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Posted by: stendori
the sportsman will give you a better ride.
Posted by: stendori
well thats a real good reason to buy one. because your not a fan of the other. lol
Posted by: stendori
most of them are.
Posted by: stendori
i agree 100% w/ every deal tail of your post. very well stated, and i'll leave it at that.
Posted by: Catterman
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Originally posted by: rtboy
Well for the AC atv I don't like them because I rode my buddy's AC and the suspenson was hard as a rock and the sterring was hard. I don't know if its his atv but he has an 06 AC 500LE.
His shocks were set on the stiffest setting. The Arctic Cat shocks are super easy to adjust and with a few clicks the ride can be super smooth.
The steering issue is his tires, AC uses the crappiest and cheapest tires around.
Posted by: Catterman
Speaking of pissing contests, I once peed for 2:17 without stopping, NO JOKE. BR>
And yes, I used to time all my pees to see if I could brake my own records...
Posted by: Catterman
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Originally posted by: xFreebirdx
Funny how every topic turns into an argument lately. hr>
Shutup FB, no it doesn't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Catterman
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Originally posted by: Fireslayer
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Originally posted by: xFreebirdx
Funny how every topic turns into an argument lately. hr>
xFBx, It ain't arguments man, it's "pissing contests" and Catterman's got the record so far at 2 hours and seventeen minutes, so shutup and get to drinkingLOL Can't ROFL or I'll wet my pants!!!
Yah, now try and beat me FB!
Posted by: Catterman
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Originally posted by: Fireslayer
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Originally posted by: screwARCTICCAT
1.Yamaha Grizzly 700EFI
2.Cam-Am Outlander 800EFI
3.Polaris Sportsmen 800EFI
Come-on man, don't hold back! Tell us how you really feel about Artic Cat!!!
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Posted by: Catterman
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Originally posted by: Grumpy2
Like a lot of other people, if I want a Suzuki powered machine I'll buy Suzuki. If I want a 650 Kawasaki powered machine then I'll get Brute Force. Not a knock off.
Suzuki owns almost 45% of Arctic Cat. There is no way Suzuki would allow Arctic Cat to just build a "knock off" machine. Suzuki has made the engines for the Arctic Cat snowmobiles for decades, so it is only natural that they would for the ATV's as well. Also, Suzuki is working with Arctic Cat so they can eventually build 100% of there own engines. The 650 H1 is a 100% Arctic Cat made engine and more are on the way.
Posted by: Catterman
Posted by: Catterman
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Originally posted by: Hebs
That's wierd... I thought Kawi made the AC engines... I guess Suzuki just put a Kawi rip-cord on it along with some other kawi labeled parts??
In the 650 VTwin the engine is the kawi. Cat got it through the Suzuki/Kawasaki agreement in which those two companies agreed to collaborate on some projects etc.. That deal is now over, for 2007 it is only Arctic Cat and Suzuki engines in the Arctic Cats. CLear as mud huh!
Posted by: Catterman
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Originally posted by: jasons650i
yeah and the h1 is about as fast and powerful as 500 h.o. as far as trail riding is concerned.
TOp speed you are probably right, but the H1 is WAY more powerful. I have ridden a new (2005 H.O.) and it is NOTHING in power next to the H1. But you are right, top speed on the H1 is real close to other 500's due to the gearing.
Posted by: Catterman
In 2004 there was few people with some problems, the actuator wasn't sealed good from the factory so they had to put some silicon around them. Good as gold now though.
Axels brake on every quad out there.
Posted by: bansheecraze32
Well I'll assume you are looking for a 4x4 so If money is no problem then go for a Yamaha Grizzly 660 or the new 700 EFI. Yamaha also makes a Grizzly 450 which is very nice also. You may also want to check out the Suzuki King Quad 700. I personally like my Grizzly 660 the best, But the 450 or King is a nice choice also. Those are my suggestions and I'm sure you will hear alot of differnt oppinions.
Posted by: bansheecraze32
Grizzly 660 then. Just snokel the air intake and exhaust if you plan to go deep. Get some 27's for it also. Have Fun
Posted by: bansheecraze32
Well said konaking I have been laughing at all the posts. Buy what you like I did.
Posted by: bansheecraze32
Here is the Grizz in action...... In 2wd I may add. Plenty of power
Grizzly in action
Posted by: bansheecraze32
Watch the Grizzly again
All stock besides the 29.5 tires and HMF exhaust slip only.
Posted by: Hebs
That's wierd... I thought Kawi made the AC engines... I guess Suzuki just put a Kawi rip-cord on it along with some other kawi labeled parts??
Posted by: weez440
no actuator problems here either and i guess i could snap an axle on anything by putting 29.5 inch tires on.
Posted by: montyh
what do you like to do with 'em?
monty
Posted by: speedi
the onlt thinf i don't like about a polaris is that its a polaris...which doesn't explain why my winter toy is a rmk 700...hhmmm. Anyways, their frigin HEAVY if your going through deep mud and water, whatever you do, don't get it stuck. Or you'll need a BIG winch to get out. I know somebody is going to say now, "I never get stuck with my polaris". Bull. Everybody gets stuck, and the bigger the machine the worse you get stuck, luckly thats half the fun On a side note winner of the mud nationals in 3 events... BRP 800. Just thought i'd throw that in.
Posted by: speedi
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Originally posted by: JJonJon
And no one cares. Anyway i go riding with Foreman's AC 500, Grizz's and a Kodiak 400 and what you're talking about is not true. Its not that hard to get my machine out of being stuck.. at all. Just as easy as it was when i had my rancher. So please quit making it sound MUCH worse than it is.
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2004 Polaris Sportsman 700 (Green)
'27 ITP 589 M/S Tires
on ITP Type 5 Wheels
3000 lb. Warn Winch
3-Way Headlight Mod
High Lifter Lift Kit
2004 Polaris Sportsman 500 Mossy Oak - STOLEN
2001 Honda Rancher ES 350
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sorry, i didn't mean to ofend you in any way. What i meant to say is that in my experiece, whether it be quads, snowmobiles, trucks or anything else, when you have the capability to go further, higher and deeper you always push your machine that much more. Everybody does it, again thats half the fun. And when you do push your machine, any machine, past its limits and you do get stuck, with the bigger machines you tend to get more stuck because the limits are that much higher.
Posted by: speedi
Jjonjon, its great that you love your polaris, i would too if i spent that much money on mods.
Posted by: speedi
Geting back to the main topic "which atv should i but". Remember most of the guys on this site have been riding for a while. If your new to the sport than you probably don't need to go out and buy something with 650+ cc's. A lot (not alot, thats not a word) of the 400-500 class atvs are really good. Almost everything come with IRS and the power is nothing to complain about. My dad has a suzuki vinson 500 and that machine is more than enough to plow the yard (we live on a farm, its really big) and do all of the chores its needed for and it still does 62mph. Anyways bigger isn't always better if you don't need it.
Posted by: LOANSHARK
I like to trail ride, and I've never ridden a polaris but it sounds like you wouldn't be able to slide your rear end out in a predictable manner. The way I ride you need to be able to kick your rear end out, if you can't you're gonna be way behind me or you're going to slide into the brush.
Posted by: LOANSHARK
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Originally posted by: bansheecraze32
Here is the Grizz in action...... In 2wd I may add. Plenty of power
Grizzly in action
I noticed you showed video of wheelies and mud... the Griz is a great machine for that. However in the woods with tight turns most would have trouble keeping the griz on the trail while my little 350 rancher buzzed right allong.
Posted by: JJonJon
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2004 Polaris Sportsman 700 (Green)
'27 ITP 589 M/S Tires
on ITP Type 5 Wheels
3000 lb. Warn Winch
3-Way Headlight Mod
High Lifter Lift Kit
2004 Polaris Sportsman 500 Mossy Oak - STOLEN
2001 Honda Rancher ES 350
Sold
Posted by: JJonJon
My bad about the blank post, but anyway..... I would go with the Sportsman 700EFI for a few reasons. First off, the Grizzly is a weak ATV. If you are going in deep water and mud, chances are, if you're on a Grizz, you'll be breaking axles and getting water in the belt due to the air intake being down so low.
So yeah, i could give you a ton of reasons not to buy the Grizz but i dont feel like typing them all. So ill say this. The Polaris is built with MUCH stronger components that will last. The 700EFi is the oldest and most proven EFi ATV out there. It will be in its 4th year or production for '07. The SP700EFi has So0o Much room for storage, while the Grizz has almost absolutely none. The Ride is much better on the Sportsman. Polaris has the Lock'N'Ride accessory system which gives you MANY ways to use your ATV while the Yamy doesn't. I would give the nod to the Sportsman for being better in the mud. And i hate how hard it is to steer when the diff lock is in, and i hate having to flip both levers constantly, it just gets on my nerves.
So overall, IMO, i think the Polaris is just an all around better ATV built very well. ESCPECIALLY the SP700! Its bulletproof. So good luck with you're decision, and let us know what you're leaning to.
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2004 Polaris Sportsman 700 (Green)
'27 ITP 589 M/S Tires
on ITP Type 5 Wheels
3000 lb. Warn Winch
3-Way Headlight Mod
High Lifter Lift Kit
2004 Polaris Sportsman 500 Mossy Oak - STOLEN
2001 Honda Rancher ES 350
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Posted by: JJonJon
I dont know if they're "meaner" looking than AC's... Thast an opinion. However, i LOVE the way the new Polaris's look. I love the front, i love the rear tail lights, i love the dual exhaust (800) i love the wheels that come with them. I havnt been riding enough with my friend who bought a 2006 AC 500 Manual, but ill see how that holds up. However, when he had a Grizz, 3 of our trips ended because of one of his axles. He was forced to take out the wallet and buy 4 gorilla axles, and finally he sold it and bought the AC, so ill see how long the arctic cat lasts with the way we ride... TOUGH riding :-)
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2004 Polaris Sportsman 700 (Green)
'27 ITP 589 M/S Tires
on ITP Type 5 Wheels
3000 lb. Warn Winch
3-Way Headlight Mod
High Lifter Lift Kit
2004 Polaris Sportsman 500 Mossy Oak - STOLEN
2001 Honda Rancher ES 350
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Posted by: JJonJon
And no one cares. The mud nationals are a joke. It dosent show which machine or brand has the best mud capability. 97% of all machines their are so modded so much its ridiculous to even compare them to stock, so that proves nothing about the bomb. Anyway i go riding with Foreman's AC 500, Grizz's and a Kodiak 400 and what you're talking about is not true. Its not that hard to get my machine out of being stuck.. at all. Just as easy as it was when i had my rancher. So please quit making it sound MUCH worse than it is.
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2004 Polaris Sportsman 700 (Green)
'27 ITP 589 M/S Tires
on ITP Type 5 Wheels
3000 lb. Warn Winch
3-Way Headlight Mod
High Lifter Lift Kit
2004 Polaris Sportsman 500 Mossy Oak - STOLEN
2001 Honda Rancher ES 350
Sold
Posted by: JJonJon
ugh, i tell you time and time again toyeboy, your whole opinion would be 100% different of Polaris if you would've only gotten the SP500.. that 400 is so0o0o0o0o sluggish!! i've driven my friends a few times and i literally cant believe how slow they are. And if i would've bought that as my first Polaris it would've definatly left a bad impression on me. And as i said, i really doubt anyone rides their bikes harder than me, and if you do, it cant be much harder. And i have NEVER ripped ANYTHING! .. Nothing on my machine has broke, malfunctioned, NOTHiNG.. And i dont maintenance my machine near enough as i should. And about that "real world setup".. i still dont agree with it. I use my ATV in real world scenario's almost every day. I ride with my buddie's AC500, i ride with my friends Grizz, and not only can i keep up with them in the mud, i make them look silly. I love my setup and couldnt stand stopping all the time to flip levers and push all kind of buttons. And as i've said before, i still cant notice the machine "engaging" itself whenever it wants to. Unless you specifically sit there and look for it to slip, you'll never notice. I think it is true 4wd at its best. Except for rocks. ill give the diff lock that.
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2004 Polaris Sportsman 700 (Green)
'27 ITP 589 M/S Tires
on ITP Type 5 Wheels
3000 lb. Warn Winch
3-Way Headlight Mod
High Lifter Lift Kit
2004 Polaris Sportsman 500 Mossy Oak - STOLEN
2001 Honda Rancher ES 350
Sold
Posted by: JJonJon
Very true, you didnt offend me, i just hate it when some people brag about how "their brand" won at the mud national's knowing good and well that everyone of those machines half like 5 inches of lift and 29.5 Outlaws haha.. but yeah, you copied and pasted what i said from 2 different statements..
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2004 Polaris Sportsman 700 (Green)
'27 ITP 589 M/S Tires
on ITP Type 5 Wheels
3000 lb. Warn Winch
3-Way Headlight Mod
High Lifter Lift Kit
2004 Polaris Sportsman 500 Mossy Oak - STOLEN
2001 Honda Rancher ES 350
Sold
Posted by: JJonJon
No no no. come on now. Consider this. After all my mods, after my lift, my big tires and rims and everything else, i still have the same stock axle's. And STILL not one of them has broke. And i've had this setup for almost 2 years now. And i loved my machine since day 1. If i didnt love it, i wouldnt put this much money to it. And if you think about it, i havnt really done hardly any mods. I've done no mods to my engine or anything else to give me more horsepower. I got tires and rims, a winch, and a 2 inch lift. And you cant hardly even notice the lift, so my machine is stock except for that lift. So HA....
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2004 Polaris Sportsman 700 (Green)
'27 ITP 589 M/S Tires
on ITP Type 5 Wheels
3000 lb. Warn Winch
3-Way Headlight Mod
High Lifter Lift Kit
2004 Polaris Sportsman 500 Mossy Oak - STOLEN
2001 Honda Rancher ES 350
Sold
Posted by: JJonJon
Very well put Fireslayer and very true. If someone says a Sportsman isint sporty then they obvisouly havnt ridden one. They are so easy to powerslide around corners it makes me sick. My 700 has oodles of power and when you turn that corner and floor the throttle down, it'll make the front end pick up and GO! Not wheelie's. Anyway, yeah, and some people dont consider the fact that, the Sportsman 800 weighs at like 765lbs. While its competetion weighs in at mostly 600lbs and some at 695lbs, YET the Sportsman 800 is still the fastest ATV with the exception of the Bomb800, and the Brute (and thats very arguable) So my point is, is that Polaris makes stronger/better engines IMO.. And if rumors are true, and Polaris is taking off the weight for '07, well, i wish the competition all the luck in the world. They'll need it.
Posted by: JJonJon
Toyeboy, first off, and again even the 500 compared to the 400 is a WORLD of difference in "sportyness" so if you're referring to you're '04SP400 to you're '05Kingquad700 then duh i would be gung ho Suzuki too. Second of all, i have NEVER seen a KQ beat a SP800 in a drag, ever. Second, when the SP800 and the Brute750 drag, its back and forth, both are almost completely even. And what i was trying to say about the engines was that the Brute weighs at 604lbs while the Sportsman800 weighs at 765lbs. Thats 161 lbs difference and yet the Sportsman can still beat the Brute. Thats why i say Polaris builds stronger engines. And if Polaris just takes a little weight off it will smoke everything out there. And i dont care what anyone says from NYROC's or whatever, he/they probably had an '02 Spotsman 700, that machine was horrible.
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2004 Polaris Sportsman 700 (Green)
'27 ITP 589 M/S Tires
on ITP Type 5 Wheels
3000 lb. Warn Winch
3-Way Headlight Mod
High Lifter Lift Kit
2004 Polaris Sportsman 500 Mossy Oak - STOLEN
2001 Honda Rancher ES 350
Sold
Posted by: JJonJon
Thank you V2, thats exactly what im trying to say. They're back and forth, pretty much even. AND the Sportsman has all that extra weight.
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2004 Polaris Sportsman 700 (Green)
'27 ITP 589 M/S Tires
on ITP Type 5 Wheels
3000 lb. Warn Winch
3-Way Headlight Mod
High Lifter Lift Kit
2004 Polaris Sportsman 500 Mossy Oak - STOLEN
2001 Honda Rancher ES 350
Sold
Posted by: JJonJon
Thats not true toyeboy. And you cant base one guy's expierence with a certain machine to everyone else. I love my 700. And as i've told you, i've driven the 400. And even though the frame and everything looks alike, it seems like a completely different machine MAiNLY because of power!! And no, power sliding isint "very near possible" its NOT a maybe, its a fact. I do it almost everyday i drive. I just did it about an hour ago, constantly. And of course the KQ will handle better. Its 170lbs lighter. But to say, "All they do is slap a bigger engine into the same chasis" is BullCrap. You should know the 05's and up compared to our '04s is almost a COMPLETELY different machine. And as i said, Polaris improves every year, they never stay the same for more than 2 years. Thats what i love about them.
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2004 Polaris Sportsman 700 (Green)
'27 ITP 589 M/S Tires
on ITP Type 5 Wheels
3000 lb. Warn Winch
3-Way Headlight Mod
High Lifter Lift Kit
2004 Polaris Sportsman 500 Mossy Oak - STOLEN
2001 Honda Rancher ES 350
Sold
Posted by: JJonJon
Sorry for all this whining and all. I get carried away sometimes. My bad toyeboy. Rtboy, good luck with you're decision. You can't go wrong with a KQ, i think you would love the power of that Brute, and i think you'd also be satisfied with what Polaris has to offer. Every brand these days has something great about them, like the others said, do some research, and once you test drive a machine, it could change everything.
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2004 Polaris Sportsman 700 (Green)
'27 ITP 589 M/S Tires
on ITP Type 5 Wheels
3000 lb. Warn Winch
3-Way Headlight Mod
High Lifter Lift Kit
2004 Polaris Sportsman 500 Mossy Oak - STOLEN
2001 Honda Rancher ES 350
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Posted by: Grumpy2
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Originally posted by: v2rider
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Originally posted by: screwARCTICCAT
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Originally posted by: Fireslayer
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Originally posted by: screwARCTICCAT
1.Yamaha Grizzly 700EFI
2.Cam-Am Outlander 800EFI
3.Polaris Sportsmen 800EFI
Come-on man, don't hold back! Tell us how you really feel about Artic Cat!!!
Fireslayer, i don't want to start a flame thread! hr>
Did the little kitty have to much power and scare the small boy? Ohhhhhhhh
Now really V2 Arctic-Cat DOES NOT make the best atv for everybody. Maybe it's the best for YOU. Like a lot of other people, if I want a Suzuki powered machine I'll buy Suzuki. If I want a 650 Kawasaki powered machine then I'll get Brute Force. Not a knock off. And by the way, I do agree with Reconranger in that AC & Polaris are to heavy.
Posted by: Toyeboy
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Originally posted by: rtboy
It would come down to the grizz 700 and sportsman 700
Polaris Sportsman's do in fact tend to have more problems than the Jap brands, most likely b/c of their hefty dry weights I have seen this firsthand I've had my Suzuki KQ for over a year now with zero problems...But I had a Sportsman 400 and it's virtually the same ATV as the 700,(minus the ~300cc). It was a nice riding ATV, and it's weight was great for plowing snow and towing trailers...but JUST for trail riding and mudding I wouldn't recommend a Sportsman, On mine the cv joint boots ripped all the time and it was a nightmare, you literally can't go in rough uncut trails with them or you WILL rip boots continuously and their cv boot guards you have to pay $90 for don't help, let's not even talk about mud with sticks jamming up into them. I had several other little, but annoying problems, like the gear shifter freezing in the wintertime, wouldn't start a few times, and a cracked bolt in the rear suspenison. It wasn't reliable that's for sure. Also I don't like the Sportsman's AWD...the Japs(aside from Honda) do it RIGHT, a real world 4wd system with DIFF LOCK, it's engaged in 4x4 when you want it to be not when the ATV feels it should be. Not trying to make Polaris loyalist mad, but I've seen it firsthand over the past three years of owning these two machines, Japs built better bikes.
I'm not sure about recommending the Grizz 700, it's a first year machine built from the ground up and problems are likely, ecspecially with their new power steering. Like I said I have a KQ 700 and it's had zero problems, it just needs a better air filter, perferably Uni or Twin Air. It'd be a good mudder with proper snorkels just like the Grizz. I'd recommend a BF 750 for deep mudding as well, b/c it's got a dynomite low end with it's V-twin, but it's not fuel injected.
Posted by: Toyeboy
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Originally posted by: JJonJon
ugh, i tell you time and time again toyeboy, your whole opinion would be 100% different of Polaris if you would've only gotten the SP500.. that 400 is so0o0o0o0o sluggish!! i've driven my friends a few times and i literally cant believe how slow they are. And if i would've bought that as my first Polaris it would've definatly left a bad impression on me. And as i said, i really doubt anyone rides their bikes harder than me, and if you do, it cant be much harder. And i have NEVER ripped ANYTHING! .. Nothing on my machine has broke, malfunctioned, NOTHiNG.. And i dont maintenance my machine near enough as i should. And about that "real world setup".. i still dont agree with it. I use my ATV in real world scenario's almost every day. I ride with my buddie's AC500, i ride with my friends Grizz, and not only can i keep up with them in the mud, i make them look silly. I love my setup and couldnt stand stopping all the time to flip levers and push all kind of buttons. And as i've said before, i still cant notice the machine "engaging" itself whenever it wants to. Unless you specifically sit there and look for it to slip, you'll never notice. I think it is true 4wd at its best. Except for rocks. ill give the diff lock that.
But it's not true 4x4, it's AWD that's what I mean SUV's and some cars that engage when needed are called AWD.. by real world setup I'm talking about 4x4 trucks, they have 3.5 wheel drive then 4x4 with a locker. Anyways I didn't even comment on the power of the Sportsman 400, yeah I know it didn't leave a good taste in my mouth so to speak of the power that the 400 had, but I was commenting on the problems that made me sell it not the power, I know the 700 would be more enjoyable than that 400 was...but since they're litterally the same thing with different motors, I want to give my experience of the problems I had, I don't know why you don't rip boots but I did all the time and that's why I left Polaris, their boots are HUGE vs. my KQ's so they're a big target...the trails I ride on my property are very rough and have tons of small twiggs and rocks sticking up, so I had to get something that could take it, b/c my trails are the only place I ever get to ride.
Posted by: Toyeboy
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Originally posted by: LOANSHARK
I like to trail ride, and I've never ridden a polaris but it sounds like you wouldn't be able to slide your rear end out in a predictable manner. The way I ride you need to be able to kick your rear end out, if you can't you're gonna be way behind me or you're going to slide into the brush.
Yeah your right about that, the Sportsman's are far to heavy to do much of any sliding, ecspecially with their IRS that would more likely put you on two wheels than slide the rear tires. They aren't nimble, they aren't sporty...they are big heavy work machine's IMO.
Posted by: Toyeboy
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Originally posted by: JJonJon
Very well put Fireslayer and very true. If someone says a Sportsman isint sporty then they obvisouly havnt ridden one. They are so easy to powerslide around corners it makes me sick. My 700 has oodles of power and when you turn that corner and floor the throttle down, it'll make the front end pick up and GO! Not wheelie's. Anyway, yeah, and some people dont consider the fact that, the Sportsman 800 weighs at like 765lbs. While its competetion weighs in at mostly 600lbs and some at 695lbs, YET the Sportsman 800 is still the fastest ATV with the exception of the Bomb800, and the Brute (and thats very arguable) So my point is, is that Polaris makes stronger/better engines IMO.. And if rumors are true, and Polaris is taking off the weight for '07, well, i wish the competition all the luck in the world. They'll need it.
Whoa a few of those comments seem a bit off... First off I've ridden the Sportsman ALOT and I'll tell you straight up compared to my Suzuki KQ they aren't very sporty. How can a 800lb ATV be considered sporty?
Also... The Sportsman 800 is a 760cc machine, the BF 750 is 749cc and it's faster so how does that make the Polaris have a stronger engine? The KQ 695cc single can beat a Sportsman 800 760cc Twin in a drag on some occasions, and if there wasn't a timing retard on the KQ it would win every time probably, we'll see when Velocity Devices Inc. releases their ECU for the KING, which will unrestrict that motor.
Hey the Jap brands (except for maybe Honda) don't have anything to worry about going against Polaris. Someone on NYROC's in the Polaris ATV forum said he switched to Suzuki b/c he felt his "American Built" 700 Sportsman motor was un refined and old American technology, compared it to rough running american built Harley Davidson.
Posted by: Toyeboy
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Originally posted by: JJonJon
Toyeboy, first off, and again even the 500 compared to the 400 is a WORLD of difference in "sportyness" so if you're referring to you're '04SP400 to you're '05Kingquad700 then duh i would be gung ho Suzuki too. Second of all, i have NEVER seen a KQ beat a SP800 in a drag, ever. Second, when the SP800 and the Brute750 drag, its back and forth, both are almost completely even. And what i was trying to say about the engines was that the Brute weighs at 604lbs while the Sportsman800 weighs at 765lbs. Thats 161 lbs difference and yet the Sportsman can still beat the Brute. Thats why i say Polaris builds stronger engines. And if Polaris just takes a little weight off it will smoke everything out there. And i dont care what anyone says from NYROC's or whatever, he/they probably had an '02 Spotsman 700, that machine was horrible.
All I'm trying to say is that there's a lot of big bores out there (such as the KQ) that are sportier... by sportier I mean more nimble than the Sportsmans, POWER isn't even the issue here, All they do is slap a 760cc Twin into the 400's chassis..and then you've got the Sportsman 800, the weight only increases, the suspension geometry isn't any different with the bigger sportsmans and I'm sure the tippiness isn't fixed either, power sliding may very well be possible on the 700/800 sp but it can't be easy like the KQ with all that excessive weight and "fat" rear end of the Sportsman. I'm not saying Polaris Sportsman's aren't good ATV's b/c there has been times I wished my KQ was as heavy as the Sportsman's while plowing snow...but never on the trail would I want all that weight back..never..and the 800 is 70lbs heavier than my 400 was Oh yeah the guy on Nyroc's had an 2004.5 Sp 700.
Posted by: Toyeboy
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Originally posted by: Catterman
Speaking of pissing contests, I once peed for 2:17 without stopping, NO JOKE. BR>
And yes, I used to time all my pees to see if I could brake my own records...
That's a long time!!! You musta drank a lot!
Posted by: Toyeboy
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Originally posted by: rtboy
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Originally posted by: konaking
rtboy, First of all I hope you are smart enough to not get caught up in this waste of time pissing contest with all of these clowns ripping and defending each others Quad, the fact of the matter is they are all good quads but they all do different things well. The Suzuki KQ is a great quad but is a single, The Polaris is a great quad but it's heavy, the BF 750 & 650i are great quads but they are not efi, I don't know much about the AC's but they seem to be a great quad also. Just use your head, do some research, if you can, do some test drives, then choose the one you like best, and that choice will be the right bike for you Garaunteeeed! Good Luck!, kk
Well I don't like the 650i and 750i because the seat is way to hard. But the 650i seat might be different I only sat on the 750i. The KQ I don't like the ground clearence. So is the 650i have a confortable seat?
THANKS
You mean you would rather have like 1 inch more of ground clearance on the BF 650 without EFI, rather than have EFI on the King Quad with one inch less ground clearance?
Posted by: Toyeboy
What's weird is I thought I'd feel the same way about the ground clearance on the King being lower than my Polaris sportsman, but it's better in my opinion with a little less ground clearance b/c it lowered the center of gravity.
You wouldn't have to worry about buying a Suzuki or Kawasaki they make good bikes. (IMO tougher than Polaris...but I don't want to start anything.)
Posted by: Toyeboy
It has a problem with the IRS? Mine doesn't!! No really I haven't heard of a problem witht the KQ's IRS.
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the poor king quad is just waiting to be unleashed and i bet it will run with our v-twins after that cdi is released. our brutes have ignition timing retard up to 9 mph. the suzuki has ignition timing retard up to 2000 rpm, causing a more significant lag and the reason a 72mph quad is losing drags to the other big bores.
I couldn't have said this better myself! good post!!! VDI claims the KQ is "crippled electronically" so I'm hoping we'll all be suprised with the amount of power hiding in the KQ. Half the power up to 2000 RPM's mean's it's severely underpowered down low, and there'll be a huge gain when you have a double the power in those RPM's after VDI's done with it.
Posted by: Toyeboy
Yeah the KQ has really good handling...better than the BF's and the old Grizzly, they are more tippy than the KQ, the KQ doesn't feel tippy at all when your driving it IMO. The seat is lower than the others, the motors' cylinder is at an angle, and the ground clearance is lower so this all equates to a lower center of gravity. None of this utes handle really "good" but in terms of ATV's the KQ is good. It's a nice machine...but you should test drive them all to see what fits you best.
This link below helped me out when trying to decide what to get...this are all rider reviews of people that actually own the ATV.
Click here
Posted by: Toyeboy
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Like a lot of other people, if I want a Suzuki powered machine I'll buy Suzuki. If I want a 650 Kawasaki powered machine then I'll get Brute Force. Not a knock off.
Suzuki owns almost 45% of Arctic Cat. There is no way Suzuki would allow Arctic Cat to just build a "knock off" machine. Suzuki has made the engines for the Arctic Cat snowmobiles for decades, so it is only natural that they would for the ATV's as well. Also, Suzuki is working with Arctic Cat so they can eventually build 100% of there own engines. The 650 H1 is a 100% Arctic Cat made engine and more are on the way.
That was nice of Suzuki!! No really how did Arctic Cat get Suzuki to "help" them, aren't these ATV manufactures trying to out sell their competition!!
I agree with you Catterman, AC's aren't just "knock off" machines, they are good ATV's ecspecially for mudding, and they are getting better as AC get's more used to building them!! The new 700's look really good, and they have really good racks and high ground clearance.
Posted by: Toyeboy
Does that mean they don't make the AC V2 650 anymore??? So it's the AC 700 with the KQ's motor and the H1 650 with the Arctic Motor correct?
Posted by: Toyeboy
I had an 04 Sportsman 400 as well! My first ATV!!! It was a good starter ATV for me, had a few problems, but nothing major I sold it last year with 2300 miles on it. I sold it b/c I wanted to upgrade to something with more power b/c I mostly ride fast trails and I needed something lighter....but now I can't plow as much snow as I could b/c my King 700 is 100lbs lighter than my 400 was and the stock tires are terrible in comparison!
Posted by: Steveo500
i would get either the grizzley. or the polaris 700. that is a tough choice. they both are great in all conditions. but the sportsman is a little better for long trip because its more conffy.
Posted by: SDLloyd
Here is my 2 cents worth.
I have a sportsman 400, had it just short of 3 years now. I can climb any hill I want to, plow snow a foot deep, pull heavy loads on a trailer or on the racks, go on the same trails as others in a group and keep up.
I have had no problems of any kind.
I have never wished I bought a bike with a bigger engine, I am sure there is some case somewhere where it would be a help, but I have not run into it yet. Everything is traction limited.
I have a top speed of 51, but I always ride 25 to 40 mph. I am lucky enough to live in South Dakota, where a street legal bike can go anywhere, and I am out in the sticks where most of the roads are gravel.
Posted by: Baconbits
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Originally posted by: rtboy
It would come down to the grizz 700 and sportsman 700
I would get the Grizz, I dont know anything about 'em, but im just not a fan of Polaris. lol
Posted by: Baconbits
Dont all Polaris' have fully auto clutches?
Posted by: DDDonkey
I would go with the grizzly, it has diff lock and you are paying for the product not the name. I also am not a fan of the AWD and there engine breaking is rear wheels only. Just my $.02
Posted by: xFreebirdx
Funny how every topic turns into an argument lately.
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Funny how every topic turns into an argument lately. hr>
xFBx, It ain't arguments man, it's "pissing contests" and Catterman's got the record so far at 2 hours and seventeen minutes, so shutup and get to drinkingLOL Can't ROFL or I'll wet my pants!!!
LOL. =]
Posted by: xFreebirdx
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Originally posted by: xFreebirdx
Funny how every topic turns into an argument lately. hr>
Shutup FB, no it doesn't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hr>
LMAO. =]
Posted by: xFreebirdx
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Originally posted by: xFreebirdx
Funny how every topic turns into an argument lately. hr>
xFBx, It ain't arguments man, it's "pissing contests" and Catterman's got the record so far at 2 hours and seventeen minutes, so shutup and get to drinkingLOL Can't ROFL or I'll wet my pants!!!
Yah, now try and beat me FB! hr>
You are the master hands¿ down. lol. =]
Posted by: Fireslayer
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Originally posted by: LOANSHARK
I like to trail ride, and I've never ridden a polaris but it sounds like you wouldn't be able to slide your rear end out in a predictable manner. The way I ride you need to be able to kick your rear end out, if you can't you're gonna be way behind me or you're going to slide into the brush.
Yeah your right about that, the Sportsman's are far to heavy to do much of any sliding, ecspecially with their IRS that would more likely put you on two wheels than slide the rear tires. They aren't nimble, they aren't sporty...they are big heavy work machine's IMO.
Hopefully I can get some video together in the next month to post on here that will prove to you how badly you've been misled and deceived. For the time being I will help clearify your comments. Yes, Sportsman's are heavy machines; they will however slide or dig in and corner very well according to rider input. The IRS and rear sway bar system works very well at controlling lateral stability. You rarely if ever here of complaints with Polaris having stability problems.( I think that's more like an AC problem). They are not the most nimble or the the most sporty and they have never claimed to be . They are listed as sport/utility quads with their emphasis being more utility than sport. As you hopefully will get to see soon, they can hold thier own with the right type of rider in some pretty rough conditions.
Posted by: Fireslayer
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Originally posted by: xFreebirdx
Funny how every topic turns into an argument lately. hr>
xFBx, It ain't arguments man, it's "pissing contests" and Catterman's got the record so far at 2 hours and seventeen minutes, so shutup and get to drinkingLOL Can't ROFL or I'll wet my pants!!!
Posted by: Fireslayer
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Originally posted by: screwARCTICCAT
1.Yamaha Grizzly 700EFI
2.Cam-Am Outlander 800EFI
3.Polaris Sportsmen 800EFI
Come-on man, don't hold back! Tell us how you really feel about Artic Cat!!!
Posted by: v2rider
Come on AC power, you just have to watch what you say. You will make the AC forum look badBR>
I will rephrase for youBR>
I would reccomend buying an arctic cat. grizz would be my second choice. ac has more ground clearance and suspension travel. I personally would never buy a Polaris, but thats my preference. Their ground clearance isnt as tall as AC, and i dont like the ride because it doesnt feel sporty enough. ( not going to touch the tampon subject).
Posted by: v2rider
I think the polaris atvs are way meaner looking than the ACs.
Ha!!!!!! Your kidding, right???? Unbelievable. Thats the first time ive EVER heard that. I usually see people say the Polaris is Ugly, but if thats your opinion, your entitled to it
Posted by: v2rider
Yeah, we all get to hear about bom and them winning mud nationals, and um yeah, and how did they rate in number of sales? Oh yeah, LAST. I think bom is a nice machine, but its not the best in everything, and everyone will never like it more than their preferred brand of choice. There is a little to much hype on these boms.
Posted by: v2rider
when the SP800 and the Brute750 drag, its back and forth, both are almost completely even
Ive never seen the two race (sp800, bf750) but im almost positive the bf is faster of the line
Posted by: v2rider
The dyna really makes these V-Twins rock and roll!!!
Posted by: v2rider
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Originally posted by: Fireslayer
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Originally posted by: screwARCTICCAT
1.Yamaha Grizzly 700EFI
2.Cam-Am Outlander 800EFI
3.Polaris Sportsmen 800EFI
Come-on man, don't hold back! Tell us how you really feel about Artic Cat!!!
Fireslayer, i don't want to start a flame thread! hr>
Did the little kitty have to much power and scare the small boy? Ohhhhhhhh
Posted by: v2rider
Im referring to "screwarcticcat". If i change my name to "screwpolaris" or "screwhonda" i will get the same remarks
Posted by: v2rider
Yeah, and im changing my name to "screwhonda"
Posted by: v2rider
Correct
Posted by: v2rider
Ive never experienced actuator problems. Thats new to me. How about you catterman?
Posted by: bigike
Mortage your kiddneys and get the bomb! I've ridden my buddies and it is the most comfortable the most muddable and the most trailable. just dont hit a tree with it and bend the frame! It out mud's my buddies H1 with 28.5 laws and the AC ALWAYS HAS 4X4 ACTUATING PROBLEMS! the same guy that owns the 800 has a ac h1 and a ac 400 and the 400 has the same actuating problems as the other friends H1, and the axles break. so sell a testicle or what ever it takes and buy the most invergating 4x EVER! I'm getting a griz 700 i like what theyve done with it. Even though I'm a polaris guy.
flame away V2, it's what you do best!
Posted by: atomlinson
Talk about getting off the subject. I thought the subject was "which ATV should I get", not "how big of a p!ssing contest can I get into".
Posted by: rtboy
Hey guys I am buying an atv. It has been a month and I still can't decide what to get. So please help me to decide
THANKS
Posted by: rtboy
I am looking for trail riding and going through deep water and mud
Posted by: rtboy
It would come down to the grizz 700 and sportsman 700
Posted by: rtboy
Well for the AC atv I don't like them because I rode my buddy's AC and the suspenson was hard as a rock and the sterring was hard. I don't know if its his atv but he has an 06 AC 500LE. I rode a polaris and the quad was perfect. Never rode a grizz though. If I got an AC I would get a 650. I think the polaris atvs are way meaner looking than the ACs. I read in atv action magazine they test all the big bore quads and the sportsman 800 won.
Posted by: rtboy
I think the older polaris atvs have more problems than the new polaris. The new polaris atvs I think don't have problems
Posted by: rtboy
Yeah I don't do much work on my atvs. My next atv I am going to put a k&n and tires
Posted by: rtboy
I agree LOL
Posted by: rtboy
I have been riding for all of my life
Posted by: rtboy
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rtboy, First of all I hope you are smart enough to not get caught up in this waste of time pissing contest with all of these clowns ripping and defending each others Quad, the fact of the matter is they are all good quads but they all do different things well. The Suzuki KQ is a great quad but is a single, The Polaris is a great quad but it's heavy, the BF 750 & 650i are great quads but they are not efi, I don't know much about the AC's but they seem to be a great quad also. Just use your head, do some research, if you can, do some test drives, then choose the one you like best, and that choice will be the right bike for you Garaunteeeed! Good Luck!, kk
Well I don't like the 650i and 750i because the seat is way to hard. But the 650i seat might be different I only sat on the 750i. The KQ I don't like the ground clearence. So is the 650i have a confortable seat?
THANKS
Posted by: rtboy
It's an animal
Posted by: rtboy
No I like both quads I'm just saying both quads should have more ground. And I never owned a suzuki before I own polaris yamaha
Posted by: rtboy
I like the tires
Posted by: rtboy
I don't like the suzuki king quad because I heard it has a problem with the IRS is it only with the 05 I don't know
Posted by: rtboy
I seen a post on the KQ's having problems on this website
Posted by: rtboy
Toyeboy I don't really know about suzuki that. What I mean is that I don't want a KQ because I never owned one before and when I sat on the KQ it felt narrow so does it have good handling?
Posted by: rtboy
Thanks Toyeboy it would come down to the BF 650 and the sportsman 700
THANKS
Posted by: rtboy
I seen an AC with the dyna kit on it
Posted by: rtboy
NICE
Posted by: screwARCTICCAT
1.Yamaha Grizzly 700EFI
2.Cam-Am Outlander 800EFI
3.Polaris Sportsmen 800EFI
Posted by: screwARCTICCAT
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Originally posted by: Fireslayer
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Originally posted by: screwARCTICCAT
1.Yamaha Grizzly 700EFI
2.Cam-Am Outlander 800EFI
3.Polaris Sportsmen 800EFI
Come-on man, don't hold back! Tell us how you really feel about Artic Cat!!!
Fireslayer, i don't want to start a flame thread! BR>
Posted by: screwARCTICCAT
I love all brands of ATV's, almost.
Posted by: diggerdeep
Yeah, what are you looking to do with it. There are a lot of different things to clue you in on. But we would run out of space if you are not more specific.
AC or Yam. Grizz. for the mud and work around the farm. AC is a little heavier so the Yamy will probably go a little better.
Kaw 650BF sta., or if you can find a left over Prairie 700 these handle work and high speed turns, due to there low center of gravity. They also are not as tippy. They lack in ground clearance. But unless you are an absolute mud bogger they will be fine. Most of the time you can go around a mudhole. 99% of the time. But mudding is fun. Then sometimes you have to pass under fallen trees and post gates, and they set lower so they can pass more stuff like that. The straight axle also is longer lasting and more dependable. Just less moving parts.
Hon Rincon, Suz. King Quad, are good one's. They also have IRS.
Bombardier or Can-Am 800 is the most powerfull, but the most expensive by far, also.
So many choices. It depends on what you are looking for and how much you want to spend.
All of these are good 4-wheelers so it's up to you.
Posted by: kwadkrazy65
acpower,
"youd have to have down syndrome to buy a polaris."
Are you kidding me.... First let me tell you that I have a child with down syndrome so I find that comment and mentality a LITTLE offensive. If you can't come up with something better to respond with than that, then keep your comments to yourself. BUT don't refer to or pick on people with disabilty's. They have NOTHING TO DO with which atv is better, ground clearance or anything else in the engineering design of ATV'S. I believe that the post was in regards to someone wanting advice on "what atv to buy." and ended up going towards the polaris sp700 vs grizzly, so why don't you try to bring your mentality level up a notch or two and comment on the post with facts, not ignorant 1920's thinking.
Second...the ground clearance on the sportsman line doesn't "suck." If you go back and check the specifications of the manufactures of ac/polaris/yamaha/kawasaki/suzuki and honda you will find that they are right there near the top, right under the artic cats.
Third....the sway bar is there to reduce sway, back and forth, left and right....not up and down travel. you know as you are going around corners to keep the quad from feeling like it is going to tip or roll over and keep it more stable while turning or cornering.
As for the whole women tampons thing i am not gonna touch that one. I think that comment goes to further prove your mentality level. If you don't like a certain make or model than just simply state that with some intelligent opinion or some facts.
Posted by: kwadkrazy65
vrider,
THANK YOU
Now that is what the forums are meant for. Personel opinion's that are intellegent as well as fact based reply's. I believe that we all can learn from each other when the forums are conducted in this manner. We can all have some fun jabbing at each other if conducted in a proper manner.
As for giving the cats a bad name, i will think nothing less of anyone who rides a cat. It is a personel choice for one reason or another what we ride and that choice should be respected.
If I ever decide to jump ship as they say, it WILL be a cat for sure. That decision may not be to far in the future
Posted by: konaking
rtboy, First of all I hope you are smart enough to not get caught up in this waste of time pissing contest with all of these clowns ripping and defending each others Quad, the fact of the matter is they are all good quads but they all do different things well. The Suzuki KQ is a great quad but is a single, The Polaris is a great quad but it's heavy, the BF 750 & 650i are great quads but they are not efi, I don't know much about the AC's but they seem to be a great quad also. Just use your head, do some research, if you can, do some test drives, then choose the one you like best, and that choice will be the right bike for you Garaunteeeed! Good Luck!, kk
Posted by: jasons650i
just my two cents coming up.
someone said the bomb 800 and brute force 750 races could go either way. the bomb 800 is faster. may take a while to prove it cause they're both wicked fast off the line, but given open space the 800 will win, althought not worth the extra $2000 in my opinion. 750 doesn't handle great so i hear but the 650i does and in multiple quad magazines the 650i was said to be faster or as fast as the 750i but handles much better. believe me i've done my research. polaris 800 will not take either brute force in a drag, let alone the 700 sportsman. sorry po po guys but i invite you to our farm and if i'm wrong i'll buy lunch. we'll have fun, but i'd bring a cooler with a sandwich if i were you. otherwise you gonna be hungry. polaris is great just stating a fact on the acceleration part of it.
the poor king quad is just waiting to be unleashed and i bet it will run with our v-twins after that cdi is released. our brutes have ignition timing retard up to 9 mph. the suzuki has ignition timing retard up to 2000 rpm, causing a more significant lag and the reason a 72mph quad is losing drags to the other big bores. imo. that remains to be seen and i must say i have more confidence in my first paragraph than my second. lol
i do like your polaris quads, i'll give you your props. in fact we may get a 500 or 600 for my brother soon. mudding, a long days ride, storage, american jobs, are all good reasons to buy a big bore polaris. i'm sure the speed difference is not huge and they're a blast to ride. just wanted to reply on some posts i saw here.
Posted by: jasons650i
kwadkrazy65, get the brute 650i. in my humble opinion its the best trail bike out there. if you are an older adult and want a nicer ride, po po 700 for that route. but if you still have mud in your veins and branches smacking your helmet, the brute force 650i is for you. not to be confused with the 650 sra which is (believe it or not) down on power compared to the i.
you'll get a great handling quad that has tons of power too! its a good all around package.
bye the way dyna cdi on the way guys!
Posted by: jasons650i
i'm changing my name to "screwpolaris"
although i must admit a poo poo 700 pulled me out of a mud pit sunday. boy was i stuck good. come one winch, get here already.
Posted by: jasons650i
yeah and the h1 is about as fast and powerful as 500 h.o. as far as trail riding is concerned.
Posted by: acpower
buy an arctic cat. grizz would be second choice. ac has more groun clearance and suspension travel. youd have to have down syndrome to buy a polaris. their ground clearance sucks. the ride is bad because the suspension doesnt travel enough plus they have a sway bar. polaris goes through parts like women go through tampons. not a good choice.
