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Posted by: hammer4
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Originally posted by: RedGoblin
I truly believe the Japanese machines are the pinnacle of build quality. With that said, I've heard a lot about the Rotax engines that Bombardier employs in some of their machines.
In some of their machines? Try all of their machines!Anyone who says they are not reliable obviously hasn't owned any of their products. I own 3 different bombardier products: an ATV, Snowmobile, and a outboard motor. They all run great.
Posted by: hammer4
The old Yamaha V-Max's with the pogo stick front suspension were notorious for blowing belts with low miles on them.
Posted by: DemonDS
If it wasnt for their reliable reputation BRP wouldnt sell many quads. The DS650 IS the single most RELIABLE sport quad period. The older BRP Ute's were very reliable. If you go to many quad pull's, you will see alot of the Traxxters being used because they were built for pure brute strength. As with any new desighn there are going to be a few kinks that will have to be worked out. I am sure the 800 will have one or two. IMHO Bomb is second to only Honda in reliability but Honda's should be reliable seeing how they have the same ol boring quads as always.
Posted by: Mdog
Canadian forresty service has 30,000 miles on one Traxter, Bomb has 125,000 on a test prototype. The DS 650 is the most trouble free sport quad and has more long distance race wins than any sport today. The Outlanders have had only a few minor problems that were covered under warranty( Japenese made voltage regulators, some struts, and unlubed swingarms all corrected on newer models). Don't forget Bombardier has more ATV of the Year awarwds than any manufacture since their inception in 1999. Want to bet the 800 Outlander will win ATV of the Year for 2006!!!!!!! Compare that record against any manufacture and factor in the high tech that these machines have and along with the best warranty the answer to the question is a simple yes to overall reliability.
Every manufacturer puts out a quality machine today even though some models have a few bugs.
Posted by: RedGoblin
I truly believe the Japanese machines are the pinnacle of build quality. With that said, I've heard a lot about the Rotax engines that Bombardier employs in some of their machines.
Posted by: alwaysride
my buddies outy 400 with 600 miles on it has had troubles. The idle has always been screwed up, a front strut blew at 500 and the voltage regualator just went bad on sunday and fried the battery with it at 600. So, maybe it is just having problems right know but i say it is not a realy reliable quad as of right now.
Posted by: alwaysride
so far from what ive seen, they are not really that reliable. I know this because the outy my buddy has, has broken twice and has a messed up carb. THat is from just easy trail riding. We dont ride mud. but whatever you wanna balieve.
Posted by: LittleBoy
Stumppullers1,
Don't worry about Pete16, many of us kind of realized through his speech that he is very narrow minded ,and that only Honda can make it and Bombardiers are real cancers. Well, luckily it is only the case for Smiths Fall, Ontario. As for my part of the country, they have more than proven their reliability to their owners. They're one of the most respected brand in the ATV departement for what concerns quality, engineering and of course reliability. As for the snowsleds, we have to be honest, it is pretty close between them and Yamaha. The Arctic Cat, yes they are fast, but are considered to be less reliable and they offer the weakest snowsled structure. And, you know like I know the new Outty 800 is built with the best of every component available in the ATV world, so why would it be so terrible? On less you live in Smiths Fall, Ontario!
Posted by: Stumppuller1
Pete, are you sure your canadian,
Wow, this dude is way off, the truth is Bombardier's sleds first outsell everything else in Ontario and Quebec, and have the best track record, 1 word ROTAX, I'm not even a sledder and I know that.
2nd, Bomb's Utes took over where Honda left off, I have a 02 Traxter XT and its the toughest quad I've ever owned. Honda live by there name, that's it, there so far behind in technology its nuts, they don't even have a diff locker yet, or even a front end that locks up, like the Visco Lock. I have 4200 hard miles on mine and have not changed anything at all.
As for the Outlander's, the main problem they have had is the Voltage Regulator's, but Bomb will replace it wiithout problems. The 800 is over priced in my opinion. 14. 000.00 is way too much for an ATV.
This Pete guy has must be 16 or something to come out with what he did, he's embarrassed us fellow Canadian's and I'm sorry for that, were not all perfect eh! : )
Posted by: Stumppuller1
Another thing, I never said Honda was junk, they just lack power, ride quality except for Rincon, locking front end and the big 1 POWER. I am not brand loyal either, as I'm going to be buying the Polaris 800 EFI to go with my trusty traxter XT. I am not french BTW, and yes quebec is probably the best Power Sports Province in Canada, not boring like Ontario, that's forsure, all flat land especially Eastern Ont. Quebec is the one who got ATVing to where it is in Canada and Sledding too, everyone comes over here for it as the land is AWESOME for it, we have the biggest trail system in the North America, heck even most of our cottagers are from Ont. why, Lakes, Mountains, lots of bush, and trails to explore that's why.
Quebec has hurt itself with the BS of language but it is the best province for power sports as it has tbe best and longest trails.
I just did 267km or 172 miles on the weekend in 1 day.
Back to the topic, Bombardier is the dominant for sleds, thats forsure, just look at the MX trac racing, there always on the potium.
I'm sure the Outlander 800 will have a couple of bugs, as most first years have some, I wonder about the EFI system, what are they using is it BOSCH like Polaris, the one Chev and Ford use, I've been told they had problems in the 90's with EFI and that's why they went back to carb. Can anyone give any info.
Posted by: Stumppuller1
Dude man, your embarrasing us, stop.
We have to thank Honda and Suzuki as they did start this whole thing, and it it wasn't for them who knows where it would be today.
If you have looked around, Quebec is the province for Power sports, they have the biggest network in North America and the most diverse terrain. Take a look at a Quebec Skidoo Map or ATV Map, its unbelieveable and I'm not saying it because I live here, its a fact everyone knows that unless your just plain ignorant.
You should really educate yourself before you flap off, I live on the border of Ottawa, even when it comes to down hill skiing, everyone comes to quebec, as we have the mountains and scenery.
Its nothhing for us to do 100 mile trips on a ATV and not hit the same place twice and sled well guys are easily doing 200 mile plus rides. Call Loiselle Sports in Embrun Ont. and ask, most Ontario riders that buy from them go to Quebec, its just that good and diverse. Educate yourself and stop sounding like a red neck, its people like you that make good Canadians look bad. But I guess there are people like this where ever you go.
Posted by: Stumppuller1
All I can say is 3 year BUMPER TO BUMPER, atleast they back there products. And I'm glad I finally proved my point about Quebec and Ontario, we'll leave it at that.
Bombardier is not even close to #1 on the charts but they are one tough machine and they stand by there products. The truly toughest ATV today is the Traxter, if your looking for tough this is it, just look at the frame on this thing. Its heavy but handles work like no other. If you want power and ride quality, go with the Outander series, and from what I hear they can work well too, and are backed by the best warranty in the business and they throw things in, not like honda.
Posted by: sorit22
with the intro of the new 800, I've seen not a whole lot of people had been focusing on their old utility models. But anyone know the build quality and reliability of Bombardier? I seem to believe they have the best tech no doubt, but how they stack againt the japs?or americans?
anyone know if the max versions of the bomb 800 are worth it?
Posted by: Steveo10
"BOMBARDIERS ARE NOT VERY RELIABLE" PERIOD
Wow what a strong opinion... the ds is big and bulky, but can keep on tickin. With 4 yrs of havin my ds, all i've changed is the brake pads and a fuse.
Posted by: 22bomb650
i rented a yamaha a new one and we drove to tahoe about 100 yards into my ride the belt blew up well this hapens so i replaced it but i didnt go any where because the retainer basket also blew up, rental or not this should not happen to a sled with less than 100 miles.
i also have a 02 ds650 baja an it has yet to break down
Posted by: PETE16
Bombs are NOT reliable at all. Although they are a Canadian company they do not have a reputation for being well built at all up here in Canada. In fact as far as ATV's are concerned I'd say they aren't too far from being as bad as Polaris'. Even their sleds have a horrible reputation here. They are always coming out with bigger machines than the competition and throw a longer warranty on them in an effort to spark sales. They also have a bit lower MSRP's and hand out many incentives like low financing. Their strategy may or may not be profitable, but I don't agree with it. I like Honda's strategy and that is to just build a better machine and people will pay a little more intial cost for better quality. We get that extra money back after the first year or so anyway when our Honda's have retained their value so much more.
Posted by: PETE16
Around this part of Ontario ROTAX is considered junk. There always broke down at our regular drags, and do not hold a candle to Yamaha, or AC sleds for that matter. You must be a typical frenchman, did you vote to separate? I understand you love Quebec yah! yah! So you own a good Bomb quad in your opinion. That's one! Honda's reliabilty has been built on years of proven machines and generally speaking I don't think Bombardier would be considered more reliable than Honda anyone who honestly believes that can't be very knowledgable about ATV's in general. You say Honda is not reliable because they don't have a difflock on their quadswhat a brilliant statement! Enjoy your heavy turtle. BYT 16 was my hockey # not my age and it's obvious your not a sledder or you would be aware of how frequently ski-doos are seen stranded on the side of a trail.
Posted by: PETE16
okay you got me. I give up BOMBARDIERare the most reliable sleds and atv's in the world your story of Quebec powersports and their trail system has convinced me we don't have rocks, trees, lakes, hills, or even a pulse here in Ontario! My local dealer sells Honda, Zuki, Kawi, and Bomb...he tell's me he sells a fair bit of ski-doos but hardly any Bomb ATV's. I guess people see them beside the other 3 and after they test drive them they aren't interested. Enjoy your heavy turtle on the wonderfull trail system in Quebec and thank you for convincing HONDA to sell those little red 3-wheelers way back in the early 80's, which eventually resulted in them (and other Jap manufacturers) making quads and selling them to us Amish here in Ontario. Way to go BOMB I owe one of my biggest enjoyments in life to a french company
Posted by: PETE16
Dude man, Dude man...are you toking on a dwebe or what dude? I am aware of the trail system in PQ! the question was are Bomb ATV's reliable! In my opinion I wouldn't want to count on one, especially when there are other japanese quads that are more reliable. I know them at Loiselle and have spoken to Allan several times, in fact I almost bought my most recent quad there. Since you know everything then you must know that they sell Honada's at Loiselle too. You ask Allan what ATV's he thinks are the most reliable and what he sells more of Seems to me that we are dealing with a narrow minded Quebecer that flaps off in Dude language but considers himself a good Canadian sorry pal but that doesn't qualify you. Your right though I am a redneck!
Posted by: PETE16
yah! they throw things in to try to spark sales, that was my point earlier. Honda does not need to do that. They also give the three year warranty to boost sales, not because they are so confident in their product. Why don't they just build a better quad eh! A traxter is not as TOUGH as a FOREMAN....nothing ever has been or will be. The three warranty is also intended to help shake that awfull rep they had with regard to the piss poor quads they were building the first 3-4 years. You did not prove any point about Quebec trails, as I said I am aware of them and the terrain in Quebec. I travel to Tremblant regularily to ski and golf so I have never been ignorant to activities available in Quebec. You just got side tracked from the original topic, and in my opinion "BOMBARDIERS ARE NOT VERY RELIABLE" PERIOD
Posted by: PETE16
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Originally posted by: Steveo10
"BOMBARDIERS ARE NOT VERY RELIABLE" PERIOD
Wow what a strong opinion... the ds is big and bulky, but can keep on tickin. With 4 yrs of havin my ds, all i've changed is the brake pads and a fuse.
I admit my statement was not based on experience, and I really don't no alot about sport quads or the DS. I've really only been around utility quads,and do have a good 20 years of experience with them. I am obviously dealing with alot of BRP lovers here and that's fine. I just through my opinion out there and you guys don't need to be insulted and just ignore it for that matter. My statement is however based on what I've been told on a regular basis, witnessed myself (in terms of seeing guys broken down) and I have 4 different multi brand dealerships fairly close and they all have said the same thing about BRP. When they all sell several different brands they don't care which one they sell you, so I take them to be fairly truthfull. Go to the "BEST BUILD QUALITY AND/OR RELIABILTY" thread and see what the general consensus is there. I don't think you will find that its Bombardier! BTW it's in the "UTILITY QUADS" section, and if you want discuss reliability of the DS since that's the one that's so great I believe that would be done in the SPORT QUAD section.
Posted by: PETE16
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Originally posted by: LittleBoy
Stumppullers1,
Don't worry about Pete16, many of us kind of realized through his speech that he is very narrow minded ,and that only Honda can make it and Bombardiers are real cancers. Well, luckily it is only the case for Smiths Fall, Ontario. As for my part of the country, they have more than proven their reliability to their owners. They're one of the most respected brand in the ATV departement for what concerns quality, engineering and of course reliability. As for the snowsleds, we have to be honest, it is pretty close between them and Yamaha. The Arctic Cat, yes they are fast, but are considered to be less reliable and they offer the weakest snowsled structure. And, you know like I know the new Outty 800 is built with the best of every component available in the ATV world, so why would it be so terrible? On less you live in Smiths Fall, Ontario!
Oh BTW littleboy, Smiths Falls is spelled with an "S" not Smiths Fall. I realize Quebecers can have problems with certain letters in the english language though. Ski-Doo's are nowhere near the quality of Yamaha sleds! Lets not get too carried away when you say "most respected brands in the ATV department" lets see they've been making quads since when? Let's talk about reliablity in 20 years and then maybe BRP could possibly gain some respect.
Posted by: CaRider67
You just got side tracked from the original topic, and in my opinion "BOMBARDIERS ARE NOT VERY RELIABLE" PERIOD
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Do you own one? The DS650 was the ONLY quad to finish the Dakkar rally last year, I repeat, THE ONLY QUAD TO FINISH not a HONDEA or YAMAHA or SUZUKI but a BOMBARDIER! I have both the DS and Outlander models and have really had no problems, blown tire, dead battery and that's really about it. What is your point of reference? Obviously it's not first hand experience since you don't seem to own a BRP product. I have yet to have a single manufacturer problem cause a breakdown, only time stranded were rider errors, not the fault of the machine and my Outlander has been crashed pretty hard with zero mechanical problems, same with the DS rolled down a trail 20 ft and the only problems was a broken seat latch and some dirt in the controls, hell it never missed a beat. Compare the IRS on the Outlander to any quad, nobody comes close. The dealer I had my quads serviced at said that other then routine maintenance he hardly ever sees them for repairs...He said he has never even had to take a Rotax apart.
Again, what is your point of reference? I'm sharing first hand experience here, OH, BTW, I have a brand new HONDA Rincon that I have to take in after only 28 miles cause it sputters and stalls under semi hard braking then is hard to get started. It also stalls on hard acceleration until it's bee ridden for about a half hour, that can't be normal. Brand new, taken out of the crate less then three weeks ago. I'm not really worried, probably a simple adjustment but might as well take advantage of the warranty....OH, ONE MORE thing, Honda is offering a 2 yr warranty for $69 right now and $39 pmts. Oh, lower MSRP?? THEN WHAT? They are as much if not more then anything in their respective sizes/class.
Again, your point of reference please??
Posted by: hellyeah
everyone that thinks a Bomb isn't reliable, is out their freakin mind. It's just odd that Bomb happens to be so dominate in motorsports since some claim outrageous accusations. I've owned Bomb products and they kick ace all day long. Run like a bat out of hell and keep running like a bat outta hell. I never had any problems. Bomb is the "Bomb". Like if A=B then B=A.
Posted by: KrazeMudder
I believe every machine has pro's and con's and some machines will go befor others for example 2 atvs that are the same, put them threw the same test and they will have problems sooner of later but not at the same time and maybe not the same problem. Some atvs are just lemons and bad workmanship by who ever put it together. You will see every rider has different opinion of every brand due to some go befor other and due to every one not being the same and having different peferences. They seem to have a few probs the 800 bomb, but don't aspect any atv you get to be problem free especial polairs lol
