine replacement done.
You can always make the decision to go to court LATER, and if you do you will have already established that you tried to work it out.
If you don't have a lawyer, you can still take the dealer to court in small claims court (although I don't advise doing that...it's kinda like going to a gunfight with a knife in your hand)
Also, I would ask a LAWYER about getting awarded court costs and legal fees....most jurisdictions will award those to the winner.
You can lead a horse to water....
Posted by: propnut
American companies have bought and paid for your local politicians. So buying American makes American politicians rich, then of course, it trickles down to us...right?
Quality and price aside, I endorse buying from a company that pays its execs a ratio of 35 to 1 rather than a (American) company that pays an exec 10 times (or more) that ratio.
It's unfortunate you have had this trouble. As the unit had 10 hours of 2:00 minute runs, I think Kawasaki has been reasonable. It is my opinion the dealer should have stepped up.
Posted by: DesertViper
If your dealer works for you, instead of for Kawasaki, you should get the bottom end cleaned out as part of the warranty coverage. I personally think Kawasaki is awesome when it comes to warranty coverage. Case in point: I had a 2005 Kawasaki Prairie700 that I had owned for almost six months when I decided to install a Four Stroke Tech 800cc big bore kit, which included new cylinder sleeves, cams, valves, porting, pistons, etc. I had the dealer install it for me, and then took it out and broke it in nice and gentle like. On the third ride the motor quit with a bang, and after getting towed to the truck I took it back to the dealer. My warranty had expired two weeks before the motor broke, but the dealer repaired it for free (It was a broken cam chain). Being as it was still within the calender month that my warranty had expired in, Kawasaki paid for the repairs under warranty, and it cost me nothing at all. So the moral of the story is ... FIND A GOOD DEALER! Seriously, people always come on here with questions about should I buy a Grizzly or a Outlander or a Rincon? The correct answer is: buy from the best dealer in your area.
DV
Posted by: DesertViper
RO,
Congratulations on getting at least some resolution of your problem, it sounds like you finally found a dealer that has gone to bat for you. I would think your quad would be fine once they fix it, and if not you have a long warranty period to find out otherwise. And you can always sell it if you don't want to keep it.
And to the person that said they only buy Honda because of better warranty coverage, snag a clue, it wasn't Honda, but rather, a good local Honda dealer. So give credit where credit is due, most of the time the manufacturer doesn't even hear the details of a warranty claim, they just pay the dealer to do the work after they get the bill. There is a reason you don't see any Honda's in my signature, and it isn't because I don't like Honda products. Our local Honda dealer is HORRIBLE! I had a Rincon that broke a rear driveshaft u-joint while under warranty (I have no idea why, I would think that part shouldn't just break). Our dealer said to bring it in because it was still under warranty and Honda would pay for it. Well he took forever to order the parts, then the parts were on backorder and unavailable, then he took forever to do the work once he got the parts. Bottom line -- NINE WEEKS in the freaking shop to replace a driveshaft u-joint. The only reason I left it there that long was because we had lots of other machines to use, and he kept saying it would be covered by warranty, and he would "get right to it". When he finally finished the work he charged me $264 and said it wasn't covered by warranty because the warranty had expired while it was sitting in his shop. He wouldn't even submit the claim to Honda, because the warranty was over. And why does it cost $264 to change a freaking u-joint? I could have fought the case with Honda, but decided to fight with my pocket book instead, and have never set foot in that dealers shop again in the five years since that happened. I have purchased about 15 dirt bikes and ATVs in those five years, but I won't own a Honda if I have to take it to that dealer to have it worked on, and I don't want to haul it 50 miles to the next closest Honda dealer, so no Honda's for me.
Posted by: DesertViper
Do the Brute Forces blow oil into the airbox as bad as the Prairie and V-forces do? I suspect that issue causes a lot of engines to run low on oil, and perhaps lead the owners to think they are burning oil. It is particularly a problem if a lot of time is spent riding wheelies or hill climbing. And do the Brute Forces run out of gas on hillclimbs like a Prairie 700 does? Seriously, our Prairie 700 consistently ran out of gas on long uphill climbs if the gas tank got down to half a tank or less. The fuel pickup in the tank is toward the front of the tank, so long 700' sand hillclimbs would give the Prairie enough time to suck the float bowls dry, and it would run out of gas just feet below the top of the climb, even though you had half a tank of gas. I hated that about the Prairie .
Posted by: DesertViper
I really like the Grizzly 700. The best thing about it is the new engine and transmission. Our dealers mechanic tells me the 686cc engine from the new Raptor is an entirely new engine compared to the 660cc engine from the old Raptor. There is esentially no vibration from the new engine, and it is also a lot quieter, both in regards to engine noise, and exhaust noise. The first thing I noticed riding the new Grizz was that it was so quiet and so smooth. It really feels like a quality piece of equipment when you are riding it.
The second best thing about the new Grizzly is how solid and well planted it feels. Yamaha really lowered the center of gravity, by moving most of the heavy items lower. The shocks were moved from the upper a-arms to the lower a-arms, the engine was moved lower in the frame, and laid down flatter, and the gas tank was moved below the seat. All of that makes the Grizzly feel rock solid in turns and on off-cambers. And the good handling habits get even better with a quality set of aftermarket tires and wheels.
The next best thing is the power steering, and how well the whole package works together. Everything about the new Grizzly works well, and makes riding what I used to consider technally challenging terrain effortless. Its nice to be able to relax and enjoy the scenery, and not be bothered by difficult steering when in low-lock, not be bothered by annoying vibration, and not be bothered by noise. The longer your ride, the better the Grizzly feels.
The only thing I don't particularly care for on the Grizzly is the suspension, which is over damped in my opinion, and too stiff. The suspension may break in with more miles on it though, and I'm certain the front suspension would feel better with a winch installed.
We now return you to your previously scheduled discussion.
Posted by: workhorse
Hello.
Call it a local or even a Canadian way of doing things.
When some one get's a new machine they usualy get some one to follow them to see if the new machine works.
If something starts to go wrong the follow rider stops the person on the new machine before anything get's worse.
Some even use video cameras, rarely though
Call it paranoid, or just common sense that up here in the north if you get stuck , help is very far away.
I supose you can say we have "lemon paranoia". Well better safe than sorry.
I have two kawa bayous and love them. I was intendding to buy a BF. However the FD lockers were/are faulty, reverse gear needs work as well.
As for your bf's motor head blowing you could also have had water in your fuel. However I believe you had contamination in the cooling system, blocking the oil flow. The kawas bayous do this as well.
It could have been residual metal, or a bad oil filter. Foriegn particles ended up stalling the valves or preventing the valves from closing properly.
Bad oil (it happens), sludge of another kind..
Best of luck.
Posted by: Toyeboy
Why are you Kawi owners sticking up for Kawasaki so much?? If someone came on the Suzuki forum and said this happened to their King I'd show sympathy instead of anger.
He has a right to be mad IMO b/c if this happened to me after 1 hr and the dealership/Kawasaki didn't replace the motor or buy it back that just wouldn't be right...if they want to charge that much for their ATV, then they should be willing to do whatever you want them to do out of kindness for your business...b/c 1 hour of riding is NOTHING that's still practically brandnew.
Every brand has their lemons true, but a motor needing a rebuild after an hour is beyond a lemon. This makes me rethink Kawasaki a bit b/c someone else said this happened to them as well earlier in this thread.
Posted by: JDQuadRider
You should get a brand new motor (complete) at the very least at the manufacturer's expense. Baseballroxmasox is missing the point. You shouldn't have to clean metal shavings out of a motor after an hour of use regardless of how easy it is to do. Kawasaki deserves to be bashed if that story is true. If I bought a new car and it was delivered with a big pile of poop on the driver's seat, I'd demand a different car. It might be easy to clean the seat off but I don't want it at that point.
Posted by: rpxr400
I have to agree with the others here - all manufacturers have lemons. Personally can vouch for Kawasaki builds.
I have 2 Kawi ATVs - BF650 and KFX400, I have two friends with BF750s, one with a P360, and another with a KFX400.
No problems here.
Posted by: Baseballroxmasox
Well, Kawa never did that to me. Just don't come around here bashing kawa for your problem. They didn't do it on purpose. Yeah, I would be pissed too if I bought a brand new brute, but it is not the end of the world. They will fix the problem. It isn't that hard to take the bottem end apart and get the metal shaving out..... I would do it for you for free if I still lived in Georgia!!
Z
Posted by: Baseballroxmasox
I said, yes I would be mad. But just like I said.... don't bash kaw.... I dunno if you are giving us the whole story. If you have only used it for one hour, you should have a FULL coverage warranty of everything for like, the first 30days. Thats what they gave me when I went and got my praire. And like you said (RO) said.... call the rep and they should help you out. They want you to be 100% Satisfied. Thanks for making me feel like a complete dick btw. I said don't bash kaw... bash the people who are being idiots at the situation!!! Like the people who "laughed" at you.
Posted by: Baseballroxmasox
Very well said.
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Posted by: Baseballroxmasox
I have an idea for you.... dunno if you've considered it yet. Why don't you just get the top end rebuilt by Kaw. for free, then go to a dirtbike/atv mechanic and pay them to fix it. Hell of a lot cheaper than going to court. JMO
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Posted by: 4FITTY
I happen to think they are big piles of crap. I sold mine with only 300 miles on it
Posted by: trvman
if i were you i might try the dealer he should be going to kawi and doing the fight you might even try leaving shavings in the oil and take it back when the whole thing blows!
Posted by: squeege
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Originally posted by: 700vtwinman
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Originally posted by: J0NJON
I completely agree with what RO has to say. If anyone on here knows me, they know i stick up for Polaris. I had alot of posts on my other name (JJonJon).. But anyway, like toyeboy said, no matter what brand, if this happens to anyone they have a right to rant on about anything they want to. Man, i may have handled your situation in a slightly different manner, but for the most part, i would've done what you did. And i would have been one pi$$ed mother f'er if this happend to me. Kawi guys this is not one of the type of posts to stick up for Kawi and try and be brand loyal. I mean, my god, its common sense to know that every brand, now a'days especially, makes good quads, and we all know theres plenty of people that have never had a problem out of their quads, like me (Polaris 700) but when something like this happens, he/she has a right to be pi$$ed.
RO.. I feel for you man. However, i think you need to take that chance on trying to get a lawyer.. Unless something else has already happend for you. It may work, and i think its the best chance you got. Anyway, i hope you get your money, and a good dependable quad back. Good luck with all your troubles..
I would share how my '04 Sportsman 500 Mossy Oak got "stolen" at the dealer, and they werent going to do anything about it lol... But i "MADE" sure everything went the way it was supposed to about that. And all went well....
You are wrong! I will stick up for what I have experienced with my kawies. A bf750, prairie700, prairie360, and kawie 3000 mule (1998 model) and none of them have had any problems other than changing out the muffler on the mule, which after 7 years of use, that is to be expected. I think the point you guys are missing is when he started this thread, he attacked kawie and all bf quads by saying, "The brute force LEMON!!!!!!!" and other statements instead of being angry at the dealer. Yes it is a big hassel when a new quad has problems, but based on all he has said, it is his local dealer. And we all know that kawie doesn't own dealers, they give the dealers the right to sell their product. The dealer can be a butt head or not, but it is the dealers choice to do so. Why not start the thread like, "BF problems - dealer sucks?" That way, we know he is not attacking kawie, but the dealer.
And, as far as backing "american", polaris is in partnership with TMK and several of polaris motors are fugi, which is Japaneese. So, don't start with that cr4p. There is nothing now days that you can buy that is trully american. We are now a vegatable soup of companies that are all intertwined together. And, why should I try to be faithfull to a company when they all souly out to protect the share holders money and make as much as possible? Let me see, I'm a chemist for a research lab for SHELL and we now have all our computer support in India. That is b/c SHELL wanted to save more money, and thus took the jobs away from americans. It didn't matter if you bought SHELL gasoline or not, they would still do it. I am not loyal to any brand, but I will put my hard earned money to the company with the best quality at the lowest price. B/C you see, ultimately in the end, we are all on our own. You might think today you have a great job, but tomorrow that american company moves overseas to make a bigger profit, thus laying you off. Be loyal....go a head, but this country changed not b/c consumers wanted forgien products, but b/c of free trade and american companies becoming more greedy that they go at all cost to get their money, no matter if we are loyal to them.
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Posted by: ncriderforks
There is a dealer in South Dakota who is building 2-3 750 engines a week. They burn oil and when they get low the pickup doesn't deliver enough oil preasure and its causeing failure. The bad thing is is if it is just a little over full it runs out the vent lines and into the airbox. So if you own a BF 750 keep an eye on the oil level.
Posted by: ncriderforks
I'm not saying they do from personal experience. Came from a kawi rep and a dealer that I know. I'm a polaris guy myself(nothing against any other brand, We all got issues) and a test crew from Polaris just had an 06 BF burn up while doing machine evaluation in that area. Took it to a dealer and they told them all he had seen. (said somewhere in the 5-7% range of sold units.) It only had 400 miles on it. Don't get me wrong, the brute is a beast. It is a tough machine and a power house on the trails. I would consider one if I was looking for a new one.
Posted by: mykool61679
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Originally posted by: Baseballroxmasox
I said, yes I would be mad. But just like I said.... don't bash kaw.... I dunno if you are giving us the whole story. If you have only used it for one hour, you should have a FULL coverage warranty of everything for like, the first 30days. Thats what they gave me when I went and got my praire. And like you said (RO) said.... call the rep and they should help you out. They want you to be 100% Satisfied. Thanks for making me feel like a complete dick btw. I said don't bash kaw... bash the people who are being idiots at the situation!!! Like the people who "laughed" at you.
this the only reason i still stick with honda! this guy has every reason in the world to bash who ever sold him this piece"o"$hit. i dont know bout all you boys but 7 or 8 grand is a heck of a lot of money! how can you justify fixing it but not fix what the problem caused, metal shaving! im a loyal honda man but they do have there faults such as no locker, but you kawa guys are wrong, he has every right to bash em! bash on!
Posted by: mykool61679
id love to have a locker but i will take dependabilaty any day!but i saw a silver bf and it looked sweet! just that i would be pissed if this happened to me.
Posted by: bigike
you america haters are retarded, just buy what you want vote for who you want and shut up. You live i the greatest nation EVER! Quit complaining and MAN THE HECK UP! and the liberty is built in Osceola Wisconsin. also, if the guy has a problem he has the right to comlpain about it and find a fix to, get off his a$#. MAN UP, DANG.
latter yall
jay
My engine is a fuji engine
Posted by: bigike
Ok now I'm gonna cry as we all sing cumbaya! lol Talking bought jobs, i love mine but im a field mechanic for Fairbanks Morse Engine, and work 7/12's or god knows how many hours! and spent 250-300 days on the road. I'm in kansas now, GOD i miss my quad!
Posted by: J0NJON
I completely agree with what RO has to say. If anyone on here knows me, they know i stick up for Polaris. I had alot of posts on my other name (JJonJon).. But anyway, like toyeboy said, no matter what brand, if this happens to anyone they have a right to rant on about anything they want to. Man, i may have handled your situation in a slightly different manner, but for the most part, i would've done what you did. And i would have been one pi$$ed mother f'er if this happend to me. Kawi guys this is not one of the type of posts to stick up for Kawi and try and be brand loyal. I mean, my god, its common sense to know that every brand, now a'days especially, makes good quads, and we all know theres plenty of people that have never had a problem out of their quads, like me (Polaris 700) but when something like this happens, he/she has a right to be pi$$ed.
RO.. I feel for you man. However, i think you need to take that chance on trying to get a lawyer.. Unless something else has already happend for you. It may work, and i think its the best chance you got. Anyway, i hope you get your money, and a good dependable quad back. Good luck with all your troubles..
I would share how my '04 Sportsman 500 Mossy Oak got "stolen" at the dealer, and they werent going to do anything about it lol... But i "MADE" sure everything went the way it was supposed to about that. And all went well....
Posted by: J0NJON
700vtwinman, i also think that was a great post as well, but it seems like you got completely wounded up and got WAYYYY of subject. Never once did i say anything about Kawasaki not being reliable. And not once did i say or brag in anyway a/b Polaris being American.. All i said was that i'll stick up for Polaris b/c i've had two of their products, pushed them about as hard as they can be pushed, and have never had one thing go wrong with them in over 2400 miles. Kindof like what you're doing for Kawasaki.. Its common sense to know that every brand has lemons and i think everyone also knows that every manufactuer now'days builds reliable solid quads. So there was really no need in stating something thats already known... But you went off talking about your job and SHELL and how the world is full of greed.... where did that come from? My whole entire post meant that every brand has lemons and we all know that. And whenever this type of situation happens, i think the person it happens to has all the right in the world to complain. Personally, i never really recognized that he was attacking Kawasaki. Just that particular quad he was sold and the dealer.
Posted by: ATVHades
RO,
Tell us the whole story behind your quad? The whole truth even if you did something by mistake. I don't buy your story anymore. How about a nice suggestion, stop your rant here because it is not going to do you any good. The very next step you should be doing is checking out the lemon laws in your state and go hire an attorney since you had no problem paying $8,000 cash for your new quad. I am sorry to be blunt, your rant isn't adding up.
Here is what I think happened to the quad.
1) Improper break in
2) Carb got mud or water in the air box
3) Super cheap 87 oct gas
4) Dealership mechanics made some mistakes
5) Assembly error at the factory or broken/cracked ring parts/valve parts
These are the only thing I can think how a new engine went retard. If you truly got a lemon then Kawasaki would have replaced it with no question. Something in my guts tells me someone screwed up or the dealership is passing the bucket for their own mistakes. Call a lawyer and fork over the fees if your state laws allow you to sue for the return of fund or a full replacement. Most state lemon laws only allow you a new replacement of the same product. Try to make your life a little easier; you are stuck with the Kawasaki Brute Force either way unless you decide to sell it to a private owner with a loss. Sorry for the rant here....the internet is not your friend when it comes to rants such as this. There have been a few people that have offered you nice suggestions on how to handle the problem you are experiencing with your quad. Ro, sorry for the rant here as well. I just don't think you understand what people are trying to tell you how to handle the problem and you just continue to rant away. Your story will and does not convince people to look elsewhere instead of Kawasaki quads. You may think you are looking out for people by posting all these Kawasaki lemon rants all over the internet.
Posted by: ATVHades
Ro,
If I spent $8,000 cash on a new quad and it turned out to be a lemon with the dealership having more than 30 days of ownership of the new quad. I personally would sue for a new quad and countersue to recover attorney fees. I would not settle on a, "Fixed Lemon with one hour of life".
Posted by: ATVHades
RO,
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2006 brute force, last one on the lot, picked up with 10miles on it, ran it 8 miles(flat gound gravel road) excessive backfiring, it's still in the shop.
10 miles when you picked it up new? Sorry to break it...you didn't buy new you purchased USED. Please don't take me the wrong way. The dealership that had the morals to sell you a USED quad under the disguise of NEW should be placed on the black list and not be selling. I feel sorry for you man and all the troubles you are dealing with. Hell, I would have done the deal for you if I was in Georgia. It appears to be one of these things, "well I see now and I would have done something else". Life doesn't always work in our favor. The sad part is that the quad already had 10 miles on it. 10 miles of who knows what kind of life it went thur? Should have stayed away from that quad and went across the state to pick up the other Brute Force with zero miles...and new.
I purchased my Brute Force for $6700 out the door brand new. The dealership took a lost on this deal and almost walked away from me...they decided to win my business for future work and purchases such as helmet/other accessories.
Posted by: ATVHades
squeege,
So true about American companies being full of greed. No wonder we have a bunch of problems in this country. American companies can export the labor for so long until the Average American can't afford a Quad. Alot of these scenarios are coming reality.
Posted by: RO
Kawasaki builds lemons, I now own a brute force (Brand New!) USED 1hr that went to the shop cause it was backfiring, that has the whole top end of the motor out of it. The top of the piston and head look like a beaver chewed on it! Called kawa blew me off, told me they will fix the atv (whatever parts are broken) not the metal shavings that have made it to the bottom of the motor!!!!!!!!!!! That is all they are willing to do! My personal mission is now to make sure that Kawa has a hard time selling, since they do not stand behind there products(which the nice gentalmen on the phone who laughed at me becuase I asked him to extend the motor warranty)said we do stand behind it, were fixing it! I made the mistake of saying it's brand new take it back or give me my money back(more laughter)!
Posted by: RO
You know there is always someone who is going to step up, and say don't bash this company! but until you are the one with 1hr of ,and close to $7000.00 out of pocket, it's kind of hard to feel the same way!!!!!! If there is anyone who knows the local rep, or his email address can they please post it (becuase you would think he would want to make it right)
Posted by: RO
Thanks for the reply(please check out the kawa thread I'm getting bashed as we speak) I'm no longer going to reply, but I wanted to warn others. Kawa said new motor no, extended warranty on motor no, anything at all no, and I asked really nice!!!!!!!!! Then I didn't ask nice anymore so I wouldn't be a pushover and they said were going to end the phone conversation.
Posted by: RO
Man to get a lawyer involved is going to cost $1500.00 plus, the juice ain't worth the squeeze(And Kawa, Dealership all know this!). I' m to damn old to ride this thing hard enough to hurt it!, used 93octane read the manual on the way home cuase it was purchased as a gift across the state on vacation. Grew up running outboards know all about the break-in period read it in the manual! Basically did everything right, and it went real bad for me.(cry me a river I know). It blew when they were working on it, had it a total of two days at the house before it got put in the shop, it's been there for about a month. All I want is if someone has got the regional reps #to please post it, KAWA said will fix what is broken and that's it. The dealer across the state, finally got the owner to start calling the manufacture(after I convinced him he should fight for me thanks desertviper for the advice)will see what happens. Everyone who knows me, knows I'm a stand up man. I have never had problems like this with anything before, and hope none of ya'll ever do. I have been on the phone for about 4hrs today trying to resolve this issue and let me give everyone advice, the louder you get the more you get done(and I truly hate being that way).
Posted by: RO
ATV HADES I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT I SHOULD SUE, BUT WITH SOME GREAT ADVICE FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE COURTS HERE, YOU CANNOT SUE FOR LEGAL COSTS AND COURT COSTS! So an attorney plus court costs will add up and there is nothing to say you will win. Kawa and the dealership know to a certain degree they have got me by the balls! I told them I did my part, gave them my money, and they gave me a faulty product! I am in no way asking for special treatment, just somthing in return for what I'm out here. I am going to have a hard time trusting this atv after they repair it, or selling it I'll take $6200.00 for it right now, watch people avoid this one like the plague. Even the boys at the local service shop told me to a tee, what kawa was going to do, and to hold on cause I was in for it, the afternoon I found out it was so major. Called Kawa, we will repair your product under are warranty, they will not replace atv's, motor's etc. just the parts that are broken. You go out the door with it, it's yours, no matter if it's got an hour or tenhrs on it!BECUASE IT WAS A GIFT I DID NOT PICK DEALER, I WISH IT WAS A DIFFERENT SCENARIO. So long story short, I am sure there has been a ton of people with a high success rate with kawa, all I am saying is if you have to call on them, it's like turning the light on in a 3dollar motel, watch'em scatter, AND THERE BIGGEST ARGUMENT IS WE DO STAND BEHIND OUR PRODUCTS WERE FIXING IT!, MY REPLY MAN, I USED IT FOR ONE HOUR!
Posted by: RO
Thanks to everyone for the good advice, I realize that atv's all are machines and machines break, for those of you who think I should sue or document, send letters, all of that has been done. I haven't thrown up my hands I've done all I can do besides, getting a lawyer involved which will mean more money out of pocket. I've started out pleading, begging, and everything in between. NOW I am wasting a sat day sitting at the house waiting for the dealer's owner across the state to give me a ring. You can try to call Kawa but they won't let you talk to the boss, won't hand out reps numbers, or basically take any action, other than fixing what broke after 1hr. If anyone else thinks that I've been telling a story or sitting on my hands or not taking advice from previous comments YOU can personally call.....
Xtreme powersports columbus,ga ......(these are the only guys doing anything so far, and it even wasn't purchased there)everyone down there is standup and will tell you the machine is brand new, and this is a manufacture problem.p.s.ext3
Beasley Kawasaki in savannah,ga...... (this is were it was sold to me as a gift)CASH.
Kawasaki inc.(949)460-5688 I spoke to mark, wouldn't give me his last name(not so nice of a person)
He feels his company is a standup company, and that fixing what is broke is the right thing to do.
Area rep to date, still don't know name,number,etc. but I doubt he's going to do anything.
Although I have been accused of ranting, etc. It's true I have been venting, I am now going to stop.
I hope that all the (keep the good times rolling crowd) has better luck than I do! If everyone here unloaded there atv, with the new on it and drove down a road at there hunting club and heard a trail of backfire, I believe they would rant and rave about a jacked up machine.(STILL IN SHOP) looks great camo and everything, the skins are laying around like wallpaper! I hope for all the haters out there, that you end up with a mchine like this one day it will sure change your attitude! Good luck to everyone, call Kawa get there side of things!! I'm sure it will not be the truth! Bottom line you can sue take all the time in the world threaten etc, THEY ARE ONLY GOING TO DO WHAT IS STANDARD POLICY!!!!! They are a MAJOR manufacture, and they can push the little guy around all they want to, and they know it!
Posted by: RO
One more thing, Honda's the three I've owned previously
1987 Fourtrax bought second hand on last leg ran it for years no problems
1997 honda recon ran it for years no problems
2005 honda rancher 398 miles no problems
2006 brute force, last one on the lot, picked up with 10miles on it, ran it 8 miles(flat gound gravel road) excessive backfiring, it's still in the shop.
I would personally settle for old tech, no locker, etc. If I could have a machine that ran right now!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: RO
Baseball you are very right!!!!!! It is cheaper to not go to court!
Posted by: RO
Last and final update, when I purchased it it did have 10miles on it but it was last years model, They told me it was from riding back and forth to display out front. Just got of the phone with dealer, Here is what kawa has done extended the warranty one year, replaced whatever parts were broken, not a new engine. I will let everone know how it rides etc. Whenever I get it back! If there is anyone out there who wants to buy it.........
65Oi Brute Force(with a little Warranty work)
extended warranty, camo
$6200.00 cash
6hs
26miles dealer has been moving it testing etc.
I think I hear crickets, were is the team green?
Posted by: RO
Thanks desertviper I still am not going to get my machine back for a week or two, I definitley didn't get what I wanted new motor, money back, new one, etc. but this is how they operate. And yes I never said they weren't going to flush it, but last tme I checked motors have a lot of areas for metal shavings to hold up in, and just replacing the top end ain't a 100%. (IN FACT THE MECHANIC TOLD ME TO CHANGE THE OIL IN IT AFTER EACH TANK OF GAS AT LEAST TWICE!) I think I might have run into some people on here, that are on Kawa payroll! You will see were I am open to the fact that every MANUFACTURE kawa, honda, etc, has built it's share of lemons. I was just pissed at Kawa for the way they handled it, basically pissed becuase, for the haters again, I now have a machine that has a major engine overhaul that I've ridden 8miles or so! I think everyone would do a little bashing!
Posted by: RO
Man I would hate to think this is what america is coming to! When we settle for a foriegn company coming over here, and buying there products and people want to stick up for them, cause there creaming over paying a ton of money, for a product that they sell us, cuase were worried about a label. If my experience was 1 of 1000 I'ts 1 and this company manufactures locomotives, etc.? If this is all they think of us as a consumer than 1 of 1000 should'nt be a big deal to them. (to do more)One thing I've learned form hearing all the posts here, I am not willing to lay down as much, think god for people like me who think this kind of service sucks, or who knows were we are headed,(Canada), My god could you think of okay let's break out the camcorder, and record the first 10miles to make sure we don't have a lemon??????(as posted earlier the OLD CANADIAN WAYS OF DOING THINGS?????'what the?????) I hope with all of my heart I end up with a great atv and I'm ranting about how great it is and creaming in my shorts, like the rest of the haters but damn man, The only reason I'm telling ya'll all this cuase it could happen to you, and I'm still getting slamed.(your losing your sympathetic audience?????) I called your bluff gave you the places of all the people and names I'm dealing with and ya'll are still defending, I guess my level of what service is, and yours are different to the haters.
Posted by: RO
700vtwin man have you been sniffin to many chemicals down there at Shell????LOL, no seriously man, I could see were you have a right to feel loyalty to Kawie, you've had great success with them! You stated that I started bashing the company by starting this thred, The Brute Force Lemon!!!!!, If I was bashing Kawie I would have said All brute forces are lemons!!!!! Instead I stated that I was open to although Kawie builds lemons, every company has it's share. I did my homework on the net, and listened to the public and just ended up with a bad one @&#$^. Yes I did mess up, by going with a dealer across the state that I did'nt know,(it was bought on vacation AS A GIFT) but I don't think any dealer would have replaced this thing!!! I did not get what I wanted which was a solid quad and for the most part everyone has pretty much understood!!!! I've basically been open to the fact that I made a couple of mistakes, but everything anyone has said about Kawie, you've been right there standing up for them. Be open to the fact that Kawie could have sent a rep out, channeled this phone call up to the top, talked to the dealer etc. (DONE A LOT MORE) I personally had to talk to the owner across the state and get him to fight for me, ended up with an extra year warranty. I personally don't think that's enough, but that is what I'm getting.(UNLESS I GO TO COURT, THEN I COULD GET NOTHING, I THINK KAWIE AND THE DEALERS POCKETS RUN A LITTLE DEEPER THAN MINE)
"Can you feel that V-TWIN power???" (NOT REALLY)
Posted by: RO
700vtwin don't worry about it, we have all been there. I work in cardiology(hence, the lack of spelling etc.) so I have some idea of what stress is as well! I just had a 4hr ride home looking at this thing in the back of truck, dreaming about how bad this thing was going to be, and then of course everyone knows etc. The only thing I've been crying about is how Know one the dealer, Kawie etc. stood up, they all started running for the hills when I wanted somthing for my troubles! Can you imagine me looking at a patient on the table and saying not my fault? I will make a promise to everyone who reads this!, if I get this thing back and it's everything I've read it can be I'll bore you with all the nasty details! RO!
Posted by: RO
Okay got my brute back and have rode it 5 or miles so the questions I have?
1. Normal to whine a little when you let off?
2. On downhill to pop a little letting off the gas?
3. loose center caps, do they make an aftermarket center cap for stock rims?
Posted by: RO
Thanks monty, the small popping when I let of it is really going away, what do I search on ebay to pull up the centercaps(thanks for the silcone trick!)
Posted by: RO
Thanks monty for the advice.
Posted by: RO
That's typical if you are from south of the mason dixon line they will give you 18months, north they will give you 48months! The two things I learned from this, be careful about who you buy from, somone posted, shop the dealer, not the quad, very true!!! Second people are so brand concious they won't tollerate any negativity about a brand EVEN IF IT'S TRUE!!!! The good thing is I rode it finally about 15miles today and it finally seems solid!!! Last to my buddy in california(KAWA REP) You know who you are, I told you I had posted here, IF YOU ARE EVER IN GA LOOK ME UP!!!!
Posted by: RO
Monty Thanks for the advice need a little more! I have the 06 650i opened the throttle today, should it stand up and wheelie stock? It doesn't, it's fast as @$%#. Just wanted to make sure it was doing what it supposed too.
Posted by: SlyCulprit
I'm surprised the Kawi rep mistreated you... As far as the lemon thing goes, it happens, every company in the world will have an occasional lemon, the difference in whether you stay a customer or not is how they handle your particular case. Me personally, Kawi offered me an additional 48 months on my machine because it too back fired out of the gate.
