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Posted by: wanabe
I&39;d like to get a big bore 4 x4 and from what I&39;ve read as far trails and recreational riding I can&39;t go wrong with any choice. What I haven&39;t seen is how well these 4 would hold up working. I say 4 due to I&39;m looking at both the 650 and 800 outlander. I don&39;t need more than a 500 probably, but the child in me thinks why not go big. Right now I think I would lean towards the outlanders. 3 year warranty and a dealer is 5 miles away. The closest Yamaha is 15 miles and Honda is 41. Is there anyone out there who pulls with there machine and works it? From time to time?
Posted by: wanabe
Thanks for the input on the machines. I kind figured the Rincon may have a problem pulling due to the trans is like a car. I had no idea how the belt drive machines would hold up. I know people with belt autos, but they only ride, they don&39;t work those machines at all.
Unfortunately as far as a dealer I&39;m starting from scratch. The dealer my family and most of the friends have been dealing with since 1986 the manager/owner died a few years ago. He couldn&39;t have been more than 45 at the time. Now I don&39;t know who is calling the shots but boy has it changed. The service guy is a fat lazy slob, who looks like he just got out of bed. I have a 1000cc supersport that they have always serviced. Since this guy took over service, ½ the work doesn&39;t get done. My dad&39;s rancher had 2 recalls on it and he had a hard time getting them to do the work. The 2nd recall dad actually did the work himself (replaced a shift sensor), this guy denied knowing of a recall. What sucks is this place carries Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, Sea-doo, and a few other brands.
I don&39;t know anyone other than my few friends with Polaris ATV&39;s that hasn&39;t purchased from this dealer. None of us have really been happy with the place the last few years. So I will probably be the 1st to go somewhere other than this dealer.
Anyone with a recommendation on a dealer in central New York?
Posted by: Mdog
I move a 3500lb boat around my property with no problems. Going down my steep driveway with that boat make your brakes useless, thank god for the EBS, I put it in low and crawl down without the use of brakes. The Outty IMO has by far the best EBS system but you will need skids if you are doing rock crawling.
Posted by: CaptainQuint
When I was trying out the Outlander 800 on my farm after the trail riding and of course the playing around with all of that power what struck me was how much work I could do with it. I tossed a bunch of sacks of weight on it and drove it around the trails and was pleased at how it did. I was also really impressed when I hooked up a couple of different trailers with rocks and firewood and hauled them around the place. Plenty of power and it handled them with no problems. One of them especially is a really crappy ATV trailer that has heavy tongue weight and isn't balanced correctly and frankly is about ready to fall apart and it dragged it all over the woods with a load of rocks like there was nothing back there. Excellent all around machine that had loads of power and handled great. One of the things that impressed me most was it's potential work ability which probably not something most prospective Outlander test riders considered.
I've never had a Rincon here since it doesn't have a low range or a locker so it's not something I'd have any use for.
I'd love to try out a new Grizzly on the farm if I get the chance. The old one was a fine machine. I really liked it, very comfortable and did everything well.
Posted by: CaptainQuint
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Originally posted by: v2rider
The outty has the power to be a work horse, but it needs work on the frame, and body so it doesnt fall apart. Thats what i hear anyway
Yeah you have to put skid plates on them especially if you're going to ride them on rocks and the like.
Posted by: Catterman
I tow a lot with my ATV, and it is IRS. I can haul my heavy two place snowmobile trailer with both sleds on it around and it dosen't squat much. You can adjust the suspension to make it hard or soft, and this works out great. Plus I have a 2" receiver hitch that really does a great job at distributing the weight. With you choices there, I would think the Grizzly would be the best, but all will do the job. Good luck.
Posted by: Catterman
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Originally posted by: Gamer
as my dad used to say, "Son, did you every wish your d**k was smaller."
Posted by: easygo
I totally agree on going with the dealer that is willing to help. I was looking for a work quad 2 years ago and bought from a guy 30 miles away. He was not trying to talk me into buying the most expensive machine and was very helpful answering all my questions. I ended up with a Foreman 450S and am very happy with it. I thought about buying a Suzuki but a dealer was a slimebag. I use my quad for work only and that was the primary concideration for me too. Tow a trailer, pull out firewood, plow snow. Got a lot of good ideas from guys on this board too. I think just about any of the machines will do most of the work, but BE CAREFUL to get on e with LOW!!!! gearing.
good luck
Posted by: DesertViper
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Originally posted by: v2rider
I think in the same cc range, or close to it, any quad will work as good as the next one.
Actually, the Rincon is not as good. We've owned a Rincon, and a total of four Grizzlys to date, and the Grizzlys tow significantly better. We don't have a farm, or pull a swather with an ATV, but we do go ATVing pretty much every weekend. And every once in a while on a group ride you have to tow a broken down quad back to the truck. Its never been my quad getting towed back, but I have done the towing a few times, and the Rincon really struggled towing a busted down Sporstman across mountain goat trails. There was even a hill that the Rincon could NOT do, and we had to hook another quad in front of the Rincon to form a train of quads pulling the Sportsman. And it wasn't a lack of traction that stopped the Rincon, it just did not have enough power to even turn the tires. The Rincon is simply geared too high, has no low range, and the torque converter makes way too much heat when under a constant heavy load. For sure you need to plan on changing the oil after making a Rincon work. In comparison, the Grizzly just grunts a little harder and does the job.
Posted by: JDQuadRider
Usually, when I look for a quad primarily to work, I look at the ones with a solid rear axle. The IRS quads are probably fine but the backends tend to squat more noticeably when towing. Although, this isn't a problem if you stay within the recommended towing limits for your machine. The Honda Foremans/Rubicons along with the Suzuki Vinsons are some of the few still shipped with solid rear axles.
Posted by: JDQuadRider
While I have never ridden an Outty, I can't imagine it having any better EBS than the Honda Rubicon. The Rubicon is 2nd to none in that category.
Posted by: Gamer
Wannabe,
Well, I'm one of the few with the machines you are considering - a 650 (happens to be an AC V2) and Can-Am 800 Max. I like them both, but for different reasons. The AC is a real work horse and I'll put it's working ability and features against ANY machine out there for that intended purpose. The V2 is faster than the H1, the the H1 has better torque for towing, and slow grunt. The H1's durmatic auto transmission is VERY durable also which suits towing as well.
The Outty is much more comfortable, is fast, but when I need to pull something I use the AC. If I had to do over, I'd probably buy the 650 since it is so close to the 800 in power - naw, I wouldn't. It's a guy thing or as my dad used to say, "Son, did you every wish your d**k was smaller."
If you EVER ride two-up, I'd offer you at least consider a 2-up machine, regardless of make. Buying the max over the standard Outty was one of my better decisions. There is very little loss of maunervability with the longer wheelbase. Most two-up machines also have the ability to add a "box" from the mfgr for small hauling jobs although I don't have one for my Outty. The Outty is expensive so shop the internet for a better deal. I got $1000 off by doing so.
I have a three-year warranty on both machines, although it's my understanding those warranties have been reduced to two years now. It was a promotional when I bought mine. The first six months are through the factory and the remainder is by a contracted insurance company with a $50 deductable, although the work is still done through the dealer.
I'd offer that a dealer with a good reputation is worth more than the brand you buy if you are undecided between two brands. Personally I'd drive a 100 miles for a dealer willing to help me, and wouldn't go across the street for one that wouldn't - even for the same make.
Posted by: squeege
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Originally posted by: JDQuadRider
Usually, when I look for a quad primarily to work, I look at the ones with a solid rear axle. The IRS quads are probably fine but the backends tend to squat more noticeably when towing. Although, this isn't a problem if you stay within the recommended towing limits for your machine. The Honda Foremans/Rubicons along with the Suzuki Vinsons are some of the few still shipped with solid rear axles.
I would think a grizzly could out work a vinson....my 2cents
Posted by: squeege
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Originally posted by: v2rider
People are always towing sportsmans around jk
LOL
Posted by: v2rider
I think in the same cc range, or close to it, any quad will work as good as the next one. It just depends on what you do with it, and personal preference. They will all hold up fine, but you have different accessories, and advantages on one vs the other. examples..... Solid axle vs irs, 2" reciever vs other, strong metal racks vs plastic, speedrack on AC vs others you just have to look around at what your planning on doing with it. Good Luck
Posted by: v2rider
People are always towing sportsmans around jk
Posted by: v2rider
The outty has the power to be a work horse, but it needs work on the frame, and body so it doesnt fall apart. Thats what i hear anyway
Posted by: acpower
every year at the 4wheeler pull i go to an arctic cat wins. this year it happened to be a 650 V2. i know arctic cat are a powerhouse, great trail machine, best ground clearance, best rack versatility, strongest atv you can buy.
