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Posted by: 99MudKing
The SP 800 is a tough machine, just pricey like any of the other flagship quads.
The ACs have done well for themselves in the utility field... the HL mud nationals always show them as being at the top. ACs finished 1st, 2nd, AND 3rd in 2005... they did well this year, there just wasn't near as many there competing for some reason. Speed and sporty riding isn't their strong point... kinda hard when it's built with a monster suspension and huge ground clearance. The early V2s had some frame problems, but overall the ACs are built tough as tanks.
I don't know why some of you make a big deal about them using engines from other manufacturers... the engines they use are proven and bulletproof, so what's the big deal? It's the total package that you should look at anyway. If speed and sporty riding are your forte, AC is not for you. If heavy work, deep mud, and going places is yours, AC is at the top. They're still a young company in the ATV market who is in the process of builing their first engine plant, but have already released their first engine (the 650 H1). The H1 speaks for itself... no other quad out there can slap on 29.5 outlaws completely stock with no clearance issues and churn them with absolutely no belt problems or adjustments. They have the toughest belt drive transmission of any manufacturer out there period. With simple mods, they only get much stronger.
Flame suit on
Posted by: Dirtydude
V2 has done a few mods to his bike, so it would probably outrun any stock P700 and prolly outrun a stock Grizz
but that is ok, I got a few mods on my grizz now too so he ain't gonna catch me I'd out pull him on a drag, out run him on a trail, out corner, out preform him on the hills, leave him swearing on the sidehills all with out even breakin a sweat....
I'll be drinking a cold one at the finish line gigglin like a school girl as he drags his sorry puddy tat with it's tail between it legs home
Posted by: Dirtydude
Ya, too bad your so far away, I'd bet you'd be a blast to ride with
Posted by: Dirtydude
You know what would be cool on that AC V2 would be some adjustable shocks like those Rancho 9000's
You could hit a button and the shocks would get much stiffer and would shorten up a few inches, that would lower the quad and give it awesome handling...then hit another button and the shocks would get long and soft for some serious ground clearence
or you could go long and hard, or soft and short
which ever your perverted pleasure dictated!
Posted by: Dirtydude
ya I know,
Im a dreamer
Posted by: JimJa
I've got an 800 Sportsman in my garage right now...over winter storage for a good friend. I've got about 50 miles seat time on it too. I also own a AC 650V2, and a 800 Bomb. The comments above about the "utility" of the AC are exactly right. It's a work horse. I love the 4x4 system and locking font axle. If you haul, drag, and work an ATV, you can't do much better than an AC. It's IRS works very well on the technical stuff too. Lots of clearance, but that makes it tippy and it certainly doesn't handle the fast stuff as well as many others. The Duramatic auto trans on the H1 and 500 ACs is probably one of the best in the business, the Kawai auto on the V2, well, it's okay but certainly not as good as the Duramatic.
There are things I like about the 800 Polaris too. It's a much more comfortable machine on the trail. it is also much more nimble and feels a lot "sportier." There are two down sides that I personally don't like. One i don't see noted too much and that's the fuel consumption. It is a real gas hog...big time. And with only a 5.3 gal tank (AC 6.5 gal), everytime we ride the 800 is always the limiting factor. I also don't care for the AWD system but a lot of that depends upon the type of riding and trails you ride, it may not be an issue. If you've got steep hills, you'll quicly tire of the transmission clunk, clunk, clunk going down them.
Give some consideration to the dealer. If you've got a AC dealer with a great rep near by, you might want to consider an AC. The same holds true for the Polaris. I wouldn't want to drive 2 hours to get to a dealer I trusted, regardless of the brand, and particularly if another brand of quad was close to what I wanted/needed.
Posted by: JimJa
DDude,
The things you noted, and even more techo stuff as noted by others on other threads, are all well and good. Many we'd all like to have, but right now I believe the ATV industry is bumbing up against the dollar limit folks will pay. To paraphrase..."Speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?" Right now the high end are over $10K (800 XL bomb Max & LE). In a couple of years they could be at $14K due to normal annual inflation and the addition of a few gee wiz techo items.
Now factor in exactly where the industry as a whole is headed WRT areas available for riding, people (kids) killing themselves, the anti-quad groups and so on, well, you can bet the industry is watching very closely and I wouldn't think they are willing to go out on a limb too far. At the present time, once you bump up against that $12K-$13K mark you are getting into car territory and the market for ATVs is going to get pretty thin there. Not saying what you suggest wouldn't be nice - it would - just not sure the market is willing to pay for it in quanties large enough to make it economically viable.
Posted by: BigDog800EFI
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Originally posted by: v2rider
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Originally posted by: JCDEYO25
I got an 05 700 EFI and love it..........Stay clear of those kitty cats.......AC"s
John
That "kittycat" will bury your 700, ive already done it.
If you bash you must be trash. Seems I read that somewhere before.
Posted by: Chumley
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Originally posted by: Dirtydude
V2 has done a few mods to his bike, so it would probably outrun any stock P700 and prolly outrun a stock Grizz
Probably outrun a stock grizz? Probably?? A stock V2 will outrun a stock grizz, tack a couple mods on a V2 and the grizz is eating dust. I ride with two guys a lot, (04 V2, 04 Grizz) and the grizz brings up the rear every time. It's a nice wheeler but fast is not what it's built for, not what it is best at. The 650 H1 eats our dust too, that big single just can't keep up with the top end of the v-twin.
Suzuki isn't exactly competition, its a majority stock holder so I believe partner would be a better word. Kawie? Well, it's just a damn good engine, how can you blame them for using it?
Posted by: newbomber
The Bombardier Outlander 800EFI is the fastest and most powerful stock if that is what you are looking for. They (BRP) are also coming out with a new quad called the Renegade. It is a sport 4x4 with IRS and the 800 EFI engine that is in the outlander. You can read all about it on the bombardier forum. BRP is also going back to its roots and calling all of their new atv products Can-Am's after their old dirt bikes from the 70's.
Posted by: LawdogB2
Heopig, I replied in one of your other posts about my thoughts on the 800. I am sure that you have seen it. Some of us are here actually trying to be helpful instead of stirring crap.
Watch out JC, you will hurt some feelings. I agree though, I just can't get over buying a non-Kawi or Zuki quad with one of their engines in it. I know that everyone contracts their engines, but to go to a competing manufacturer for to get them? Seems self-defeating. If I want a Kawi or Zuki drive train, I will buy one. That helped to turn me away from the ACs. I did have the H1 pegged as #2 on my list though.
Posted by: LawdogB2
JC, I've not been around here very long, but you can always count on v2 to carry the AC flag into battle proudly. I kinda' respect the guy for it.
Posted by: LawdogB2
Well said JimJa. I had my choices narrowed between the H1 and the SP800. The fact that I have a reputable Polaris dealer 30 minutes from home was a pretty big factor in my decision. The Arctisaki Catzuki (sorry, couldn't resist) dealer is just as close but this guy sells motorcycles and whatever else he can make a dime on. Every time I went in to talk to him, I knew more than he did. That is pretty sad and scary. Either ride would have suited my needs but the Polaris wound up being the smarter choice for me.
Posted by: JCDEYO25
I got an 05 700 EFI and love it..........Stay clear of those kitty cats.......AC"s
John
Posted by: JCDEYO25
Dream on..........
Posted by: JCDEYO25
Whoa.......Hey I was just doing some friendly joking.........Don't take it too seriously........But there is alot more to 4 wheelers than just speed.......Plus I'm at least 100 lbs. heavier than you......
Posted by: JCDEYO25
I'm not one to trash talk other quads....I'm sure it's a great machine...... But my machine is far from stock.......
Posted by: hoepig
Hi Group,
I am thinking about getting a sportsman 800 and would like some honest opions from owners and others. How reliable, handling, etc.
Thanks in advance,
Hoepig
Posted by: v2rider
Another one bites the dust, another one bites the dust, ...........................
Posted by: v2rider
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Originally posted by: JCDEYO25
I got an 05 700 EFI and love it..........Stay clear of those kitty cats.......AC"s
John
That "kittycat" will bury your 700, ive already done it.
Posted by: v2rider
No Joke, and many people will verify, a 650V2 will out run a 700sp
Posted by: v2rider
lol true, but im really not shi**ng you
Posted by: v2rider
Very well put. I didnt know how to respond to ac using different motors. But i have no complaints! I like AC products alot, and will continue to buy them. I cant wait to see what type of motors they come out with when their plat is done.
Posted by: v2rider
Just ordered a moose module. Better rethink. It would be fun though to compare our addictions!!! lol
