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Posted by: Mdog
400 Can-Am(BRP) Outlander for sure.
Posted by: Scootergptx
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Originally posted by: RancherATCrazy
Actually it does. I ride with my buddie on his 660 Raptor all the time and my other buddie has 450Z I keep up with thier sprt bikes all the time.
A stock 400 that keeps up with a 660R and a 450Z (maybe LT-R450)? Makes you wonder why Yamaha and Suzuki even make those models.
Posted by: Scootergptx
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Originally posted by: Catterman
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Originally posted by: bogtosser
2005 Eiger stock GPS verified 59mph with 26 inch mudlites and my 240lb frame and about 10-15 pounds of gear in rear box. Remember an eiger is 376cc's. I would imagine with stock tires and a 170 pounder riding the bike could do 62-63mph no problem.
You have the fastest Eiger in the world.
Tell your cousin elihtdew, we all said hi.
Posted by: Scootergptx
Don't take it too seriously. If you read any of his posts, and didn't laugh, something must be wrong.
Posted by: Scootergptx
With the expected high temps to be in the mid to upper 90's, I'll be in the shade or any place that has air conditioning. Preferably, a place serving adult beverages.
Posted by: Scootergptx
It's not going to get that cold overnight.
Posted by: Catterman
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Originally posted by: bogtosser
2005 Eiger stock GPS verified 59mph with 26 inch mudlites and my 240lb frame and about 10-15 pounds of gear in rear box. Remember an eiger is 376cc's. I would imagine with stock tires and a 170 pounder riding the bike could do 62-63mph no problem.
You have the fastest Eiger in the world.
Posted by: Catterman
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Originally posted by: mykool61679
what the fastest quad out there, racing or not.(top end)
That would be bogtosser's Eiger
Posted by: Catterman
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Originally posted by: Scootergptx
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Originally posted by: Catterman
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Originally posted by: bogtosser
2005 Eiger stock GPS verified 59mph with 26 inch mudlites and my 240lb frame and about 10-15 pounds of gear in rear box. Remember an eiger is 376cc's. I would imagine with stock tires and a 170 pounder riding the bike could do 62-63mph no problem.
You have the fastest Eiger in the world.
Tell your cousin elihtdew, we all said hi. hr>
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Posted by: Catterman
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Originally posted by: bogtosser
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Originally posted by: Catterman
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Originally posted by: Scootergptx
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Originally posted by: bogtosser
2005 Eiger stock GPS verified 59mph with 26 inch mudlites and my 240lb frame and about 10-15 pounds of gear in rear box. Remember an eiger is 376cc's. I would imagine with stock tires and a 170 pounder riding the bike could do 62-63mph no problem.
You have the fastest Eiger in the world.
Tell your cousin elihtdew, we all said hi. hr>
Classic hr>
Ok just did a search to see what the hell this means and discovered a post last year to ban this Elihtdew for contributing garbage to the board. Hey guys sorry if me posting has caused you all any grief! Guess next time I see a post like this I will just NOT post anything or put on a flame suit if I do. Maybe the GPS reading is wrong, but tell ya what I really dont care cause I didnt buy the bike for top speed just thought it would be fun one day to just see what it was. Guess I will just go back to reading the suzuki forum and keep my mouth shut.
Thanks for the warm welcome to the forums
hr>
WOW, you are pretty good if you looked up old elihtdew!
Relax, you are more then welcome here, people are not poking fun at you, but with you. Stay around long enough and you will join in the fun.
Errors do happen, and either way it doesn't matter to me how fast your ATV goes. Good luck and welcome to the forum!
Posted by: OneFlyCowboy
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Originally posted by: RancherATCrazy
Actually it does. I ride with my buddie on his 660 Raptor all the time and my other buddie has 450Z I keep up with thier sprt bikes all the time.
Come on now.. You wanna go for a ride with me? please. only way you would keep up is if i let you
Posted by: OneFlyCowboy
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Originally posted by: RancherATCrazy
Actually it does. I ride with my buddie on his 660 Raptor all the time and my other buddie has 450Z I keep up with thier sprt bikes all the time.
Come on now.. You wanna go for a ride with me? please. only way you would keep up is if i let you hr>
Where were you at Easton OFC? Ask Skillz, TP, or HappaRap if I can ride The only person I couldn't keep up with is LdyJay, and you know how she rides! hr>
Nope.. I was workin on the farm. Im sure you can get with it. I don't go that fast.. Just a comfortable speed.
Posted by: MrDumass
Big Bear 386cc and 55 mph is about the max. It might be more, it might be less, but thats what the speedo reads.
Posted by: raidermike67
BRP will be releasing a V-twin Outlander 500 this year which will probably be faster then the KQ, Rincon and SP500-800.
Posted by: Dirtydude
I watched a paid for infomercial produced and paid for by BRP promoting their Outlander linup.
They raced the 800 against everything and it won everthing, including a straight up drag race and a sled pull.
When they tested the 400 Outty it did not win against the Kodiak 450 in the sled pull. I don't remember seeing them in a drag race but I would assume if the Kodiak out pulled it in the weighted sled pull then it stands to reason the Kodiak would spank it in the drag race too, perhaps that is why they failed to show a drag race for middle weight utility quads.
edit: Oh ya, the Honda couldn't even get the sled to move! Just sat there and burned the oil in it's auto tranny, it went forward all of about 2 inches then just revved and didn't go anywhere...lol
Posted by: Dirtydude
Ok makes since to me then, perhaps I missed the drag competition on the infomercial?
Seems to me pulling things would be important but this guy who started this thread asked what was the fastest and didn't seem concerned with other topics so I'll have to rest on this one, I don't know what is the fastest in a straight up drag race but I would take your word that the Outty 400 is.
Posted by: Wolvydude
The BRP Outlander 400 is generally considered the fastest utility under 500cc. I base this on what I have read on this forum and various others...
Posted by: Wolvydude
Most certainly stick around, just knowing how/when to use the search feature shows you're probably smarter than most. A lot of people can't seem to find it...
Posted by: ppope
Yep, the OL400 is the fastest utility quad under 500cc. Faster than some 500cc quads! I seen one blow by a rubicon 500.
Posted by: ppope
Outlanders are geared high. I did a 6 hours ride comparison with an OL800 and a sp800. At various speeds the sp800 would always tach 3-500rpms more than the OL at the exact same speed. This explains why the OL of any cc usually doesn't win at the pulls. I also witnessed a drag race which involved an OL400 and an kodiak 450, along with some others. The OL400 blast past the kodiak 450 from the word go. The rotax engines are unmatched in the hp world. The OL400 will outrun any 400, 450, and some 500cc utility quads.
Posted by: ppope
Also, the OL650 is the second fastest production utility quad on the market today. Only thing faster is the OL800. That's right! The OL650 will outrun a BF750, SP800, and KQ700.
Posted by: ppope
Actually the eiger is one of the slowest 400cc quads, along with honda. Has great lowend pulling power though and the manual tranny. Note it doesn't have IRS of a diff lock, if that is something you may want. For a good price and all the bells and whistles, I would look at the kodiak 450. It's no slouch!
Posted by: ppope
You can also get an AC500 in manual.
Posted by: ppope
A rancher that will do 58mph! Yeah, in the back of a truck or trailer. Maybe you got this speed on the speedo, but check it with a GPS, and you'll find it's probably more like 48mph. I'm really not knocking you, but it's really not going to happen. I promise :-)
Posted by: ppope
Yes, an eiger will outrun a honda 400. Honda's produce the least amount of hp of any quad made. HP=speed! Now, what honda does offer is lowend torque and gearing. They are pulling beast, but slow pulling beast :-)
Posted by: ppope
Again, check the speed of that rancher with a gps. The only other way it would go 58mph other than being in the bed of a truck is if you tied it to an OL800efi :-) Sorry, but it is not possible for a stock rancher to go 58mph in any conditions. Not trying to argue with you, and frankly I don't care, but just so others that read this post aren't mislead into thinking it will, cause it won't. Only honda utility that can make it to 58mph is the rincon. Don't get me wrong, the rancher is one of the best definetely most dependable, and toughest quads made. It is just not going to win many races, which it is not designed for. It is too low geared, has very low hp, but lots of torque. It is a pulling beast, but hp is what gives you speed, torque is what gives you pulling. To give you an example, the Polaris Sportsman 500ho (499cc) produces 38hp. The Honda Rubicon 500 (499cc) produces 22hp.
Posted by: ppope
That is hp at the crank. The polaris 600 and 500 have almost the same hp. They are 2 completely different engines, designed by two diff companies. The 500 is an engine designed by Fuji Heavy Industries, which owns Subaru cars. They are known for making small bulletproof engines with big hp #'s and will run forever. The 600 is a Liberty twin engine designed by polaris. As I said it has about the same hp as the 500, but a little more torque. HP=speed, so this explains why the 500 will keep up with and sometimes outrun the 600 twin. Also, explains why polaris dropped the 600.
Posted by: ppope
All I got to say is be proud of that thing, cause it's an exception. Even if you hit 55mph on it, that's a record for a rancher. A good buddy of mine is looking for a quad and is obcessed with the rancher. I'll have to tell him someone reported getting over 55mph.
Posted by: ppope
Evidently the fastest quad on top end is tied between and eiger and a rancher!!!!
Posted by: 450kodman
back in the day, the 2 stroke polaris xplorers (400 and 250) were quick bikes, havent seen one in a while though
Posted by: 450kodman
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2005 Eiger stock GPS verified 59mph with 26 inch mudlites and my 240lb frame and about 10-15 pounds of gear in rear box. Remember an eiger is 376cc's. I would imagine with stock tires and a 170 pounder riding the bike could do 62-63mph no problem.
doesnt the larger tires throw the speedo off? pretty sure it does although i dont know if the reading you get is higher or lower than actual speed
i think its safe to say that a stock 350-450cc ute quad-thats not a big bear cuz they are geared low- will do 50-55mph
Posted by: bogtosser
2005 Eiger stock GPS verified 59mph with 26 inch mudlites and my 240lb frame and about 10-15 pounds of gear in rear box. Remember an eiger is 376cc's. I would imagine with stock tires and a 170 pounder riding the bike could do 62-63mph no problem.
Posted by: bogtosser
Have you driven one? it takes a stretch of road to get up to it but it still will go. Stock the bike could bury the speedo at 100km/hr.
Posted by: bogtosser
PIIYM. BR>
All I can say is the GPS speed must be wrong, cause thats what it stated. The bikes speedo reads to 95 and stock it was no problem to bury it at all, Now with 26's it will still bury it on a slight down grade or on a straight with a tail wind. Find a Suzuki dealer that does demo's, take one for a ride and tell me what you think.
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Originally posted by: bogtosser
2005 Eiger stock GPS verified 59mph with 26 inch mudlites and my 240lb frame and about 10-15 pounds of gear in rear box. Remember an eiger is 376cc's. I would imagine with stock tires and a 170 pounder riding the bike could do 62-63mph no problem.
You have the fastest Eiger in the world.
Tell your cousin elihtdew, we all said hi. hr>
Classic hr>
Ok just did a search to see what the hell this means and discovered a post last year to ban this Elihtdew for contributing garbage to the board. Hey guys sorry if me posting has caused you all any grief! Guess next time I see a post like this I will just NOT post anything or put on a flame suit if I do. Maybe the GPS reading is wrong, but tell ya what I really dont care cause I didnt buy the bike for top speed just thought it would be fun one day to just see what it was. Guess I will just go back to reading the suzuki forum and keep my mouth shut.
Thanks for the warm welcome to the forums
Posted by: bogtosser
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Originally posted by: Scootergptx
Don't take it too seriously. If you read any of his posts, and didn't laugh, something must be wrong.
Just read the post where people were talking about his posts, didnt ready any of his useless posts. So what other canadians are going off to their cottages or Cabins( as we newfoundlanders call them) this victoria day long weekend? Im putting some serious miles on the Eiger the weekend looking for some nice spots for some estern brook trout. Maybe I will post a few pictures next week.
Posted by: bogtosser
temps here will be lucky to reach 55
Posted by: squeege
my buddy and I were giong about 60mph down a road on level ground...but mine is a little beefed up he was on a forman 500
Posted by: squeege
I agree 99% of the time you are on your quad you will be below 40mph...so the idea is to have a quad with power not top speed
Posted by: squeege
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Originally posted by: vinny04
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the Polaris Sportsman 500ho (499cc) produces 38hp. The Honda Rubicon 500 (499cc) produces 22hp.
Where did you get these numbers? Is that HP at the crank or rear wheels?
I was looking up HP numbers a while back but I couldn't find anything on the Polaris 500 but I did get the 600 polaris. What I would really like to know is the torque at the wheels.
This is what I came up with from highlifter a while back all stock quads rear wheel HP:
Honda 400 peak 13.5hp@31mph
honda 650 pk 22hp@38mph
honda 450 pk 12.25hp@24mph
polaris 600 pk 24.2hp@ 24mph----23hp @ 31mph
yamaha 660 griz pk 28.2hp@28mph
Yamaha 450 kodiak pk 18.3hp@25mph
AC400i pk 15.1hp@34mph
AC 500i pk 21hp@22mph
Kawi 650 pk 31.5hp@21mph
suz Eiger pk 18.1hp@20mph
suz Vinson pk 23.25hp@ 22.5mph----21hp@31mph
Awesome now can we do power to weight?
Posted by: squeege
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Originally posted by: bogtosser
2005 Eiger stock GPS verified 59mph with 26 inch mudlites and my 240lb frame and about 10-15 pounds of gear in rear box. Remember an eiger is 376cc's. I would imagine with stock tires and a 170 pounder riding the bike could do 62-63mph no problem.
The GPS must be on KMH
Posted by: v2rider
If it went that fast, he would have the fastest one!!
Posted by: Brute23
My 05 Rancher 4X4 MS would do 54mph. That bike cost me $5400.
If you are loking for more speed get a big bore. You can get BF650 SRA like myne in my sig for $6300. That is with the tires and 4yr warranty. The extra $900 is well worth it. The locker, smooth ride, and raw power is the reason for my upgrade. BF650 w/ 26" Mud-Lites will do 68mph.
Posted by: mykool61679
my 350 rancher goes 52mph, and i have an es
Posted by: mykool61679
what the fastest quad out there, racing or not.(top end)
Posted by: Silversteinfan
scrambler anyone?
Posted by: Silversteinfan
"A scrambler is no utility atv and not all that fast either"
So metalgearquad do you speak from experiance? Im Curious to know how you think this.
Posted by: Silversteinfan
i agree with kodman. the 400s were very quick and yet are also utlilties. if your scrambler cant beat a 250ex then there is something wrong with it. Scramblers have the same if not almost similar trannies as explorers so theirs your low gear. i dont know whats going on but i and alot of others think the scrambler 400 and 500 are great sport/utilities.
Posted by: Silversteinfan
well my friend that would be a QUADZILLA.
Posted by: vinny04
I agree with ppope I can't see a rancher doing 58mph I have had my Vinson at 96.6KPH which converts to 60.03 MPH on the speedo on a frozen pond once just to see how fast I could go with all my bolt ons as listed in my sig and only 3.5psi in the tires. Since then I don't think I have gone over 75KPH (46MPH) because trail conditions don't permit higher speeds. I noticed my odometer and hour meter the other day and I have 3990km and 320 Hours so according to that my avg speed would be 12.5kph of course this doesn't take into account idling time so the avg would be higher than 12.5 kph but you get my point fast speeds are all right but really how often are you going 60MPH.
I have to admit I like speed when people pull alongside and want to go, they soon find out the Vinson is quick.... lol
As for the eiger it would show up a honda 400 any day in speed and low end power IMO unless the 400 have substantial more power than the 350 hondas.
My Vinson Pic's
Posted by: vinny04
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the Polaris Sportsman 500ho (499cc) produces 38hp. The Honda Rubicon 500 (499cc) produces 22hp.
Where did you get these numbers? Is that HP at the crank or rear wheels?
I was looking up HP numbers a while back but I couldn't find anything on the Polaris 500 but I did get the 600 polaris. What I would really like to know is the torque at the wheels.
This is what I came up with from highlifter a while back all stock quads rear wheel HP:
Honda 400 peak 13.5hp@31mph
honda 650 pk 22hp@38mph
honda 450 pk 12.25hp@24mph
polaris 600 pk 24.2hp@ 24mph----23hp @ 31mph
yamaha 660 griz pk 28.2hp@28mph
Yamaha 450 kodiak pk 18.3hp@25mph
AC400i pk 15.1hp@34mph
AC 500i pk 21hp@22mph
Kawi 650 pk 31.5hp@21mph
suz Eiger pk 18.1hp@20mph
suz Vinson pk 23.25hp@ 22.5mph----21hp@31mph
Posted by: vinny04
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2005 Eiger stock GPS verified 59mph with 26 inch mudlites and my 240lb frame and about 10-15 pounds of gear in rear box. Remember an eiger is 376cc's. I would imagine with stock tires and a 170 pounder riding the bike could do 62-63mph no problem.
I don't know about 62-63MPH but myself and 2 other guys were on a manual eiger and we hit 90KPH (56MPH) on the speedo on a paved road and it wouldn't go any faster. the bike was stock with bolt on accessories including winch, fender guards w/pegs,rear seat/box, windshield. oh ya and 3doz beer. our weight is about 515LB combined.
My Vinson pics
Posted by: RancherATCrazy
You said you did not want automatic? My Rancher has full auto or ESP, push button 2wd or 4wd. On flat ground in 2 wheel drive i max out at 58MPH Why are you so concerned with speed? Once you get on the trails your not going to go that fast anyway. And if your wanting to ride dunnes or something get a sport bike.
Posted by: RancherATCrazy
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Originally posted by: ppope
A rancher that will do 58mph! Yeah, in the back of a truck or trailer. Maybe you got this speed on the speedo, but check it with a GPS, and you'll find it's probably more like 48mph. I'm really not knocking you, but it's really not going to happen. I promise :-)
Actually it does. I ride with my buddie on his 660 Raptor all the time and my other buddie has 450Z I keep up with thier sprt bikes all the time.
Posted by: RancherATCrazy
On the Sand or flat pavment I don't stand a chance. On the trails I am all over them. And I didn't say I could get to 58 in 6 seconds either. That is completely maxed out until it won't go any fast on flat pavement. It bounces back an forth between 57 and 58.
Posted by: RancherATCrazy
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Originally posted by: RancherATCrazy
Actually it does. I ride with my buddie on his 660 Raptor all the time and my other buddie has 450Z I keep up with thier sprt bikes all the time.
Come on now.. You wanna go for a ride with me? please. only way you would keep up is if i let you hr>
Where were you at Easton OFC? Ask Skillz, TP, or HappaRap if I can ride The only person I couldn't keep up with is LdyJay, and you know how she rides!
Posted by: RancherATCrazy
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Originally posted by: ppope
Again, check the speed of that rancher with a gps. The only other way it would go 58mph other than being in the bed of a truck is if you tied it to an OL800efi :-) Sorry, but it is not possible for a stock rancher to go 58mph in any conditions. Not trying to argue with you, and frankly I don't care, but just so others that read this post aren't mislead into thinking it will, cause it won't. Only honda utility that can make it to 58mph is the rincon. Don't get me wrong, the rancher is one of the best definetely most dependable, and toughest quads made. It is just not going to win many races, which it is not designed for. It is too low geared, has very low hp, but lots of torque. It is a pulling beast, but hp is what gives you speed, torque is what gives you pulling. To give you an example, the Polaris Sportsman 500ho (499cc) produces 38hp. The Honda Rubicon 500 (499cc) produces 22hp.
Don't have a GPS but I had my wife drive next to me in the truck today. 55-57 MPH
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Originally posted by: ppope
Again, check the speed of that rancher with a gps. The only other way it would go 58mph other than being in the bed of a truck is if you tied it to an OL800efi :-) Sorry, but it is not possible for a stock rancher to go 58mph in any conditions. Not trying to argue with you, and frankly I don't care, but just so others that read this post aren't mislead into thinking it will, cause it won't. Only honda utility that can make it to 58mph is the rincon. Don't get me wrong, the rancher is one of the best definetely most dependable, and toughest quads made. It is just not going to win many races, which it is not designed for. It is too low geared, has very low hp, but lots of torque. It is a pulling beast, but hp is what gives you speed, torque is what gives you pulling. To give you an example, the Polaris Sportsman 500ho (499cc) produces 38hp. The Honda Rubicon 500 (499cc) produces 22hp.
Don't have a GPS but I had my wife drive next to me in the truck today. 55-57 MPH
I had too you had me second guessing myself.
Posted by: mclach
I just bought 2006 kodiak 450 camo. It will kill honda 400at for fun.
Posted by: mclach
58 mph seems kind of fast for a rancher. My buddies 400at goes 50mph, he is a big guy 250 but I'm sure it won't go 58 we me in the saddle. My 2006 kodiak 450 goes 55 with 180 of driver.
Posted by: mclach
that rancher must have a v-8 in it.
Posted by: zwc32
I need a 300 - 450 utility quad and I dont really want automatic. Would prefer push button 4x4 but all time would work. I would go for the Wolverine if they still made it in the utility form.
So please name some quads in this class and there top speeds. Thank you.
Posted by: zwc32
Thanks for the replies. I am Thinking of going with the Eiger. I have done some searches and the Eiger may be the 2nd fastest 400 to the BRP 400 and is cheaper. I am gonna get the manual Eiger hopefully. I read that the Eiger and the Wolverine are very close in top speed.
Posted by: metalgearquad
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Originally posted by: Silversteinfan
scrambler anyone?
A scrambler is no utility atv and not all that fast either
Posted by: metalgearquad
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Originally posted by: Silversteinfan
"A scrambler is no utility atv and not all that fast either"
So metalgearquad do you speak from experiance? Im Curious to know how you think this.
Yes I have a scrambler 500 h.o. no low gear so utility is out of the question and it is no faster than my 250ex
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Originally posted by: Silversteinfan
i agree with kodman. the 400s were very quick and yet are also utlilties. if your scrambler cant beat a 250ex then there is something wrong with it. Scramblers have the same if not almost similar trannies as explorers so theirs your low gear. i dont know whats going on but i and alot of others think the scrambler 400 and 500 are great sport/utilities.
Scramblers are good they still have no low gear for utility you just end up blowing a belt if you do anything to serious. The only thing we did to the scrambler was put a fmf pipe on it and ad a sprocket with a few more teeth on the rear which barely slowed it downed.
Posted by: Mainehunt
According to the speedometer on my machine, my 2000 Rancher 4x4 ES goes 51 mph.
This is on level pavement. When I tried it downhill on the road, it still maxed out at 51mph. Almost like it had a govenor of some kind.
Kev
Posted by: Mainehunt
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2005 Eiger stock GPS verified 59mph with 26 inch mudlites and my 240lb frame and about 10-15 pounds of gear in rear box. Remember an eiger is 376cc's. I would imagine with stock tires and a 170 pounder riding the bike could do 62-63mph no problem.
doesnt the larger tires throw the speedo off? pretty sure it does although i dont know if the reading you get is higher or lower than actual speed
i think its safe to say that a stock 350-450cc ute quad-thats not a big bear cuz they are geared low- will do 50-55mph
The larger diameter tires would definitely affect the speedometer. (Cause it to reader slower than real speed)
BUT....it would have no affect with checking the speed with a GPS which is what he said he used.
Kev
