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Posted by: Mag500
My dad is looking to replace his 2001 Sportsman 700 sometime in the next month or two. We mainly use our ATV's for herding cattle, checking pasture fences, spraying with a 20 gallon sprayer on the back, pulling rock wagons from time to time, and also just having fun blazing trails and climbing lots of hills.
We have been looking, specifically at the new Sportsman 800 and the Kawasaki Brute Force. I favor the Brute Force, because of our bad experience with Polaris reliability in the past. (it is also 600 pounds, which is a nice change) My dad favors the Sportsman because of the EFI (the BF had trouble starting on the show room floor, and the SP fired on the first revolution of the motor) and because he love the 'ride' of his 700.
Can you please tell me what your experiences with these two ATVs have been. Which do you recommend, and why? I am more interested in personal experiences rather than magazine hype.
Also, what about the new Bombardier? Is it worth the wait? When will it be available to consumers?
By the way, which ever model he picks, he has already decided to get 27 inch ITP mud tires on it. (incase that makes a difference)
Thanks.
ps. the Brute Force, on the showroom floor, was making a weird sound on teh show room floor. The dealer said it was the electronic 4wd hubs trying to decide whether they wanted to be in 2wd or 4wd. Has this been a problem for BF owners?
Posted by: Starky
I have to agree with Master400. If you just want to spend more money, then the BF or 800 is the right choice, but there isn't anything that they can do that the Grizzly cant do just as well. Maybe in a drag race the BF and the 800 may win by a few feet, but some how I don't think that is what people buy utility quads for.
I'm not trying to sell anyone a Grizzly, I'm just saying bigger isn't better, it just costs more.
Posted by: Starky
Master, I understand your passion for the Grizzly, but you need to back up your comments with some facts. Just saying yamaha is the best doesn't really hold any water. In magazine tests, the Grizzly rates about in the middle of the pack. I believe their tests are as non-biased as you are going to get, even though some people don't believe that.
I believe the Grizzly is the best quad on the market, that is why i bought 2 of them. Others believe theirs is the best and so they should.
Posted by: polaris5610
I haven't heard of any problems with the Sportsman 800, seems to be very reliable. I have no experance on the BF. The Sportsman doesn't feel like a 765lbs bike, and has all the power in the world. It drives very smooth, and rides awesome. I say test drive both and go from there.
Posted by: RedGoblin
Yes, it is a dead issue. Suzuki recalled their old ECMs and put in different ones that put a limiter on the reverse, no matter how much you try to abuse it. So even if you have the out-of-date reverse parts, there's a limit on how much abuse you can put them through because of a new ECM. Of course Suzuki is not going to fix it until it breaks. Imagine you own a shop and someone comes to you and says "Do something about this because other people have had it break and I don't want mine to!" Master: if you're ever in central Illinois, I'll show you firsthand that your Grizzly doesn't have as much guts as a KingQuad. Don't get me wrong, a Grizz is a good machine, my friend has one. However, to say they're the same in power is a false claim. Bad shifting? What the hell are you talking about, seriously? As far as the Grizz holding an extra gallon of fuel; I ride with a Grizz as I stated earlier and he has to stop much more than I do for gas. EFI means good fuel mileage. It's almost on par with my old Rubicon.
Posted by: RedGoblin
Mag, if I were you or your dad, I would at least give the KingQuad a look. It will handle all the utility chores and play out on the trails and hills twice as well as your Polaris did.
Posted by: RedGoblin
Do you know what it takes for the reverse to go out?
Posted by: RedGoblin
I would like to direct all those who are opposed to me saying that the reverse issue is done over to Nyroc's forum. It's atv.dnsalias.com. Please refer to the thread entitled "brute force vs. kingquad final draw" and look at some of the later posts. Many people consider Nyroc to be a very informative and influential figure on ATVs from what he has done on this forum before he left it. He is currently wanting to buy a KingQuad in the worst way and has kept up with every update and knows as much or more about them than any King owner. He is fully aware of the reverse "issues." I would like you to see his take on the situation, as well as Bleedsblue's. After you've seen this, I would then like to point you to a thread entitled "need kq advice" in the HighLifter forum. Maybe then you'll see what I mean. CaptainQuint says anyone who knowingly purchased a King with the old vin is utterly stupid. Well I'm one of them and I have absolutely NO regrets or even second thoughts.
Posted by: RedGoblin
All I want to say is that if you are split between a Grizzly and a KingQuad, it would absolutely have to be the KingQuad in my honest opinion. I have ridden a Grizzly many a time because my friend has one and they are a very nice machine. They are the same price and all the KingQuad is, is an improved Grizzly in every aspect. Better power, better suspension, better handling, EFI and a sealed clutch-type rear brake system that requires absolutely no maintenance until 6,000 miles under normal riding conditions. For the same MSRP as the Grizzly, I just think the choice is so clear. The only thing the Grizz may have going for it over the King is that it has a slightly smoother ride, but it sacrifices good handling and stability for that. You can say I'm biased towards a King all you want because I own one, but I was in your shoes just a month ago and I got the Suzuki for a reason. I did TONS of research and you won't go wrong with a King if you like both it and the Grizzly. Goblin= 2 cents
Posted by: RedGoblin
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Originally posted by: dshoe
Goblin:
MSRP cannot really be argued in this case. I live in California, where everything is over-priced with respect to other parts of the country. Dealers out here won't drop much below MSRP. However, I am originally from KY and I will be travelling back that way for the holidays. If I want a Grizzly, I can swing by Abernathy's and pick one up at over a thousand off of MSRP. I haven't been able to find any such deals on the KQ. That actually means that I could have a Grizz for a whole lot less than a KQ. Price is not a huge issue though, but being able to save multi-hundreds on price can tend to sway me from one bike to another. I see that you are in Illinois. Any good deals that you know of on the KQ back that way (a deal comparable to Abernathy's)?
dshoe
The best deal we found, especially if you're coming from the west, was at any of the three Pro Cycles in Missouri. I know one was in Columbia and there were two more, but if you get ahold of them I'm sure you can find the others. All the same price though and I believe it really was a great price for a King unless they've upped it since.
Posted by: RedGoblin
The Grizz has dual carbs?
Posted by: CaptainQuint
I'd wait on the new 800 Bomber. Looks to be a step ahead of everything else. I'm going to wait until nov or dec so I can try to get some ass time on it first. A friend rode one a week or so ago and said he was simply blown away. He's not easily impressed. I thinnk it'll pay me to wait a couple of months.
Posted by: CaptainQuint
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Originally posted by: Toyeboy
Bad shifting and reverse?.....The reverse problem is a dead issue a problem that was addressed and fixed a few months after the KQ was released and where'd you hear the KQ has bad shifting..I have no complaints about shifting, it works great.
Not dead issue if you have one of the defective reverse gears lurking in your transmission waiting to explode. Suzuki specifically will not fix it unless it blows up and leaves you stranded or injured.
It isn't a dead issue because I'll bet that there are still some of those defective models still sitting on dealer showrooms floors and still being sold to unsuspecting buyers. Suzuki shouldn't be given a pass on that and people buying a KQ should be aware of it not just told "oh its a dead issue don't worry about it just buy the KQ I have one and its the best ever!!!111!!1!" Also if a person is buying a used model they REALLY need be aware of it. The cost of having the dealer replace the gear if it is out of warranty is astronomical. It has been quoted on the board here and others places as over $2500 dollars to replace!
It also isn't a dead issue because it shows what Suzuki may do if some other defect crops up which is something that should give any potential buyer pause.
Posted by: CaptainQuint
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Originally posted by: RedGoblin
Yes, it is a dead issue. Suzuki recalled their old ECMs and put in different ones that put a limiter on the reverse, no matter how much you try to abuse it. So even if you have the out-of-date reverse parts, there's a limit on how much abuse you can put them through because of a new ECM. Of course Suzuki is not going to fix it until it breaks. Imagine you own a shop and someone comes to you and says "Do something about this because other people have had it break and I don't want mine to!
No, it is far from a dead issue. People who are buying old stock or buying a used atv need to be aware of it.
The crippling of the reverse does nothing to solve the problem. There have been people who have blown the reverse after getting the new ECM. The design of the gear is defective and all the dicking around with the ECM hasn't changed the fact.
Suzuki should have fixed the defect and not sold the defective ones they had in the pipeline to unsuspecting consumers. They should have done the right thing and recalled all of the bikes with the defective gear and replaced it with the redesigned one. Instead they listened to their lawyers and accountants and decided to screw folks that unknowingly plunked down thousands of dollars on a machine with a known and acknowledged defect that Suzuki refuses to fix.
Vehicle manufacturers find defects in their products all the time. I had several vehicles that have had to have things replaced because a defective part even though it hadn't actually gone bad yet. I had one car that had the entire engine replaced due to a possible internal defect. It ran fine and I had no problems with it but the engine was replaced anyway.
Is the current KQ a good ATV? Yes and if I were to buy an atv at this moment I may very well buy a KQ.
Would I buy one with a "bad" vin? Absolutely not. Knowingly doing so would be stupid.
Do I trust Suzuki to do the right thing if something else crops up in the future? No. and that certainly gives me second thoughts about buying one.
Posted by: CaptainQuint
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Originally posted by: RedGoblin
Do you know what it takes for the reverse to go out?
From the reports that we were hearing on his forum and others it could happen with normal use. The guy I know personally who had his blow was simply backing up in front of his garage. He had the ECM fix too.
The bottom line is that Suzuki has knowingly sold machines with defective reverse gears and they refuse to fix them unless they break. That fact in indisputable.
Contrast that with Kawasaki who just recalled their Brute Force line to have the defective steering components replaced:
BF recall
Posted by: LittleBoy
I also believe that Bombardier Outlander 800efi is the best big bore atv on the market right now!
Try it, and you will see! I'm also an atv 4x4 big bore enthusiast and tried every one of them out there, and the Outty 800 is simply phenomenal!
Posted by: weez440
the kawi v-twin motor is smooth specially under alot of throttle. for what you guys are looking for you would need ground clearance and accessability and reliability. well for reliability i can tell ya first hand polaris is out of the race sorry you hardcore polaris guys i worked there drove their machines and never again. the bf is a heck of a machine but if you want good power (not as much as the 800 or the bf) but really good wheeliestanding power with accessability don't rule out the grizz or the 650 arctic cat. arctic has the mrp platform which is perfect for spraying and yardwork and hunting fishing whatnot depends on what accessories you want. the grizz is a good solid machine with as good of ground clearance as the polaris and arctic. they both have their minor infractions but they keep improving on them and since 04 both yami and arctic are at the top of their game.
Posted by: weez440
the grizz does not have the most ground clearance what do they have about 11 and a half inches mine came with 12 and a half inches. so you are wrong there. i know that my 650 and the grizz are right on darn near the closest for power wise i take it on bottom end and top end for about 5 mph in mid range the grizz has a lil more then i take over again and i got bigger tires. when it comes to the rough and tough stuff if you are gonna drive slow get the polaris. if you are gonna ride hard and aggressive get the arctic cat if you are gonna be anywhere in between get any of the other independets. no offense towards the grizz but i did this homework a lil while ago. grizz is an awesome machine and yes it does have more get up and go then the 700 sportsman and so does the 650 cat with kawi's motor in it which is the smoothest motor on the market and i can tell ya why polaris doesn't have a v-series motor but anyways just a lil bit of input. and my 650 showed stock with 26 inch tires at doing 68 mph and i was still faster then the grizz by a lil bit so i have a hard time believing in 70 mph.
Posted by: 4wheelerfred
drove a brute last week, it was fast OMG! but is made to meny funny noises. it turned like it had 4 difrent sized tires... and it bounced alot. drove the 800 yesterday, it was not as fast as the brute but it felt better.
less noise. smother power. not bouncy...... and the 800 has all that nice storedge and the EFI cant hurt!
as for fun factor. i have fun on anything i ride. i can get on a lt50 and make it fun. just depends on how you look at it.... but all in all i take the 800EFI !
***!POLARIS FOR LIFE!***
Posted by: 4wheelerfred
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Originally posted by: Master400
They didn't come out with a Sportsman 700 until 2003! HA HA Polaris atvs are way overbuilt. That is why they weigh too much. They have one of the best rides on any atvs execpt for my Grizzly it has the best ride period. When are they going to stop getter bigger and bigger making atvs! Won't don't they just make a 1000 cc atv and make it cost over $10.000.00. HA HA Or you could just buy a new truck for that! Polaris Rangers cost more than some new trucks. I can't see how that is possible but they R.I.P people off selling ATVS. Either stupid or rich people buy the biggest and best just to show off.
i wanna know how the hell you got the idea that the 700 dident come out until 2003.... the 600 dident come out until 2003... i am tired of this polaris is no good sh!t. just shut up!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: 4wheelerfred
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Originally posted by: Master400
I agree I think 660cc is the biggest you can make for a single cylinder anymore and it vibrates too much. I still think the Grizzly 660 is every bit as powerful as the King Quad 700.Yamaha started the big bores period. . If the Grizzly was 700 cc and had fuel injection that would be a different story. That would be on equal ground then and still would win. Goodbye King Quad. I agree that the King Quad is a great atv with a slight delay in acceleration and bad shifting and reverse. It's pretty much the same size as my Grizzly 660 but my Grizzly 660 has 2 inches more ground clearance and holds 1 gallon more of gas. I wish my Grizzly 660 had fuel injection. But with every atv there is something about that is not perfect. No atv will ever be perfect but they will come close.
Yamaha started the big bores period.
Yamaha started the big bores period. ....WTF... thats not even tru not only stupid..
polaris sportsman was the first bigbor utility quad ever made... and dont give me no sh!t about how bad they are. ride what you got and dont tell other people there quad is no good cuz you dont like it.
Posted by: 4wheelerfred
what year did the sportsmans come out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!omg.....................
Posted by: 4wheelerfred
i dont care, i just hate when people say somthing totaly wrong.... lol
get a polaris they are realy nice for farm work...
Posted by: 4wheelerfred
DAMIT is right! get the kingquad!!!!! better on gas, more power, better handling, FUEL INJECTION!
looks better imo. and its faster!!!!! lol it dont metter but i thought i might mention it.
if you got the griz you would have to deal with 2 carbs, were on the Zuki you have no carb to deal with...
and the price isent to much difrent...... lol....
Posted by: 4wheelerfred
yes like the raptor, 5 velve technology 3 intake and 2 out...... kingquad is better...
Posted by: SkoolBoy
if you dont go with the girzzly id defently go with the bomb...defently will be the best machine made for a while
Posted by: spyder6
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Originally posted by: o4Bruin3inlift
i like the griz , its not 2 big or small it has plenty of power and ground clearance
he wants to upsize, not downsize
Posted by: spyder6
if hes going to trade in for a grizzly, why not just keep his 700?
Posted by: spyder6
im still not comprehending why he would want to trade in a Sportsman 700 for a griz 660
Posted by: spyder6
i can name a more powerfull, smoother running single cyl big bore, the Suzi King Quad, heheh
Posted by: spyder6
hes just jealous
Posted by: brutebadger
I have a little experience with both of these machines and they both have their quirks. The Polaris is definitely a nice ride maybe the best out there, but it is BIG. So, is it's price tag. That is the one thing that turns me from this machine. I don't know about reliabilty on these.
The Brute Force is definitely a fun, fast and powerful machine. Since I own a Kawi I read the kawi forums daily and these 750s have there reliability issues. They are a first year model and the tie rods are very weak and mud and water enter the air box just to name a few quirks that people are complaining about. They say the suspension is not up to par with other IRS quads either. I personally do not enjoy IRS so I own the Brute Force (Prairie in disguise) 650.
For the things that you have mentioned that you will be doing with your quad, I would personally recommend the Kawi Prairie 700. Reliablity is excellent and it will beat the Popo 800 on the dragstrip. The funnest ute quad on the market and has been for four years.
Just to relate, a friend of mine has an elk ranch and has to chase the elk around (herd cattle). He had the Brute 750 and couldn't stand it when he had to turn with the IRS, so now he has a Prairie. Try one out, I know you will like it. All the mags do to.
Can't tell you about the bomb 800.
Posted by: propnut
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If the Grizzly was 700 cc and had fuel injection that would be a different story.
The writing is on the wall for just that, a 700 EFI single. Just look at the 2006 Raptor. However, Yamaha is known for surprising everyone, how about a TDM 850 twin in a Grizz!?!?
All these years and the Grizz is still competitive and holding its value. Can't say that about all brands/models. If it didn't have a belt I would have one. I just may accept the belt and get one for my next ATV (keeping my current ride too)
And I agree with the Captain, Suzuki knowingly selling an ATV with a band-aided design flaw help me take the KQ off the list of possible ATVs when I bought.
Posted by: propnut
Just stopped by the local dealer, the bracket that holds my Kimpex handwarmer rheostat busted.
Anyway, he had one of 300 or so Bombardier 800s in the US. A yellow one.
If they offer the 3 year warranty (I think wise with a new model), it is definately worth a look.
Most everything I liked they kept (inboard discs, TTI, spar frame, visco-lock, rear fuel tank, etc), some of the stuff I didn't like has been improved like the small plastic racks are bigger and metal, excellent radial tires. Engine is a lot more compact than I thought it would be, the belt drive cover doesn't suck up as much of the floorboard as some I've seen on some other machines.
No test rides though.....He said production units will be available September or October in our area
He said this one (with a winch) would be around 9,100 USD, ouch
Posted by: Grizzman42
the brute isnt that good. its ok but the 800 sportsman is better.
Posted by: Grizzman42
because grizzly's are the smoothest riding quads i have ever rode. i had a choice to pick any quad in the world and i bought myself a grizzly. i took a ride on the brute and i hated it. took a ride on the sportsman...... not good. took a ride on the grizzly......love. its not about how much bigger they are because the grizzly could keep up with any of them. imo, i think the grizz is even better because its lighter and has higher ground clearance. but if u really really want a bigger machine then go with the sportsman 800.... its the next best thing to the grizz, haha.
Posted by: Grizzman42
wow, i hope u guys never meet eachother in person kuz u'd rip eachothers heads of. lol. does it really matter which quad was the first big bore to ever come out? i mean, its not like ur buying the first big bore ever made.... ur buying the new and improved versions. its all opinions. some people think sportsmans r great, and sum people think grizzlys are great, and sum people think that they both suk. its not a big deal u just gotta find out which quads u prefer by going out and looking at them or riding them.
Posted by: Toyeboy
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Originally posted by: spyder6
im still not comprehending why he would want to trade in a Sportsman 700 for a griz 660
The Grizzly is lighter and faster and better than an 01 700 Sportsman so that could be a reason why he'd want to trade.
Posted by: Toyeboy
Master400
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.....All of the twin cylinder big bore atvs should have a lot more power than my Grizzly but they don't just a little more power. My Grizzly will do anything any other big bore can do. Just try and let any company that makes atvs make a better single cylinder big bore. If the Grizzly had 2 cylinders it would smoke any utility quad. Because it's the best all around quad out there right now except for the Honda Rincon which only rides a little better but is not nearly as fast as the Grizzly 660.
The King Quad has a single cylinder engine as well as EFI and it is quite a bit more powerful than a Grizzly so....someone has made a more powerful single cylinder Big Bore. But I'm not bashing the Grizzly just stating the facts.
Posted by: Toyeboy
Bad shifting and reverse?.....The reverse problem is a dead issue a problem that was addressed and fixed a few months after the KQ was released and where'd you hear the KQ has bad shifting..I have no complaints about shifting, it works great.
Posted by: Toyeboy
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Originally posted by: RedGoblin
Yes, it is a dead issue. Suzuki recalled their old ECMs and put in different ones that put a limiter on the reverse, no matter how much you try to abuse it. So even if you have the out-of-date reverse parts, there's a limit on how much abuse you can put them through because of a new ECM. Of course Suzuki is not going to fix it until it breaks. Imagine you own a shop and someone comes to you and says "Do something about this because other people have had it break and I don't want mine to!" Master: if you're ever in central Illinois, I'll show you firsthand that your Grizzly doesn't have as much guts as a KingQuad. Don't get me wrong, a Grizz is a good machine, my friend has one. However, to say they're the same in power is a false claim. Bad shifting? What the hell are you talking about, seriously? As far as the Grizz holding an extra gallon of fuel; I ride with a Grizz as I stated earlier and he has to stop much more than I do for gas. EFI means good fuel mileage. It's almost on par with my old Rubicon.
I couldn't have said it better myself!! You rock RedGoblin!!
Posted by: Master400
I have a brand new Yamaha Grizzly 660 and it is awesome! If your dad buys a grizzly he'll love it. It was made to do anything from play to work. It will pull anything in reason. It will keep up with a Honda 400EX. It tops out about 70MPH. It rides awesome. It has everything you would want. The bigger big bores just cost more and are just a little stronger and faster but don't ride as smooth and aren't as light. It's 165 POUNDS lighter than Polaris Sportsman 800 and $1500.00 cheaper. It has the most ground clearance than any other big bore atv!
Posted by: Master400
They didn't come out with a Sportsman 700 until 2003! HA HA Polaris atvs are way overbuilt. That is why they weigh too much. They have one of the best rides on any atvs execpt for my Grizzly it has the best ride period. When are they going to stop getter bigger and bigger making atvs! Won't don't they just make a 1000 cc atv and make it cost over $10.000.00. HA HA Or you could just buy a new truck for that! Polaris Rangers cost more than some new trucks. I can't see how that is possible but they R.I.P people off selling ATVS. Either stupid or rich people buy the biggest and best just to show off.
Posted by: Master400
The Grizzly 660 has 11.8 inches of ground clearance any more and the center of gravity will be messed up. I've heard people putting special lift kits on their atvs that make the ground clearance almost double. A new Grizzly 660 will do 70 MPH then when the belt wears in a little it will do 66 - 68 MPH. I've heard that the Arctic Cat 650 is too big and too high. Is this the case with it. Is it very tippy feeling? Is it a twin cylinder? If it is than it should have a lot more torque than my Grizzly but that's not the case because Yamaha is the best. All of the twin cylinder big bore atvs should have a lot more power than my Grizzly but they don't just a little more power. My Grizzly will do anything any other big bore can do. Just try and let any company that makes atvs make a better single cylinder big bore. If the Grizzly had 2 cylinders it would smoke any utility quad. Because it's the best all around quad out there right now except for the Honda Rincon which only rides a little better but is not nearly as fast as the Grizzly 660.
Posted by: Master400
I agree I think 660cc is the biggest you can make for a single cylinder anymore and it vibrates too much. I still think the Grizzly 660 is every bit as powerful as the King Quad 700. Yamaha started the big bores period. If the Grizzly was 700 cc and had fuel injection that would be a different story. That would be on equal ground then and still would win. Goodbye King Quad. I agree that the King Quad is a great atv with a slight delay in acceleration and bad shifting and reverse. It's pretty much the same size as my Grizzly 660 but my Grizzly 660 has 2 inches more ground clearance and holds 1 gallon more of gas. I wish my Grizzly 660 had fuel injection. But with every atv there is something about that is not perfect. No atv will ever be perfect but they will come close.
Posted by: Master400
Yamaha was the first big bore with the Grizzly 600 in 1998. Anything over 500 cc is a big bore. The Grizzly 600 wasn't very good too much vibration and overheating. But the Grizzly 660 is on a much grander scale. There is no problems at all everthing is near perfect not too big or not too small.
Posted by: dunbarr
THE KING!
Posted by: dunbarr
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Originally posted by: spyder6
i can name a more powerfull, smoother running single cyl big bore, the Suzi King Quad, heheh
yes, da king
Posted by: dshoe
Dammit, gentlemen, with a thread like this, how am I ever going to decide what ATV to get?! I am in the market for a new big bore. I had narrowed my search to two choices: Yamaha Grizzly or Suzuki King Quad. I will not consider Polaris, Arctic Cat, Bombardier, or Honda for various reasons. I even wrote a post inquiring about the very issues discussed in this thread in another forum (Suzuki KQ vs. Yamaha Grizzly - Buying a New ATV - See excerpt below). But, I got one response back. Would anyone care to address some of the questions I presented on this thread? Red Goblin has already shed some light for me on the KQ reverse situation in a prior post, which I appreciate very much. Please see below:
"So, I have heard that Suzuki's fix to the 2005 reverse problem has been to limit the amount of available power while in reverse, and that a timer (60 sec.) has been implemented while using reverse in override mode. I have read where some have said that it is only a temporary solution and that Suzuki is working on a better, more permanent fix. Others have stated that the current fix is what will remain. I have been trying to find information on the Grizzly in such regard. I know that the Grizzly and the KQ are very similar machines, and they are the two that I have narrowed down in my search for a new big bore quad. Does the Grizzly operate in a similar fashion as to how the updated KQ currently works with respect to reverse? Is reverse in the Grizzly limited like it is in the KQ? Does the Grizzly have a timing feature like the KQ? In general, how does the reverse operation compare between the two machines? Which do you believe has the better, more reliable reverse system now? Thanks for any insight anyone would like to share."
Posted by: dshoe
Goblin:
MSRP cannot really be argued in this case. I live in California, where everything is over-priced with respect to other parts of the country. Dealers out here won't drop much below MSRP. However, I am originally from KY and I will be travelling back that way for the holidays. If I want a Grizzly, I can swing by Abernathy's and pick one up at over a thousand off of MSRP. I haven't been able to find any such deals on the KQ. That actually means that I could have a Grizz for a whole lot less than a KQ. Price is not a huge issue though, but being able to save multi-hundreds on price can tend to sway me from one bike to another. I see that you are in Illinois. Any good deals that you know of on the KQ back that way (a deal comparable to Abernathy's)?
dshoe
Posted by: dshoe
I hear you on the Bomb, but I would never consider one. Furthermore, one of my best friends from back home just bought a brand new 2005 Honda Rubicon yesterday. He also has a 2005 Kawasaki Brute Force 750, which he does not like and will be getting rid of now that he has the Rubicon. The dealer where he bought the Rubicon told him that under no circumstances whatsoever would they take a used Polaris, Arctic Cat, or Bomb ATV in on trade! Their reasoning is because each of those three brands do not hold up as well as other manufacturers (Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, Kawasaki), and that as a result they have a heck of a time trying to get rid of them. In other words, nobody wants a used Polaris, AC, or Bomb. That says a lot about quality and impression.
Posted by: o4Bruin3inlift
i like the griz , its not 2 big or small it has plenty of power and ground clearance
