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Posted by: cc1999
I am going to be different here, and say if I had to pic from just those three I think I would lean toward the honda. It has the best suspension of the three and showes in how it handles. I have never cared for that high seating position on the other two. The new BRP 800 has the best features of all three of these rolled up into one awsome quad, but it will and I mean will cost you.
Posted by: cc1999
My dad has both a brute and a king, I did not care for either one of them. I likened the King to the 660 grizz I had a few years ago. I like the power of the BF750 but hated the suspension IMO the BF has about the worst suspension I have ever experinced. If I wanted to do some serious mods to one I would look at the BF closer but it looks like it would take at least a grand, to fix it or the king to more my liking and taht being the case I would rather have the twin and the extra power over the king. I am sorry the king just never impressed me that much past the EFI.
Posted by: cc1999
Sorry goblin, not trying to offend you, just being honest about what I felt. They both handle ok, to me not good but not bad either. They have that tall seating position that I just do not care for. I am not a big fan of IRS because, that is what normaly happens with the exception of Honda and BRP. I also felt it was similar in that it seems to have that same vibration that seems to come with the territory of big singles. I am not the first or the only one that saw similarties in the the handeling of grizz and King. I thought you sould know I am on Nyroc's site about everyday and have been for some time. So if it comes up you should know I would give the same answer there as I have here. Also you might not have noticed but it would seem that nyroc himself has backed way off on his opinion of the king at least he does not seem to be raving about it much anymore, last I checked he never did go ahead and buy one.
Posted by: cc1999
I never said it was a bad quad either, I said it was ok, Not good, and Not bad IMO. The main thing I liked about it was the EFI but the other things I did not care for did not get out weighed by the EFI which is why I did not jump on the KQ band wagon and why I did not run out and buy one. The BRP 800 is the quad to meet all challengers head on and roll right over some of them IMO. This is going to be an interesting year in the shootouts. Last year when BRP said they were not competing in them but would be back with a real contender next year, it would seem that they were not kidding one bit.
Posted by: kawasaskirules
the king is slow
Posted by: kawasaskirules
never said the kodiak is a speed demon....
isn't the polaris 800 faster than "the king"?
i've heard the king has low end miss and cant pull a wheelie in high gear etc..
Posted by: RedGoblin
Chalk up another point for the King. It doesn't really excel in anything, but it does everything awesome. Don't let the Brute Force owners in the Kawi forum tell you it's slow. It can touch the mid 70s and get there in a hurry. You may also hear about the low-end lag, but believe me, it's not nearly as bad as one may think. I can pop a wheelie in low with some body english and I only weigh 135 lbs. PM me if you have any specific questions.
Posted by: RedGoblin
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Originally posted by: kawasaskirules
the king is slow
And your Kodiak is just a speed demon.....
Posted by: RedGoblin
Really, the only 4x4s that are faster stock for stock are the Brute Force and the new Bombardier and that says quite a bit. You sacrifice some things for the extra power of the Brute, including some money and the Bomb hasn't even been released I don't believe. The King WILL NOT disappoint.
Posted by: RedGoblin
I forgot the 800 Sportsman, it may be faster as well but I'm not sure. That low-end "lag" is not nearly as dramatic as most make it seem and I can pull a wheelie in low range by pulling back on the bars and I only weigh 135.
Posted by: RedGoblin
Another thing I forgot and certainly something to keep in mind if you're like me, the Kawasaki CVT is high-maintenance in comparison to the Suzuki or a Yamaha. The belt must be adjusted every once in awhile and this is not an easy process if you aren't mechanically-inclined. You can look at the procedure on the Nyroc's website under Prairie 650 tech tips. The Suzuki has no maintenance for at least 2000 miles, but almost always well over that and then you just replace the belt when it's ready. The Honda of course, doesn't use a belt at all but that transmission has it's quirks as well. The belt was a deciding factor for me because I do not really have the time nor the desire to be tinkering with the CVT after being used to an essentially maintenance-free Honda.
Posted by: RedGoblin
Have you come to a conclusion yet sorit?
Posted by: RedGoblin
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Originally posted by: DaRiot
You mean to tell me that in low range you have to pull on the bars and you only weigh 135? My p700 will wheelie in High Range with me leaning over the bars... and I weigh 180#
I see that you have a module and even a flywheel key. My King is completely stock and just like your Prairie 700, the timing was detuned right from the factory so people who don't know what they're doing do not go out and flip it over on top of themselves. Eventually there will be an ignition module out for the KingQuad, but right now low range is all I can manage. I've ridden a stock Prairie 700 and it was only slightly meaner off the bottom than the King. I could not pull a wheelie any easier on it than I can my King. True story.
Posted by: RedGoblin
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Originally posted by: cc1999
I am going to be different here, and say if I had to pic from just those three I think I would lean toward the honda. It has the best suspension of the three and showes in how it handles. I have never cared for that high seating position on the other two.
High seating position? Have you ridden a KingQuad?
Posted by: RedGoblin
My friend has a Grizzly which I have put a fair amount of seat time on and I just cannot see how you compare the Grizzly handling to that of a KingQuad. Maybe this is why a lot of the hardcore King riders left this forum for Nyroc's. Too much bs floating around about the KingQuad on this forum.
Posted by: RedGoblin
I never said it would have the low-end torque of the V-twins. However, you better believe that once the aftermarket comes out with a module, this thing will flip over on top of you if you want it to. I've seen ride reviews from guys who rode it before it was in production and the lag was not incorporated into the ignition then. Nyroc told me on June 30th that the only reason he's stopped talking about the KingQuad is because of the Outlander 800. This does not make the Suzuki a bad quad.
Posted by: RedGoblin
That may be because sorit22 was not even aware of the new Bombardier.
Posted by: RedGoblin
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Originally posted by: bruteforcebob
I own a brute my buddy owns a king and I can eat him going anywhere in the mud the pull diff lock on mine kills his mine is faster more powerful, has better motor braking and doenst lag near as much with tire swaps, as far as the honda I dont think its even in the same catagory as the brute or king wich are both great quads but the big kicker is 22 days after his warranty went out it cost almost 1500 bucks to fix his fuel injection... now I havnt had any probs with my belt but I know at 22 dollars a belt I can replace a crap load of them for that price along with all new shocks and whatever else goes wrong... just cant beat the V-Twin with my 28inch Highlifter outlaw mud tires I can be going 2 or 3mph and just punch it and the brute starts to wheelie and not only starts but rides a wheelie ... so its your pick... you can have the quad built for the old guys(the King) or the quad that turned the whole sport utility market on its back and started anew. (gotta love the brute)
Go out and race your buddy on the trails and let me know who eats who. Glad to hear that you like your machine, but what you've successfully gained in power over your friend, you've successfully lost in everything else to your friend. Once a timing device comes out for the King, the Brute will probably still have the King beat off the line, but the difference will be made miniscule until the King eventually overtakes it on top-end.
Posted by: RedGoblin
It's likely due to the crappy ECMs that Suzuki has built out-of-house. If he truly has something wrong with the fuel-injection itself and not the electronics controlling it, it's certainly the very first occassion I've heard of it.
Posted by: DaRiot
You mean to tell me that in low range you have to pull on the bars and you only weigh 135? My p700 will wheelie in High Range with me leaning over the bars... and I weigh 180#
Posted by: DaRiot
True I do have these mods but I also have a very heavy winch up front and significantly heavier tires than stock. All I am saying is that regardless of what is done to a KQ it can never have the bottom end grunt that the v-twin has.
Posted by: sorit22
In the time for buying a new quad. Can anyoone reccomend any quad out of the brute force 750, kingquad 700, and rincon? Hows the new suzuki? I want comfort, big size, and power. I like the brute force looks. HELP!!!!!
Posted by: sorit22
Thnaks guys. I really appreciate your help!
Posted by: sorit22
hehehehehe......
Posted by: sorit22
True, true....
Posted by: XtremeSkier
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Originally posted by: spyder6
or the polaris...
i was waiting for some1 to mention the
Tough est quads out there
Posted by: XtremeSkier
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Originally posted by: spyder6
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Originally posted by: Bubbaman
Too bad Bombardier didn't go to the two lever brake controls. In rough terrain, I don't want equal braking at the front and rear. It's kinda handy in the easy stuff, but not on the "black" trails.
they'll have spliceing kits out soon enough young padwan hr>
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Posted by: spyder6
or the polaris...
Posted by: spyder6
i love my 800 to death and its by far the best and sportyest UTE ive EVER ridden, but this Outlander looks so promiceing and... FUN and... light... maybe i should trade her in on a outlander in the spring..., after all i do get dealer discount
Posted by: spyder6
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Originally posted by: Bubbaman
Too bad Bombardier didn't go to the two lever brake controls. In rough terrain, I don't want equal braking at the front and rear. It's kinda handy in the easy stuff, but not on the "black" trails.
they'll have spliceing kits out soon enough young padwan
Posted by: garrett5462
kq or bf 750
Posted by: KazeMudder
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Originally posted by: LoveRidinA220
kawasaki all the way
whats are u on ?
Posted by: KazeMudder
the best atv out there is a suzuki king quad and don't say 800 bomb it's not out yet and in so when it is i from what i read i perfer the king quad , bomb 800 = yucky poopy boat with wheels hahah
Posted by: Toyeboy
I haven't ridden the Brute Force or Rincon but I do own a King Quad. It is a very powerful quad and its throttle is very responsive and at times feels closer to a sport quad than a utility. But don't get me wrong it can do all the things a utility quad is suppose to do and it does them very well. One big thing that sets it apart is the fact that it's Fuel Injected, which means better gas mileage, better throttle response and easier starting, choke is never needed. Comfort wise I don't know how it compares to the others but it feels great to me, it's very easy to steer and handle and it's a comfortable ride. The sizes are very close in comparision. They are all big machines, and they all weigh around 600lbs, the Brute may be the biggest though. Personally I love the looks of the King Quad. It's rounded body lines and the polished exhaust really makes it look good. Also it is quite a bit cheaper than the other two. So I would strongly recommend this quad.
Posted by: Toyeboy
sorit22, don't listen to kawasaskirules the King Quad isn't slow! Listen to the guys that actually have one.
Posted by: Toyeboy
I agree with KazeMudder! Besides, the Bombardier isn't even what this thread was asking about---Brute Force 750, Kingquad 700, or Rincon?
Posted by: bruteforcebob
I own a brute my buddy owns a king and I can eat him going anywhere in the mud the pull diff lock on mine kills his mine is faster more powerful, has better motor braking and doenst lag near as much with tire swaps, as far as the honda I dont think its even in the same catagory as the brute or king wich are both great quads but the big kicker is 22 days after his warranty went out it cost almost 1500 bucks to fix his fuel injection... now I havnt had any probs with my belt but I know at 22 dollars a belt I can replace a crap load of them for that price along with all new shocks and whatever else goes wrong... just cant beat the V-Twin with my 28inch Highlifter outlaw mud tires I can be going 2 or 3mph and just punch it and the brute starts to wheelie and not only starts but rides a wheelie ... so its your pick... you can have the quad built for the old guys(the King) or the quad that turned the whole sport utility market on its back and started anew. (gotta love the brute)
Posted by: bruteforcebob
you put a set of supergrip wheels and the king has no chance of being more stable I'll admit that from the factory there is ALOT Of holy #&(% time when you go through the trails... my supergrip wheels have a 1inch offset so +2 overall with the wheels on and his king cant keep up... and by the way his fuel injection started acting up again not as bad but still in the shop AGAIN!
Posted by: bruteforcebob
now I'm not trying to talk trash on the King... its a good bike I am a Zuki lover from way back but it can never compare to the brute on power... you said if you put a CDI on it it will take it over... but what if you put a CDI on a brute ? I have one on mine now and there isnt a stock brute out there that can come close to it it really makes a HUGE difference in any quad with a CDI but stock to stock the king just cant compete on power shure the handling from the factory is better but with a set of REAL tires and wheel on a brute its a totally differnt bike ... one thing I will give zuki they are more plush than the Kaw.
Posted by: Kodiak660
As most 4x4 ATV riders know if you ride trails your average speed at the end of the day will be around 12 mph....so I really dont see what speed has to do with any 4x4 quad being good or not.
I own a 03 grizz and the King Quads I ride with do an awsome job in the rough stuff.....if I didnt have a Grizz and was looking for a new quad I would get the King Quad.
Posted by: LoveRidinA220
kawasaki all the way
Posted by: Bubbaman
Will the '06 Brute still have the generic diff loc handle? The King is best when considering everything. Very sporty, very stable, very high-tech (no diff lock handle, etc.). If you want a sport bike..... buy one.
Posted by: Bubbaman
Too bad Bombardier didn't go to the two lever brake controls. In rough terrain, I don't want equal braking at the front and rear. It's kinda handy in the easy stuff, but not on the "black" trails.
Posted by: Bubbaman
Not a padwan, but a born-again, Holy Ghost filled child of the one true God.
