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Posted by: cc1999
If they are not for racing then why are there so many GNCC race teams that race them. I have seen guy's race motorized bar stools, you can race anything. Its more of personal preffernce in what you like to ride. If power was not important there would not be a power war every year with the big company's trying to top each other and get the sales. Bomb just signed Mike Penland racing a few weeks ago, Penland brothers Racing will be running the new Bomb 800 ute. Bomb has also sponsored a teem for the Baha 1000 to ride the 800 ute. There are allot more fokes racing utes than you might think.
I preffer the KQ over the Brute for the use of EFI and better stability of the machine, The name Brute says it all for the way they ride. I love power more than anything but I have never been able to feel comforatable on a Brute 750i. To me the Brute needs so refignment or needs to go back to the SRA chassis. If your main goal is power then look at the BRP800, it has both power and arguably the best suspension in the industry.
Posted by: RedGoblin
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Originally posted by: Clubster
BF 750 = excellent machine with engine upgrades already out. VERY FAST!!
KQ 700 = no engine upgrades and less powerfull.
Oh, but the KingQuad is not an excellent machine? You failed to mention anything about the handling traits of your Brute Force compared to say a KingQuad? Yes, the Suzuki has power modifications available.
Posted by: RedGoblin
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Originally posted by: Clubster
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Originally posted by: RedGoblin
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Originally posted by: Clubster
BF 750 = excellent machine with engine upgrades already out. VERY FAST!!
KQ 700 = no engine upgrades and less powerfull.
Oh, but the KingQuad is not an excellent machine? You failed to mention anything about the handling traits of your Brute Force compared to say a KingQuad? Yes, the Suzuki has power modifications available.
Are you worked up because I didnt state the KQ is an "excellent machine"? Well "Grow up"!! As for more on the KQ it is a great machine but I feel the Brute is better in my opinion! Evidently you can boost the power on the KQ and evidently you can get better shocks to fix the BF's handling but that leads me to the same conclusion...the BF is still quicker! Handling is easy to fix but you still only have 700cc's on the KQ at the end of the day!
No, my friend, the handling on the Brute is not by any means easy to fix. I'm not hurt at all that you didn't call the King excellent, just confused because by calling only the Brute excellent, you are insinuating that the Suzuki is of poorer quality which is not true.
Posted by: RedGoblin
I'm done arguing, but on a totally different note I beg to differ that EVERY manufacturer makes a quality product. Won't point any fingers though.
Posted by: CaptainQuint
I've had some seat time on both and they both have their flaws.
BF: The Brute Force has mad power. Simply mad power. I like the 4x4 system very much. Good brakes, good build quality from what I observed recent recalls notwithstanding. The biggest disappointment for me was the handling. The one I rode had C series wheels and radials but it still handled like a pig. There was no way I could have lived with the handling. I don't understand why Kawasaki let the thing out of the factory handling like that. Some suspension tweaking and EFI would make the BF a real monster.
KQ: The KQ doesn't have the power but it handled much better. Worlds better in my opinion. Not as much power but much better mileage form all accounts and it has it's little annoyances too. I think that the handling more than makes up for the lack of power. The power thing can be corrected with an after market ECM which I'm sure someone has in the works. That said I'm told the BF's suspension related shortcomings can be corrected, albeit expensively, with aftermarket shocks and suspension parts.
Personally I'm not buying a new big bore ATV until I can get some seat time on a Bomber 800. If I had to choose right now it would probably be a KQ.
Posted by: Glenlivet
I just bought my first new ATV in 10 years and I tell you I researched the choice to DEATH! I took about three months at it and after narrowing it down, chose the King Quad, post bearing upgrade. I'd get sore fingers if I listed all the things I considered and compared, but must haves were: Good handling, good ground clearance, good hold-back on downhills, locking front diff, low c/g, plenty of power, comfort for long rides, and a stump-pulling low range.
The Honda Rubicon was a strong contender with it's awsome unbeatable tranny, but the 7.2 inch g/c rear axle and no front locker killed it off. The King Quad won the competition hands down. The fact it also has fuel injection, removing jetting concerns or cold start issues, and came with a free installed 2500 lb. Warn winch was icing on the cake!
The Brute Force didn't get out of the gate. The Brute Force has more power than the King Quad, that's right, but at such a sacrifice of other refinements it was almost immediately crossed off my list of contenders. I won't list shortcomings because that only stirs up resentment in BF owners and makes for needless argument, but suffice to say that I just read in another thread in the Suzuki forum that the writer's buddy has just traded in his '05 BF and got himself an '05 King Quad. A guy doesn't do that without a sound reason.
Young riders tend to be hypnotized by power, power is everything, power, power.
If a guy did nothing but burn around in a sand pit then perhaps a Brute Force would be a good choice, but then why would one buy a Utility quad for that? Get a Banshee or something and save all the extra money.
I am happy to say that I am perfectly satisfied with my KQ, and if some guy passes me on a B.F. then I will still be just as happy with my ATV.
Posted by: crblick
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Originally posted by: Clubster
Quite frankly when I state "I am going to beat my neighbors KQ again" it's in relation to quickness as opposed to top end. I agree 100% taking these big utilities and running them at high speeds is idiotic wheather it's a "utility" or "sport" atv. All I know is at the end of the day riding, I plan on comming home to my family with no broken bones or even worse. My question is, why do any of us buy new atv's unless you don't have one in the first place or yours is broke? It's because we are all obsesed with having the latest and greatest "the American way". If its a 400,500,600,660,700,750, or even 800 I guarantee they will work fine for the recreational rider, which is most of us weather you think so or not. For me the BF was the one for me and I have the money to fix any of its short commings "which I am doing now" but for some people it may be a different. That person will then need to choose which characteristics he/she is in need of more. No single ATV will give you it all. Right now the BF is the one for me but perhaps later this year or next I will purchase something else. Who knows! You guys need to lighten up and enjoy the sport with whatever you chose to ride and focus your anger on something more productive.
You pretty much just summed up why Honda is #1 in sales. The average Joe doesn't care if his quad will beat another, he cares if his quad is going to get that trialer of hay into the barn before those dark black clouds open up on him.
People need to realise that this board is full of ATV enthusiasts. This board does not represent the average ATV buyer. People buy ATVs for different reasons.
Buy what you need, not what other people tell you that you need.
Posted by: zorro700
Here we go again. Somebody got their feel bads hurt.
Posted by: Curls
Ah here we go again. I love this banter it keeps things lively and its why we have so many excellent quads in the market place right now. I grew up on 3-wheelers before quads and let's look at something. My first ATC was the biggest and baddest at the time, an impressive 110cc. No suspension and bend-o-matic front forks. Now we are arguing over the finer points of 50+Ponies, disc brakes, EFI, IRS, Locking diffs, etc...
Find a quad that fits you and ride the tires of it. I have a Grizz and a BF750 for big bores right now. They fit my riding and lifestyle well. In a year or two I'll look at everything and see what else is out there, but right now these are the best quads FOR ME!
Posted by: Clubster
BF 750 = excellent machine with engine upgrades already out. VERY FAST!!
KQ 700 = no engine upgrades and less powerfull.
Posted by: Clubster
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Originally posted by: RedGoblin
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Originally posted by: Clubster
BF 750 = excellent machine with engine upgrades already out. VERY FAST!!
KQ 700 = no engine upgrades and less powerfull.
Oh, but the KingQuad is not an excellent machine? You failed to mention anything about the handling traits of your Brute Force compared to say a KingQuad? Yes, the Suzuki has power modifications available.
Are you worked up because I didnt state the KQ is an "excellent machine"? Well "Grow up"!! As for more on the KQ it is a great machine but I feel the Brute is better in my opinion! Evidently you can boost the power on the KQ and evidently you can get better shocks to fix the BF's handling but that leads me to the same conclusion...the BF is still quicker! Handling is easy to fix but you still only have 700cc's on the KQ at the end of the day!
Posted by: Clubster
You can expect and get excellent quality from any of the ATV manufacturers today U.S., Canadian, or Japanese. I don't think quality is an issue with the KQ just less power for me. As far as suspension again, put different shocks on and you are good to go with the BF and still have more power than the KQ with most of todays mods. Quite frankly I am tired of debating an have better things to do like beat my neighbors KQ again. Take care!!
Posted by: Clubster
Quite frankly when I state "I am going to beat my neighbors KQ again" it's in relation to quickness as opposed to top end. I agree 100% taking these big utilities and running them at high speeds is idiotic wheather it's a "utility" or "sport" atv. All I know is at the end of the day riding, I plan on comming home to my family with no broken bones or even worse. My question is, why do any of us buy new atv's unless you don't have one in the first place or yours is broke? It's because we are all obsesed with having the latest and greatest "the American way". If its a 400,500,600,660,700,750, or even 800 I guarantee they will work fine for the recreational rider, which is most of us weather you think so or not. For me the BF was the one for me and I have the money to fix any of its short commings "which I am doing now" but for some people it may be a different. That person will then need to choose which characteristics he/she is in need of more. No single ATV will give you it all. Right now the BF is the one for me but perhaps later this year or next I will purchase something else. Who knows! You guys need to lighten up and enjoy the sport with whatever you chose to ride and focus your anger on something more productive.
Posted by: Clubster
Right on!!!!
Posted by: sorit22
This isn't meant to start arguments like most threads. Simply put, place your reasons after both ATV's and what each is oriented towards. People who own the quad, please state your use for each machine.Take the arguments over the PM system. This is a good, clean, thread.
Knock yo'selves out.
Posted by: spyder6
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Originally posted by: RedGoblin
I'm done arguing, but on a totally different note I beg to differ that EVERY manufacturer makes a quality product. Won't point any fingers though.
yep, those tiwanese companys sure do put out unrelliable quads BR>
Posted by: downeaster
BR>It seems that clubsters only way or rationing if an atv is any good is if he can beat his
neighbors atv in a short distance. This is a short coming on his part. It takes alot to
make an atv great, and what is considered great now, will be mediocre in a few years.
I have been searching out atvs to buy, and upgrade from and old trx300fw, that I
bought 12 years ago. Back then all there was for power was the 300's and 350's. I
was really impressed when they came out with the 400's. Well it seems now with
atv's being around the 700's anyone with a little higher cc automatically drops every
one else to a lower status. Phooey. Not everyone is into racing, and thank goodness
and the public at large would have really been down on the sport worse than it
is now. Youngsters seem to be enthralled with speed, and power, and tend to be
the most of our casualties, that make all atv look like death machines to those that
oppose them.
Now I want a new machine around 700's for riding trails. No, I don't need an big
bore for speed, but for the capability of having enough power to climb a steep
grade without losing the horses halfway up. I want to add larger tires for gc
and the capability to get through a questionable area without hanging up on
my undercarriage.
To all of this I see only a few machines that I like. Grizz, KQ, and Rubi. I like
the efi on the King, but am impressed at the style and capabilities of the Griz.
The Rube being less power, isn't a hinderence but riding on 3 wheels is,
however the tranny does make up for some of the other set backs. Well that is
how I see things.
Posted by: Grizzman42
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Originally posted by: Clubster
BF 750 = excellent machine with engine upgrades already out. VERY FAST!!
KQ 700 = no engine upgrades and less powerfull.
Oh, but the KingQuad is not an excellent machine? You failed to mention anything about the handling traits of your Brute Force compared to say a KingQuad? Yes, the Suzuki has power modifications available.
Are you worked up because I didnt state the KQ is an "excellent machine"? Well "Grow up"!! As for more on the KQ it is a great machine but I feel the Brute is better in my opinion! Evidently you can boost the power on the KQ and evidently you can get better shocks to fix the BF's handling but that leads me to the same conclusion...the BF is still quicker! Handling is easy to fix but you still only have 700cc's on the KQ at the end of the day!
if u want a fast quad get a sport. utes arent for racing buddy.
Posted by: Toyeboy
KQ is more practicle right now with the gas price around $3.00, and it isn't THAT much less powerful than a BF 750, I've heard KQ's being dead even with BF 750's in drags so the power difference isn't much in reality. What really matters to me is the overall package you get, a balance of great power, handling, EFI, and a 4x4 actuator that actually works instantly with the KQ.
Posted by: Toyeboy
if u want a fast quad get a sport. utes arent for racing buddy.
That's the way it should be but it's not anymore. With the size of engines manufacturers are putting in the Big bores it's starting to make people think they are buying a race quad, and with all that power it's fun to race other big bore quads to see how much more power they've got. I would've loved to get a sport quad because I love flat out speed and jumping, but I couldn't because I needed a quad for a combination of work and play, and I needed 4wd. But I think it's awesome now that I can get great speed from my work quad/mudding quad, and have fun racing it, these things are getting very fast...like the Outlander 800, 0-75mph in 10sec with 62hp why wouldn't someone want to race it!
Posted by: CaRider67
KQ-for riding
BF-for riding faster
Posted by: CaRider67
Find a quad that fits you and ride the tires of it. I have a Grizz and a BF750 for big bores right now. They fit my riding and lifestyle well. In a year or two I'll look at everything and see what else is out there, but right now these are the best quads FOR ME!
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YUP, pretty much sums it up. I've been through 5 quads in less then a year in a half trying to find that one that fits me. Even after five I can still find something in each one I wish were different/better/faster.
